68 Dana Z28

[Charley Lillard]

I want to say thanks to Brent396 for posting a heads up on the Craigs list ad on this site. Was advertised as being a special color orange sold Dana Z28 that had been sitting for 30 years. The guy selling it said people did not believe it was a orange car because the trim tag says it was British green. He showed me enough pics to convince me it was indeed orange and the order sheet even had the special paint code for the orange written on it. Protecto plate and a gm document list Dana and last night I got word back from NCRS that the dealer was Dana. Has orig engine, trans ,rear, no sign of any green paint anywhere that I can find so far. Looks like orig. exhaust. This car is very solid. Same orange that is on Kevin S's 427 68 Dana. This is fricken cool. Car just arrived awhile ago.:CharleySucks:

[cook_dw]

:CharleySucks::CharleySucks::CharleySucks:


This makes the 4th Z that I know of built on 12D from the LOS plant.. Congrats & you suck.
:beers:

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=15748.msg141760#msg141760



When did it leave the plant? 12/20/67?

[HawkX66]

Wow! Back to the original color?

[x77-69z28]

:CharleySucks::CharleySucks::CharleySucks:

[92646]

Wow Charley, I had a feeling that was a special car and we all saw it but you knew enough to buy it. So what are you going to do with it? With that original color I could see a set of 15" magnesium 5-spokes on it.

[Xplantdad]

Cool Charley-Bringing it to MCACN for the barn find area?

[L78M22Rag]

Congrats Charley. Glad to see it got into good hands! Yes, frickin cool!!!

Did you happen to grab that Dana hood that Mike Kaiser listed for sale? That hood would be a terrific addition to that car.

[markinnaples]

Congrats Charlie, great pick up.

[Charley Lillard]

I have a call into who I think is the orig. owner in Socal. You can see the black stripe on the old paint under the new paint where they got the stripe wrong.
Even has the 1111266 dist .

[scuncio]

That's a neat car, way cleaner than it looked in the pics. Congrats....

[427TJ]

Now to find a pair of real Dana plate frames!

[firstgenaddict]

CONGRATS Charlie... you want to sell it?

[tunes]

Great car, Charley and congrats on bringing it home.

[cook_dw]

Even has the 1111266 dist .


Seems to be a reaccuring theme..

What is the date?

[Charley Lillard]

Hard to read but looks like 7G20.

[Craig_Maiorana]

The odd part about this is my co worker has a car that was said to be a 68 Z and we have found this same shade of orange under the door cards and it has a -- trim tag

[69LM1]

Congrats....

I agree it looks better in these pics.

Rich

[NorCam]

That's a great car Charlie. I was half tempted to go down and get it myself as it was only 12 hours away. Looked at the pics when it was posted and thought real hard on it. I'm glad it went to someone here.

Can't wait to see it cleaned up.

[WILMASBOYL78]

Now we know what he did with the money he got for selling the website :rolleyes2:

Great looking car...good luck..and by the way...

:CharleySucks:

[1967Z28]

Dang, I wanted that. Congrats. I knew it was legit.

[bcmiller]

Yes that's the original color.

The Z paint code was still used for special paint when that car was built. They did not start using Z for British Green until that paint color became available in January 1968.

- - for special paint started January of 1968.

[bcmiller]

The odd part about this is my co worker has a car that was said to be a 68 Z and we have found this same shade of orange under the door cards and it has a -- trim tag

What is the build month and week of that car?

[Jonesy]

Wow and to think its out there on craigslist for sale of all places. Amazing what still shows up every now and then.

[Zedder]

Congrats....awesome car!

[PeteLeathersac]

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Schwing!!!
Big congrats Charley, awesome score!
:beers:
~ Pete

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[Charley Lillard]

I left a message for the guy I was sure was orig. owner but it wasn't him. Tore into the car more today. This thing is amazing. Found a 1967 dime inside a 1/4 below the 1/4 glass. Found a Kodak Viewmaster disk and a notebook in drivers door.

[Charley Lillard]

trans had duplicate tags bolted together upside down. Rear wheel lips are rolled. Vin was stamped on top of trans.

[camarojoe]

Nice find! Looks like a perfect candidate for a Super Car Workshop restoration.

[Charley Lillard]

I'm thinking the holes in the cowl panel were probably to mount some type of gauge.

[bcmiller]

Two transmission tags? Don't think I have seen that before.

What's the date on the 1111266 distributor?

Not unusual to see the partial VIN in top of trans for a LOS car.

[Charley Lillard]

.....code 516 is Omaha Orange, Orange and Tangier Orange.

[bkhpah]

Thats the third 68 Z/28 I have seen in that color. The non striped Grabiak Z and another 68 DANA Z/28. In addition to Kevins DANA 427, I believe the Dale Armstrong SS DANA drag car was also Omaha Orange. It must have been the go to color at DANA...BKH

[Charley Lillard]

Car was ordered in December but not sold until Feb 6 so I'm guessing Dana ordered it for Inventory and not a customer order.

[Charley Lillard]

I think the dist date is 7G20

[bkhpah]

There is a picture out there at DANA that shows a 68Z sitting in front of the dealership with a DANA logo on the door. Its a black and white photo, BUT I think its Omaha Orange..BKH

[bcmiller]

I think the dist date is 7G20

OK, thanks!

[69LM1]

I left a message for the guy I was sure was orig. owner but it wasn't him. Tore into the car more today. This thing is amazing. Found a 1967 dime inside a 1/4 below the 1/4 glass. Found a Kodak Viewmaster disk and a notebook in drivers door.

http://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97370&stc=1&d=1501115141


"He went home fat, happy and whistling"

I bet you did! :)

Rich

[1967Z28]

They sold quite a few special paint orange Camaros in CA back in '67 and '68, not just through Dana but through other dealerships as well. Definitely one of the most popular special paint colors out here along with silver.

[Xplantdad]

Wow it has a lot of paperwork!!

[bkhpah]

http://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97401&stc=1&d=1501122451http://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97402&stc=1&d=1501122451http://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97403&stc=1&d=1501122451

[the427king]

Very nice find...

[Mr70]

Congrats Charley.
James Garner was a huge endorser of DANA,which means in accordance with Southern Cal. law,you now have to perform a "Rockford" with this car & post it on youtube.

[1967Z28]

Charley, was the rear spoiler factory installed or added later?

[Charley Lillard]

Added later.

[1967Z28]

Thanks. It's pretty rare to see it on the early '68s with the 302 fender emblems.

[427freak]

NICE find!! I love it.

[Bryan302]

I had this photo in my files for several years. Not sure if it was one of the ones mentioned.

[6667ss138]

Very nice find!! All the pictures are great!

[John]

...

.... Great find :youguysrock:

... Funny how Karma works ... It is in the right hands now .... :biggthumpup:

[Lynn]

Well, this made my morning. Always good to see one saved, especially with docs and so many original parts.

[X66 714]

Very nice...Joe

[The Boss]

Congratulations Charlie! :burnout:

[Turbo70Camaro]

What a score good job on the photo documentation too.

[Billohio]

Neat car and love the color. Its in good hands

[ZAPPER68]

Fantastic ... thanks for the pictorial, it's great for comparison purposes.

[westonz28rs]

Nice find. Just 2511 cars before mine was built. Love all the paper work you got with the Camaro.

[firstgenaddict]

Really great score Charlie.... wow what an awesome find and really would clean up quite nicely with the exception of the paint...

damn looking at it I would be tempted to try and remove the top layer of paint if it were done in enamel.
I may try the front lower valence first... or a lower fender corner...

The reason I say this is the prep looks to be not very good and thus the problem areas will probably release well... around door handles creases etc.

[Charley Lillard]

Hood has been changed so the paint would be a bitch. Enough other stuff in body that I think I might just steam clean and then repaint.

[Tenney]

Nice add, Charley - too darn cool!!

[Lee Stewart]

Here you go Charlie . . . sort of what it will look like when it's finished:

https://s1.postimg.org/a613zk09b/68z1.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/ymj9u10zv/)

[TimG]

Great find, that car was certainly orange from the factory. I'm glad that NCRS could provide origin info on the car.

[Charley Lillard]

The Warranty booklet with Protecto plate and other paper also showed Dana but it was nice to confirm with the NCRS stuff.

[firstgenaddict]

The orders received confirmation report is golden.

[bcmiller]

I believe the color first became available around 1950. Used on a lot of trucks.

[danachevroletfor1967]

Great car Charley. I am still holding out for finding, and being able to afford, something similar.

[Stefano]

Kool Dana Camaro!

[mike1971]

Nice Score Charley!

[black69]

that is going to be a killer looking car when done! I think I like that color better than the hugger orange actually. Kevin's 427 car has always been one of my favorites, now I got to add these rare Zs...

[NovaMob03]

That's a neat find for sure. The CL / eBay links are a nice addition to the site & we should all appreciate the members who spend their time doing this imo

So, what are you gonna do about the rolled rear fender lips? Fix 'em when you repaint it?
I've had 2 CA cars with em rolled and although I wish they hadn't been, it also seems like it's part of a car's DNA & heritage, so to speak

[bcmiller]

Leave the rear wheel areas as is, in my opinion.

I would try hard to see if any original paint can be saved.

[Astock]

So, what are you gonna do about the rolled rear fender lips? Fix 'em when you repaint it?





I've always used a small crescent wrench. Just snug it up and bend down into place. Scoot over a 1/2 an inch, repeat. Might have to go back in a couple places, but you should be able to get it close to perfect.

Even though, the Dana hoods are flimsy, that one for sale would have looked good.

[Charley Lillard]

I'm not sure how that Dana hood would look with stripes. Steam cleaned under the car today. I forgot just how messy that always is. Probably spent a hour under it steam cleaning. Kept smelling gas and just figured it was fumes from the gas tank etc. Finally see gas pouring out a hole in fuel line. I have no idea how much leaked out. As I'm cutting the tubing so I can slip some rubber line over it the gas is running down my arm into my arm pit, into my shoes etc. That gas burns !!!

[Charley Lillard]

.....creative vacuum port location.

[Charley Lillard]

....this fuel pump was in the trunk.

[scuncio]

Clean floors, looks like a lifelong CA car alright.

[mockingbird812]

Great find Charley. Congrats!!

[firstgenaddict]

Excellent...

[169indy]

Good Job. Charley Is this the Car that was in Oregon? I spoke to a seller that was listing it for his friend, If I remember correctly. I was struggling getting a bead on values as I was neg with a co-worker who has given up on His restoration of his Uncles LOS 12D 1968 Z28. (Which I did purchase).
Great Car. The 68s need some Love at times,,,,,,

Jim

[Charley Lillard]

Yes this is that car. The guy that had it for the last 30 years bought it just for the engine because he had bought back his other 68 Z28 for 500.00 minus engine. He had lost his other Z in a divorce and somehow the engine for it got removed and the car had been seized and sold at auction. He never got around to yanking the engine and thru the years realized he should leave the engine in this car. I think now that he sold this car he and his Son are going to restore his other Z. Nice guy. It wasn't cheap if you compare it to what you can buy a restored 68Z for but it's a special car that needs to be saved. I was delighted at just how solid this car is.

[enio45]

nice solid car charlie - good luck with it!!

[bcmiller]

Do you have any pics of the shifter body looking straight up?

Any stripes visible on the driveshaft?

[Charley Lillard]

Shifter is a Hurst. Did not see any stripes but will look closer when I get it back on the lift.

[tunes]

Great pictures and such a cool car.

[HawkX66]

Those steam cleaners do a beautiful job. I'm looking forward to see where you go with this one. Very sharp. For a '68 anyhow... ;-)

[bcmiller]

Shifter is a Hurst. Did not see any stripes but will look closer when I get it back on the lift.

Thank you!

Stripes will probably be one white and one orange - if visible.

[68camaroz28]

Great car Charlie and as you stated it needs to be saved. Are the 4 trans bolts to bellhousing zinc or phosphate? Know you stated the fuel pump was in trunk but if fuel pump plate was still on that LOS Camaro was it painted or natural?
That color will be killer and what a great car to have done for its 50th Anniversary at the 2018 MCACN. :)

[Charley Lillard]

Trans bolts look Phosphate, Can't tell on fuel pump plate yet but engine has been rebuilt.

[MosportGreen66]

Wow, very cool car! Thanks for sharing and congrats for stepping up and making the purchase.

Dan

[cook_dw]

:Can-I-Have-It:

[Charley Lillard]

......

[70 copo]

One of the best cars to surface in awhile. congrats! :)

[protree68]

Great car Charlie and as you stated it needs to be saved. Are the 4 trans bolts to bellhousing zinc or phosphate? Know you stated the fuel pump was in trunk but if fuel pump plate was still on that LOS Camaro was it painted or natural?
That color will be killer and what a great car to have done for its 50th Anniversary at the 2018 MCACN. :)

My low miles Survivor 68 z the fuel plate is black

[Charley Lillard]

dist

[volquartsen]

Oh my!!! Can someone give me the info on the paint code? Man I like what time has done to the paint....can't duplicate that...

[Lee Stewart]

Oh my!!! Can someone give me the info on the paint code?

GM 516 = WE5108. 516 is also 546 (for 1968)

[Charley Lillard]

That's not orig. paint. The orig. color is shown underneath where it is flaking off.

[NorCam]

Current color is a dead on match to your Kubota. :grin:

I do like that original color as seen in the door jambs. What are you plans for this car Charlie. Repaint in original Lacquer and further clean up of the rest?

[68camaroz28]

My low miles Survivor 68 z the fuel plate is black

And its a LOS 68Z, correct? Have several examples where NOR had it black but none from LOS plant.
thank you,

[JoeC]

Nice find,
Does it have an old Hurst shifter?
The Hurst shifter that was sold in 67 68 is different then the one that went in production in 69-70 and later. I have seen them on some survivor type day two Camaros but they are hard to find

[Charley Lillard]

It is at least 30 years old. I can try to get pics.

[Charley Lillard]

Its alive

https://youtu.be/uoB5pE_gCfg

[scuncio]

Yeah!!!

[Mr70]

Open rearend?

[Charley Lillard]

No, they were both spinning.

[Charley Lillard]

Hurst Shifter

[6667ss138]

Love the video!! Very cool!!

[scuncio]

That is the newer style shifter. I will post a pic of the early one on my L78.

[Lynn]

You did fill out an environmental impact statement in triplicate before undertaking the steam clean, right? And then another one when you repaired the fuel line?

[Charley Lillard]

Yes

[Xplantdad]

Nice burnout...

[1967Z28]

I think that's still an early '70s Hurst based on the direction the two bolts go through to hold on the stick.

[Charley Lillard]

or a little faster

https://youtu.be/PDOslumr7Ds

[Charley Lillard]

and it stops

https://youtu.be/tQnD8XDhuI4

[Charley Lillard]

https://youtu.be/a18cToPmEHc

[Lynn]

Yes

I don't believe you.

[x77-69z28]

Charley, you need a longer driveway!

[Charley Lillard]

I need a new hobby.

[cook_dw]

Ok give me all your cars so you can start fresh.. :CharleySucks:

[Charley Lillard]

And new friends.

[cook_dw]

:frown: :bs:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGAtDrD316rMw1i/giphy.gif



:haha:

[TMagda]

Gotta check Craigslist! I love mid 70's big Kawasaki's. Thursday, I was sitting in a meeting and took my morning glance at CL and I almost had a heart attack. There listed for $500 was a '74 Z1 just rolled out of a barn. Looked all stock and unmolested. I know these bikes like the back of my hand and everything was there. The ad said it was put away in '80 due to a broken exhaust collar stud. Ran back to my office (didn't have my cell) after the meeting and it was sold. It sold in about 2 hours.

[ZLP955]

Charley, you need a longer driveway!
Was going to say the same thing - about a 1/4 mile longer should do :rolleyes2:

[PeteLeathersac]

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Originally Posted by x77-69z28
Charley, you need a longer driveway!

