New Yenko Owner needing some help!

[rcc]

I'm a Newbie to the site. I'm also the owner of a Forest Green 1970 Yenko Deuce. It's VIN: 114270W349789. I recently acquired the car from my good friend, Andy Distad. I just don't know much about the car or its restoration. I did note that in March 1975, Mark F. Mc Donald (IL)was the owner of the car, then it was purchased by Bill Ulseth (TN) on an unknown date, then Mick Price (IL) on an unknown date, then Joe Grom (KY)in March 2002. Before 1975 and after 2002, at least until Andy bought the car, are big blanks!

On March 16, 2015, there is a note from Marlin R Spotts Jr. commending an individual on his description of the car in an eBay listing. It states, "The originality of the engine and trans along with the rear end gears matches the information in my Yenko Deuce Registry".

If one (or more) of the members has any information about my car, or knows anything about its restoration, could I please hear from you?!

ANY help, input or direction to follow in acquiring more information would be greatly appreciated.

Rick

[earntaz]

Rick -- I know the car well. I had a Cortez Silver Yenko Deuce at the same time. Mark was a good friend of mine in Rantoul, Il who passed way too soon. His Mom and Dad had the car -- how long I do not know ... I tried a number of years ago to chase down the green Deuce. I do know that it had damage to the drivers door and Mark "blew up" the engine at one time. As far as I can remember, the engine was rebuilt by Dave Kohler (Kohler Fuel Injection) in Urbana, Il. This was around late 70s early 80s. I think the engine at that time was a 377ci. If the original block was used -- the numbers will match up.

I don't know what other info I may be able to provide but if you have any other Qs -- by all means, contact me. Craig <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[Xplantdad]

I think the most recent current owner was J. Jarvis?

See HERE (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/633062/1)

[rcc]

Thanks guys for the info. I did find Jamie's description of the car and sent off a PM. Interesting sidenote: I opened the ashtray this morning and found three time slips. Apparently, Jamie took the car out to Beech Bend Raceway in August of last year. The car turned 12.7 at 111 MPH! Not bad for a 45 year old car!

Rick

[Xplantdad]

Cool! I believe that there is video of the car running on this site from that event. I can post it when I get home if you'd like.

[rcc]

Hey Bruce;

Many Thanks--I would love to see the video! It's about 105 here in southern Utah. I took the Deuce out for its inaugural spin--no problems. It can still light em up! Temp reached about 180-185 and then stabilized. Oil pressure stayed around 55-60 lbs. Great shakeout after a full Winter off.

[Xplantdad]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Bruce;

Many Thanks--I would love to see the video! It's about 105 here in southern Utah. I took the Deuce out for its inaugural spin--no problems. It can still light em up! Temp reached about 180-185 and then stabilized. Oil pressure stayed around 55-60 lbs. Great shakeout after a full Winter off. </div></div>

Hi Rick,

The temp is about the same here <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

I will provide the links when I get home...if Doug or someone else doesn't do it before I can get it for you! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Congrats on the purchase!

Interesting that the Yenko Inventory Sheet shows W. R. Austin Chev in CT as the selling dealer. I suspect that if Mark in IL had the car in the mid '70's that perhaps it was dealer transferred to Rodgers Chev in Rantoul, IL?

[earntaz]

A point just in your original post has me thinking. Mark claimed that Dave put together a 377 -- if I still remember my SBC days, that would be a 400 block with a 350 crank (or there abouts). Your post indicates the block is original to the car -- if that is so, I'm wondering if it is in fact a 383 using the original block. I will try and contact Dave Kohler and see if he remembers what he built. We all have slept since then -- LOL Craig

[rcc]

I only picked up on the possible originality of the &quot;engine&quot;, as opposed to the block, from the comment of Marlin Spotts in March 2015. Honestly, I have no idea if the block is the original, has or has not been repaired/welded or is a replacement. The block casting appears to be casting # 3970010 and there is an additional entry in some of the records referring to 010-V0414-CRE. I'm not sure what this means--help!

