1969 Camaro Battery Tray

[Steve Shauger]

I've had a few people ask about assemblyline battery trays and the difference from the NOS GM. The notable difference is the squared off tab by the clamp nut. See attached pics. These are from Norwood cars built 2D (top pic) & 3B (bottom pic). If someone has a LA built car with orig battery tray please post with year and build date if possible. Thanks....

[mike1971]

Hey Steve here are a few pics of my 2 Cars battery trays. 1 Norwood Z28 and 1 LA LM1. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/12/full-19961-54983-20161227_224532.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/12/full-19961-54984-20161227_224832.jpg

[1967Z28]

Steve, below are pics of an original production line battery tray from a '67 Camaro that had 1100 miles on it and was wrecked in the rear when new. I also got the original steering linkage and the original RH wheel well from the same car.

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/IMG_5704%20tray_zpsowmqmep2.jpg (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/IMG_5704%20tray_zpsowmqmep2.jpg.html)

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/IMG_5705%20tray_zpsqi4pzrrw.jpg (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/IMG_5705%20tray_zpsqi4pzrrw.jpg.html)

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/IMG_5708%20tray_zpsbet1n1ml.jpg (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/IMG_5708%20tray_zpsbet1n1ml.jpg.html)

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/IMG_5709%20tray_zpsgwxpvtzw.jpg (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/IMG_5709%20tray_zpsgwxpvtzw.jpg.html)

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/IMG_5706%20tray_zpsgdroblcv.jpg (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/IMG_5706%20tray_zpsgdroblcv.jpg.html)

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/IMG_5707%20tray_zpsqvcw1kch.jpg (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/IMG_5707%20tray_zpsqvcw1kch.jpg.html)

[Steve Shauger]

Thanks Jon, wow the condition is amazing on that tray.

[Steve Shauger]

Here's a 01C Van Nuys 69 Camaro battery tray. It's obviously been repainted. Thanks Jude...

[cook_dw]

03D of 68. Ignore the hold down. I have the original one in now.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/12/full-1263-55066-img_1352.jpg

[William]

This is exactly the sort of issue we regularly deal with at the CRG. People see differences in a component part and run with it despite having a tiny sample size.

There were almost 700,000 1st Gen Camaros built. Let's get more data from an evenly distributed sample size before drawing conclusions and docking points in judging. There are several examples of different parts being used simultaneously in production.

[m22mike]

Thank you, well said. People also seem to forget there were in most cases multiple vendors being used.

Mike

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is exactly the sort of issue we regularly deal with at the CRG. People see differences in a component part and run with it despite having a tiny sample size.

There were almost 700,000 1st Gen Camaros built. Let's get more data from an evenly distributed sample size before drawing conclusions and docking points in judging. There are several examples of different parts being used simultaneously in production. </div></div>

Bill, the intent of starting this thread was not to jump to conclusion, just the opposite. I specifically asked for examples, from different years, plants and build dates. Out of the 700K cars how many have their original battery tray.

No one is making absolute statements just sharing info.. I expect the sample size to be quite small, but time will tell.

Your point is well taken &quot;Let's get more data from an evenly distributed sample size before drawing conclusions and docking points in judging&quot; and was a reason I started this thread. A friend had his concours restored car judged, and there was a points deduction for the battery tray.

Hope you and yours have a great New Year!!

[William]

In some cases an alternate part number is listed in the Assembly Manual with the description 'opt'. There are at least 40 examples of this in the '69 AIM with a few having 3 acceptable part numbers.

Having worked in automotive supply chain, a discrete part with multiple sources may be furnished under one part number-the 3960314 sheet metal fastener is found with different supplier head markings and were co-mingled in production stock. In the case of functional parts, a decision has to be made. Rochester/Casco lighter parts were both used in production but under different part numbers. Separate production stocks would be maintained.

[William]

My concern here is that the MCACN judges did <span style="font-style: italic">exactly</span> that-jumped to the conclusion that the car had an incorrect battery tray. The docked points should be restored.

Point well taken-how many Camaros still have the original battery tray. Even otherwise original cars may have had the tray replaced decades ago due to a battery failure. We may never know.

There are often 'service' versions of a part once it goes &quot;non-current.&quot; The supplier that furnished 5,000 parts per week to production often is not interested in maintaining tooling and processing equipment for the small needs of service. So it gets shopped around. Over a long service life, several vendors may supply a part that fits and functions but has slight appearance differences.

[68camaroz28]

This has been on interesting journey so far as I was one who contacted Steve along with some other Camaro friends trying to understand what was wrong with the battery tray I had in our 68 Z/28 restoration. I thought I had checked it out and had a NOS GM service replacement but the judge at MCACN told me and deducted a point for just that &quot;service replacement.&quot; The judge who did a very good job found this by feel. Later that judge came back to look at our car and was complimentary and he tried to show me what he was feeling for but I was feeling in the wrong place and missed what he was trying to convey which was all my fault (dang hearing ain't what it used to be). I just thought no big deal and will check it out when I get home. Well, that is when I was shooting blanks as I could not see by comparing battery trays what was wrong until I contacted Steve and others for help and assistance. I have pictures and information on our restoration build over at Team Camaro but here is what I've put together so far concerning the tab. It's interesting that I have not seen a NOS service replacement and a few have been very old ones with that tab where the clamp bolts on. Another point brought out by a friend which I had started to note was the nuts on born with battery trays seems to always be angled whereas GM service replacements seem to be always straight.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/133-build-...tml#post3834690 (http://www.camaros.net/forums/133-build-projects/182584-time-another-68-z-28-restored-86.html#post3834690)

Some of this tabulation is from trays posted here like Mikes two and Darrell's.
67 ??? ??? Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- Has angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many.
68 03D NOR Has tab
68 05E LOS Has tab
68 06A NOR Has tab
68 07C NOR Has tab
68 07D NOR Has tab
69 ??? LOS Has tab
69 ??? NOR Has tab
69 ??? NOR No tab has angled nuts &amp; orig. battery hold down clamp
69 ??? ??? Has tab but not as pronounced as many.
69 01C NOR Has tab
69 02D NOR Has tab
69 03B NOR Has tab
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built)
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built)

[Steve Shauger]

To say Chick did an amazing job with both his research and restoration on this car is a understatement. The level of detail is just spectacular and you should be very happy and proud. Thanks for posting the details and adding your data.

[68camaroz28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To say Chick did an amazing job with both his research and restoration on this car is a understatement. The level of detail is just spectacular and you should be very happy and proud. Thanks for posting the details and adding your data. </div></div>

Thank you Steve!
Something else I've been noticing since reviewing battery trays are original Gen II trays (the few so far) have a tab also. Hopefully more survivor owners can chime in. This one was pictured was on ebay recently. Its also similar in that the tab can vary in amount. I wonder if the early take off Jon has with the two looking spikes was due to not having enough material when extruded (formed).
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/EarlyGen2_zpsl0uzczib.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/EarlyGen2_zpsl0uzczib.jpg.html)

[jl8z28]

Just like the late 69 11A cars the door strikers were star's the 69 Zs had a 2003 distributor not a 480 and there were other things and this is through the legend judging I was told they were wrong

[cook_dw]

Are you referring to the Camaro Nationals with the legend judging? Also does the same group judge both the MCACN and Camaro Nationals in Maryland.?.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you referring to the Camaro Nationals with the legend judging? Also does the same group judge both the MCACN and Camaro Nationals in Maryland.?. </div></div>

Guy is referring to the Camaro Nationals with respect to his score. I don't believe there are any judges that judge both events.

The Vintage program began at Carlisle/Camaro Nationals in 1999 and decided not to participate when it moved to Frederick, MD.

The components Guy is referring to, the striker hardware and distributor have been documented on late built unrestored cars.

[cook_dw]

Yes Steve Im aware of the strikers and dizzies but wanted to make sure there wasnt any confusion as to which group he was referring to.. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif


Fact is everyone makes mistakes or oversights.. NO ONE is perfect. The best option is to do as what is being done whether its CRG or Vintage Cert (or both preferably) by educating everyone and trying to evaluate what was and wasnt used or possible.

[napa68]

Here is my LA car......

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b437/napa68/Harry%20Mann%2068%20L78%20-%20L88%20Camaro/006_zpseb9c39a2.jpg (http://s1043.photobucket.com/user/napa68/media/Harry%20Mann%2068%20L78%20-%20L88%20Camaro/006_zpseb9c39a2.jpg.html)

The tray appears to be pretty nice, making me wonder if its original, albeit the car is a 25k southern CA car.

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b437/napa68/Harry%20Mann%2068%20L78%20-%20L88%20Camaro/IMG_20161227_171539042_zpsupe1vjds.jpg (http://s1043.photobucket.com/user/napa68/media/Harry%20Mann%2068%20L78%20-%20L88%20Camaro/IMG_20161227_171539042_zpsupe1vjds.jpg.html)

[68camaroz28]

Yes Napa68, the battery tray appears in above condition and the original clamp has been replaced but your bolt with 3/4&quot; captured washer is correct. That can be difficult to obtain.
That brings up a question from a LOS battery tray Steve showed as the battery clamp bolt was different from what normally noticed. Was a different bolt used sometimes at LOS vs. NOR?

[68camaroz28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChickR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That brings up a question from a LOS battery tray Steve showed as the battery clamp bolt was different from what normally noticed. Was a different bolt used sometimes at LOS vs. NOR?
</div></div>

Sorry as I have a typo! It should read &quot;That brings up a question from the LOS battery tray Mike1971 showed as the battery clamp bolt was different from what normally noticed.&quot; The difference being it should reference Mike's 2nd picture and not Steve's picture. Was that bolt something LOS used?

