67 - 68 chevy II restorer

[Pusher_Man]

i have one of the 6 (ish) 67 L79 Chevy II's made and was curious who y'all think are some of the best restorers are for maybe this car? we are leaning on doing a lot of it ourselves but in case we decide to go another route I'm wondering who you would send it off to if you were in my shoes.

the reason i put 68 in the title is bc there are many engine similarities with a 68, as these cars appear to be a sort of pre-run for the 68 cars.

many thanks in advance.

kasey

[WILMASBOYL78]

Message sent...

Tom

[cook_dw]

What dealership did this car sell at? I know of one local that sold in Nashville, TN.

[Pusher_Man]

tom, i never got anything.

[Pusher_Man]

darrell, thats cool you're in TN. I'm not far from the border. i'll have to pull the pop but I'm pretty sure its a NC car. original owner still alive...how cool is that?

[Pusher_Man]

sorry, tom, got your email. i was looking in the pm box.

thanks

[cook_dw]

Very cool. What part of Kentucky? Im 30 mins from Scottsville going up HWY 231.

[300deluxeL79]

pictures? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gif

[Pusher_Man]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very cool. What part of Kentucky? Im 30 mins from Scottsville going up HWY 231. </div></div>


Just north of bg. I'd say we are about a little over an hour away from each other. Pretty cool!

We'll have to meet up sometime at a show or something, or better yet SCR when it's back at the corvette museum this year <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Pusher_Man]

I'm new enough around here I don't know how to post pics. Can someone help a brother out?

Can u post from a newer iPhone? If so please let me know how. Many thanks.

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher_Man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very cool. What part of Kentucky? Im 30 mins from Scottsville going up HWY 231. </div></div>


Just north of bg. I'd say we are about a little over an hour away from each other. Pretty cool!

We'll have to meet up sometime at a show or something, or better yet SCR when it's back at the corvette museum this year <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div>

I am planning on being there on Friday at the track. As for the pics send them to me and Ill post them up. Ill pm you my phone # so you can text them to me if that makes it easier.

[Pusher_Man]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-19434-45264-img_7266.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-19434-45265-img_7267.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-19434-45266-img_7268.jpg

hopefully these pics show up.

the car is very, very solid with basically no rust and the floors are awesome. not sure, but it might be the only blue/blue one they made.

[Pusher_Man]

oh, and many thanks to darrell for helping me to figure out that you have to attach the pics from a computer instead of an iphone. thanks again, darrell.

[earntaz]

Now that is a pretty &quot;restofication&quot; ... TAZ <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gif

[Pusher_Man]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now that is a pretty &quot;restofication&quot; ... TAZ <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gif </div></div>

Taz, I had no idea what u meant so I had to go and Google it!

Thanks <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[cook_dw]

Nice II.. What's the build date?

[Pusher_Man]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice II.. What's the build date? </div></div>

07A

I believe all of them were very late builds. Very interesting cars to say the least, with all their unique features.

[Pusher_Man]

Scarborough Chevrolet

Statesville, NC

[cook_dw]

Any paperwork? Would like to compare it to the one here locally.

[Jonesy]

Wow, nice car you got there. I always liked the 67's

[novadude]

I wish someone had the internal GM documentation showing why they ever built a handful of cars so late in the model year. If you think of the reality of production, there were a lot of engineering changes (Bills of material, etc) that had to happen to put this engine in a platform that was on it's way out of production. There were significant differences from the '66 Nova L79, and even the L79 used in other '67 Chevelles / Corvettes. You gotta wonder WHY, since they knew that the '68 Nova was going to be nothing like the '67.

Seems like a big mystery as to why this handful of cars was ever produced.

[Pusher_Man]

have the original owners manual, options manual, and a couple more things, but this is the main stuff...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-19434-45308-img_5790.jpg
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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-19434-45312-img_5805.jpg

[Big Block Bill]

I always Loved the ZI engine code and Block, so unique to the build. I had a customer that bought a Rat 1962 Corvette that had an original 1966 ZI 327 / 350 Chevy II engine in it and I was always amazed what GM did to install that in a Chevy II chassis (Recessed oil filter / front sump oil pan, ect) What an Engine! (as one a machinist I used once said: (&quot;Motors are Electric&quot;)

Bill

[cook_dw]

Do I see an error on the pop? P8H30.?. Does it have the original trans? Also does the car still have its original flywheel &amp; starter?

[earntaz]

What an Engine! (as one a machinist I used once said: (&quot;Motors are Electric&quot;) I guess that machinist has no knowledge of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, motorcycles, etc. This argument has gone on for eons -- to each their own. TAZ

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[Big Block Bill]

&quot;Motor&quot; has a better &quot;Ring&quot; to it and just sounds better IMHO

Bill

[Paul_S]

Nice car. Would like to see it all back to correct/original. Hope you have the original hood.