[QUOTE=ZLP955;1363072]
Was going to say the same thing - about a 1/4 mile longer should do :rolleyes2:

Me too also to add a Chrondek.
What of the 'track' running up the drive, runoff area?
:beers:
~ Pete


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[JoeC]

the early Camaro aftermarket Hurst shifter used a 2 piece welded offset neck vs the one piece stamped steel offset neck that came out about 1968-69 and is still used today


Charley

there are some names in this article on the first Dana 427 Camaro. There may be a chance that some may have info on your car. Some may know the original owner if the cars were both raced back in the day. may be worth a shot to try and contact them

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/amazing-story-behind-the-first-dana-427-conversion-of-a-1967-chevrolet-camaro/

[Charley Lillard]

Thanks.

[allcamaro]

Charley quick question, does the Z have the original wheels? If so do they look to have ever been painted? reason asked is I have two LA build 68 Camaros's both special paint one a SS one a L30 and both look to have painted rally wheels from the factory.

[1967Z28]

I have seen an original paint orange LOS '68 Z with RS equipment and body colored rally wheels. I think I have pics somewhere.

[SuperNovaSS]

My dad had a 68 RS Z that was this color orange. It still has its original paint. It has torque thrust wheels on it but the original rally in the trunk was orange. I'll see if he can dig up a few pictures.


Jason

[Lee Stewart]

I am trying to understand what is being discussed - these body colored Rally Wheels as I have never heard of them or seen them. I have a question . . .

Was it only 1968 special paint cars that could get them from the factory?

[scuncio]

I believe some of the Grabiak Chevrolet special-paint '68 Zs had body color rallys as well.

[PeteLeathersac]

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Never knew of Body colored Rally Wheels either, love to hear more of how/when available.
:beers:
~ Pete

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[Bryan302]

The photo of the Z I posted in post #47 is one of these with painted wheels. Is it known not to be real or what?? It was supposed to be!

Bryan

[Lee Stewart]

How would an assembly line painter know to paint the Rally Wheels body color on a special paint ordered 1968 Z/28? Is there some documentation? An Exception Control Letter Sheet dealing with this?

[scuncio]

On the 70 Chevelle S.C. Tricentennial Editions, the wheels are painted body color, and the instructions are specifically called out on the build sheet.

[DarrenX33]

Charley, that is a fantastic purchase. Congrats to you.

[firstgenaddict]

Rally wheels have an X for the color code in the Wheel color box if they are argent, other wise they would have a color code indicated.


Here is a 67 RS/SS 396 in special order orange with the wheels/

[Lynn]

This car is freakin awesome, Charley.

Keep the pics coming.

[Lee Stewart]

So based on the photo above, it's not just 1968 SP Z/28 and SS cars. It also applies to SP 1967 Z/28 and SS cars too. Or is it just those cars that were painted in "Road Commission Orange" - that's the color right?

[JoeC]

I believe the color is 1968 Chevy Truck Orange

info from paint.com site.......

"This orange automotive paint color is most commonly known as Omaha Orange. Other common color promotional names include Tangier Orange, Orange, and Fork Lift Orange. The color formulation has been used between 1930 and 1992, primarily by Chevrolet; but also by GM, GMC, Studebaker, Ford, Reo, Diamond T, Chrysler, Dr Pepper, Toyota, and HomeDepot. We have records of this color appearing on the following models: Chevy Truck, GMC, Studebaker Truck, Ford Special Order / Fleet, Chevrolet, Astro, Reo Truck, Blazer, Suburban, Chrysler Special Order / Fleet, Chevrolet Special Order / Fleet, and Diamond T Truck. See the full detailed list below."

paint chart and code info here.....

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail.cgi?paint=1968|Chevy Truck|Orange

[bkhpah]

I personally inspected the in question Grabiak 68 Z/28. There is no doubt in my mind the wheels were painted Omaha Orange from new. The original WTGT tires where stacked next to the car as well. I have also seen a special order Verdoro Green Z/28 with a white VT and the green matching rally wheels. Why GM did this I am not sure, but it was put into use on these two cars and others as well it would seem...BKH

[Charley Lillard]

My orig. rims are gone. The seller stuck some FW rally's on it.

