Finally a garage again

[bilede]

I left my nice big garage at the last house 2 years ago and have been battling the new jurisdiction trying to get to build at my new place. Finally I have a permit and are starting to move forward. Here is where its going:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/tn_20170302_172713.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/tn_20170302_172713.jpg.html)

footings dug:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/tn_20170303_164702.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/tn_20170303_164702.jpg.html)

Will tag a few photos as it get built.

[COPO]

Looks like a pretty rural area. Surprised you had so much trouble with permits. Looking forward to see the build progress

[NorCam]

That's gonna be a good sized shop. Congrats and post lots of pictures. :)

[bilede]

Looks like a pretty rural area. Surprised you had so much trouble with permits. Looking forward to see the build progress


I am in a suburb of Phoenix AZ but in a small area of 5 acre parcels so it appears very rural yet 5-10 minutes to pretty much anything. Had to fight a lot of rules that work fine for HOA controlled patio homes but make no sense on 5 acre agricultural type area.

A little more info as apparently it was late last night when I posted so I must of forgot to provide anything about the new garage, It is 60x80 with 40x80 of it open ceilings and 20x80 having a 2 story layout including working bays, storage, office, guest suite, etc. Totals just under 7000 sq ft so I am so excited to have a big garage again I can hardly wait..

[Xplantdad]

Hi Bill,

Your old house was pretty cool.PM me where the new house is at. I'd love to get together...maybe you can drive our way for a BBQ, too?

[bilede]

Doing lots of research and planning to come up with my plan for this garage/space so to pass it on and share with others starting a similar plight here is the layout of the main floor:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/bottom%20floor%20layout.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/bottom%20floor%20layout.jpg.html)

Here is the top floor:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/top%20floor%20layout.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/top%20floor%20layout.jpg.html)

[mockingbird812]

Bill,

Most excellent. Love your plans and the lot is great - nice views. Bet you are chompin' at the bit to get it done. Thanks for posting and GOOD LUCK!!!

[bilede]

Footers approved and poured

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170308_174430.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170308_174430.jpg.html)

Stem wall forms in place and waiting for inspection.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170312_145529.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170312_145529.jpg.html)

[Xplantdad]

Very nice!

[dykstra]

Can't wait to see this project when it's done.

[COPO]

Looking good. Can you post a bit more info about the build such as slab thickness, and type of construction you are using? Do you have some elevation drawings to post? How long do you anticipate the construction to take?

[Jonesy]

I am starting a new one in May. 60x72 stick built with in floor heat. I sure hope its big enough. I cant wait! It will be good to follow and see how yours turns out.

[bilede]

Copo, the slab will be 4" in single story areas and 6" where 18' ceiling height to allow for heavier storage requirements and lifts. It is 2x6 stick built walls, Almost flat roof slope as to allow me to get 18' ceilings without exceeding height restrictions and keeping its overall height lower than the primary residence as I didn't want to "dwarf" the house visually.

Hi Jonesy, My last one was 50x75 and it was enough but I was always tripping over stuff on the floor so this one is a little bigger floor space but more storage up second level. I am hoping that is the sweet spot.. good luck with your build and start a thread so we can see how yours is working out as well. Like cars, we can learn from others mistakes/successes. I know I have made many of both.. ;)

Here is a front elevation:
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/front%20elevation.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/front%20elevation.jpg.html)

[Jonesy]

My old one had a 2nd story storage. Great in concept but it really sucks hauling stuff up and down the stairs. I built wider stairs for that reason but it still sucks. I am trying to build this one bigger and add a lower level area for storage with a separate door.

[Crush]

Awesome looking plan! I'm in the process of final design 30x60 w 2nd story ...can't happen fast enough!

[Xplantdad]

Hey Bill....is that my room on the second floor? :)

[bilede]

My old one had a 2nd story storage. Great in concept but it really sucks hauling stuff up and down the stairs. I built wider stairs for that reason but it still sucks. I am trying to build this one bigger and add a lower level area for storage with a separate door.


