70 l89 NOVA?

[marxjunk]

I found a 70 402 4 bolt today and the engine code is CKP when i reserched it it said 396 L89 400 turbo an the VIN is 10Wxxxxx..W being willow run..i thought only Novas where built there...is that right?..so i assumed it was from a 70 Nova..or could it be something else?

looking around, they say there are no documented L89 Novas known to exist..yes i saw the one that just sold..but there seems to be a lot of doubt its real...so..whatta i do with it?..the car is gone, so are the heads and the carb...i know where the heads are..i saw them on another car the guy owns...and arent for sale..ever he said..and i shrugged it off as no big deal, but with the car gone..and the heads unavail..its just a L78..whats opinions...or..is it so much more than just an L78???..

i really looked tyhe VIN and stamp over and looks authentic..large engine code..small font VIN..i believe its an authentic stamp..

please dont pound me with PMs on it..i dont own it yet..if i cant use it i will pass the lead on...i'm not to that point..and dont want to deal with all that right now..

[Charley Lillard]

pics please

[marxjunk]

i will, but i have to close the deal first..it aint cheap...i will see the cat tomorrow and see what i can do..its been rebuilt and luckily, they never decked it...

i originally wanted it for my chevelle project, but had no idea what it was

[DW31S]

Interesting to say the least.

[WILMASBOYL78]

If the deck stamp is legit, the heads don't matter. You can always buy a date correct set of aluminum heads for the engine. We have seen a couple of supposed real L89 1970 Novas...can't recall ever hearing of just the engine block.

Good luck.

-wilma

[Zman1969]

I'd like to see this to put to rest never made em claim

[PeteLeathersac]

'

Cool news and if stamping genuine, hope it leads to more conclusive info.
Does 'car is gone' mean MIA or known as absolutely destroyed?
And did the current block owner have the whole car at one time too?
Do you know what head #'s they are or can you find out?

Best may be run the Vin through NCRS and try to backtrack the car and/or more info on it.
Long shot but an NCRS result w/ Canadian dealer would be awesome and build info available would sure put an end to the built or not mystery!
Looking forward to seeing the stamping pics also where this thread goes from here!
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

[1969L78Nova]

What ever happened to this &quot;documented&quot; L89 from Legendary Motorcar?
http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/1970-chevrolet-nova-ss-847.aspx

[WILMASBOYL78]

Sold at Russo-Steele following 'tent damage' to a collector in AZ...then I believe it went to Florida. Haven't seen anything on it lately...But, I'm sure it will surface for air again at some point <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[marxjunk]

first thing..i dont want a circus or mess here..i just found a block with a curious stamp that i want to find out what it is and if its real...it was a fluke i got to see it, and found out its for sale......most of the time these take a bad turn, and i dont want that..i dont need the grief...

i am working on it today...guy that has it is a buddy..and could care less about codes etc...just wants to sell..i had already made the decision to buy..just need to work on a price we both can live with..to him, its just a L78 he bought for the heads..now, after sleeping on it...its a mission..lol

car is gone is all he said, i felt like he was saying scrapped decades ago..i will ask more...but i am just playing by ear...and not pushing...

the heads are on the property on another engine that needed them..i can see them. touch them etc...i will have him pull the covers so i can get dates and numbers if i buy..he may already have pics...because he showed me dozens with the pan off etc......

i will post some pics etc when i can, and get the story on the car..i want to get back there and look at the stamp again..and bringing a broach buster...but i really gotta say, i think its a legit stamp...like i said..even if i cant make the deal..i will pass it along to someone that needs it...or at least bring it to light..

crazy..its not the first rare block i found here in KC..icluding an MQ block and 2 MOs..that will never move from their spots till the owner passes...i guess i found at 6 high horse 427s too, trying to go by memory...all un-buyable...lol

[SuperNovaSS]

Cool find Mark,

The dates on the heads are on the undersides of the intake runners so they can be seen simply by removing the valve covers. The heads would be cool to have but are available. The block is the truely rare piece.

Jason

[Mr70]

Keep us updated &amp; share pictures..And for the sake of the obvious,make sure it isn't really CKO,CKQ or CKR.
casting dates can be in various places,but as Jason said,easily seen.

