Barrett Jackson - Opinions?

[Luvchevs]

Not sure if I've watched it too many times on TV but I found the auction this year to have lost some of its sizzle? Several of the high rollers were missing, Hendrick, Hendricks, Staluppi and Pratte to name a few. Not many 7 figure car changing hands and not many huge charity transactions. No new VIN number 1 cars going for crazy money either! I also found the whole Bieber Ferrari auction a joke! Luckily he can sing and dance a bit better than he can talk up his car!
Any other opinions?

[Mr. Chevy]

I noticed the same thing.. You have to admit it is very entertaining if nothing else.. Keeps me laughing at some of the stuff I see.. These commentators get on my nerves especially that Chris Jacobs & Steve Magnante..

I also like how EVERYTHING that Barrett Jackson is selling is the best of the best, one of one, low mileage, ALL original, original paint etc.... Geez how do they do it??

Rich <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[Mr. Chevy]

My favorite was that hideous 69 Camaro Z28 clone red in color with the a$$ end jacked way up. The finishing touch was the Auto Zone white bar code sticker that was left on the alternator.. Car sold for $40 grand...

Like I said very entertaining!!

Rich

[jims68nova]

They announced about all of them as why they weren't there, Hendricks was being inducted to hall of fame,Staluppi had his birthday party at home and Ron Pratte got out of cars in 2015 when he sold off his whole collection. As for Bieber, yeah he's clueless haha.

[Charley Lillard]

Just got back and it was amazing as usual. Hendricks buyer was there. They announced this was the most cars they ever had there. I was on stage when Steven Tyler, Beiber and Dale Jr. came on stage. There was plenty of sizzle.

[Postsedan]

Great seeing you Charley......I knew you liked how I spotted you <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Dan

[seventieshow]

What he said. I was there all day Tuesday and back Friday night. Great as always.

[CC Rider]

I drove cars up on the block all week. Can't speak about the theatrics (actually saw none of it), but Hendricks was represented (good friend of mine) and, for the most part, the cars I drove were better than last year, with two exceptions. Quite a few exotics being offered. Still plenty of sizzle in my world.

Jerry M and Kevin M were very busy inspecting their various brands of vehicles. Busier than last year!

Some of the big collectors are finding other interests and selling off their cars.

Great seeing my yenko.net friends this week. Sorry I did not have lots of time to talk.

[Luvchevs]

Thanks for your feedback. It has been several years since I've actually attended the show, so maybe I need to go experience it in person again?
Don't get me wrong they obviously had lots of nice cars there it just didn't seem to have the same excitement on televison as I saw when the Futureliner, Shelby Dragon Snake, Batmobile or the prototype Oldsmobile had when they sold.
I did see you on television Charley. I thought I might see you bidding on the 70 Hemi Cuda convertible?

[427.060]

I thought it was funny how many cars were &quot;bid&quot; up then lowered. One in particular was the General Motors Intimidator Monte Carlo. It went up to $50K, down to around $30K, down to $20K, up to $30K and sold at $25K. When the high bidder bid $25K the bid then went to $30K. They kept trying to get the guy to bid more then $30K. When he wouldn't bid any more they dropped it back to $25K and sold it to him.
James

[JRSully]

I thought it a was Resto Mod fest, It seems the pristine muscelecar stuff goes to Mecum/Russo and Steele, all the pristine older exotic stuff seems to go to Gooding/R+M/Sothebys etc. A lot of January competition for the collector cars

[MosportGreen66]

I was at BJ all week selling my '69 Z28 with my brother and Mr. Boone. We had the best '69 Z28 there by a landslide with the most forthright presentation revealing all numbers and info good or bad. Original motor and diff. Not hit body on original sheet metal. Our car did $85k on the block. Very soft #. BJ told us it would do $120k. A LOS '69 Z28 factory RS car, OEM drivetrain car in hugger orange did $73k (smoking deal). A couple of big brake, fuelie Vettes ('60 and '61 I think) did $105k and $107k (I maybe wrong on the exact figures pardon) but again, smoking deals. Those were $150k cars last year. We saw a '57 fuelie with the original motor hammer to $77k. Another Vette was a factory red/red 300hp Convertible sold for $50k (not a smoking deal but a good value). It was nice to see the lesser quality (NOM, restamp, fake tags contingent) sell at a lower value but Reggie Jackson's junk box black RS with Z28 emblems sold for double its value $80k - reproduction cowl tag. George Lyons '69 Z28 with a cross ram and a undisclosed restamp motor did $70k. The Gas Monkey Garage Daytona yellow '69 Z with some metal issues but OEM drivetrain did about low $60ks (added hood and spoilers but an M22 car). A real nice driver Citrus green '70 Z OEM drivetrain car did like $38k before fees. Needed a smog system but it was a decent buy. The COPO Camaros cars were all over the place. Not one had the original motor - Yellow/white Show Your Auto car did $155k after commissions, HO COPO in the Saloon collection did $132k, Albaugh Collection car with a restamp BE rear from George Harris did $104k. Whats with 1970 Chevelle owners with late introduction colors calling them COPO Chevelles? I don't think 1 LS6 Chevelle broke $100k. Tom William's old L78 Nova with a Henderson restoration did $67k. No love for a real Nova. In summary, the more time you spend looking at these BJ cars, the more reproduction parts you see. I was not enamored with a single muscle car there. I LOVED a gold/white roof '57 Nomad (or 2 door wagon, don't know much about those cars) that if I had all the cars I wanted and needed to have it, I'd be all over it. Sold for $70k before commissions? In speaking with friends I consider market watch dogs, we agreed the market is continually correcting itself from years of abusive spending. Prices down about 20% from expectation at BJ. I cannot speak for other auctions. Nothing shows discretionary spending levels like a car auction. Stay tuned folks, lots of scared people. No one spent $ at BJ.

[olredalert]

----What about the LS6 that sold for over $200,000? I didn't see it but a friend told me about it last night......Bill S

[Mr70]

That was #1301 the Red/Blk Vtop LS-6 Chevelle that sold $240K.*
#1310 Mulsanne Blue LS-6 Chevelle sold $180K.*
#1319 LS-5 Black Chevelle CVT. sold $130K.(No Buildsheet,Trim Tag Non OEM)*
#1430 Yellow LS-6 sold $110K.*
#1054 Shadow Grey LS-6 Chevelle Bench seat Auto on column sold for $101,200 WITH FEES.
#1300 1970 Citrus Green Deuce sold $100K. *

*all these prices don't include auction fees.

[flyingn]

I think overall the prices were a bit down.. Some cars that I thought would bid high did not and others where i figured no one wanted were up in the clouds.. I cant figure it out

[MosportGreen66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----What about the LS6 that sold for over $200,000? I didn't see it but a friend told me about it last night......Bill S </div></div>

I figured I would mispeak... very tough to see everything. If I could edit the above I would. I don't think I even saw the red LS6? The Blue LS6 was a parts catalog.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was #1301 the Red/Blk Vtop LS-6 Chevelle that sold $240K.*
#1310 Mulsanne Blue LS-6 Chevelle sold $180K.*
#1430 Yellow LS-6 sold $110K.*
#1054 Shadow Grey LS-6 Chevelle Bench seat Auto on column sold for $101,200 WITH FEES.
*all these prices don't include auction fees.

</div></div>

Noted.

Dan

[SS427]

Dan, which 69 Z28 was yours that sold for $80? Was it the LeMans Blue car?

[MosportGreen66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan, which 69 Z28 was yours that sold for $80? Was it the LeMans Blue car?
</div></div>

Lot 1044.1 - hammer was $85k

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Media/Hom...-cars-to-watch/ (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Media/Home/Reader/barrett-jackson-automotive-experts-team-2017-scottsdale-auction-symposiums-cars-to-watch/)

https://barrett-jackson.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?lid=33676089

[Charley Lillard]