I took that into consideration from experience at my last shop and the main portion of storage upstairs is open to below so if stairs isn't appropriate, I either stack items on my 4 post extra tall lift and raise to max height right next to the second level and unload or use my tractor with forklift attachment and set it off on second floor level..

[bilede]

Hey Bill....is that my room on the second floor? :)

lol.. I think your family might miss you!

[bilede]

Concrete is just about done.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170329_175341.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170329_175341.jpg.html)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170329_175401.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170329_175401.jpg.html)

[mockingbird812]

Most excellent Bill!

[Xplantdad]

Looking good!

[COPO]

Thanks for posting the additional details. Looking forward to following your build.

[bilede]

The big wall is standing:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170401_175756.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170401_175756.jpg.html)

Heres the cool side, 4 garages inside a garage..

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170402_162055.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170402_162055.jpg.html)

[m22mike]

WOW, that is going to be sweet. :biggthumpup:

Mike

[mockingbird812]

That looks VAST! Lovin' it!!!

[The Boss]

This is very cool - following.

[HawkX66]

I love the garages within the garage. Great idea.

[bilede]

We got the floor trusses in place. Closest area is a studio area. In middle you can see gap where stairs will come up. Past that is all second floor storage. Truss engineer built them to hold 100 psf instead of std 30 so they are pretty solid.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170405_185324.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170405_185324.jpg.html)

[bilede]

Second story floor is on. Post and beams for next level starting. South end walls going up..

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170408_163243.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170408_163243.jpg.html)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170408_163019.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170408_163019.jpg.html)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170408_162903.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170408_162903.jpg.html)

[Xplantdad]

Very nice!

[mockingbird812]

Lovin' it Bill. Sturdy and functional!!

[ne70ss]

Wow

[bilede]

A few days delay on the project but some work on the second floor walls.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170414_185837.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170414_185837.jpg.html)

Here is a pic looking down from studio area on second floor. Doesn't look too big until you see my 15 yr old son at the far end walking in and the building starts to dwarfs him.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170415_130156.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170415_130156.jpg.html)

[L_e_e]

Wow!!!

[NorCam]

{------- is Jealous! :drool:

[mockingbird812]

Wait a minute Bill, when did your little fellow get to be FIFTEEN!!!!!

[enio45]

Bill, looks amazing....u sure it will be enough room !!

Congrats - will have to stop by and see it in person!

[The Boss]

Need more pictures...

[bilede]

Sorry for delay of things. Trusses are on, osb in waiting

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170419_183341.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170419_183341.jpg.html)

[bilede]

Front with sheeting on.. looks like a box. well, sort of is.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170426_183428.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170426_183428.jpg.html)

[bilede]

some of the inside:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170426_183637.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170426_183637.jpg.html)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j10/bilede/20170426_183725.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/bilede/media/20170426_183725.jpg.html)

[COPO]

Wow, it's really coming along. Well done.

[mockingbird812]

Nice!!! What will this fine building be housing? Do you still have the CS Deuce?

[Xplantdad]

Beautiful!

[The Boss]

Very nice and a clean job site too!

Why the flat roof over a pitched one? Don't you have to carry increased loads for rain water?

[bilede]

Hi Sam, still have the deuce so it will be in there for sure.

The Boss. The flat roof is for several reasons. First, the primary residence is next to this large building and I didn't want it to be a larger focal point on the lot so believe it or not, this building is shorter. Second, I have the idea to run a solar array on the roof to run AC and power needs so hopefully keep the utility bills down some. This is a basic commercial style roof which should hold up pretty nicely and keep the rain off of the occupancy just fine.

Thanks for the nice comments!

[NorCam]

Front with sheeting on.. looks like a box. well, sort of is.



Well it's gonna be a nice box...that's for sure. Hope you have plans to add some gas pumps between those canopy pillars?

Things are coming along nicely there. :cool2:

[mockingbird812]

Nice collection NORCAM!!!

