Unrestored LS6 value?

[Ryan2727rr]

Hello everyone.

I have an unrestored 1970 LS6 Chevelle. The car has 23,305 original miles. Turbo 400 with shifter on the floor. Misty turquoise with black stripes and a black vinyl top. Am/fm 8 track. Cowl induction. The car is beautiful and documented with build sheet and window sticker. I am the 2nd owner and the car has been ours since 1986. The car is going to auction later this month and I'm trying to get a value for it. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

[Postsedan]

How about sharing pics.....we can better evaluate with pictures.

Sounds like a Great LS6 <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Bill Pritchard]

....and since both build sheet and window sticker are (unfortunately) easily replicated, it would be helpful to include good pictures of them. If you have some proof of having had possession of them since your ownership of the car (from 1986), that would be very helpful, since NO ONE was replicating either item in or prior to 1986.

[69VN]

Yes pics please!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Sal

[Charley Lillard]

Wow. What auction ? Pics please.

[427TJ]

Helluva first post!

[GTO_DON]

If the car is already slated for auction then don't you already know it's value?

[SS427]

Misty Turquoise is a rare color especially on LS6's. I think I have a few in my data base including the LS6 convertible I restored as well as another well known convert and a few coupes. However there is a smaller audience who are interested in that color so that may hurt a little though both converts and at least one coupe have brought good money in the past. If the car is going to Indy there are a lot of LS6'S will be there so that could also hurt a little. I will be there looking for LS6 cars for a couple of clients. I would be very interested in learning more about the car before I go if you wouldn't mind sending me some information and photos. Condition, paperwork and born with drivetrain mean everything and this car could do quite well. What plant is it from and what is the production date?

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Pritchard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....and since both build sheet and window sticker are (unfortunately) easily replicated, it would be helpful to include good pictures of them. If you have some proof of having had possession of them since your ownership of the car (from 1986), that would be very helpful, since NO ONE was replicating either item in or prior to 1986. </div></div>

According to the intro to a 1983 article in Super Chevy , Bill Petriko of Triple A Enterprises already was repopping window stickers.. &quot;For years,, he has been selling exact reproduction window stickers for Chevrolets, Corvettes, Novas, Chevelles, Camaros and other models.&quot;

So, it was being done WAY before 1986.

[SS427]

My 68 SS427 had a repop window sticker that came from TAE on it when I bought the car in 1981.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However there is a smaller audience who are interested in that color so that may hurt a little though both converts and at least one coupe have brought good money in the past. </div></div>

Wow, really? You expect colors like baby crap brown or army drab green to take a hit compared to black or red, but Misty Turquoise is such a pretty and unusual color. Not doubting you at all, but that just shocks me.

[SS427]

I personally like Misty Turquoise but I am an exception to the rule as I like uncommon colors. I get asked every day to locate LS6's for people and it is always Black, Red and Fathom Blue, then maybe Cortez Silver and in that order. Army Drab Green (Forrest Green) is usually near the bottom of the request list. There are no browns.

[mockingbird812]

If anyone knows the sentiments of LS6 market, it is Rick Nelson. He has probably been associated with more transactions surrounding the restorations/sales/searches of these cars than ANYONE!

[markinnaples]

So, I searched Misty Turquoise and it appears so different in the pics that cam up. Is it the more blue or the more green color? Would love to see pics of the LS6 in question here.

[SS427]

Thank you for the compliments Sam but I am just a little fish in the big pond. There are a lot of people more knowledgeable than I am, I just have a complete passion for these cars and try to learn something new every day. A lot of what I learned in the early years was thanks to Brian Edwards, Jerry Skidmore and Chris White in addition to LOTS of research since 1982. Credit where credit is due.

Misty Turquoise is very hard to photograph and show the exact colors. Attached I have a before and after shot of the LS6 convert. They are the exact same color thanks to Tom Scholtz but look completely different in the photos. The before shot is more accurate due to the lighting.

[Mr70]

Welcome Ryan
Is your Dad Scott?..If so I haven't talked to him for almost 20 years now.
I know your car well &amp; have a ton of notes on it.I recall an Onion farmer bought this car new from LUBY,and had a small mishap with it affecting the paint.Also,this car didn't come originally with a Vinyl top from the factory,and was added later on.
I have a few older pictures,(they look much lighter on here then in person) saved from when I looked at it,as well as copies of the original paper work too.I can post copies of the buildsheet &amp; window sticker for you,(both either with or w/o the VIN # shown for privacy issues),if you want me to.
Great Misty T LS-6 and wish you the best of luck @ auction.You should do very well.

Rick

[Bill Pritchard]

My bad on the repro window stickers <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/blush.gif and I should know, because I bought Triple A repros for two different cars prior to 1986 <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If anyone knows the sentiments of LS6 market, it is Rick Nelson. He has probably been associated with more transactions surrounding the restorations/sales/searches of these cars than ANYONE! </div></div>

Oh, I believe him completely. That's why I'm shocked. I personally like MT, but I'm apparently in the minority.

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh, I believe him completely. That's why I'm shocked. I personally like MT, but I'm apparently in the minority. </div></div>

You, me and a few others Tony. Buyers all seem to want Black, Red, Blue or Silver. If I had a nickel for every person that went &quot;yuck&quot; when I told them I was restoring a Misty Turquoise Chevelle. That is until they saw it in person, then they accepted it but still did not want to own one. I would take MT in a heartbeat over Red or Black. No offense to those owners.

[njsteve]

I love that turquoise color! That is amazing and much better than any plain old red, black, or blue.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love that turquoise color! That is amazing and much better than any plain old red, black, or blue. </div></div>

I've owned my share of 68-70 B-body Mopars. In fact, I've owned my share and about ten other people's share, but of all the dozens of those cars that have passed through my hands, I think my Q5 Turquoise 69 Charger R/T was hands-down the prettiest. White top, white gut, white stripe. Black is generally my number one choice on high-performance stuff, but I love those colors on the &quot;turquoise&quot; end of the chart.

[DW31S]

Kinda reminds me of my first '69 Camaro in Azure Turquoise. I bet I haven't seen 20 of them since they were new. And I saw a Turquoise/white Mopar a few years ago and it was stunning. Good luck with the sale!

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

I love the less popular colours, MT is sexy!!

Ryan

[chevelleheart]

Good luck with the sale,...looks like a helluva car!

[flyingn]

Thats a beautiful color I think. I would would MUCH rather own a special color combo car then the usual 'blah' colors any day

[Ryan2727rr]

Thank you Rick. Scott is my father and yes the car was found on an onion Farm. The car is going on auction on May 28th in Denver at the National western complex. Maybe we'll see you there.

[RPOLS3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan2727rr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The car is going on auction on May 28th in Denver at the National western complex. Maybe we'll see you there. </div></div>

Link to auction house (http://www.pacificauction.com/the-denver-classic-may-28-2016/)

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Misty Turquoise is a rare color especially on LS6's. I think I have a few in my data base including the LS6 convertible I restored as well as another well known convert and a few coupes. However there is a smaller audience who are interested in that color so that may hurt a little though both converts and at least one coupe have brought good money in the past. If the car is going to Indy there are a lot of LS6'S will be there so that could also hurt a little. I will be there looking for LS6 cars for a couple of clients. I would be very interested in learning more about the car before I go if you wouldn't mind sending me some information and photos. Condition, paperwork and born with drivetrain mean everything and this car could do quite well. What plant is it from and what is the production date? </div></div>

You restored this one for Milt Robson Rick?

http://www.rmsothebys.com/lots/lot.cfm?SaleCode=MR10&amp;CarID=r122

[Tracker1]

Same as 1970 Pontiac Crystal Turquoise I believe:
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-3497-43196-crystaljudge.jpg

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You restored this one for Milt Robson Rick?
</div></div>

No Des, I restored this one. Black interior as opposed to white in Milt's old car.

[Ryan2727rr]

The build sheet and window sticker both say the car was built with a vinyl top. I'm trying to add photos, but it keeps saying they're too large.

[Ryan2727rr]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-19966-43200-img_2022.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-19966-43201-img_2008.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-19966-43202-img_2014.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-19966-43203-r1_5.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-19966-43205-r1_21.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-19966-43207-img_1839.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-19966-43208-img_1951.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-19966-43209-img_1952.jpg

[Ryan2727rr]

I finally got some pictures to work. I'll post more later. Possibly to include a picture of the build sheet and window sticker.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Same as 1970 Pontiac Crystal Turquoise I believe:
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-3497-43196-crystaljudge.jpg
</div></div>

Seriously, how does someone not love that?

[olredalert]

----Ryan,,,I wish you the best of luck with your fantastic LS6. With coverage like you are getting here and elsewhere it may work out for you in Denver, but (my own opinion) you would have been guaranteed a better outcome At Dana's Indy auction. Ill be keeping a good thought for you in any event!.....Bill S

[1969l78]

What is an estimated value of this chevelle?

[Damien]

Very nice Ryan. GLWS. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Ryan2727rr]

Sure! Luckily, fully optioned LS6's with 23,000 original miles go up for auction every other week. So... knowing the value is super obvious.

[Postsedan]

Beautiful Ryan....GLWS.

Dan

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan2727rr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The build sheet and window sticker both say the car was built with a vinyl top. I'm trying to add photos, but it keeps saying they're too large. </div></div>

Here's copies of your paperwork.I don't believe it came with a vinyl top from the factory based on these as you can see.
As well as your dad mentioned it to me back then too.
You can also tell by the way the V/top 1/4 molding does not go back far enough and stops short by the rear window corners.
The B in box #44 stands for stripes~BLACK.Box #26 would show the Convt. or Vinyl top color,if any.
Also the rear defogger &amp; vent it has now is incorrect and was added later on too.
This car was heavily optioned and stickered out @ 5K when new.That was a lot compared to others back then.
Your dad also mentioned he was the 3rd owner to me back then.
Do you have the actual colored original window sticker today?..Your dad explained to me back then on how he only had a Xeroxed copy,as the original owner still had it and would not give it up.
I covered up your VIN# for privacy.