[earntaz]

I have reached out to Dave to see if he remembers what he built for Mark. As soon as I hear something, I will pass on the info to you ... Craig

[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Congrats on the purchase!

Interesting that the Yenko Inventory Sheet shows W. R. Austin Chev in CT as the selling dealer. I suspect that if Mark in IL had the car in the mid '70's that perhaps it was dealer transferred to Rodgers Chev in Rantoul, IL?</div></div>

Could be -- Ernie Rogers also had a red Deuce on the showroom floor and was sold to a young lady. I don't remember seeing the Deuce much after the sell -- I think she was in the Air Force at Chanute AFB. I think Mark did buy the car from Rogers Chev. The little town of Rantoul, Il had three Deuces running the street for awhile -- Mark's, the Red one, and my Silver Deuce.

[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cool! I believe that there is video of the car running on this site from that event. I can post it when I get home if you'd like.</div></div>

Wow -- laying eyes on the old Deuce from eons ago will be neat ... Craig

[L16pilot]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The block casting appears to be casting # 3970010 and there is an additional entry in some of the records referring to 010-V0414-CRE. </div></div>

I believe CTB or CTC would have been the correct engine stamp suffixes for the 70 Yenko Deuce. CRE would be correct for an L48 350ci/300hp. CTC, CTB and CRE would share the same casting number 3970010. the Also check the casting date on the bell housing flange just below the distributor, since CRE may have been used on other applications/years. the &quot;V0414&quot; portion would equate to an engine assembled April 14th at the Flint plant.

[rcc]

Another baffler: There is a note in the records that states, verbatim: Rear--3:55--GM--Believed to be 1 of 3 original.

Opinions?

[rcc]

Without a window sticker, build sheet, broadcast sheet, or something similar, is it at all possible to find out how my car came originally equipped?

[earntaz]

Just heard from Dave and he indicated he did in fact build a 377. He did not remember what happened to the original 010 LT-1 block. So it appears the engine that is in the car now cannot be the &quot;born with&quot; engine.

Also, I was under the impression (could be wrong) that all the Deuces came with a 4:11 gear. Seein' as how the car was running in the high 12's with a 3:55 makes that motor pretty stout.

Craig

[rcc]

I thought the same thing about the engine/block until I read the comment from Marlin about the &quot;originality&quot;. Maybe he will address the issue or at least comment on his 2015 statement.

I also was under the identical impression about the 4:11 gearing until I read the comment about a 1 of 3 3:55. Now I'm just confused! (fairly normal these days)

[rcc]

Another concern wherein I need some help. I'm on a &quot;Stated Value&quot; insurance policy. Obviously, I know what I paid for the car; but, I really don't have a good feeling as to what I should insure it for. When I called my insurance carrier, they wanted me to insure it for significantly more than I paid for it. Maybe they were just trying to extract a higher premium payment--I'm just not sure.

Comments as to value?

[livettes]

Glad to see the car is in a good home! I bought the car from Bill Ulseth in Bradford TN. It is a good car. If you look back through the for sale section of this site you can probably still find the ad I placed last fall. It is not the original motor or transmission in the car but they are the correct date codes and casting numbers for an O5D Deuce. The most important part is the original rear is still in the car.
As far as the 3:55 gears I would have to speculate that this may have been a dealer swap as a new or near new car because they are GM gears in the original housing. I feel sure all the Deuces came with the 4:10s.
Rick I will give you a call tomorrow and tell you everything I know about the car.
Jamie

[earntaz]

Rick -- regardless what the history is on this Deuce ... you have a very nice car with much history. Enjoy the heck out of it. When you get some time -- take some pics of it and post them here. Craig <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[John]

... Rick,

.... Welcome to the site.... You have a great Yenko Deuce <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

.... Check with MK Insurance ( They are a sponsor of this site and they do a great job ! ) <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

.... Here is a link to them....

