Can You Identify This 1969 Camaro

[Lee Stewart]

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[firstgenaddict]

Gotta be a style trim COPO considering I can make out the pinstripes over the wheel arches. I love how crooked the tire pressure decal is positioned.

IS it Garnet and Black?

[Lee Stewart]

Gotta be a style trim COPO considering I can make out the pinstripes over the wheel arches. I love how crooked the tire pressure decal is positioned.

IS it Garnet and Black?

Color unknown - what you see is all there is.

So it's a double COPO right? 9561 + 9737

[firstgenaddict]

appears to be sir...

[NorCam]

Also appears to have Goodyear Wide Treads on it. Were those not GM issue but later in the year?

Kids got that look that says, c'mon...I'm gonna go beat on this thing?

[1967Z28]

I think it's a red and black '69 Z and the angle/glare is obscuring the stripes.

[firstgenaddict]

I think it's a red and black '69 Z and the angle/glare is obscuring the stripes.

It's got pinstripes over the wheel arches... I thought 69 Z as well until I saw the arch pinstripes.


E70 15 Wide Tread GT's were available from the beginning of 69 Production and along with Firestone Sports Car 200's were on all 69 Z28's and COPO 9737's.

[supercomp 8.90]

looks like a flat hood.

[ZLP955]

Pity the photo angle doesn't clearly show what tailpan emblem is on there, nor framed far enough to show if there is a fender emblem forward of the side marker.....

[Lynn]

Assuming it does have a flat hood (really hard to tell, but I do not see a ducted hood in that pic) wouldn't that would rule out a COPO?

Pinstripes could have been dealer added. If the customer wanted pinstripes, even if not available on a Z/28, the dealer certainly could have added.

Did the Sport Car conversion COPO option net you the big rear bumper guards that were the same as a Z?

[NorCam]

I figure Z/28 with that flat hood and the stance which screams 4 leaf suspension. In fact I'd bet on it being a 52B X33 car myself.

[Steve Shauger]

Assuming it does have a flat hood (really hard to tell, but I do not see a ducted hood in that pic) wouldn't that would rule out a COPO?

Pinstripes could have been dealer added. If the customer wanted pinstripes, even if not available on a Z/28, the dealer certainly could have added.

Did the Sport Car conversion COPO option net you the big rear bumper guards that were the same as a Z?

The only options that had mandatory bumpet guards that I'm aware of are the Z28 and G31 rear spring option which included v32 rear bumper guards. You could have just ordered V32 bumper guards as well. Looks like a flat hood so most likely a z28. Not sure about the pinstriping...

[1967Z28]

A friend of mine had an October '68 built RS Z back in the '70s and it had the pinstripes.

[MosportGreen66]

The only options that had mandatory bumpet guards that I'm aware of are the Z28 and G31 rear spring option which included v32 rear bumper guards. You could have just ordered V32 bumper guards as well. Looks like a flat hood so most likely a z28. Not sure about the pinstriping...

Agreed... flat hood '69 Z

[William]

Not sure about the pinstriping...

Dependent on other options and when the car was built. For example very early in the model year a Z/28 with Z21 would have been built with D96 striping. Chevrolet quickly revised that. An update to the Showroom Album dated September 12, 1968 states:

"FENDER STRIPING (RPO D96, Body-side accent stripe) included with Rally-Sport and Style Trim Group. Not available with Sport Striping (SS or RPO D90). Available in combination with Front Accent Striping (RPO DX1) or with RPO Z28."

The January 2, 1969 revision further limits D96:

"Not available when Camaro SS, Special Performance Package or sport striping is ordered. Included when Rally Sport or style trim is ordered."

The car in the photo has the 2nd design head restraints and appears to have a '69 rear spoiler. To have all that it would have had to have been ordered late December, 1968 and built mid-late January, 1969.

[enio45]

Id go flat hood Z/28, vinyl top and it has Z/28 bumper guards in the back i believe

So it could be a d80 car, pipes could be chrome as per the later cars after may of 69

looks like it has one of the dealer or gas station service sticker in the door jam as well

did they ever put these service checklist stickers on the car when they were new??

[92646]

It looks like an early Z/28 with the short rear spoiler, flat hood and I do not think the exhaust tips are chrome.

[William]

It looks like an early Z/28 with the short rear spoiler, flat hood and I do not think the exhaust tips are chrome.

The tailpipes do not appear to be chrome. Both rear spoilers were used in production starting mid-January through early March. Vintage photos show early production Yenkos with the '69; ZL1 #3 has the '68 and was built on or about March 4th.

If the car in the photo was built with D96 striping it had to be ordered prior to January 2, 1969.

[Drew Papsun]

Hello Lee,
Carroll Chevrolet, Inc
1800 Main Street
Crown Point, IN 46307
Zone 11
Dealer 105

Regards,
Drew Papsun

[442w30]

Flat hood would suggest Z/28, no?

[ANDY M]

While I'd defer to the experts here, I have a couple of questions about this photo.
I magnified the image and noticed
1) the back of the spoiler shows no sign of stripes. Z/28 stripe delete?
2) the tail panel appears to have just the bowtie? No Z emblem.
Could this be an LM-1? Everything but the SS emblems, 350/295 horse motor, no stripes, and all of the fun. JMHO
Andy

[Lee Stewart]

While I'd defer to the experts here, I have a couple of questions about this photo.
I magnified the image and noticed
1) the back of the spoiler shows no sign of stripes. Z/28 stripe delete?
2) the tail panel appears to have just the bowtie? No Z emblem.
Could this be an LM-1? Everything but the SS emblems, 350/295 horse motor, no stripes, and all of the fun. JMHO
Andy

How would you explain the 15" wheels and tires?

