Is this a known COPO Camaro?

[MosportGreen66]

Thanks,
Dan

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-COPO-/182807112534?hash=item2a90272b56:g:NCAAAOSw1KNZ1Po L&vxp=mtr

[Xplantdad]

Dan, Info here:http://www.customclassics.net/auto-restoration/restoration/showcase/?id=165919261573

[McCune]

Here is a 66 nova with the same VIN? https://restomods.com/for-sale/auction/listing/1966-Chevrolet-Nova-SS/253000107070

[RPOLS3]

662520 is on Bergy's list

[Stefano]

I believe this was Fred Eichorst's Barn Find COPO Camaro.

If so:

Note: There was NO original drivetrain and or COPO parts with the car other than a deep grove power steering pulley and big block engine stands. Drivetrain parts were sourced from J.M. No owner or dealer history and no documentation. The body was "extremely" rusty. It already had fenders, doors, and 1/4s replaced prior and both rear springs were sticking out through the trunk.

Custom Classics did a very nice job of bringing this Camaro back to life.

[PeteLeathersac]

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Subject VIN 124379N662520
Some info suggests transmission only may be original?
:hmmm:
~ Pete

2014 SYC thread...
http://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1235470

JM's comments below from this link...
http://www.ronsusser.com/inventory/listing/1969-chevrolet-copo-camaro-one-of-the-best-on-the-planet-991-points/
“This 1969 Camaro, vin #124379N662520 has been certified by Camaro Hi-Performance. According to our data base and historical Chevrolet records, this car is a L72 COPO 427-425 horsepower V-8 with Muncie 4-speed transmission and factory BE 12-bolt rear axle. This Camaro and trim ID have been certified as rea and authentic COPO identification can be quantified by the following: Muncie transmission speedometer cable hold location, X11 body, hole piercing above the fuse box for ZL2 hood grommet and wiring, and tail pipe adapter plate welded on the original left side rear frame rail. The original frame rails were photographed and documented at the time of my first inspection. Norwood body numbers will usually (but not always) follow a sequence pattern with 427 Camaros produced at the Norwood plant. Summary: the car falls into the concourse restored category with nice attention to detail. Exact COPO production numbers are not known but it’s believed that approx. 1000 were produced. This car was found in a barn in the Wisconsin area.”


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[Stefano]

I'm not reading it that way, but all that is quoted also doesn't rule out an X11D80 SS 350 with cowl induction, as there was no BE rear.

The original firewall and tunnel proved the 4 speed status.

I believe that it is a real COPO Camaro. Some of the other clues when I inspected it was the Deep grove PS Pulley and the big block engine stands, Both bolt on items so still not conclusive. The Camaro had SS trim / emblems and was repainted a Garnet Red.

At that time the NICB came up blank and I could not find another COPO body number / order number close in the sequence.

[DW31S]

How could trans be original if TT says 06A and listing says trans date is September ‘69? Am I the only one who is questioning the trans being original? Also, did anyone verify that any of the drivetrain components had original stamps? Nowhere did I read anything saying they were/weren’t. The car does look like a movie star.

[Mr70]

He never states the transmission is the original,only that the engine & rearend are,so I read that as at least the case has been replaced by another.
Plus he says this in the ad.. The transmission was redone by Advantage transmission and as many of the original parts were saved and restored.

[Lynn]

I don't see anything to indicate that the engine and rear are born with.

" It retains an original L72 427 engine, 512 block, original code BE rear end..."

I read that quote to mean the engine and rear were original COPO parts, but not original to this car. Gotta watch the word smithing.

And of course, the trans isn't original to this car.

The ad Bruce linked to says the car is sold. Guessing it is being flipped?

[Mr70]

I read his ad as the engine & rear not being the born with either.

[PeteLeathersac]

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I wasn't agreeing the trans was original, only reporting some info suggests this as below statement from this link...
http://www.customclassics.net/auto-restoration/restoration/showcase/?id=165919261573
Personal opinion here but leaning so heavily on JM's reports to back up such manipulative wording is more than enough good reason to walk away and look instead for cars w/ pre-restoration 9561 HISTORY...which this car has exactly none of.
:thumbsdown:
~ Pete


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[PeteLeathersac]

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[PeteLeathersac]

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[Mr70]

That customclassics description sure reads differently about the transmission than what the ebay description says.

[resto4u]

Has anyone ran this through NCRS?

[Schonyenko2]

Can't remember for sure, did Fred buy this from Mike Vacey in Marion IA?

[Stefano]

Yes, that is who he got it from. I ran an NICB and it came back as blank way back then. It would be interesting to see what the NCRS dealer data report might show.

Just to be clear; There was NO original drivetrain with this Camaro and I believe all the drivetrain components were sourced from JM.

[iluv69s]

I'm not reading it that way, but all that is quoted also doesn't rule out an X11D80 SS 350 with cowl induction, as there was no BE rear.

The original firewall and tunnel proved the 4 speed status.


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Correct me if I am wrong, I believe they only made small block with cool hood on Z11 cars. Wouldn't an original X11 with original firewall piercing for municie speedo cable and cowl hood wiring be 100% COPO?

[Lynn]

Ducted hood was available on any SS (big block or small block) and Z/28.

[Stefano]

Now a ZL2 hood on a X44 code V8 Camaro.....that's a different story.

[Schonyenko2]

Yes, that is who he got it from. I ran an NICB and it came back as blank way back then. It would be interesting to see what the NCRS dealer data report might show.

Just to be clear; There was NO original drivetrain with this Camaro and I believe all the drivetrain components were sourced from JM.

Yea, that was the car. No drive line at all. Agree, it would be interesting to see where an NCRS goes to. And you're also correct about it being pretty rough.

[iluv69s]

Really ??? There are sm block cowl hood cars out there?? I've never seen an original small block cowl hood car...other than a Z-11, Z-10.....

[Steve Shauger]

Really ??? There are sm block cowl hood cars out there?? I've never seen an original small block cowl hood car...other than a Z-11, Z-10.....

Yes it was an available rpo on any SS.

[William]

Yup

[camaromb]

Another SS small block '69 Camaro with factory cowl hood was the hugger orange SS with white houndstooth for sale on this site a year ago or so, with a ZL1 engine installed. That was a great west coast survivor.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

This is a sad restamp.

http://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=101219&stc=1&d=1507437640

[Stefano]

Yes, that is who he got it from. I ran an NICB and it came back as blank way back then. It would be interesting to see what the NCRS dealer data report might show.

Just to be clear; There was NO original drivetrain with this Camaro and I believe all the drivetrain components were sourced from JM.

When inspected at Fred's Barn there was no heater core or heater core box cover. There was a convenient story that it was a big block box/assembly and dated to the car, but there was NO such supporting evidence. No parts and no pictures, nothing but the story.

The NCRS data report shows 6/26/1969 Delivery date to Dealer Code 335 Zone 1, Larke Buick Chevrolet Inc. Hastings MI.