[marxjunk]

i called him and he told me they where close chambered heads and where 11.7 to 1 on the motor they came off of, i asked a few more questions about head numbers etc..and he said he would pull a cover etc if i was truly interested..i told him i wanted to know the dates etc to find another set..and he laffed and said ok, and couldnt remember the casting, but did say they where late 69 date, but couldnt remember the exact month.......he knows its an L89 coded motor..he volunteered that..but has no idea the VIN diriv is Nova and honestly could care less he wanted the heads and a few other pieces and had plans to turn it the whole time......

i will be there this evening..i'm pretty sure its CPK..because i used the acronym KCP as in Kansas City Police...to remember the code....my memory is soo bad the older i get....i was curioius because ive never heard of it.....i didnt take pics etc, because it was &quot;just an L78&quot;and wasnt real thrilled about it, but that code is what led me to research it further...., now the rest is just waiting it out

its an L78 i know that for sure...we will see on the rest..i'm so excited i cant really work today..lol

[SuperNovaSS]

Oooops, I meant to say can't be seen by simply removing the valve covers. Dates are on the underside of aluminum heads.

Jason

[marxjunk]

thanks Jason..that means i'll never see the dates..they are bolted on a 427 and i will never see them..this week he will pull the valve covers and shoot a pic of the part numbers *edit* HE SENT ME A PIC AND THEY ARE 842s

well i got pics of everything..i have questions..

its an early motor or at least i think it is..i'm no BBC guy..it has a 163 intake...and i thought all 70s had the flat 3963569 intake...or was there a change over period?? ..i just dont i know..the intake is in the date range to be &quot;date correct&quot; and thats confusing to me..anyway..i want to look around and digest what i found out today.....but good or bad..real or not i will post some pics...

theres no definitive proof the original car it came from still survives..its been in a 70 SS car for a long time..was freshened and was removed for a wicked 572 crate motor..the deal all came together because my buddy wanted the alum heads....and the deal just worked out for both guys...more tomorrow

[Mr70]

No change over period.All 1970 BB solids did have the #569 intake..Someone removed it and installed a #163 later on.
I would STRONGLY suggest you trying to obtain those early 1970 dated #842 heads if this engine block is indeed from that block &amp; from a 1970 L89 Nova.
Their dates are key.

[marxjunk]

will never happen..i will never get the heads..ever

here we go..until i figure out if the car is still in existence i wiped out the last of VIN and water marked them...and i do have a a line of ownership on the motor 3 people back now, so i will start working on it...but i fear its going to be a dead end..

SO WHAT DO THE EXPERTS THINK..AUTHENTIC STAMPS?..
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/marxjunk/2013%20parts/241b3d32-b172-4f86-b796-175427e9a7ed_zpsb5t3hfnz.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/marxjunk/media/2013%20parts/241b3d32-b172-4f86-b796-175427e9a7ed_zpsb5t3hfnz.jpg.html)
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/marxjunk/2013%20parts/2123f5bb-1aea-4d63-bbf8-650a4d56f1a3_zpsyklter0f.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/marxjunk/media/2013%20parts/2123f5bb-1aea-4d63-bbf8-650a4d56f1a3_zpsyklter0f.jpg.html)
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/marxjunk/2013%20parts/20161010_174626_zpsfnrndzch.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/marxjunk/media/2013%20parts/20161010_174626_zpsfnrndzch.jpg.html)
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/marxjunk/2013%20parts/20161010_175412_zpsjzhzkpzy.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/marxjunk/media/2013%20parts/20161010_175412_zpsjzhzkpzy.jpg.html)
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/marxjunk/2013%20parts/20161010_175516_zpswspyx0co.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/marxjunk/media/2013%20parts/20161010_175516_zpswspyx0co.jpg.html)

[scuncio]

Wow. Pretty cool. The W in the VIN stamp looks a little off to me, but I'm not a Nova expert by any means.

[L78steve]

Wow, Looks good. Never say never on the heads.

[BLACKLS5]

I'm not an expert but I don't like it.

[marxjunk]

the W matches all Willow Run BB Nova VINs that i can find that are posted online..

august 1st cast date...thats early...lol..if the stamp is right..it was machined 7 days later...

[scuncio]

I believe you on the W...like I said I'm no expert.