[BLACKLS5]

Sweet car. I think the Black vinyl top actually helps with this color in my opinion. I'm not sure how it will effect it's value though. GLWS,I hope it finds an appreciative new owner.

[RS_COPO_Canuck]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You restored this one for Milt Robson Rick?
</div></div>

No Des, I restored this one. Black interior as opposed to white in Milt's old car. </div></div>

I have a house just like that one....and had a car exactly like that one :^)....or should it be :^(

[SS427]

You should have kept it Jim. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Ryan2727rr]

Happy bidding!

[Mr70]

Just listed on their auction site.They're showing it's VIN# 136370K166977.
https://www.proxibid.com/aspr/Chevrolet-...sp?lid=30175197 (https://www.proxibid.com/aspr/Chevrolet-SS-LS-6-Chevelle-Malibu-1970-Misty-Turquoise/30175197/LotDetail.asp?lid=30175197)

[Mr70]

Pictures for those that asked.

[Mr70]

Position of the rear window corner of the vinyl top molding,for those that asked.

[firstgenaddict]

Correct lugnuts... extremely difficult to obtain.

[Mr70]

True,but on wrong tire size.

[Charley Lillard]

Is that a orig. engine pad stamping ?

[Mr70]

Charley
That's the TH400 showing the VIN stamping,not the engine pad
Other then the T0209CRR engine pad stamping,I've yet to see any more of it.

[Charley Lillard]

I was asking about the pic of the CRR engine stamping

[rts]

That engine pad stamping is original?????

[ne70ss]

Engine stamp looks good.

[Big Block Bill]

I thought only the Arlington Texas built Cars had the : &quot;Dual, Dual exhaust Typo on the ORIGINAL window stickers?

Bill

[GTO_DON]

I'm not the expert some of you guys are but that engine stamp looks suspect to me.

[ssl78396]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is that a orig. engine pad stamping ? </div></div>
Here's as real as it gets! Compare..

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-7717-43995-img_3098.jpg

[Mr70]

Misty T. Tona looks legit from that photo to me,but I've asked em to show a close up of the metal graining as well as the VIN# stamped next to it further down.
And have one certain unique characteristic to it too.So far no reply.
The engines VIN# font should match identically to that on the TH400.
Original short style lugnuts are on that wheel too.

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Big Block Bill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought only the Arlington Texas built Cars had the : &quot;Dual, Dual exhaust Typo on the ORIGINAL window stickers?

Bill </div></div>

It wasn't plant specific.
Seen many Dual Dual on KC built &amp; other plants cars.And single Dual on Arlington cars too.

[ZAPPER68]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You restored this one for Milt Robson Rick?
</div></div>

No Des, I restored this one. Black interior as opposed to white in Milt's old car. </div></div>

Hi Rick, is that the same car you had in your garage years ago when you met me at the MSP airport?

[SS427]

Yes sir.

[scott s]

Iam confused is the car being auctioned of on line ?? or is denver car auction a auctual live auction?thanks

[Mr70]

It's being auctioned off in person in Denver starting at noon central time tomorrow..
The opening bid they will start it at is whatever the online amount is when that will close at 11:59AM tomorrow.
If nobody bids anything over that final online amount,then the online High bidder is the winner.
If somebody offers more then the online amount in Denver tomorrow,then they win.
At least that's how I'm reading it.

[Charley Lillard]

Do all the LS6 experts think that is the orig. engine pad stamp ?

[Mr70]

I've asked repeatedly for a closer up photo as well as the VIN# stamped further down on it.
So far no reply back,which kinda raises a red flag for me.
Now @ 59K..

[1969l78]

No sale?

[firstgenaddict]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Pritchard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....and since both build sheet and window sticker are (unfortunately) easily replicated, it would be helpful to include good pictures of them. If you have some proof of having had possession of them since your ownership of the car (from 1986), that would be very helpful, since NO ONE was replicating either item in or prior to 1986. </div></div>

According to the intro to a 1983 article in Super Chevy , Bill Petriko of Triple A Enterprises already was repopping window stickers.. &quot;For years,, he has been selling exact reproduction window stickers for Chevrolets, Corvettes, Novas, Chevelles, Camaros and other models.&quot;

So, it was being done WAY before 1986. </div></div>

FWIW rarely do I speak in absolutes however I have never seen a correct reproduction 1969 Camaro window sticker. The ECL codes are NEVER correct!

[SuperNovaSS]

How do you know that you have seen one and didn't know it?


Jason

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969l78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No sale? </div></div>
It was bid up to 62K before the auction started on the internet.When it went live afterwards,it was bid up to 120K with reserve not being met.

The orange Superbird was bid live to 105K with reserve not being met.
The black '66 Chevy II L-79 was bid live to 60K with reserve not being met.

[1969l78]

Thanks for the info sir!