Lot 1016.1 - 1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
$66,000.00* No Reserve Scottsdale 2017
Excellent condition. Matching-numbers LS6 454/450hp engine with a 4-speed manual transmission. One repaint. In the LS6 Registry, photocopy of the Build Sheet and documented owner history. From the Charlie Thomas Collection.
1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
Lot 1054 - 1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
$101,200.00* No Reserve Scottsdale 2017
This LS6 was a one-owner car until 2014 and has 7,000 original miles(mileage not indicated on title).LS6 454ci engine, 400 Turbo automatic transmission and 410 12-bolt posi-traction rear end. Original Build Sheet included.
1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
Lot 1301 - 1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
$264,000.00* No Reserve Scottsdale 2017
Original engine, M22 manual 4-speed transmission and 4:10 rear. Three Build Sheets. Cranberry Red with black buckets. Only test miles since well-documented rotisserie restoration in 2013.
1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
Lot 1310 - 1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
$198,000.00* No Reserve Scottsdale 2017
Documented. Special-order COPO with rare Mulsanne Blue paint. M22 4-speed manual transmission. Factory ZL2 cowl induction hood. Painstakingly restored to original specs. 2016 Goodguys Muscle Car of the Year finalist. Outstanding paint.
1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
Lot 1430 - 1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
$110,000.00* No Reserve Scottsdale 2017
An exceptional nut-and-bolt rotisserie restoration was completed in 2008. Heavily documented LS6 COPO with the ultra-rare and desirable LS6 454/450hp engine and close-ratio M22 4-speed manual transmission.

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan, which 69 Z28 was yours that sold for $80? Was it the LeMans Blue car?
</div></div>

Lot 1044.1 - hammer was $85k
https://barrett-jackson.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?lid=33676089 </div></div>

I believe that was the Z28 that my customer bought. He was very happy with it. I saw the sale on TV and recognized he and his son.

[RPOLS3]

Observations from a couple of first timers and non-bidders (my brother and I are just car guys and we went for the spectacle from Thu-Sun):

- If you are a car guy - this is definitely a must see event.
- While Barrett is certainly the Big Dog and has the carnival/circus atmosphere, we thought it was a well run event with plenty of staff and a great location where you could get inside out of the weather. After 3 days of walking around we still ran into things we did not see previously, cars or otherwise. Plenty of washrooms, good food vendors, transportation, security, etc. Well thought out.
- We were able to also go to Russo &amp; Steele Friday morning, the Pavillions on Saturday early afternoon, and some other attractions around the area - we'd highly recommend this to really get the full effect of auction week.
- We were surprised at the lack of bidders in the evenings. On Thursday night they were telling non bidders to come in and sit in the bidders area, assumingly to fill seats for the TV coverage so it did not appear that there was no one there. We were able to sit in the 3rd row. We were also surprised that on Friday night there did not seem to be as many cars breaking above the $100k barrier - where it seemed in the past it was just the opposite - that not many on Friday night were under that $100k amount. We did not keep a spreadsheet to scientifically prove this but that was our perception. After the Steven Tyler car went off the place kind of emptied out.
- Not sure what to say about the prices, other than a lot of the people we talked too said their perception was that they were off 20-30%. Reasons we heard......maybe the supply and demand curve is changing, maybe a strong stock market, maybe it is just the normal fluctuation, maybe, this event in the past artificially inflated prices due to poorly informed non-car guys with some money paying more than market to get in the game, maybe there are more people like us that are there for the spectacle and not to buy or sell.
- As for us - we really enjoyed it and will probably make the trip again. The cars were great, but the people we were able to meet and talk to is what we enjoyed the most.

[Luvchevs]