[marxjunk]

i'm with ya..the W was weird to me too..ya aint no spring chicken ya been around, i value your opinion

[BLACKLS5]

FWIW, It's not the &quot;W&quot; that bothers me.

[marxjunk]

Black, whats the concern? id like to hear all opinions...open communication here..if its not legit..i want to know...i value your opinion

if you dont want to be specific..is it the engine code or VIN? i am by no means an expert..i am an observer...or PM me..i get it

[Jonesy]

Would a real early car have a VIN derivative of 10W181xxx?
I am more versed in Camaro engine stampings but I dont like the &quot;broach marks&quot;.
Looks like they were made up by someone using coarse grit sandpaper.

[1969L78Nova]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow. Pretty cool. The W in the VIN stamp looks a little off to me, but I'm not a Nova expert by any means. </div></div>

The &quot;peak&quot; on the W looks a bit low compared to others I have seen including my 69 L78.

[Hotrodpaul]

Is it me or do the broach marks look a little funny? I can't decide if they are original or not. See the original L78 Nova block stamp I had about 10 years ago.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Hotrodpaul86/DSCN4491.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Hotrodpaul86/media/DSCN4491.jpg.html)

Paul

[bbbentley]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jonesy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Would a real early car have a VIN derivative of 10W181xxx?
I am more versed in Camaro engine stampings but I dont like the &quot;broach marks&quot;.
Looks like they were made up by someone using coarse grit sandpaper. </div></div>
Great question Jonesy, but I became aware of these type oddities/ discrepancies when this similar engine came up for sale on eBay. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=14633.0
This may explain how a late vin can be assigned to and early assembled engine

Not real crazy about broach lines either.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969L78Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The &quot;peak&quot; on the W looks a bit low compared to others I have seen including my 69 L78. </div></div>

I agree. The peak in the W is too low.

[WILMASBOYL78]

The 1970 production of the Nova started with VIN 100001...so this VIN would represent the number 81,000 car in the production sequence. The assembly date on the engine is 'early'...based on my assessment. Eg; our 1970 4 spd L78 has a cowl tag date of 12C...engine assembled 11/25...about a month prior to the build. Our VIN is 210xxx, so it is later than this unit by approx. 30,000 cars. We would need some other reference points from fall of 69 Novas to narrow down an exact time frame, but it could be done with fairly good accuracy.

It would be reasonable to expect that the 854 blocks were cast and the initial supply of engines assembled prior to the 70 model year really taking off. Also, the early date of the block could be perceived to support the idea that there were some early production aluminum head motors [like the Chevelle] and then the option was cancelled <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

Someone suggested running an NCRS or Canadian docs on the VIN...that would really help narrow down the ship date and see how that ties into the other facts...provided the data is a available.

The L89 Nova may be the 'Bigfoot' of the car hobby...clues occasionally surface and folks get excited. Having an actual block to examine is certainly a plus...I'm sure there are enough experts here that can confirm if the broach marks/stampings are legit. I have additional L78 examples that can be used for comparison if needed.

Stay tuned..

-wilma

[Verne_Frantz]

Logically, what would be the chances that someone would restamp a block and then let it sit around a machine shop for years without it going into a car?

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[BLACKLS5]

I had a Red '70 SS advertised here last year with a vin of W149859 and a build date on the cowl tag of 10A.

[L78steve]

For it to be a True 70 L89 it would have to be a very early assembly which it is. It probably sat around until someone ordered it hence the later VIN.
Would be nice if it turned out to be real.

[BLACKLS5]

If we take my 10A 149859 vin and Toms 12C 210xxx vin I'm guessing it would be from a 11B or 11C car by doing the math. I don't want to be a downer but I'm still skeptical on the pad stamp being original. Maybe that would explain the car being gone. It never existed, at least in L89 form.

[WILMASBOYL78]

Does the assembly date and stamp match any of the Chevelle L89 info that may be available...?? That might help dial it in a little better since these motors were probably made in one batch with the CKP in Tonowanda and then ended up at the assembly plant for the final install.

-wilma

[Lynn]

Never mind.

[marxjunk]

c'mon Lynn....whats on your mind..i want to hear everyones opinion...good or bad..