[jdv69z]

How can you tell it has 15" wheels/tires?

[Jonesy]

LM1 was a 350/255hp not 295hp. I would think with the front and rear spoilers and the rear bumper guards, most likely this is a z/28 and they sure do look like 15 inch wheels to me.

An LM1 would not have got the wider wheels either. Trim rings look deeper like 15x7 wheels are.

[ANDY M]

Like I said, I defer to the experts. What would be the answers to the first two questions I asked?
The LM1 was just a guess.
Close, but no cigar.

BTW, the drivers side door show the reflection of two guys watching the photo shoot.
Just hold a magnifying glass up to the screen.

[MJV1953]

Back in 1972 while I was 19 I bought a 1969 Camaro with a 350/295hp 4 speed with a 3:36 non-posi with multi-leaf springs with a factory tac/gauges and clock. It was fathom green with the dark green interior with 28,000 miles on it.

My LM1 had the original motor 350/295hp motor according to the POP.

[Lee Stewart]

How can you tell it has 15" wheels/tires?

Goodyear Wide Tread GT RWL tires are 15". They were original equipment on the 1968 and 1969 Z/28. Also on the 1969 COPO 9737 Sport Car Conversion.

[Jeff H]

Could it be a non z28 car with JL8 brakes which would give it the 15" wheels?

[70CitrusZ]

LM1 1969 Camaro

[Lee Stewart]

Could it be a non z28 car with JL8 brakes which would give it the 15" wheels?

I believe you may be correct. The JL8 option included the 15" Rallye Wheels and RWL Wide Tread GT tires.

[enio45]

i believe there is a 6 cyl car in California with JL8....if so, it will have 15 inch rally wheels on it?

[Lee Stewart]

i believe there is a 6 cyl car in California with JL8....if so, it will have 15 inch rally wheels on it?

It should. Engine had no bearing on the JL8's 15" wheels and tires. They were included in the option. That's why it's lowest cost was for the Z/28 which already came with the wheels and tires. That BTW would be a very strange combination though - a 6 CYL with JL8. I would want to see bulletproof docs that it's real. A cheap car with a very expensive limited production brake option.

[Lee Stewart]

So what are the odds that Carroll Chevrolet orders a JL8 Camaro . . . which also has it's picture taken . . . for the back of a high school year book. And then shows up 48 years later on a supercar forum . . .

[enio45]

Ill see if i can search for the car...might have been over at team camaro a while back, 4-5 yrs ago. and yes, i understand it was a safety concern for the orig owner to order the 4 wheel disc brakes on the 6 cyl car.....was one of those old lady owned the car story.

with the limited number of JL8 cars, the JL8 guys probably have a registry for these?

[Steve Shauger]

Lets play the odds here; 20k z28's and I know of 3 non Z28, JL8's none that I've seen with paperwork. One was a GM tech center car. I believe Travelin Z28 has or had one.

[Lee Stewart]

Steve:

As I pointed out in my above post which you concur with . . . . but . . .

When it comes to 1960s muscle cars . . . never say never.

[Steve Shauger]

It should. Engine had no bearing on the JL8's 15" wheels and tires. They were included in the option. That's why it's lowest cost was for the Z/28 which already came with the wheels and tires.

Lee for the record, and based on available GM docs, the jl8 was available for $500 for both the SS or Z28 equipped cars. Since the SS came with 14 inch wheels and not necessarily rally wheels that kind of debunks your statement.

I believe it had to do with mandatory front disc brakes (credit applied) & suspension requirements on both the Z28 & SS. Non Z28 & SS cars with JL8 likely required a suspension upgrade & no front disc brake credit which drove the cost up to $623. I'm only speculating based on what material is available.

[Lee Stewart]

Lee for the record, and based on available GM docs, the jl8 was available for $500 for both the SS or Z28 equipped cars. Since the SS came with 14 inch wheels and not necessarily rally wheels that kind of debunks your statement.

I believe it had to do with mandatory front disc brakes (credit applied) & suspension requirements on both the Z28 & SS. Non Z28 & SS cars with JL8 likely required a suspension upgrade & no front disc brake credit which drove the cost up to $623. I'm only speculating based on what material is available.

Either way - you ordered JL8 you go 15" wheels and tires

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http://www.camaros.org/pdf/options.pdf

[Jeff H]

Yeah, it's hard to imagine they ordered a rear spoiler, dual exhaust on a non SS or Z28 car with JL8 brakes. But I guess it's possible. It's hard to tell from that picture if the car has Z28 stripes or not but with the full size rear bumper guards it makes me think it's a Z28.

[ZLP955]

IMHO the most likely scenario is that the pictured car is a Z28 that was ordered with D96 pinstripes (either factory or dealer applied) instead of the Z stripes as a buyer preference. Special paint on the trim tag, otherwise 'just' another Z.

[cook_dw]

You guys kill me.. Discussion of a photo in which you will most likely never know 100% what the car was... Someone should locate the kid in the photo, contact him and see if he remembers what the car was.. :hmmm: