Hurst linkage clips

[ALLZS]

On 1969 s/b hurst linkage what is correct to hold linkage rod to shifter & side cover arm to the rod

[tunes]

That would be the clip on the left.

[x77-69z28]

Absolutely

[ALLZS]

Ok thanks just wondering way the factory asembly manuel shows cotter pins ?

[fiveforty]

I was gonna reply but was not sure, did some have cotter pins on the shifter.

[earntaz]

I know for a fact that aftermarket CompPlus Hurst shifters (example) came with the clips shown on the left -- they did not use cotter pins. The clips can be a pain in the south-end to install and sometimes go a-flyin' -- that's why there are Hurst shifters out there with cotter pins ... and they rattle like an SOB ... TAZ :beers:

[Steve Shauger]

Original were cotter pin and wave washer. I'm not referring to after market Hurst.

[earntaz]

Original were cotter pin and wave washer. I'm not referring to after market Hurst.

Must be before the late 60s ... every aftermarket Hurst I have seen/installed had the clips ... TAZ

[ALLZS]

Thats correct i am working with a factory installed hurst 4 speed shifter not a after market unit

[Steve Shauger]

Thats correct i am working with a factory installed hurst 4 speed shifter not a after market unit

The factory shifters and trans levers also incorporated rubber grommets at the rod connections to minimize noise. Aftermarket shifters used bushings and clips.

[rszmjt]

Both hurst clip shown and cotter pin are not assembly line installed in 69. Original cars used a clip that is flat on 1 side and had a bulge on the other, some call them hair clips. They also used a very thin machine type washer or wave washer (as Steve posted )to prevent the clip from tearing up the rubber bushing/grommet that was moulded/poured onto shifter arms, the rubber grommets were non removable. I have taken many original 69 Camaros apart in the last 50 years and in fact my 69 RSZ has such, it was untouched when I bought it in 74. Guy I work for has 2 69,s and a 20 km survivor and they are the same. The hurst clip shown is aftermarket item, and cotter pins were never used. Original part number for clip was changed/superseded to the hurst type generic clip shown in the late 70,s I believe .

[Steve Shauger]

I can't say every 1969 car with a factory hurst shifter was configured this way, but what I recall and backed up by the assembly manual is the following:

Rod end, wave washer, lever (shifter or trans), flat washer and last cotter pin.

Rszmit the hair pin clip you reference I've only seen holding the reverse lockout lever rod.
The assembly manually is not always accurate, but in this case it represents what I have seen.

I've looked at hundreds of survivor cars as well.

[rszmjt]

Thanks Steve, Yes I know that you have seen lots of survivor cars, and I respect your opinion greatly. I wonder if it was a early/late production thing? my car is 06A Z28 Norwood and the others are 06A COPO Norwood, 08? L89 Norwood, and also 2- 70,s 02B LA, and 05E Norwood. I wonder why GM would just use the hairpin type clip on reverse? FWIW, I have seen lots of early and mid 70,s Camaro,s and Firebirds with this hairpin clip.

As you say assembly manual is not always accurate, but I have never seen cotter pins used in 69 up. I believe the Hurst type clip pictured by OP is a later issue deal.

I know I have some NOS hairpin type clips, will try to find them this weekend and check the part number in my earliest dated parts book which I think is 71, then repost findings.

[ALLZS]

do you have a picture of this hair pin clip ??

[Steve Shauger]

Here's a few pics of the configuration I have seen. Rod with wave washer, lever, flat washer and cotter pin. Also note the reverse lockout rod which is not attached to bellcrank has a wave washer and hairpin clip.

[Ls6 Ragtop]

Close up of hairpin clip.

[JoeC]

Some of the Camaro OEM trans levers incorporated molded on rubber bushings on the forward levers and some didn't have the rubber. I have seen them both ways on original cars

Firebird used the same lever and used the molded on rubber on the forward and Reverse levers

Camaro reverse lever does not have the rubber

The 69 Camaro AIM does not show the rubber on the trans levers but does show it on the shifter levers

The AIM shows two washers #5 P washer and #9 SPR washer

the spring washer is not used with the rubber

the spring washer was used to keep the rod tight and reduce noise and would not be needed with the rubber

the levers with no rubber , show the spring washer and plain washer and cotter pin
the levers with rubber just show the plain washer

the levers with rubber would be better to use just a flat washer as not to damage the rubber
The Hurst E clips can damage the rubber also

http://www.camaros.org/images/shifter/69AIM_M20_3.jpg

[302moz]

The cotter pin ,wave washer,flat washer is correct.For sure.You can purchase the wave washers,correct flat washers from AMK. Just purchased some 100 percent correct.