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does the assembly date and stamp match any of the Chevelle L89 info that may be available...??</div></div>

The only real 70 L89 Chevelle that I know of was assembled 11/13/69 and is coded CKT. The Tonawanda stamp is different than the one shown here as far as some of the fonts. I do not have the engine assembly date handy at the moment.

[camarojoe]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Verne_Frantz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Logically, what would be the chances that someone would restamp a block and then let it sit around a machine shop for years without it going into a car?

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif </div></div>

My thoughts as well. It's not like there's a fresh resto 70 nova this is going into, and it seems the heads from it are on some other car and aren't even for sale... I take it the guy who owns this block has no idea the numbers on it are even anything special or the only one anyone's ever seen. I don't know what to look for, but this sure doesn't sound like a scenario for a block to have been restamped. Heck, there isn't even a car for it to go into.

[marxjunk]

he has no clue really and his exact words are &quot;i dont care, i bought the engine for the heads for my other car&quot;..he does know its an L78 after that he could care less..ive know the guy 10 years and he's always been straight and up front...i believe what he says..he justs wants to recoup some money...and believe me..it aint cheap..thats my concern..i actually said..&quot;WOW,it has a w in the VIN for Nova&quot; and he shrugged, and said it came from a Nova..so who knows...he's a car guy, and could care less about codes etc..he just enjoys his cars....and that is exactly how ya stumble onto odd stuff..

head number..
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/marxjunk/2013%20parts/IMG_06081_zpsadhdlrdm.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/marxjunk/media/2013%20parts/IMG_06081_zpsadhdlrdm.jpg.html)

[Lynn]

Where is kwhizz?

I would also be interested in KurtS's opinion at least on the engine assy stamp.

Mark, what I was going to posit earlier is the possibility that this engine was built for a very late L89 Camaro (after they started putting C in front of the two letter designation), but since even the late Camaros apparently got codes CJM (auto) and CJJ (manual), I am guessing that isn't likely. HOWEVER, there were other mix ups during that time period. AND late 69 Camaros and early 70 Nova's shared a subframe, so F and X body stuff was mostly interchangeable up until intro of the 70 (what some guys call the 70 1/2) F body. So, just to be safe, I would take a jeweler's lupe and inspect the area down by the starter very carefully. If there is even a hint of an N stamped any where down there.... well, you know. The engine assy stamp could be legit and the Willow run partial added later.

Personally, I would like to see it confirmed as a true 70 Nova L89. Not sure what the engine block is really worth without a car though.

[PeteLeathersac]

'
All very interesting and seems a good possibility of being genuine?
Is the broaching consistent across the whole pass' side deck surface?
Again run the Vin through the NCRS service for delivering dealer info, more clues are what's needed and the result may lead to others etc.
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

[marxjunk]

yes the broaching goes all the way along both decks and are consistent and straight..first thing i looked at..i have pics, but really whats in already posted is relevant...the rest i have really ads nothing else to the conversation

[JRSully]

Nobody mentioned the possible &quot;human element&quot; here, did the stamper grab a &quot;P&quot; instead of an &quot;O&quot;.? If the stamping blocks were lined up next to each other alphabetically, the P would be next to the O I would think. Far fetched.? maybe, but not impossible I would think. It was 40+ years ago

[WILMASBOYL78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRSully</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nobody mentioned the possible &quot;human element&quot; here, did the stamper grab a &quot;P&quot; instead of an &quot;O&quot;.? If the stamping blocks were lined up next to each other alphabetically, the P would be next to the O I would think. Far fetched.? maybe, but not impossible I would think. It was 40+ years ago </div></div>

Sully has figured it out! August 8th, 1969 was a Friday and the engine guys were probably thinking about the weekend....problem solved! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where is kwhizz?

I would also be interested in KurtS's opinion at least on the engine assy stamp.

Mark, what I was going to posit earlier is the possibility that this engine was built for a very late L89 Camaro (after they started putting C in front of the two letter designation), but since even the late Camaros apparently got codes CJM (auto) and CJJ (manual), I am guessing that isn't likely. HOWEVER, there were other mix ups during that time period. AND late 69 Camaros and early 70 Nova's shared a subframe, so F and X body stuff was mostly interchangeable up until intro of the 70 (what some guys call the 70 1/2) F body. So, just to be safe, I would take a jeweler's lupe and inspect the area down by the starter very carefully. If there is even a hint of an N stamped any where down there.... well, you know. The engine assy stamp could be legit and the Willow run partial added later.