[cook_dw]

I have also seen a special order Verdoro Green Z/28 with a white VT and the green matching rally wheels. Why GM did this I am not sure, but it was put into use on these two cars and others as well it would seem...BKH

This car?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnn_4sr8YvALUCcTVnTbXPcxza7O-QAmsgpWCf_pCZDTqUbZeJ

[bkhpah]

Yeah, I'll bet thats the one...BKH

[Kurt S]

I know of a red 68 Z with red rims.

[Charley Lillard]

I get home today after being gone a couple days and I have a flat. :dunno:

[m22mike]

Driveway abuse :naughty:

[1967Z28]

That tire pic reminds me of the movie Alien somehow.

[427TJ]

Time for new Turbo-Techs.

[cook_dw]

http://i.imgur.com/RAaBOBD.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I'm starting to wonder why the hood was missing. Maybe it had one of Dana's glass hoods and someone took it off. I need to talk to older owners.

[Dicky]

I'm not sure how that Dana hood would look with stripes. Steam cleaned under the car today. I forgot just how messy that always is. Probably spent a hour under it steam cleaning. Kept smelling gas and just figured it was fumes from the gas tank etc. Finally see gas pouring out a hole in fuel line. I have no idea how much leaked out. As I'm cutting the tubing so I can slip some rubber line over it the gas is running down my arm into my arm pit, into my shoes etc. That gas burns !!!
Haven't you ever used a "Rag Wrench"

[firstgenaddict]

IT would be interesting to find out of the special paint chevrolet's all models if the wheels were painted the special order color- even if they were normally black or normally argent - reason I say this is there are Chevelles with AO's (Spoked wheels) which were painted all gold with matching broadcast sheets. - wondering if there are full hubcap wheels which were normally black which on special order color were painted the special order color.

[Mr70]

As was mentioned earlier,for future reference for newbies.

[NorCam]

Found a few Dana pics today that made me think of this car again.

[scuncio]

the early Camaro aftermarket Hurst shifter used a 2 piece welded offset neck vs the one piece stamped steel offset neck that came out about 1968-69 and is still used today


Charley, here are a few pics of an early Camaro Hurst shifter.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Parts/i-xLvZmnz/0/c7b8bad8/X2/IMG_0488-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Parts/i-P3Wh65X/0/ed0f9077/X2/IMG_0489-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Parts/i-RMDnhnc/0/d13a363a/X2/IMG_0490-X2.jpg

[brent396]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-CAMARO-FIREBIRD-GM-FACTORY-INSTALLED-HURST-4SP-SHIFTER-W-LINKAGE-BRACKET-/172095998016?hash=item2811b88840:g:ha0AAOSwll1Wu5F d&vxp=mtr

[Charley Lillard]

Nice dishonest description of his shifter.

[scuncio]

Expensive, too.

[Charley Lillard]

In keeping with all the stupid stuff I have been doing lately...If someone wants this car for 40K they can contact me.

[cook_dw]

:no:

[scuncio]

Damn!

[PeteLeathersac]

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I think you meant HOT damn!!!
Congrats to the lucky dog that can make this car theirs!
:beers:
~ Pete


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[Motorhead848]

Did a little sanding this morning the Dana car..... definitely found some trace of black under the crappy repaint on both doors and both rear qtrs. Also sanded the front fender and found nothing. Let's see if I can get some pictures up here for you guys.

[Motorhead848]

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[Motorhead848]

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[Motorhead848]

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[Mr70]

You're on to something.
Dragging that B&W advertising photo over to this topic for easier reference.

[Motorhead848]

Front fender had no trace of black

[PeteLeathersac]

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If it helps any, here's an enlarged view.
Congrats to you and your Dad for landing this special car!
:beers:
~ Pete


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[Motorhead848]

[QUOTE=PeteLeathersac;1368714]'

If it helps any, here's an enlarged view.
Congrats to you and your Dad for landing this special car!
:beers:
~ Pete


Thanks, sure would be cool if we could confirm this is the same car from the picture. Our findings seem to lead that way but we cant make out any specific shapes or letters. But we definitely found black in right areas

[luzl78]

I love when people find cars that have a special history or special drivetrain pedigree. Makes me think of the 67 red z28 that had its original engine returned that was in a ford t-bucket. We need to find the gold and then painted white 67 camaro motion test mule car.