Thanks for the post Charley.
Interesting range of prices on LS6 cars! They all sound good in the descriptions and they all look good on TV!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lot 1016.1 - 1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
$66,000.00* No Reserve Scottsdale 2017
Excellent condition. Matching-numbers LS6 454/450hp engine with a 4-speed manual transmission. One repaint. In the LS6 Registry, photocopy of the Build Sheet and documented owner history. From the Charlie Thomas Collection.
1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
Lot 1054 - 1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
$101,200.00* No Reserve Scottsdale 2017
This LS6 was a one-owner car until 2014 and has 7,000 original miles(mileage not indicated on title).LS6 454ci engine, 400 Turbo automatic transmission and 410 12-bolt posi-traction rear end. Original Build Sheet included.
1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
Lot 1301 - 1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
$264,000.00* No Reserve Scottsdale 2017
Original engine, M22 manual 4-speed transmission and 4:10 rear. Three Build Sheets. Cranberry Red with black buckets. Only test miles since well-documented rotisserie restoration in 2013.
1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
Lot 1310 - 1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
$198,000.00* No Reserve Scottsdale 2017
Documented. Special-order COPO with rare Mulsanne Blue paint. M22 4-speed manual transmission. Factory ZL2 cowl induction hood. Painstakingly restored to original specs. 2016 Goodguys Muscle Car of the Year finalist. Outstanding paint.
1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
Lot 1430 - 1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE LS6
$110,000.00* No Reserve Scottsdale 2017
An exceptional nut-and-bolt rotisserie restoration was completed in 2008. Heavily documented LS6 COPO with the ultra-rare and desirable LS6 454/450hp engine and close-ratio M22 4-speed manual transmission. </div></div>

[Luvchevs]

Sorry to hear your Z didn't bring the $ you were expecting. I do remember watching it go over the block and Jerry M did try to promote it as being a really nice Z from what I recall. I guess most of the buyers are like me not very educated on what is original, NOS vs aftermarket and just buy what they like the looks of? I really did like how your car looked and I thought the colour combo with the vinyl roof looked awesome! I prefer cars with the ZL2 hood and the spoilers but that is just a personally preference.

I am surprised that BJ can find so many people willing to sell their cars at no reserve. It must be nerve racking watching your car go over the block!

[1969l78]

That LS6 that sold for $66,000 sounds like a great deal?

[black69]

I saw one mopar do well (like the yellow 440 4 spd bird). $200K I think. That seemed healthy.

Corvette resto mods did very well (yr after yr). That is where the money is.

I can't watch BJ live on TV, the commercials dominate too much. Even when reviewing the recording, there is so little to review compared to the cars that go through, it really a shame. I am 100% ready to stop having the Velocity channel on my cable bill, all I do is really pay for commercials and not enough real content (sorry for the rant).

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969l78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That LS6 that sold for $66,000 sounds like a great deal? </div></div>

It has many issues &amp; incorrect parts on it,and the paint looks to be tinted wrong to be Autumn Gold to me.Heard it wasn't it's original born with engine.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1970-CHEVROLET-CHEVELLE-LS6--200011

I saw it sell @ Mecum Kissimmee under lot#F215 in 2013 for $68,900 &amp; that was believed to be too kind.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427.060</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was funny how many cars were &quot;bid&quot; up then lowered. One in particular was the General Motors Intimidator Monte Carlo. It went up to $50K, down to around $30K, down to $20K, up to $30K and sold at $25K. When the high bidder bid $25K the bid then went to $30K. They kept trying to get the guy to bid more then $30K. When he wouldn't bid any more they dropped it back to $25K and sold it to him.
James </div></div>

They spent way too much time on this car. It wasn't going to bring more than 25k but they spent another 5 minutes on it. And you couldn't drive it on the roads.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Corvette resto mods did very well (yr after yr). That is where the money is.

</div></div>

Take a stock corvette, paint it monochrome, put an LS motor in it and some billet parts and an aftermarket frame and it will bring 100K more than a stock resto. Looks like the easiest way to make money.

[RPOLS3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427.060</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was funny how many cars were &quot;bid&quot; up then lowered. One in particular was the General Motors Intimidator Monte Carlo. It went up to $50K, down to around $30K, down to $20K, up to $30K and sold at $25K. When the high bidder bid $25K the bid then went to $30K. They kept trying to get the guy to bid more then $30K. When he wouldn't bid any more they dropped it back to $25K and sold it to him.
James </div></div>

They spent way too much time on this car. It wasn't going to bring more than 25k but they spent another 5 minutes on it. And you couldn't drive it on the roads.

</div></div>

We were surprised that B-J thought it was a Saturday prime time worthy car.

Not sure if was mentioned on the TV coverage or not but that car actually started out as a Grand Prix - not even a Monte Carlo.