MK Insurance / sponsor (http://www.mkinsuranceagency.com/)

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[WILMASBOYL78]

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[rcc]

Sure appreciate all the assistance and input. I'll take a few pics the next time I take the car out and post them, soon!

Rick

PS: Just out of curiosity, how do I show the cars that I own, like in the post above this one?

[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure appreciate all the assistance and input. I'll take a few pics the next time I take the car out and post them, soon!

Rick

PS: Just out of curiosity, how do I show the cars that I own, like in the post above this one?</div></div>

At top of page -- click on &quot;My Stuff&quot; ... The click on &quot;Edit Profile&quot; and at the bottom, fill in the box with what you want ... Craig

[napa68]

Sounds like a really cool car. Would love to see the pics!

Tim

[Xplantdad]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Bruce;

Many Thanks--I would love to see the video! It's about 105 here in southern Utah. I took the Deuce out for its inaugural spin--no problems. It can still light em up! Temp reached about 180-185 and then stabilized. Oil pressure stayed around 55-60 lbs. Great shakeout after a full Winter off. </div></div>

Well, looks like there are videos, just not of your car?

Click HERE TO SEE THE VIDEOS (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/625672/scr-18-videos#Post625672)

[rcc]

Great vids! Where do I post questions regarding electrical issues? Forgive me, I'm still a Newbie to the site.

Rick

[Craig_Maiorana]

Try the Technical &amp; restoration section

[Craig_Maiorana]

Also any of the guys who commented on your post including me could help so feel free to PM any of us as well

[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Craig_Maiorana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also any of the guys who commented on your post including me could help so feel free to PM any of us as well</div></div>

X2 -- Craig (the old Craig) <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Xplantdad]

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[Craig_Maiorana]

HAHA dang it Taz ... it always slips my mind that your name is Craig as well <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Craig_Maiorana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HAHA dang it Taz ... it always slips my mind that your name is Craig as well <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif </div></div>

That's why I use TAZ -- it can be confusing with too many Tom, Dick, and Harrys ... Craig too ... LOL <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[rcc]

I really want to thank all the members that came to my assistance. I spoke with Jamie yesterday and he provided quite a bit of info on the car. I will now call Bill Ulseth, the owner before Jamie.

I do have a major electrical problem. I posted it on both the technical forum and Yenko specific forum. Hopefully someone can help. I've attached some pics that I took this morning. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19914-45627-img_2173.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19914-45628-img_2167_001.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19914-45629-img_2168.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19914-45630-img_2174_001.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19914-45631-img_2177.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19914-45632-img_2186_001.jpg

[earntaz]

This is way too cool to lay eyes on that Deuce -- it has been a long, long time. Last time I say her she had a caved in drivers door, dirty, etc. etc. You're going to get much enjoyment out of her ... TAZ (Craig) <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

[Craig_Maiorana]

Hey Taz check the post in the Yenko column .. he has an electircal gremlin

[Xplantdad]

Looks great! Nice scenery, too! Reminds me of around here....

[rcc]

Man, are we being hit by a Monsoon. Pretty heavy rains, lightning and local flooding! Other than that and 100+ degree temps this time of year, southern Utah is pretty nice!

I really need help with the electrical issue--please see posting on the Yenko specific forum.

Many Thanks,

Rick

PS: I've attached a few more pics. I still have Andy's MN plate on it.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19914-45633-img_2166_001.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19914-45634-img_2169.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19914-45635-img_2184.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19914-45636-img_2185_001.jpg

[rcc]

Hey Taz;

You appear to be the person that knows more about my Forest Green 70 Yenko than anyone else! Do you believe that any &quot;Original&quot; paperwork, or copies still exists anywhere to be found? Things like Sales Agreements, protecto plates, broadcast sheets, build sheets, window stickers, warranty work, service orders, etc.

If I could, I would love to get a hold of any early documents pertaining to my car--not for any financial value or gain but to see and understand what the first owner, Mark, was thinking of when he ordered and first took possession and drove the car!

Rick

[Xplantdad]

Rick-Make sure that you check THIS (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/558887/1970-nova-supercars#Post558887) out...if you haven't already. It was put together by Bruce E. (Bergy)

[DW31S]

What was/is the electrical gremlin? Pretty basic system unless some new harnesses were installed; I had a new one that was made incorrectly.

[earntaz]

I have no idea about documentation while Mark owned the car ... I am not even sure if his parents are even alive -- they were in the 50s/60s when Mark had it ... TAZ

[rcc]

THX Taz.

Regarding the electrical gremlins, they still persist. Please see earlier in the posting for details.

Rick

[earntaz]

OK -- heres what you need to do ... the connector at the base of the column on top, check the wires and match up the colors. I am thinking that if that switch in the column was replaced (or column replaced) and not the right one for a Nova that could be the issue. If colors match up according to the diagram I would say the switch is bad. No hazard/signal lights, no horn all point to the switch. Have you jumped across the horn relay to see if the horns are good?

[rcc]

Hey Taz;

Thanks for the pic of the circuit board. Horn relay itself check out good. If you know it, could you please give me the CORRECT part number for the turn signal wiring harness. I want to verify if I have the right one presently installed.

[earntaz]

Did you have a chance to check the connector? I think I have the AC Delco number somewhere.

[earntaz]

As near as I can find the GM number is 1893588 and the AC Delco number is D6208. Maybe some of the other members may chime in here if they have different numbers.

[rcc]

Ran out of daylight and Steph, my wife of 43 years, told me it was time to come in (now!).

So, I will check wiring and numbers tomorrow.

Many Thanks for all the great help and

Have a Safe, Sane and Happy Independence Day. Happy Birthday America!!

[earntaz]

Obsession can be a terrible thing at times.

If there is a number somewhere on that switch you may be able cross-reference it. You can also disconnect the plug and using the diagram jump wires to see if you get at least turn signal lights in the cluster. That would indicate the rest of the harness is good in the dash. For the lights, 12V comes from the hazard and turn signal flashers. If you cannot discern the color code, let me know and I will see if I can figure it out.

Also, while you’re under the dash, there is a small spade terminal on the side of the cluster next to and slightly below the gas gauge – that is the ground wire to the harness … make sure it is connected securely.

Have A SAFE INDEPENDENCE DAY and listen to your wife-mate ... that Deuce will be there tomorrow!!! TAZ
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[resto4u]

Rick, for future reference please post the same question only once in only one forum section. It keeps everything together for future use, and is easier for everyone. Thanks,Roger

[rcc]

Sorry Roger!

You're absolutely right.

I'm just a Newbie and maybe a little over exuberant!

Will post in just one location next time. Which one is best for questions like mine?

Happy 4th!

Rick <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rick-Make sure that you check THIS (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/558887/1970-nova-supercars#Post558887) out...if you haven't already. It was put together by Bruce E. (Bergy) </div></div>

Rick --check here for Yenko Deuce history ... it list color, original dealers, has the car been found, etc. TAZ

[resto4u]

Rick, technical/restoration would be good. Search around in there, lots of great information. I find the search engine here is difficult to use, but other members are really good at posting links to other threads if it has already been discussed. The amount of knowledgeable people here that are willing to help, and the amount of information here is amazing.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

So, it looks like this car is up for sale???


F. Green Deuce for sale (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Nova-COPO-LT1-350-Real-Yenko-Deuce-/162186152482?forcerrptr=true&amp;hash=item25c30c4a22:g :0TsAAOSwvzRXxhA9&amp;item=162186152482)

[earntaz]

Looks like it -- that is Mark McDonalds old Deuce. Rick must have his sights on something else ... TAX <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[Mr70]

Not one mention from the newbie in the eBay ad thanking earntaz,Marlin,livettes or Yenko.net for the very informative help here prior to the flip. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif

[Craig_Maiorana]

I am assuming he is consigning through the place in vegas

[HawkX66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not one mention from the newbie in the eBay ad thanking earntaz,Marlin,livettes or Yenko.net for the very informative help here prior to the flip. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif </div></div>
No disrespect intended, but I wouldn't put that in an ebay ad either.