[The Boss]

How's it going?

Any new pictures?

[COPO]

Yes, updated pics.

[Atuckman]

great looking. use it well

[Zman1969]

Gotta love a house (big) sized shop! loving this

[NorCam]

How's that shop coming along Bill. If need be, email me some pics and I will post them up for you?

PM for my email address.

[wheelhop]

this thread is very, very frustrating without pics!

[bilede]

Sorry for delays, with photof*cket (family friendly) trying to extort money this thread became frustrating. I understand raising your fees or starting to charge on free accounts but wouldn't you think it would be moving forward and not retroactive back to day one. I guess they will get their karma somehow..

So since I have no idea where I left off because I can't see any photos I am going to attach one with basically how it looks today. I am doing electrical and plumbing currently but that isn't real exciting to photograph so take my word for it.. All outside doors are now on so outside needs some finishing touches to building and landscaping but otherwise fairly complete.. Inside fun begins..

[NorCam]

Wow...looking really good Bill. I like the art deco styling along the roofline. Just as an FYI..last pictures showed the interior framing and the garage openings within the shop.

Me's very jealous. ;)

[bilede]

The top was a concession with my better half that said the big box must have architectural links to main house. See attached you will see tops of the columns, etc.. have similar style.. out of the whole project she wanted the pop outs at top of walls and columns, a door with a texas star, awnings above windows(not on yet), and the front garage door had to be "special". I looked at copper, wood, you name it but found a local company that uses r20 insulated heavy garage door and puts a rusted and sealed panel on each section to get the look you can see in the previoius picture. she signed off and all I can say is it was cheaper than copper (ouch).

[enio45]

I like the look, very clean and complimentary to the house!

[NorCam]

Very nice Bill, and I get the importance of the wife's input all too well. I drew up some plans for a new shop I want to build here and my wife wants the structure to match the brick on the house and for the jumbo cedar shake roof to match also. I amended the drawings to include a good comparison so it matches the house architecture and styling.

It will be built left and setback from the house at the back end of the left driveway. Hopefully in 2018 we'll get started with it.

https://preview.ibb.co/mhbV2b/IMG_2248.jpg (https://ibb.co/e85ONb)

https://preview.ibb.co/fQrPTG/2400_Shop.jpg (https://ibb.co/esGr8G)

[bilede]

Thats going to be really nice Norcam. Beautiful home and landscaping too. Your going to put the gas pumps and all out front? I thought about it because I wanted the portico to look like my granddads gas station from the 30s but the town council said I cant look commercial and that would be too much.. I may wait a while and do it anyways.. :)

Thanks Eddie! The house is more tuscan style with lots of columns and such. Not italian but its my favorite food so I think thats the relation that drew me in.. lol..

[Crush]

These are great. Here is mine. Be curious to hear about floor, heat and light choices

[NorCam]

Yes Bill...plans are to finish it complete with a station front, overhead canopy and pump island.

Right now I have my gas pumps and station lights displayed inside and would like to move them to the exterior. Had 18 pumps at one point. (lol)

[NorCam]

For lighting in my current garage and shop I've been using T5 daylight fluorescent fixtures and bulbs. My buddies kid is a sparky and we're planning to convert over to LED whenever I start the new build. As far as heating goes, I have forced air H/E ceiling furnaces in the current shops but will likely go with an in floor boiler when this new shop gets started.

I know you're in Cali so do you even need heat other than a hot water tank? Or do you only plan on a water heater and Air Conditioning because you don't need heat?

[bilede]

Here is a pic I took today to bring the thread up to date. I have 18 4' LED's for the main bay. will have 8 in work area and then go from there. Not hung since no drywall yet but they seem quite bright as I have a few hanging around I can turn on at night. I have t8's in my attached garage and they work pretty good but trying to keep from browning out the neighbors when I flip a switch..

[Xplantdad]

Very nice Bill!:biggthumpup:

[Crush]

Here is a pic I took today to bring the thread up to date. I have 18 4' LED's for the main bay. will have 8 in work area and then go from there. Not hung since no drywall yet but they seem quite bright as I have a few hanging around I can turn on at night. I have t8's in my attached garage and they work pretty good but trying to keep from browning out the neighbors when I flip a switch..

Love the Jeep, is that an 05 Rubicon Inlimited?

[bilede]

Yes, best Jeep I have ever owned and wouldn't part with it. I put a custom 4.5" aluminum long arm lift on it and it walks through anything you point it towards. Dana 44's front and rear, 4.1 gears, lockers, 4:1 transfer case. you can get out and walk beside the thing it tractors so slow.. Love it..

[Crush]

Yes, best Jeep I have ever owned and wouldn't part with it. I put a custom 4.5" aluminum long arm lift on it and it walks through anything you point it towards. Dana 44's front and rear, 4.1 gears, lockers, 4:1 transfer case. you can get out and walk beside the thing it tractors so slow.. Love it..

Yep agree as I have 2!!

[Jonesy]

I did the LED's in my new garage too. I really like them except for the price.

[bilede]

Well, a lot of things happen and they are not worthy of pics, ie. electrical, plumbing, septic tank, etc.. that is all complete and now we got in the insulation. R38 in ceilings throughout building. on top of roof I have insulation board on outside of deck so that really helps with heat transfer from what I have seen so far. outside walls should be around r26. I insulated even between floors to reduce noise and I may make additional climate controlled space separate from the surrounding areas and its will be ready..

[mockingbird812]

I love insulation and it WILL take care of you. Nice job w/ R38!:biggthumpup:

You got to be stoked Bill!

[Xplantdad]

Looking good Bill!

[bilede]

Making more progress. Drywall is going up!

[bilede]

some new pictures. Drywall is all in. Good thing I don't get paid for pictures as a couple of these are dark but I think you get the picture.. pun intended..

[m22mike]

Nice....:biggthumpup:

[NorCam]

Man that's a lot of boarding. My neck would be seized up after that :)

[Xplantdad]

Looking good Bill!

[The Boss]

Man that's a lot of boarding. My neck would be seized up after that :)

Funny I was thinking the same thing - that's a lot of rock!

I built an indoor basketball court for a customer of mine once and used high impact sheetrock on it that was amazing! If/when I build another garage for myself I'll use that stuff in there for sure.

[Burd]

Man that's a lot of boarding. My neck would be seized up after that :)

Worse. The tapeing.Nice garage

[mockingbird812]

Nice progress Bill. What a show-case/work shop. keep the pix coming!!!:biggthumpup:

[bilede]

Garage is now taped and textured.. paint is next!

[redone000]

Just read your thread. Wow, that is a real garage.

[bilede]

So I did the square footage, ceiling height, etc in a couple of lighting estimators online a while back and they estimated I needed between 30 and 36, 5000 lumin lights. I decided to put in 3 circuits of 3 outlets in the center of the main bay so a total of 9 which I can run 4 lights easily from each equaling the 36 required. I hung six of the lights to assist in my work schedule as once dark I was on portable lighting to do any work after sundown.

I believe if I put up all 36 lights I am going to be doing the a clark griswold when he turns on the exterior christmas lights on christmas vacation movie. Blinding and the local power company calling immmediately afterwards. Is this others experience as well??

here are a couple pics. It was pitch black outside when these were taken.

[mockingbird812]

Cool beans Bill. My experience..........you-----can-----not----have----too----much-----lighting! When you put stuff in there, it will absorb light and create shadows. Placement of the lighting is critical to minimize shadowing which is a pain to work in.

[Crush]

So I did the square footage, ceiling height, etc in a couple of lighting estimators online a while back and they estimated I needed between 30 and 36, 5000 lumin lights. I decided to put in 3 circuits of 3 outlets in the center of the main bay so a total of 9 which I can run 4 lights easily from each equaling the 36 required. I hung six of the lights to assist in my work schedule as once dark I was on portable lighting to do any work after sundown.

I believe if I put up all 36 lights I am going to be doing the a clark griswold when he turns on the exterior christmas lights on christmas vacation movie. Blinding and the local power company calling immmediately afterwards. Is this others experience as well??

here are a couple pics. It was pitch black outside when these were taken.
I’ll be posting some pics of my project soon, but curious on your lights, LED? What size? Did you put 6” concrete? What are you going to coat your floor with?
Thx

[bilede]

The lights are 4' LED, motorola brand, I believe it was 4700 lumins each. you can link them together for longer lengths.

Yes, 6" 3600psi concrete. I have not decided what to do with floor yet, what are you thinking? Because of the size, everything I see is quite expensive. I can tile or carpet it for the price of epoxy coatings and such from what I see so far. lol..

[NorCam]

Just a suggestion but I've been using Racedeck flow-thru tiles for years now. I've done a couple garage's in these 12" snap in tiles and people always comment how much they like the designs and how nice they are to walk on. Usually I add a two tone colored border and/or a inlaid design or two using silver, graphite and black tiles but these come in multiple colors. They run about $2.50 a square foot and are easy to pattern, design and install on any floor. Amazon has free shipping on these for Prime members or Race Deck ships direct from Utah at reasonable rates.

https://image.ibb.co/iV0LL8/Cabinets.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/jjfFno/IMG_0040.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/d6YPf8/IMG_0041.jpg

[Crush]

I have looked at epoxy but now just considering a dye in the concrete with a sealer applied. Looking at options next week.
I’m curious how much power you have in your garages in terms of amps?
Also do you heat and cool, if so any suggestions on systems?

[The Boss]

You can do radiant in the slab if you haven't poured it yet - it is a beautiful heat that you feel through your whole body and you can run it with a gas on demand water heater if you have natural gas in the street or use propane.

[Bernhard]

Garage is now taped and textured.. paint is next!

WOW
I thought my buddies garage was insane this is on the next level.
Very Very Nice!!
What are your plans for the inside?

[bilede]

Sorry, I am a little slow at responding here.

Crush, I have different issues here for cooling and heating than you in michigan. So far I have nothing on my building except for super well insulated. R21 garage doors with seperation between metal inside/outside panels, R11 roofing insulation on outside of roof sheating are two that are huge. I was in my small attic space yesterday with 108 outside it was 88 inside and underside of sheathing was not hot to the touch at all. I open doors for an hour or so at night to let cool night air in and its holding it pretty well through the day so far. Eventually I will put AC on it but it won't take much to keep cool. I don't worry about heating for the most part in the desert. My family says I built a big yeti but that was sort of the idea.

Bernhard, It is just a plain work shop, garage, storage on inside. No extravagant plans for show or anything. I have trailers, cars, tractors, and other toys to consume space below. Loft will have a desk area and the rest storage for all the items that clutter your floor space usually below.

Thanks for all the encouragement! I will get up some more pics soon.

[bilede]

Getting some flooring into the building. Commercial carpet on the loft/storage area, full flake epoxy stuff on garage floor areas and stem walls, and vinyl plank looks like wood but supposed to be very durable and water resistant for the living areas. vinyl is dirty in pic but you get the idea..

[Crush]

Looks great! What brand of vinyl did you use?

[mockingbird812]

Looks very nice Bill. Looking real cozy in there. I think your Deuce will be quite happy in there!:biggthumpup:

[bilede]

The vinyl plank is from costco and the brand is Golden Arowana. Went in fairly easy and price was cheap when compared to other vendors. There is nicer for sure but this is a guest house so it will work great for my use.

Funny thing, I dropped 96 boxes on my 3/4 ton duramax. just so happens that is about 3300 pounds. Single rear tires did not like that one bit.. I don't recommend it..

[Crush]

Thanks! I have looked at the racedeck that has a wood floor look . I’m almost done w mine and will post pics soon