[MosportGreen66]

Speaking of which... tough to understand how the '70 Hemi Challenger clone convertible that started life a COUPE was a prime time saturday afternoon car?

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RPOLS3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427.060</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was funny how many cars were &quot;bid&quot; up then lowered. One in particular was the General Motors Intimidator Monte Carlo. It went up to $50K, down to around $30K, down to $20K, up to $30K and sold at $25K. When the high bidder bid $25K the bid then went to $30K. They kept trying to get the guy to bid more then $30K. When he wouldn't bid any more they dropped it back to $25K and sold it to him.
James </div></div>

They spent way too much time on this car. It wasn't going to bring more than 25k but they spent another 5 minutes on it. And you couldn't drive it on the roads.

</div></div>

We were surprised that B-J thought it was a Saturday prime time worthy car.

Not sure if was mentioned on the TV coverage or not but that car actually started out as a Grand Prix - not even a Monte Carlo.

</div></div>

I caught that too.
They did mention it on air,as well as it's mentioned in it's description here.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/E...SHOW-CAR-201598 (https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1997-CHEVROLET-MONTE-CARLO-INTIMIDATOR-SHOW-CAR-201598)

[1969l78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969l78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That LS6 that sold for $66,000 sounds like a great deal? </div></div>

It has many issues &amp; incorrect parts on it,and the paint looks to be tinted wrong to be Autumn Gold to me.Heard it wasn't it's original born with engine.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1970-CHEVROLET-CHEVELLE-LS6--200011

I saw it sell @ Mecum Kissimmee under lot#F215 in 2013 for $68,900 &amp; that was believed to be too kind.</div></div>

Thanks for the info. The paint looks off for sure.

[stritestoration]

I've gone the last 10+ years and I would say the prices were down. last year I thought was a bad year for quality restos. I am partial to olds and found much wrong that year. another thing was this year they moved the opening night gala to sunday night vs Monday and it was disappointing. In the past the local higher end restauraunts donate food and its a taste test of many foods from places most people would not dine at $$$$$. This year you almost had to search for something to eat, no women in fancy gowns standing around and no notable headliner music entertainment. last year they had zac brown band, brett michaels has been there to name a few. Like him or not but even craig used to give a welcome speech and I didn't see him. Its worth going just to see the eye candy and let me tell you there are PLENTY of 45+ women with non-numbers matching parts walking around. Its included in the bidders pass so It's something to do. I also hear he gets 40% of the food vendors out side plus their fee just to get in. That to me sounds greedy and explains why there isn't barely anything under $10 for lunch. I wonder, how many good cars can be left out their? I'm not the biggest street rod guy but sat eve I almost raised my hand to the ex-Jimmy Shine famous hot rod truck. If you know so-cal speed shop then you know the truck, blown flathead etc. It hammered for $87 and sold last year for $250!! It is fun to get away although where I'm from it was warmer here then there Saturday.

[427.060]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RPOLS3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427.060</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was funny how many cars were &quot;bid&quot; up then lowered. One in particular was the General Motors Intimidator Monte Carlo. It went up to $50K, down to around $30K, down to $20K, up to $30K and sold at $25K. When the high bidder bid $25K the bid then went to $30K. They kept trying to get the guy to bid more then $30K. When he wouldn't bid any more they dropped it back to $25K and sold it to him.
James </div></div>

They spent way too much time on this car. It wasn't going to bring more than 25k but they spent another 5 minutes on it. And you couldn't drive it on the roads.

</div></div>

We were surprised that B-J thought it was a Saturday prime time worthy car.

Not sure if was mentioned on the TV coverage or not but that car actually started out as a Grand Prix - not even a Monte Carlo.

</div></div>

I heard them mention that it started as a Grand Prix. I also heard someone say that GM had $800,000 invested in the car.
James

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stritestoration</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...Its worth going just to see the eye candy and let me tell you there are PLENTY of 45+ women with non-numbers matching parts walking around. </div></div>

LOL I hear ya.

[black69]

Because of the corvette resto mods on BJ my wife gave me a break on selling one I (a 61) have so we can research what it would take to do it. Car is almost gone to a farmer in minnesota, but we are rethinking that deal, putting it on pause. I guess that is kinda good news.