Personally, I would like to see it confirmed as a true 70 Nova L89. Not sure what the engine block is really worth without a car though.
</div></div>



Is that even plausible since the the engine assembly plant stamped the engine code and the vehicle plant stamped the partial vin..??.. As for the stamp in question I think its legit but whether it was human error or not... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[Zman1969]

Mark, you can always plant the seed - let him know you would be willing to supply another set of heads(whatever he cared for TFS brodix ect) in tyhe future so you could keep this one complete. I know I would!

[WILMASBOYL78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zman1969</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mark, you can always plant the seed - let him know you would be willing to supply another set of heads(whatever he cared for TFS brodix ect) in tyhe future so you could keep this one complete. I know I would! </div></div>

The heads don't really matter...they can be sourced, and based on the info supplied the heads are important to the current owner...not worth rocking the boat IMO.

-wilma

[marxjunk]

he wants the &quot;winters snow flake&quot;..the heads are in another chevy thats pretty cool..i'll just let him know i'm interested, but it isnt gonna happen..he did the frame and drive train resto and will never take it back apart, and neither would I..so i will just let him know the &quot;if ever&quot; speech and see whats what..

[BLACKLS5]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/10/full-11306-50409-100_0571.jpg
Here is a pad stamp from a 1970 LS5 Chevelle. No one sees a problem here?

[marxjunk]

i know you think the C is wrong on the Nova stamp i appreciate the help, i do....and i do see what you are saying.

[Mr70]

Your C does look more open than others I've seen.
Dale has some nice photographed examples too. http://chevellestuff.net/1970/engines/index.htm

[marxjunk]

Troy says the C should have a straight back and not the curve like this one..as i look around, i see both styles some are called right out re=stamps some are accepted as real????hows a guy to know..

.too bad theres no known/confirmed willow run stamp pics avail to do a side by side..even 325 horse stuff just to compare..the C doesnt bother me too much..its the W..and a friends statement this morning kinda shook me a little...he's seen more BBC stamps than anyone here could ever..he liked it except he said &quot;boy the stamp sure looks fresh&quot;

i see the small block &quot;C&quot; and CE share the same font thats on this block..throws a few questions up....

i am not smart enough to tell..but i did find a willow run 396 and it has the same C as the one i am looking at..close to this on production number too..just a few thousand cars away..

[bcmiller]

CKP stamp is not an original stamp in my opinion. Sorry.

[camaromb]

The broach lines just don't look parallel on the CKP stamp. Look at the broach lines at the top left of the &quot;P&quot; and top right of the &quot;P&quot; and the lower left of the &quot;O&quot; and lower center of the &quot;O&quot;, they are way off of parallel.

[WILMASBOYL78]

It took awhile to find this photo...note the 'C' in CKO. This is from our 22k mile 70 survivor...you can decide.

-wilma

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/10/full-1121-50411-tn_dscn0968.jpg

[Verne_Frantz]

He said it came out of a Nova, so ask him if the car was restored then totaled, or if it was original, just trashed? If it had been restored, then a restamp is possible. If was a beater, then a restamp is highly unlikely. Did he actually see the car, or was he just told it came out of a Nova?????

Verne

[Ls6 Ragtop]

Mark,
FWIW, I wouldn't pay a premium for that short block based on that deck stamp. If I were inspecting it for a customer based on issues that I see that others have pointed out I would tell them it's not in my opinion an authentic stamping. Since this motor is already mostly apart I would perform a deck height measurement. That will most likely put this debate to bed.
Chris

[marxjunk]

def a different C...thanks Wilma..appreciate it

i have repeated what i was told Verne, he gave me some contact info of the last 3 owners, he was told it came from a 70SS car where it had been for a long time..i dont know if thats 2 years or 20 I have the machinists/assy guys name and i know who he is, i see him at swap meets from time to time...and i will try to run him down..heck i may see him tonight, we have a weekly swap meet and he's been there a few times...so who knows..he was not the owner, he just assembled the thing..

oh well...it was extremely exciting..and a lot of fun..we will see...

i will update this as i gather more info...i'm stepping back and waiting on some better back story etc..but please..anyone with anything to add..please do so...