I believe from the classic definitions, an engine can be a motor but a motor can't be an engine.


Paul

[earntaz]

Bill &amp; Paul -- good points ... but I like calling an engine a motor just to drive the purist up the wall and start a debate with them that they will wind up losing. TAZ <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[1967Z28]

Seems like there should not be a Saginaw behind a '67 L79. The '68 L79 Chevy II/Nova came with a Muncie.

[cook_dw]

No the other 67 Chevy II's I'm aware of got the Saginaw.

[John Brown]

Documented 67 L79

[John Brown]

Picture in trans in car. Doesn't look like any Muncie I've ever seen. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[John Brown]

Engine picture from same car.

[earntaz]

Saginaw

[1967Z28]

Never knew that about those cars.

[67ssonly]

Most 67 were Saginaw trans

[PeteLeathersac]

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Are you saying Muncies and Sag's were both supplied w/ the dozen or so/whatever actual '67 L79 production was?
Also, is it known specifically that all '67 L79 production were 2-Dr. Hardtops or any 2-Dr. Sedans possibly built/existing?
Lastly, what of any '67 Acadian L79 cars...built/not/body style/known?
Cool subject!
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Pusher_Man]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do I see an error on the pop? P8H30.?. Does it have the original trans? Also does the car still have its original flywheel &amp; starter? </div></div>

sorry, I've been busy the last couple days...

yep darrell, that prolly is an error on the pop. its actually R8 instead of P8. i believe that R indicates Saginaw, which is correct. All 6ish of these cars came with saginaw trannies instead of muncies for 67.

the 8 would mean 68, which could be an error. obviously you would think it is an error since its a 67 car, but i wouldn't rule anything out with these cars bc they are so unique that theres not much precedent for them.

with this car being a 7A car, it is very late in the model year, and i guess the possibility could exist for gm to be getting ready for the 68 model year. who knows???

honestly, i don't know if the car has the original trans in it. it probably doesn't. however, it does have a saginaw in it. I'm still somewhat new to the hobby and work like a maniac and havent taken the time to get the numbers off the trans.

[Pusher_Man]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Paul_S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice car. Would like to see it all back to correct/original. Hope you have the original hood.


Paul </div></div>

thanks for the complement, paul. we do plan on restoring the car fairly soon. its a really solid car so the frame-off shouldn't be nearly as involved as most cars would be. yes, the car came with a correct hood painted the same color, so it might be the original, but who knows?

by the way, my buddy hates the cowl hood on this car <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

he can't wait to see the flat one back on it.

[cook_dw]

The error I was referring to was the 8 instead of being 7. Saginaw is correct for the L79. But again as previously mentioned many of the 67 SS cars were Saginaw trans equipped.. Also find it intetesting that the FQ was the only diff that was available to the L79 to my knowledge..

[Pusher_Man]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-

Are you saying Muncies and Sag's were both supplied w/ the dozen or so/whatever actual '67 L79 production was?
Also, is it known specifically that all '67 L79 production were 2-Dr. Hardtops or any 2-Dr. Sedans possibly built/existing?
Lastly, what of any '67 Acadian L79 cars...built/not/body style/known?
Cool subject!
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

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only saginaws were used in them, which adds to their uniqueness.

all of the L79 Chevy II's were Nova SS cars.

yes, very cool subject. from what all I've researched they were all:


Nova SS cars

cast iron intake (vs aluminum in 66)

quadrajet carb (vs holley in 66)

325hp (vs 350hp in 66)

open air element (vs double snorkel in 66)

saginaw 4 speed trans

may or later builds

FQ coded only rears, which is 3.07 12-bolt open (GM literally only made that rear for this car)


these cars are so interesting (and not because i have one), but because they are like an in between model of their own...stuck between a 66 look and a 68 engine with the open air cleaner, carb, and cast intake, but yet with a diff trans and unique rear. they almost appear to be an experiment or something crazy. it used to be supposed that the 6 engines were leftover blocks from 66, but then they didn't make the cars until the end of the model year so who knows about that? although they might have been. i'd love to know the cast date of an original engine car, to see if it follows the normal rules of within 2 or 3 months or so, or if it literally was leftover from the 66 ones.

mine unfortunately doesn't have its original block. it does have a 68 CE block. i tracked down the original owner from the pop and he told me a service station messed a valve cover up or something and caused the oil to leak out and locked the engine up. he said they then got a replacement for it. man, it is always the coolest thing in the world to talk to an original owner of any classic car. always a big treat of mine.

[Pusher_Man]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John Brown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Engine picture from same car. </div></div>

oh, and john, thanks a lot for posting pics of that car. i believe its the same one I've seen on the nova site before, along with a yellow car that is supposedly documented as well.

where did you see that car at?