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427.060</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I heard them mention that it started as a Grand Prix. I also heard someone say that GM had $800,000 invested in the car.
James </div></div>

And lets not forget that it could not be titled for street use for reasons I do not recall but they did explain it on TV.

[SeattleCarGuy]

I've been attending for at least 7-8 years. Always a great time. Ran into Stefano sitting across from me at the Talking Stick coffee bar. I was looking at Facebook on my phone, had just seen a post of his and looked up and he was right in front of me.

I thought the prices were a bit soft too. Tons of people, great cars, and a great time, but prices soft or getting back to normal?

Outliers were definitely the Mulsanne Blue LS6 at $180k and the Red LS6 at $240k. How do you explain the $240k?

Some of my favorites:

A Hugger Orange '69Z hammered at $125k. Beautiful car.

A '67 SS427 Impala Convertible from the Charlie Thomas collection. Far from perfect and had a later 454 in it, but it sold for only $22k. I would have bought that and enjoyed driving it in Seattle everyday from July 1st - September 15th for that money.

[Luvchevs]

Would they be considered Resto Mods? LOL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stritestoration</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...Its worth going just to see the eye candy and let me tell you there are PLENTY of 45+ women with non-numbers matching parts walking around. </div></div>

LOL I hear ya. </div></div>

[Fhakya]

Think I spotted you on the live broadcast.....Did you buy a Fiat Jolly (or something of the like)? I glanced up and thought I spotted your face.

[Charley Lillard]

It has a little more power than a Jolly.

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[Postsedan]

&quot;Outliers were definitely the Mulsanne Blue LS6 at $180k and the Red LS6 at $240k. How do you explain the $240k?&quot;

Very Easy, I can explain that in 5 words.....Chris White, simply the Best!

Dan

[Xplantdad]

Some info for you that was shared with me by the marketing folks at Barrett-Jackson:





* 2017 Scottsdale sales totaled $102.4 million (unaudited)with a 99.5-percent sell-through rate-and raised nearly $2.2 million for charity during the Scottsdale Auction.

* Barrett-Jackson consigned 1,719 vehicles, the most in the company's 46-year history, set 40 world auction sales records, including the sale of Kindig-It Design's 1965 Volkswagen Type II 21-Window Deluxe Bus (Lot #1315) that sold for $302,500.

* The impressive Charlie Thomas Collection, featuring 146 vehicles, sold for a combined total of just over $1.7 million.(Or if you break it down to the average price he got per vehicle it was $11,644-this added by me)

* Over 1,800 automobilia pieces sold for more than $2.5 million, including an extremely rare 1960s Esso Aviation porcelain neon airport hangar sign (Lot #9487), which sold for $82,250.

* Approximately 320,000 people attended this year's auction

* To date, Barrett-Jackson has raised over $93 million for local and national charities.

The top cars sold in Scottsdale include:

* 1964 Aston Martin DB5 (Lot #1397) - $1,485,000
* 1960 Chevrolet Engineering Research Vehicle (CERV) 1 (Lot #1390) - $1,320,000
* 1930 Duesenberg J Dual-Cowl Phaeton (Lot #1378) - $880,000
* 2005 Porsche Carrera GT (Lot #1396) - $616,000
* 1965 Shelby GT350 Fastback (Lot #1365) - $445,500
* Justin Bieber's 2011 Ferrari 458 Italia (Lot #1372) - $434,500
* 1963 Chevrolet Corvette 327/360 Split-Window &quot;Fuelie&quot; (Lot #1393) - $385,000
* 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429 (Lot #1400) - $385,000
* 1932 Rolls-Royce Roadster (Lot #1382) - $341,000
* 2015 Ferrari F12 Berlinetta (Lot #1374) - $330,000
* 1964 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 (Lot #1399) - $330,000

[markinnaples]

Really cool buggy Charlie. Is that a one of a kind custom made one? I cannot imagine how fast it is with that drivetrain in something that light, whew.

Funny how that Kindig VW bus isn't even a real 21 window version. Is this the start of clones of those now?

