Sleeper Chassis Project

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[Xplantdad]

Hi Wayne...looks great!

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[300deluxeL79]

looks great wayne, that is some nice hardware up front <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

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Thanks Dave!

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[napa68]

Floorpan porn!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arrowsmith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I came across these photos and I'll share them before I show the rear end setup:

Here's the before under the car:

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad262/cscraba/Under%20before.jpg (http://s942.photobucket.com/user/cscraba/media/Under%20before.jpg.html)
In some places, the undercoating was over an inch thick.

The next two are photos of the bottom side after I cleaned it. It pretty much involved a propane torch, a couple of scrapers, a lot of Purple stuff and then some 3M grease remover (that stuff works great, but if you use it, make sure you have adequate ventilation!).

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad262/cscraba/Under%20during.jpg (http://s942.photobucket.com/user/cscraba/media/Under%20during.jpg.html)
http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad262/cscraba/Under%20during%202.jpg (http://s942.photobucket.com/user/cscraba/media/Under%20during%202.jpg.html)


Here's the &quot;after&quot; with the update subframe installed. I painted the bottom side in low gloss black. I think it came out nicely.

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad262/cscraba/Under%20After.jpg (http://s942.photobucket.com/user/cscraba/media/Under%20After.jpg.html)
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[Arrowsmith]

L-O-L!

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[earntaz]

Wayne -- what size tires will you be using? TAZ

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OK -- thanks ...

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[PeteLeathersac]

Awesome stuff Wayne and thanks for taking the time to share!
Any chance for some before pics of the whole car?
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~ Pete

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[scuncio]

Car looks great. I'm surprised how great the original paint looks, considering the car didn't look to have been stored in a friendly environment.

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[napa68]

Great work! Looks fantastic!

Love the theme!

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Thank You!

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[Zman1969]

Super Nice build Wayne! lets see the plant for this car! I love that color blue too

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[Xplantdad]

Great stuff Wayne...congrats on the book deal, too!

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[m22mike]

Very nice quaility on your brake line fabrication. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

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[earntaz]

That goes right along with &gt;&gt; There's never enough time to do it right the first time ... but there's enough time to do it over!!

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[Crossbreed383]

Have you actually done any measuring to see if a carbed LS will fit under a stock Nova hood?
I can tell you a dual plane Gm manifold, on a aluminum Ls3 ,mounted as low as possible( aftermarket shallow front sump area almost touching frame) , using custom engine mounts, along with a L88 drop base air cleaner just barely fit under hood.
There was zero room for any sort of spacer and you needed to run a very short air filter element as well

Amazingly, a BB Chevy in the same chassis, a RPM Airgap, with a 1/2 Nos plate and drop base filter, fits with room to spare!

Good luck

[earntaz]

Flat hoods RULE!!

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[Charley Lillard]

Wondering why you spent a week of evenings wire wheeling the subframe and then sent it off and had it blasted.

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[earntaz]

And I thought I was the only one to go crazy with a 4&quot; grinder, etc. TAZ <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[Crossbreed383]

I have built many a LS engine as well have installed them in Novas, Camaros, and Fox body Mustangs
If it LS engine related , i've probably dealt with it at some point
Any Questions feel free to ask

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[EZ Nova]

Wayne, don't do an LS swap. We have made quite a bit of power with the OEM dual plane intake, well over 700 and even hitting 800 with the dual plane OEM BBc intake.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/645188/650-hp-bbc#Post645188

Or get ahold of Mark Jones for one of his pump gas BBc. He too has been high 700Hp range.

Also, as for the rear suspension? Few bits:

Why the rear shackles? With my set=-up in the Nova, they all recommended &quot;roller-bearing slider&quot; over the shackle? But mine a Smiths Racecaft set up. And I would VERY STRONGLY recommend you move the bolt out of the top hole on the front. Nova's tend to want to flip over if you hit it with any real power and hook that car. I've been warned about NOT having wheelie bars and the lower hole with mine? Many say I might trash the front end since these cars hit pretty hard.

Are you, or have you put a bar in the car? Because even the LSX 454 will put this car well into the 9's? You will need a 10 point, 8.50 cage in that to be &quot;legal&quot;.

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[EZ Nova]

Wayne, I know what you mean. I know my '69 isn't as much as a sleeper as yours, with the Yenko stripes, 10 point cage, and 6+&quot; cowl hood right now (that will be changed). I did build a set of 15X3.5 rallys for it and keeping the rally idea and flat caps.

I too didn't want to drill any extra holes in the car. So for all my switches, I actually put them IN the ash tray. I have 2 fuel pumps, Nitrous ARM, elect, fan and water pump. I even had my gauges fold up UNDER the dash (water temp, oil press, oil temp all elect).

Now it will take some time getting the real sleep look back to the car. But I doubt that 850+Hp and collector mufflers will be very mellow once the car is started. Unlike what your trying to do, I want to see if a pretty much ALL GM equip car ad run in the 8's and still look &quot;stock-ish&quot;? I know we could get there with a single plane intake, but the dual is the challenge. Like I said in another post, we spent HOURS getting 3 more CFM out of the intake. Lets just say my &quot;074&quot; will out flow BB2+'s on the same bench.

Good luck

[DW31S]

Man, I love this build! Out of curiosity, what books have you written? Are they still available?

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[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Well done, I enjoy your build thread very much, helping me learn each day.

Ryan

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[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I like that design, very clean and super strong! I'm thinking of the brake assy's, does running the bolts for the backing plates / bearing retainers into the brake area create any interference? I know the factory runs them the other direction, although it looks cleaner your way.

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[quik9r]

What area of North America is the sleeper project?

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[Ryan1969Chevelle]

The step drill tip is excellent, they work great for stainless sheet metal as well.

Ryan

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A Canadian:-)

LIKE

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[markinnaples]

Great build, thanks for bringing us along.

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[300deluxeL79]

wayne, any thought to use the 11&quot; b-body backing plates and brakes with the frt discs you're using?

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[DW31S]

Seen Tim's car a couple times as I'm here in Maryland and follow a couple &quot;Stocker Buddies&quot;. I'm truly impressed with your ideas and how you implement them. Yes, the Stockers are in NO WAY stock!!! Can't wait to see more on the Novs build!

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[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Happy Long Weekend!!

I am really enjoying your build thread!!

Ryan

[Zman1969]

I have a question about your floor mats, what brand are they and are they very pliable? I bought a set of black repro and they are hard as a rock and have already split and looking for a good set that are rubbery. Great looking car BTW!!

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[olredalert]

----I actually bought a set of these for my 94 Caprice wagon. I just couldn't find a good looking set that I liked as much. I have used them pretty hard as the car is my winter beater (sometimes summer) and they haven't got brittle or changed color or even become worn. Quality product!......Bill S

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[Xplantdad]

Cool stuff. Hope your back feels better, Wayne!

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[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Fantastic build, we are watching closely!!!

Glad your back is better.

Ryan

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[markinnaples]

Looks great.

[cook_dw]

Great looking car. Did you post a for sale ad? Just curious what the for sale price will be.

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[earntaz]

What is the backspacing on the 15x8s ... TAZ

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[EZ Nova]

Wayne, did you ever get the REARS mount and installed? Like to see how this went and what it looks like as I have those tires for my '69 as well. I'm going to see how they fit with a OEM 15 X 8 I have.

Thanks John

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arrowsmith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was going to go with a 5-1/4-inch backspace wheel, but at the last minute, I chickened out and ordered 5-inch backspace wheels. NHRA Nova stockers with a stock width 12 bolt regularly run a 15X10 with a 5-1/2-inch backspace (and usually beat the crap out of the inner wheel well I'm assuming...:) ). And they run a larger tire than this. One way or another, it's tight. But you probably knew that ...L-O-L.

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Thanks Wayne ...

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[EZ Nova]

Wayne, if the 275 on YOUR 8&quot; wheels, how much space is on each side of the tire? (how tight are these tires??)

Also, I know most will laugh or figure what the f@#k, but how id YOU measure your offset? I have the same tire for my '69 and just wondering the best way to fit them?

Thanks, John

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[Ryan1969Chevelle]

I am a total amateur but my spread sheet tells no lies, each item, each fastener, shipping, tax, materials, their are many costs involved in each micro project within the project!!

I like that you shared the build cost:-) Straight up.

Ryan

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Thanks Ryan.

WS

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[earntaz]

Yep -- works good for pulling injectors on Detroit Diesels too ... LOL TAZ

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arrowsmith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nova has gone to a new home in the Motor City area! Sad to see it go. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

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OK -- chop-chop ... time to get started on the next masterpiece ... LOL ... TAZ

[Xplantdad]

Awesome Wayne! Like Taz, says...what's next up? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

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[earntaz]

A 555 or a short deck 582 BBC is rattling around in my head though -- can you say torque MONSTER??!! Solids will get the rattle OK ... TAZ

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

If you get bored I can send a few Oldsmobile parts to keep you from going stir crazy:-)

Ryan

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[EZ Nova]

Wayne, all pictures disappeared???

On the Nova rear, I have a question:

I'm going to be ordering some 35 spline stuff. I'm thinking about changing from the '69 axles to the 66 axles to narrow the rear a bit and gain some RIM clearance. What do you think? I just think it will balance off the wheel a bit more then the deep offset that you run (5+ inches in your case) and then maybe be able to run a OEM 8&quot; Vette rally??? Since I'm buying axles anyway, it might save me from also buy another set of rims with the deep offset?

THOUGHTS?

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[EZ Nova]

Ok thanks Wayne, will do. I have M-W in my &quot;good&quot; stuff, this one will be fine with Moser. It's only about 800Hp so we should be good.

Now my good stuff, we run M-W 40 spline gun-drilled axles, sheetmetal housing, Dewco center and Performance ceramic bearings throughout. Even CF brakes came from M-W.