[ssl78]

06A 69 Camaro

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2017/01/full-338-55471-battery_tray.jpg

[68camaroz28]

Added 69 06A (LOS or NOR?) &amp; added time frame to another on list.
67 ??? ??? Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- Has angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many.
68 03D NOR Has tab
68 05E LOS Has tab
68 06A NOR Has tab
68 07C NOR Has tab
68 07D NOR Has tab
69 ??? LOS Has tab
69 ??? NOR Has tab
69 11A NOR No tab has angled nuts &amp; orig. battery hold down clamp
69 ??? ??? Has tab but not as pronounced as many.
69 01C NOR Has tab
69 02D NOR Has tab
69 03B NOR Has tab
69 06A ??? Has tab
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built)
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built)

[68camaroz28]

Both of these are on the list but today was able to obtain pictures of each great survivor.
68 Z/28 07D NOR
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/68%2007D%20NOR_zpscttaio8n.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/68%2007D%20NOR_zpscttaio8n.jpg.html)

69 Z/28 09D late NOR Steve knows both of these cars but especially this one!
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/69%2009D%20LateNOR_zpsdu96yaiu.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/69%2009D%20LateNOR_zpsdu96yaiu.jpg.html)

[Zman1969]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes Steve Im aware of the strikers and dizzies but wanted to make sure there wasnt any confusion as to which group he was referring to.. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif


Fact is everyone makes mistakes or oversights.. NO ONE is perfect. The best option is to do as what is being done whether its CRG or Vintage Cert (or both preferably) by educating everyone and trying to evaluate what was and wasnt used or possible. </div></div>
I agree with Darrell no one is perfect and also no <span style="font-weight: bold">car</span> is perfect! so we all want to make them better,lord knows they were abused over the years. personally I want mine driveable, nice but driveable.

[68camaroz28]

We now have another tray from a 67 that is the same design as what Jon posted.
Updated List-
67 DaveV same design as Jon's No tab correct angled nuts
67 Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- correct angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 04D NOR Has tab Janobyte
68 05E NOR Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69 LOS Has tab Mike1971
69 NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts &amp; orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69 Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 08C NOR Has tab Bullitt65
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip

Note the fang like prongs just like what Jon has on his battery tray.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/DaveV%2067_zpsfvbykgz6.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/DaveV%2067_zpsfvbykgz6.jpg.html)
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/DaveV%2067%202_zps2i9lfv69.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/DaveV%2067%202_zps2i9lfv69.jpg.html)

[68camaroz28]

Updated List
67 DaveV same design as Jon's No tab-two sharp points w/correct angled nuts
67 Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab-two sharp points w/correct angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 02D NOR Has tab Randy (Dutch)
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 04D NOR Has tab Janobyte
68 05E NOR Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69 LOS Has tab Mike1971
69 NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts &amp; orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69 Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03E NOR Has tab Eldon Has one sharp point with tab
69 08C NOR Has tab Bullitt65
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip
Eldon sent me pictures of his 69 03E and it has the tab, angled nuts, and 1 sharp point.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/69%2003E%20NOR%20Eldon_zpsvib0iisa.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Original%20Parts/69%2003E%20NOR%20Eldon_zpsvib0iisa.jpg.html)

[68camaroz28]

Added Hans 69 LOS 04B has tab! Picture on similar CRG thread.
67 ??? ??? Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- Has angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 05E LOS Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69 ??? LOS Has tab Mike1971 (SYC)
69 ??? NOR Has tab Mike1971 (SYC)
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts &amp; orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69 ??? ??? Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude (SYC)
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03E NOR Has tab with 1 sharp point sticking out. Eldon
69 04B LOS Has tab Hans (CRG)
69 06A ??? Has tab SSl78 (SYC)
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip

[luv2sixty9]

I got lucky last week when I purchased a bunch of NOS Camaro parts and found this correct assembly line NOS Battery Tray in a box of parts. I also got an NOS Clamp with the two dimples.

[jl8z28]

I just wonder if some cars had the hold down with the two indents and some did not my late car did not have them and I got the hold down off a 69Z that won a world championship and was never on the street in a box of parts it didn't have them

[68camaroz28]

I just wonder if some cars had the hold down with the two indents and some did not my late car did not have them and I got the hold down off a 69Z that won a world championship and was never on the street in a box of parts it didn't have them

I know we cannot say never but it seems all originals had that design with the two indents. Later service replacements changed some design characteristics with the two indents being eliminated as a part of. I researched that quite a lot and from everything found or cars reviewed it indicated the expectation would be having the clamp with two indents. And GM products used that style clamp including Corvettes. One thing that can be done is to compare your clamp against a service replacment to see if it matches.