[Charley Lillard]

Ford EX (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/2001-FORD-EX-CONCEPT-CUSTOM-200696)

[dykstra]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Ford EX (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/2001-FORD-EX-CONCEPT-CUSTOM-200696) </div></div>



Very cool!!

[markinnaples]

That thing is going to be some fun off roading.

[olredalert]

----Now you are just rubbing it in!.......Bill S

[Bill Pritchard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny how that Kindig VW bus isn't even a real 21 window version. Is this the start of clones of those now? </div></div>

Considering the fact that many of them are bringing six figures now, I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.

Another thing I would not be surprised to see is Burt Reynolds buying up clapped out mid to late 70's Trans Ams, paying someone $100K to restore them to a high level, and selling them for $200K+ <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[EZ Nova]

I sorta think this is more of &quot;THE REAL&quot; market numbers and the inflated ones that we have grown to accept? I personally never have thought ANY of the SB Trans Am cars are worth anything near what people are asking! It's just the follow the leader type of thing. Or maybe one of the older guys HAD one when they were new, and now has the $$$ where is gets what he wants due solely to sentimental value.

One thing NO ONE has seem to touch on is, YES BJ is the BIG SHOW, BUT also there Scottsdale show IS THERE BIG SHOW??? So the FLA show the prices should be down another 15 to 20% from this one.

I have been to BJ back in 2011 for a couple days, and new been to R&amp;S so I can't comment. Need to see what the prices at some of the other major shows do to set prices? I also wonder if the reason the prices are dropping is the high dollar, BIG money collectors like Pratt and Thomas are dumping their collections and other big dollar guys might be doing the same, or NOT buying?? Again the &quot;monkey-see, monkey-do&quot; herd mentality? It's no longer fun or viable and the guys that WOULD overspend and set the benchmarks are not? This means the hobby might be reverting back to the upper-middle class cars guys to set more realistic prices?

The Thomas 67 SS427 convert and Tom &quot;Wilma's boys&quot; Nova @ 67K, the $66K LS-6 Chevelle might just be the new benchmarks for for REAL value as that's what society is saying these are worth? The demographic is changing. The &quot;younger&quot; buyers, LIKE MYSELF who is only 50 yrs old, are not as emotional towards them as the older guys that might have had one, or seen them new and always wanted one.

I know there are alot of people that do not like what I'm saying, SORRY. But I DO NOT feel, the &quot;plain-Jane&quot; COPO cars or the Boss 302, '69 Z28 or the Mopar 340 ^pack cars are worth any where near what people WERE getting for them.

Then you can get into the whole NUMBERS MATCHING or BORN WITH debacle and is it REALLY BORN WITH or restamped?????

[the427king]

When a car goes through the auction and the price is lower than expected ,most people say its because the market is down and this is the new market price/world we live in. When a car goes for a very high dollar amount, its stated that barrett jackson is full of drunks and speculators and doesnt reflect the real world pricing . Cant have it both ways.

[black69]

It is hard to predict the influence of the Italian cars and the German cars (Porsche) going up so fast, as far as making some pause on buying a stock appearing musclecar. I do think it takes some money out of the tent that could have gone to 80-150K range musclecars.

[olredalert]

----It seems as though you guys are putting too much emphasis on Scottsdale auctions, and B-J in particular. Its worth considering the two Mecum auctions (Kissimee and Indy) as a better market judge. I'm not saying Mecum is higher or lower but a bigger number of good cars to make a judgement on. I was just there and felt the cars overall were generally better quality than I used to see at B-J......Bill S

[Craig_Maiorana]

I have always felt that the Mecum results were more realistic. To me BJ just has a circus atmosphere. I went in 2013 and when the Batmobile crossed the block you couldn't even see the car with all of the &quot;Look at me i'm on tv&quot; people standing on the block

[Charley Lillard]

They are auctions...Prices are all over the place. There were great deals to be had if you were patient. That is what auctions are all about.

[the427king]

Bottom line is anyone selling a car will reference the highest price they can fuind at auction, and those in the market to buy will reference the lowest price they can find. Reality is somewhere in between.

