Real or Memorex?

[rsinor]

Guys I'm over my head, but I sure like this car. Is it real?

http://www.volocars.com/vehicles/13443/1969-chevrolet-camaro-rs-ss

[JRC99]

"ugly vinyl top" THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS, PARDNER. Looks like a nice car, they say it's documented. Granted, that don't seem to mean much anymore.

[Billohio]

Pictures are hard to see some items but the x33d80 tag means it's late enough it never had SS wheels. Car was built September 69.
Also it should have hood insulation and no ford fan sign! Rear springs have been replaced with generic version

[Craig_Maiorana]

That car would look great with the top on it

[rsinor]

So did the car come with a vinyl top? was the stripe originally white or black? cowl tag looks legit?

[black69]

I myself would want to see the block stamp with less paint on it, to see if the stamp matches the trans. Kinda hard to tell, looks pretty thick. They did not have to do that.

Also another thing I don't like about the ad, is says VIN matching, and not explicityly say <span style="font-style: italic">original</span> motor and trans. I take that as a way they may be covering themselves if found to be non original. If they can't send you some pre-restoration photos, I would not be eager to jump in. For that value they are asking, they would have to prove that is the original engine (dirty pad with good broach marks, old dirty trans with VIN showing, same goes for rear end axle stamp).

I would go look at it for you, but too busy this week (you should ask SSL78 to go look, he confirmed my 69 L78 car before I bought it). On a side note, Volocars is now supposed to be on the history channel, kinda nice to have a hometown car show finally on TV.

[Jonesy]

That rear stamping looks suspect. Looks like alot of chinese repop parts were used in the resto.
No pic of the pad stamping?? Hmmmm

124379N683498

[Charley Lillard]

The caution fan sticker and the 70.00 Chinese brake booster are enough for me to walk away. I have first hand experience with one of the owners of the dealership trying to convince me he knew the history of a fake LS6 Chevelle convert I was trying to buy. Could be a good car with some correcting but not at that price. Tread carefully over there.

[cook_dw]

Tag looks legit but the trans &amp; diff look restamped.. To me there seems to be more wrong than right; especially for that kinda money..


Edit: Charlie beat me to the punch.

[Lynn]

(That's what I get for leaving the computer, then coming back... Some of this has been mentioned in the interim)

Had a black vinyl top, which means the stripes would also have been black by default.

Not feeling the love for this one. Door strickers and latch should have been painted body color. As already mentioned, rear springs are generic replacements. I don't like the stamp on the rear (but that in itself doesn't mean it isn't original). Kurt S could give a better opinion than mine.

I would guess the quarter panels have been replaced. Didn't do a good job of replicating the inner quarter sound deadening (undercoat) before spatter paint was applied.

Someone mentioned the engine stamp. I couldn't find a pic. But, that is where I would start.

Hood latch looks painted instead of phosphate. Ash trays (unless I am seeing something) look painted silver instead of chrome.

And.... this is just one of my pet peeves, if you are going to restore a car to a &quot;ridiculous level&quot; at least take the giant dent out of the subframe where everyone used to put a floor jack.

As for documentation, I SUSPECT (just that, my suspicion.... which is partly based on my cynicism when it comes to restored cars) that the only piece that is genuine is the Pre-Dilivery sheet, which conveniently has the purchaser's name and address obscured, so you can't check out the story. I also cannot read that info on the POP.

[PeteLeathersac]

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Subject VIN 124379N683498

Too much use of restored/correct but nothing of the important word...original?
Also, phrasing simple statements as questions isn't usually necessary when all is just?
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif
~ Pete

[black69]

I just called the owner over at Volo, I think it is a car worth looking into based on where it was aquired (someone that has real LS6s, hemi cudas, etc). Volo owns the car outright and its not a consignment. I would give it a thumbs up at 75%. Said it has good broach marks, and would send pics (I passed on that, figuring Roy would get himself).

It did have a black top, with white stripes. But a car like this needs a personal inspection. Some work was done on the subframe (maybe from bottoming out or jacking up), again another thing that would need inspection.

[rsinor]

Can someone tell me if dealer 575 in zone 5 is Feld Chevrolet. This is not a car I am even considering but a car a good friend of mine seems to be in love with, I'm trying to figure out if tis even worth the effort to get a good inspection.

Charlie - I agree with you.

[RPOLS3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The caution fan sticker and the 70.00 Chinese brake booster are enough for me to walk away. </div></div>

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif Said what I was thinking. Never understood why on supposedly/apparently thorough restorations these things happen.