[Mr70]

Like Mark noted,I too was looking @ the uniformity of the parallel lines.
Also looks like there's a character behind the letter P,but that might be the camera lighting.

[Woj]

Here's another &quot;C&quot; for comparisons.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/Woj1969/Car%20data/IMG_0610_zps8ghxb6ck.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/Woj1969/media/Car%20data/IMG_0610_zps8ghxb6ck.jpg.html)

[scuncio]

Here's another:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Ss454elcamino/i-8SvPBh4/0/X3/image-X3.jpg

[m22mike]

And yet another &quot;W&quot; to compare. Notice the patina on this pad and how suttle the broach marks are, they look very bright on your's Mark. Keep digging.
Mike

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/10/full-2974-50452-69_nova_ss_196.jpg

[Mr70]

Adding marxjunk 2 pics under the previous 3 to compare easier.
From here the W in Mikes stamping looks much taller &amp; narrower in the center section,than marxjunk W which looks shorter there &amp; wider too.

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/marxjunk/2013%20parts/241b3d32-b172-4f86-b796-175427e9a7ed_zpsb5t3hfnz.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/marxjunk/media/2013%20parts/241b3d32-b172-4f86-b796-175427e9a7ed_zpsb5t3hfnz.jpg.html)
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/marxjunk/2013%20parts/2123f5bb-1aea-4d63-bbf8-650a4d56f1a3_zpsyklter0f.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/marxjunk/media/2013%20parts/2123f5bb-1aea-4d63-bbf8-650a4d56f1a3_zpsyklter0f.jpg.html)

[marxjunk]

heres a WR L78 on ebay for sale.....and i just realized is for sale by a member here..
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/marxjunk/2013%20parts/s-l1600%207_zpsgm7xfolt.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/marxjunk/media/2013%20parts/s-l1600%207_zpsgm7xfolt.jpg.html)

[Mr70]

marxjunk
After all that's been said here,try running the VIN# through George Z. @ Vintage Vehicle Services.
If it doesn't hit,there's no charge.
Reason I suggest this to you is I have some very early 1970 Chevrolet Canadian dealer ordering guides showing the L-89 Aluminum head L-78 Nova mentioned.
I always took it as unrealistic because it was printed August 1969 and it soon vanished within the following months,but your car got me thinking about it again.

[SeattleCarGuy]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/10/full-5898-50469-018.jpg
Here's another example of a &quot;W&quot; from my '69 L78 Nova

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I think its fair to say that the 'W's are varied, so the issue with the L89 block in question is probably more about the 'C' and the broach marks....

[CDNL-78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">marxjunk
After all that's been said here,try running the VIN# through George Z. @ Vintage Vehicle Services.
If it doesn't hit,there's no charge.
Reason I suggest this to you is I have some very early 1970 Chevrolet Canadian dealer ordering guides showing the L-89 Aluminum head L-78 Nova mentioned.
I always took it as unrealistic because it was printed August 1969 and it soon vanished within the following months,but your car got me thinking about it again. </div></div>http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/10/full-7028-50489-img_1648.jpg

George does charge a minimum fee for running vin#'s. I just got this form on Wednesday morning directly from George.

Thought you may want to know about this.

[marxjunk]

thank you, i appreciate it..

i have a few appointments to see/talk to people this weekend..we will see how it goes..maybe i can weasel some info out..

[Mr70]

That's understandable to see VVS is charging a minimum fee now,regardless if it hits or not.
I feel fortunate to have been able to run so many cars through them for free in the past,which I imagine many others did too &amp; thus why the fee now.

[Big Block Bill]

Here is another pad stamp from a documented, original 1970 LS5 Chevelle.

Bill http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/10/full-1643-50497-img_3352.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/10/full-1643-50498-img_3353.jpg

[m22mike]

Nice suttle looking broach marks, with the patina. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
Mike

[Kurt S]

No question in my mind, that's a restamp.
Those aren't broach marks, but sanding marks.
I have quite a few 70 WR VIN stamps, including several in this VIN range - it matches none.

[marxjunk]

yes, i understand it now...i appreciate you weighing in...

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No question in my mind, that's a restamp.
Those aren't broach marks, but sanding marks.
I have quite a few 70 WR VIN stamps, including several in this VIN range - it matches none. </div></div>


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