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No disrespect intended, but I wouldn't put that in an ebay ad either. </div></div>

Why?..Knowledgeable help is always appreciated &amp; should be acknowledged in my book.
Even if it is a consignment,they can post what the owner dictates.

[Craig_Maiorana]

I would look at it as a benefit that the owner obtained information from this site. It would also show that the car is known to the registry.

[HawkX66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No disrespect intended, but I wouldn't put that in an ebay ad either. </div></div>
Why?..Knowledgeable help is always appreciated &amp; should be acknowledged in my book.
Even if it is a consignment,they can post what the owner dictates.</div></div>
I couldn't agree more that &quot;Knowledgeable help is (SHOULD) always appreciated &amp; should be acknowledged&quot;. Did he thank everyone in the thread? That's all I'd expect from all the people I've tried to help over time. If I found out someone went further and mentioned it somewhere else, I'd think &quot;that was nice.&quot; I get your point and I'm not trying to tell you what to think, but I just think dinging him for not saying something in an ad where he's trying to sell something on ebay might be a little much.

[livettes]

I actually talked with Rick yesterday when I heard the car was for sale. I would not call this a flip. He explained to me he is selling all of his cars for personal reasons that I will let him make the choice whether or not to discuss on an open forum. I have only spoken to him a few times but he seems like a really good guy and I know he appreciates this site and the people here that are always willing to help.
Jamie

[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: livettes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I actually talked with Rick yesterday when I heard the car was for sale. I would not call this a flip. He explained to me he is selling all of his cars for personal reasons that I will let him make the choice whether or not to discuss on an open forum. I have only spoken to him a few times but he seems like a really good guy and I know he appreciates this site and the people here that are always willing to help.
Jamie</div></div>

X2 !!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Craig_Maiorana]

I was not trying to ding him at all. I am sure he has his reasons for selling like Jamie said. I hope he gets all of what he is asking for it. I actually think that listing this site in the cars info would help with the sale (that was my only point) I know i have learned a ton from the guys here and I know that this site is important to the super car world

[rcc]

To those who have recently &quot;dinged me&quot;, I have this to say---Asshole---You have absolutely no idea what has recently happened either to me or close members of my family. I've thanked everyone, time and again, for ALL their help and input--each and every time. Just check my posts before you open your acid laced flytraps!!

It's only from complete jerks like you that I've ever heard this s*it!

I've listed all 6 of my cars for sale. I've owned several for many years. One was my wife's favorite (I've been with her for 43 years).

I'm not a car flipper. It was my passion. The owner of Celebrity Cars in Las Vegas is my FRIEND and has offered to help me out.

I can only hope that what befeld me hits you or your family! Some/most of you guys have been really nice and very helpful to a really old timer. Others can rot in hell!

Signing off for the last time.

RCC

[rcc]

If I can be removed from this site by the Moderator/Administrator, PLEASE do it ASAP.

I just don't need the aggravation right now.

I greatly appreciate those who assisted me during my short stay on the site.

RCC

[SuperNovaSS]

I hope rcc comes back. Then maybe he can clear the air or fess up.

If you are a flipper, just say your are a flipper from the get go. It may turn some seller's off but honesty is the best policy or at least it used to be. Honor really does not exist anymore and it sucks.

rcc, If times are down for you I hope they get better.


Jason

[scuncio]

All I can say is if you're enough of a fool to make claims like that ($300k profit in a week) you better make nice with the IRS man....

[olredalert]

----If there wernt what we call flippers in this hobby some of us wouldn't end up with the cars we want......Bill S