[njsteve]

But it's a genuine CAUTION FAN sticker! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

[Mr70]

Nothing specific about that Camaro,but it's Volo &amp; I have 10X more bad then good with them.
I'd run,not walk away Roy.

[napa68]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing specific about that Camaro,but it's Volo &amp; I have 10X more bad then good with them.
I'd run,not walk away Roy. </div></div>

Yup!

[Charley Lillard]

KurtS posted this on Camaros.net


Well, the delivered date is off cause someone screwed up when they made the repro docs.
IMO, restamped axle and trans.
No pad pic?

[Kurt S]

Thanks Charley.

[rsinor]

You guys are the best, I was able to find out the actual production date on the car per the GM records through NCRS. Turned out to be 9/11/69. kind of put a damper on the p-o-p in service date. Then the records show it would have to been a dealer trade because Feld was not the dealer who purchased it for sale from GM.


Again, thanks a million, I have advised my friend, <span style="font-weight: bold">you can lead a horse to the water but you can't make him drink. </span>

[GMC_Typhoon]

This is all I need to know.

http://www.bbb.org/chicago/business-revi...318/complaints/ (http://www.bbb.org/chicago/business-reviews/auto-dealers-antique-and-classic/volo-auto-museum-in-round-lake-il-51000318/complaints/)

[69z28302]

I would much more rather have the Dusk Blue care that Chuck has for sale in the classified section.

[black69]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GMC_Typhoon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is all I need to know.

http://www.bbb.org/chicago/business-revi...318/complaints/ (http://www.bbb.org/chicago/business-reviews/auto-dealers-antique-and-classic/volo-auto-museum-in-round-lake-il-51000318/complaints/) </div></div>

This place is mainly a consignment house. I went and looked at their rating by the bbb, and its here and looks to be A+.

http://www.bbb.org/chicago/business-revi...ake-il-51000318 (http://www.bbb.org/chicago/business-reviews/auto-dealers-antique-and-classic/volo-auto-museum-in-round-lake-il-51000318)

I think they have close to 300 cars on site, and move a lot of cars each year. I like they have a <span style="text-decoration: underline">free</span> forsale corral for people once a year, where you can look at cars to sell out in a nice shaded area, almost like a park setting. I got rid of a 64 vette there one year, bought my 9K mile 67 hemi gtx there with galen paperwork. Cost me nothing to do those transactions with private owners. I got my survivor 20K mile mr norms challenger r/t through one of the guys that works there. No issues with any of my cars or transactions.

I agree now, looks like the camaro is not worth the money, and I don't like hearing about the fake LS6 convert experience. It is sad these places spew what the consigner likely tells them. <span style="text-decoration: underline">No excuse for that</span>.

But there is still some goodness related to volocars. BIG dollar cars need inspection by experts.

I myself looked at this black 70 caddy recently, and if I get it, I plan to put bucket seats in it with console and add 67 hiding headlights on it, as it is so so rust free. If it was not volo, I would not get opportunities like this, thus I have to defend them a bit:

http://www.volocars.com/vehicles/13568/1970-cadillac-eldorado

[ssl78]

If you know what you are looking at there are some good deals at Volo. The one I remember most was the red 1967 Shelby convertible that was there every one thought it was fake. I wish I would have bought it at I believe 70k. I have sold 3 Z28 a 70 LS5 Chevelle and a couple other cars there over the years. You just cant believe what you read you have to know what you are looking at.
I did see that 69 L78 but there was so much repop on it there was no way to tell real or not.

[Mr70]

When the brothers Greg &amp; Bill ran it,it wasn't the best.But when the 2 sons took it over,it got a lot worse in my book.
One incident:
I inspected a car with a friend there recently,and was told they had a lot of the factory paperwork on it too.They wanted us to put down a non refundable deposit and then would contact the owner about getting the BS,POP &amp; DI..We waited in the office for a solid 60 minutes as we wanted to see the paperwork first before the deposit was given.I could tell they were screwing us around &amp; hoping we'd leave after we called their bluff.1 hour later the son came in and admitted he lied.This after we asked for the car owners name to confirm he had it.Too many empty promise situations like this or bending the facts for me to ever want to go back.

[Charley Lillard]

Was the owners son named Jay ?

[Mr70]

It started with Brian,ended with Jay basically admitting to a mis-communication. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif

[scuncio]

This one is back on the block, for $110k, in the link below:

Link to 1969 RS/SS auction (https://ebay.to/3r4sYRv)