found my first Z28

[black69]

Ok, I was not hunting a Z28 but stumbled across this near home in my search for a 67 eldo. Its all original paint with engine on the side, parts scattered everywhere.
The fact that its an RS, got me interested...to not just walk away.
curious if the tag looks ok, and did most put headers on them? I am new to Z28s.
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[Big Block Bill]

Tag looks good to me. RS car, nice find, worth the time, effort, & $$$, be a caretaker, someone has to "Save It" FWIW

Bill

[ANDY M]

Shorty spoiler on a 12B car. Kool. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[chevyman0429]

Nice find

[al8apex]

great find

I assume you bought it?

the location of the tailpipes is certainly interesting ... it looks like they would go right under the gas tank

[black69]

nope, did not buy it yet. It's pretty buried in the obscure country side, and not going anywhere.
I never got into these, as I always felt there were so many of them. But, as usual, I may be wrong, but thought they made 20K plus of these. It is a flat hood car, wish it had cowl induction.
I am going to check deeper into it, may have to take a loan, not tell wife, all that stuff...or just put a deposit on it to hold it for a long time.
thanks for all the input! Is a short spoiler correct?

[al8apex]

20,302 that Chevrolet built at the two assembly plants

out of 250k + 69 Camaros total of all flavors

unfortunately 90% have been cloned into Z28's over the years

REAL ones are always desirable

[revsitup]

Nice find!

[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al8apex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">great find

I assume you bought it?

the location of the tailpipes is certainly interesting ... it looks like they would go right under the gas tank</div></div>

Back in the mid 70's NASCAR stock cars ran their tail pipes right out the back like on this Z -- prevented drafting ... car behind could not take that heat directly into the radiator. The tail pipe &quot;look&quot; was evident on many muscle cars back then. TAZ

[bbbentley]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Is a short spoiler correct? </div></div>

Correct, short spoiler car would be a 12B car.

Many questions and pics I would like to get, if possible. What steering wheel?

[300deluxeL79]

hugger orange, white stripe RS Z...cool find

[black69]

Here is all I can offer for pics for now. It needs closer inspection for how solid it is.
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[Billohio]

would be interesting to see it after a bath

[Salvatore]

flat hood, short spoiler, 7000 rpm tach too?

[Kurt S]

The only unusual thing I see is the sharp paint line on the top of the firewall.

[1967Z28]

The grille stiffener along the top of the grille has white stripes on it.

[DW31S]

Don't dilly dally, go buy the Rally!!! If not for you, for someone here. Yes, headers were a common, virtually mandatory &quot;Day 2&quot; change/addition to those cars. Depending on what else you find when digging deeper into that one, and what the price is, make a concerted effort to own it. 20 thousand were built, 200 thousand exist, but an Orange, Rally Sport '69 Z/28 is hardly chopped liver.

[chevyman0429]

Yup in be all over that in a second

[Carleen]

If you calculate percentage, it was only 700 HO RS Z made

[TMagda]

Great find. Z/28's are always popular no matter how many were made. Flat hood, short spoiler, RS, great colors, don't wait.

Also, make sure any pics you post are not tagged with GPS coordinates or you might find it sold out from under you.

[black69]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only unusual thing I see is the sharp paint line on the top of the firewall. </div></div>

Yeah, I now see that above the tag. thanks.

[Tracker1]

Pretty much a home run for your first one <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif Get it!

[camaromb]

Looks like a nice solid RSZ, in hugger orange/white, one of my favorites. Likely a non-spoiler car, missing the decklid Camaro emblem.

[black69]

agreed, my black car I think has X80 on the tag, so this one probably should have the same. Will look for the missing emblem holes. It is missing the emblem on the grill, so who knows. Need to study it again. I spent most of my time looking at another car, and saw this late, on the way out. I was well on my way deep into the mopar dark side lately on the muscle cars, and the 'force = chevy', drew me back....when I saw this old space craft just sitting there....

[Carleen]

No D80 on 12B Trim Tag.
Buy it now Before its to late.

[92646]

I am not questioning if the trim tag is real but that is earliest X33 I have seen. In the past I have seen 12C being the earliest. I just learned something new.

[camaromb]

12B is ok for X codes, definitely the earliest they started. The rear spoiler looks properly painted, check for the different diameter torsion bars in the trunk for the decklid (spoiler equipped cars). The motor if it exists would most likely have the vin on the front pad for an early Dec. assembly.

[markinnaples]

As an aside, a Q for the experts here:
Do the DZ 302's have the VIN number anywhere else than on the front pad? I have one in my '68 that came from a '69 Z but they decked the block so those numbers are gone. Wasn't sure if they ever stamped them elsewhere on the block.

[ssl78]

The D80 on trim tag didnt start until much later in the year, so it wouldnt have it on that tag

[camaromb]

The early LA built '69 Z28s seemed to be more commonly vin stamped above the oil filter while the early Norwood built '69 Z28s were on the pad early in the production (3rd &amp; 4th quarter '68). By Jan '69 both plants seemed to move the vin stamp to the oil filter area although both plants seemed to use either location in the last months of '68 and into '69. The LA plant used the front pad for the vin stamp well into '69, at least as late as March of '69 some LA built cars have vin stamps on the front pad.

[bbbentley]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As an aside, a Q for the experts here:
Do the DZ 302's have the VIN number anywhere else than on the front pad? I have one in my '68 that came from a '69 Z but they decked the block so those numbers are gone. Wasn't sure if they ever stamped them elsewhere on the block. </div></div>

Depends when the car was made and where. Norwood cars started putting vins by the oil filter late December of 68. Los. cars switched back and forth through the year. A link to a CRG research of the topic: http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PartialVINs

Thanks Kurt Sonen and others who have compiled this information.

As far as your decked block, check the casting number to see if it may fall into the time frame of oil filter pad stamps. Then, look at the Los. as well time frames (a little trickier). Some will post how their car has an engine built 6 months before the car, I know that is possible, but at this point, post decking, what else do you have to go from?

[markinnaples]

Thanks for the info. I'd eventually like to change the 302 out for a small block with a blower and reunite the DZ (if possible) to the original Z.

[markinnaples]

Thanks bbbentley, I'll have to get under it with a mirror sometime just to see. As stated, changing it out for a blown small block is a long term goal, so I'm fine with it now.

[black69]

The orange car does have the 7K tach, and it has a clock too, and it also has a 4spd console with gauges that are white face, which throws me off (thought that would be black face?). My black car has the console, but no gauges on it, nor does it have the clock.
The orange car also has the black plastic w/woodgrain steering wheel with RS on it (whereas my L78 has SS on its).
Fyi.

[camaromb]

The 7k tach is correct for an early car, silver face console gauges are correct for Camaro. Black would be for Nova I believe. Clock is part of the console gauge package. The RS is correct for the steering wheel shroud on an RSZ, woodgrain would be correct for interior decor (pedal trim/pass. side grab handle) and included with deluxe interiors.

[ban617]

According to the paint on the rear spoiler &amp; deck lid it had factory spoilers /D80 ...Looks like a fantastic project to start with , at least it appears to be all together......

[black69]

thats good to hear. I think its a neat car and I am trying to move forward on it. It has a speed minder too, I guess that is rare. It's positioned at 90 <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[black69]

So its hard to buy a car without paperwork, as I think the Z28s out there without that are 50K(60?) restored cars. Is this still good sense to buy it if its solid for 25K-27K? Thats where I am at on it. I can see 20-30K in average joe restoration costs on it easily (not like supercarworkshop ofcourse), so then why buy it, unless one wants to have it restored the way they want to. If it has paperwork, its maybe alot higher than 50/60K restored, I am sure.

The options and the way the car is set up, are killing me, its just that lack of paperwork. Got closer and then 'my' reality set in, causing to pause for a while...maybe offer less than what I think it should be. Maybe the options 'found on a rough car' help in documenting it as a real Z besides just the tag? That is what I am thinking.


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[ssl78]

I see it also has a rear defroster

[92646]

The car is real just buy it and enjoy it or sell it to one of us.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Honestly, I wouldn't restore it. There's millions of restored cars out there. Just clean it up, put the engine in it, and drive the wheels off it. I guarantee a car that's rough around the edges is way more popular anywhere you go with it over a standard cookie cutter restoration.

[GTO_DON]

Is it me or are you making too much out of this. Looks like a real deal car for a great price. It should already be in your garage.

[GearheadSS]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it me or are you making too much out of this. Looks like a real deal car for a great price. It should already be in your garage. </div></div>

I agree. I would have already trailered home if I had found it.

Also, as far as restoration, I probably wouldn't touch it unless there were some major areas of concern. I'd wash it, get it running and drive it.

[black69]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GearheadSS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it me or are you making too much out of this. Looks like a real deal car for a great price. It should already be in your garage. </div></div>

I agree. I would have already trailered home if I had found it.

Also, as far as restoration, I probably wouldn't touch it unless there were some major areas of concern. I'd wash it, get it running and drive it. </div></div>

Ok, I have a lot of cars already, ALL because, everything I really like sometimes, I DO BUY (running total now is 9). This one, I have to do on a line of credit, so wanted to be sure. No more questions, I am good. Sounds like the lack of docs is an ok thing on this kind of car.

[x77-69z28]

Buy it! Or send me the guys number
Buddy

[Astock]

Leave it orig. paint, better then paperwork.

[camaromb]

It has had paint work, how much its hard to say with pictures. If it has original drivetrain then it is certainly a buy unless there are hidden rust issues underneath/trunk, etc.

[Jonesy]

So did you buy this yet?? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[DW31S]

Buy it or let one of us buy it and pay you a finder's fee. Get everything associated with it, and get it out of there (quick) and into safe storage; at that point you can decide what your intentions are.
Please don't let another good car fade away into the sunset like an old movie..........

[PLATINUM6BBL]

Don't clean it and save it as is for the barn finds section of #MCACN!