[mr 707]

auction prices are always going to be all over the place. I like iron clad documentation,

[ruc]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When a car goes through the auction and the price is lower than expected ,most people say its because the market is down and this is the new market price/world we live in. When a car goes for a very high dollar amount, its stated that barrett jackson is full of drunks and speculators and doesnt reflect the real world pricing . Cant have it both ways. </div></div>

Good Point

[watk69]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was at BJ all week selling my '69 Z28 with my brother and Mr. Boone. We had the best '69 Z28 there by a landslide with the most forthright presentation revealing all numbers and info good or bad. Original motor and diff. Not hit body on original sheet metal. Our car did $85k on the block. Very soft #. BJ told us it would do $120k. </div></div>

Your car was spectacular and the one I told my buddies that made the most sense out of all the Z's there. Rare combo of 4.10 gears, wide ratio box, and original drivetrain. Were you ever able to verify if an M20 was ordered with the car originally?

[Zman1969]

I didnt go this year but watched alot, seems like Reggie J. (Mr October) sold alot of nice cars and was surprised they didnt bring so much

[CamarosRus]

Which Red/ Black Convert Top was painted just last year at
shop in BC Canada.
Same Red/Blk LS-6 being written about at B/J
How was paint ???
Owner/Seller of LS-6 related to me in Email
how he felt shop gouged him on paint and small repairs.
I want(ed) to take my 70 Z28 there for paint
but shop owner quoted me very high price (even in CDN $$)

[watk69]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zman1969</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didnt go this year but watched alot, seems like Reggie J. (Mr October) sold alot of nice cars and was surprised they didnt bring so much </div></div>

I appreciate the man and his accomplishments, and the fact he is a car nut, but most of what I have seen at auction of his has been mediocre with only a few bright spots. Same with some of Hendrick's auction wares.

[olredalert]

----Chuck,,,If you are talking about the $240,000 red LS6 it was a hardtop.

[Xplantdad]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CamarosRus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which Red/ Black Convert Top was painted just last year at
shop in BC Canada.
Same Red/Blk LS-6 being written about at B/J
How was paint ???
Owner/Seller of LS-6 related to me in Email
how he felt shop gouged him on paint and small repairs.
I want(ed) to take my 70 Z28 there for paint
but shop owner quoted me very high price (even in CDN $$) </div></div>

Not the same LS6, Chuck! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan, which 69 Z28 was yours that sold for $80? Was it the LeMans Blue car?
</div></div>

Lot 1044.1 - hammer was $85k

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Media/Hom...-cars-to-watch/ (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Media/Home/Reader/barrett-jackson-automotive-experts-team-2017-scottsdale-auction-symposiums-cars-to-watch/)

https://barrett-jackson.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?lid=33676089 </div></div>


If you would have added the &quot;standard equipment&quot; spoilers &amp; cowl hood it would have went over $100K.. lol Sorry I couldnt resist.. Seems like every Z you see at an auction is the typical cowl hood and spoiler car... Yours is an amazing looking ride. Someone got a hell of a deal.

[ds1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When a car goes through the auction and the price is lower than expected ,most people say its because the market is down and this is the new market price/world we live in. When a car goes for a very high dollar amount, its stated that barrett jackson is full of drunks and speculators and doesnt reflect the real world pricing . Cant have it both ways. </div></div>

Prices are to high. There are some exceptional cars that deserve more money. But as a whole things got out of control. I am sticking to that.

[MosportGreen66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you would have added the &quot;standard equipment&quot; spoilers &amp; cowl hood it would have went over $100K.. lol Sorry I couldnt resist.. Seems like every Z you see at an auction is the typical cowl hood and spoiler car... Yours is an amazing looking ride. Someone got a hell of a deal. </div></div>

I'd never do that. I'm an honest purist. Adding options is not for me.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: watk69</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Your car was spectacular and the one I told my buddies that made the most sense out of all the Z's there. Rare combo of 4.10 gears, wide ratio box, and original drivetrain. Were you ever able to verify if an M20 was ordered with the car originally? </div></div>

Thank you. M20 was not born with but it was date code right. Car was ordered with an M21 originally.