[67 Nova Boy]

67 Axle codes...

1967

BA - 3.08 open 10-bolt
BC - 3.36 open 10-bolt
BE - 3.08 posi 10-bolt
BF - 3.36 posi 10-bolt
BG - 3.55 posi 10-bolt
BH - 3.55 open
BQ - 3.31 open 12-bolt (327 Special Hi-Per - A/C)
BR - 3.07 posi 12-bolt
BS - 3.31 posi 12-bolt
BT - 3.07 open 12-bolt (metallic brakes)
BU - 3.07 posi 12-bolt (metallic brakes)
BV - 3.31 open 12-bolt (metallic brakes)
BW - 3.31 posi 12-bolt (metallic brakes)
FI - 3.55 open 12-bolt (close ratio 4 speed)
FJ - 3.55 open 12-bolt (metallic brakes)
FK - 3.55 posi 12-bolt (metallic brakes)
FL - 3.55 posi 12-bolt
FM - 3.73 open
FN - 3.73 open (metallic brakes)
FO - 3.73 posi (metallic brakes)
FP - 3.73 posi
FQ - 3.07 open 12-bolt (327 Special Hi-Per)

[Pusher_Man]

^^^^ yep, thanks for posting that.

thats how my car was discovered...by its rear code. the guy i bought it from was looking for a solid 67 nova ss to tub out and hot rod. thankfully he stopped before he got started and looked up the rear and then the pop engine code and then about crapped his pants. thats a pretty cool story by itself.

[67 Nova Boy]

These are Delco Harrison Radiator books that show the 67 Nova 327/325HP... so just another clue that they were real deal cars. Does your car have the original Radiator with finger guard?

Dave
67 Nova Boy

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-8651-45424-img_4076.jpg
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[67 Nova Boy]

Also...here is a 67 dealer order form 5/4/67 that does not show any 325/HP to order so when was this on a dealer order form if ever and how did they know there was any to order? Did they just come in that way and was ordered by salesmen or special order?

Dave
67 Nova Boy

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-8651-45430-img_3232.jpg
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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-8651-45435-img_3237.jpg
Here is a 66 L79 327/350HP on a 66 dealer order form.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-8651-45436-img_3231.jpg

[John Brown]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher_Man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John Brown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Engine picture from same car. </div></div>

oh, and john, thanks a lot for posting pics of that car. i believe its the same one I've seen on the nova site before, along with a yellow car that is supposedly documented as well.

where did you see that car at? </div></div>

I've never seen the car in person. Had a friend send me the pictures back in 2009 cause he thought I would find them interesting.

[Salvatore]

great info NovaBoy.

[WILMASBOYL78]

If you look closely at the radiator listings you will see the 396/325hp listed for the 1968 Nova...that engine was never available in the Nova.

wilma

[cook_dw]

Jack Duer's old L79. (Same car as above). Pretty sure I remember someone saying Jack sold his car to Dan Miller which at the time was the only other known L79.

http://chevynova.com/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=2976


Kasey, are you driving the Chevy II down to the SCR? I would like to take a look at it if you do.

[67 Nova Boy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you look closely at the radiator listings you will see the 396/325hp listed for the 1968 Nova...that engine was never available in the Nova.

wilma </div></div>

Tom,

Do you think the 396/325HP was originally available and then deleted by GM?

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[67 Nova Boy]

Dan Millers car at the 2007 NNN

Dave
67 Nova Boy

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w7/busbymoran/DSC06367.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/busbymoran/media/DSC06367.jpg.html)

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w7/busbymoran/DSC06368.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/busbymoran/media/DSC06368.jpg.html)

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http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w7/busbymoran/DSC06371.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/busbymoran/media/DSC06371.jpg.html)

Jacks car and another 67 Nova 327/275HP with factory Disc brakes, A/C next to it.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-8651-45439-mc206720ter20l79206.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-8651-45440-mc206720ter20l792010.jpg

Pictures I have of Jacks car....
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/06/full-8651-45441-dsc01131.jpg
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[67 Nova Boy]

Not all 67 L79's were SS cars...Dan Millers was not an SS but a 2dr coupe. Pictures of Dan's car is in above post.

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[cook_dw]

Here is a question that I have gotten conflicting answers on.. Which balancer did the 67 L79 get the big or small? I see Jack's as being large. Also which manual trans flywheel did they receive?

[novadude]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a question that I have gotten conflicting answers on.. Which balancer did the 67 L79 get the big or small? I see Jack's as being large. Also which manual trans flywheel did they receive? </div></div>

Every 64-67 V8 Chevy II got a 153 tooth flywheel and 10.4&quot; clutch. There was no 11&quot; clutch in the early Chevy IIs. There was only one bellhousing for V8 Chevy IIs (P/N ending in '309').

[cook_dw]

I realize they only came with the smaller clutch..

Edit: Nevermind anwsered my own question.


Still would like to know about the balancer..