1969 z Survivor

[brent396]

https://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/d/camaro/6483613044.html

[brent396]

quote from camaromb
I looked at this '69 Z 2 years ago. It has a drivers side spliced quarter, most of that side painted, getting crusty under wheel well trim, lower fender rusting through, bumped under rear bumper, missing spare tire/smog/carb etc. Neat car but it needs to be restored and at the time he wanted $100k. It survived 10 years in Illinois and then was stored, not pretty underneath!

[olredalert]

----This car belongs to my neighbor. I have never seen it as we don't get along, but have heard about the prior work and deterioration from friends.......Bill S

[Crush]

I called last year and spoke with a lady (wife). Tried to see car but was difficult communicating a time. She mentioned they had a bunch of other cars.

[Sean]

Bodywork alone another 20-25k just to make it right. And his attitude leaves a lot left to be desired. buy it at 35-40 would probably come out alright.

[olredalert]

Bodywork alone another 20-25k just to make it right. And his attitude leaves a lot left to be desired. buy it at 35-40 would probably come out alright.

----Hence the "we don't get along" statement!......Bill S

[Steve Shauger]

Just by the looks of that steering wheel, the car has not been in a temperature controlled environment. I see mold, so there are moisture issues. No smog, front spoiler missing. The owner is not very engaging!!!!!

[Sean]

----Hence the "we don't get along" statement!......Bill S

You got that right Bill! lol

[mike1971]

Sold...��

[olredalert]

----I sincerely hope it wasn't to anyone on this sight!.......Bill S

[6667ss138]

----I sincerely hope it wasn't to anyone on this sight!.......Bill S

The buyer posted on the CRG. He seems happy.

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=16188.0

[MosportGreen66]

The buyer posted on the CRG. He seems happy.

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=16188.0

I hope it ends up being a good car. The rumors were aggressive. That is often times how good cars get a bad reputation.

Dan

[olredalert]

----Good luck to him. I sincerely hope he doesn't find the problems that my friends that saw the car told me about.......Bill S

[wayoutz]

I hope it ends up being a good car. The rumors were aggressive. That is often times how good cars get a bad reputation.

Dan
Is this the Mike Wheatley Z28 tha earned a vintage Heritage certification at MCACN 2018?
If so pretty hard to believe that what sounds Like a pc of poop here would score so highly in a vintage certification .. LOL

[olredalert]

Is this the Mike Wheatley Z28 tha earned a vintage Heritage certification at MCACN 2018?
If so pretty hard to believe that what sounds Like a pc of poop here would score so highly in a vintage certification .. LOL

----No possible way that Camaro ever could have earned a vintage heritage certification anywhere back then,,,,No way!.......Bill S

[wayoutz]

----No possible way that Camaro ever could have earned a vintage heritage certification anywhere back then,,,,No way!.......Bill S

you can view MCAKN 2018 and view the car yourself, you first hand saw the car when it was for sale so you said or your friends did, than ask Steve shauger how in the world did that car do that?

[olredalert]

----Brent saw the car and described it on the 1st post. I'm not making anything up. read his description and ask yourself if that car as described is Heritage worthy.....Bill S

[Steve Shauger]

----Brent saw the car and described it on the 1st post. I'm not making anything up. read his description and ask yourself if that car as described is Heritage worthy.....Bill S



I am embarrassed at the lack of respect given to the owner (who is a member) and the car.


Bill you reference someones opinion, yet you have no first hand knowledge...really!!! Perhaps your animosity towards your neighbor influenced your response.


This car did complete a Vintage Certification in 2018, and was awarded Heritage. This is the our third award level:


Vintage Time Capsule - Vehicles that are 95+% unrestored in all six reference areas
Vintage Legend - Vehicles that are 85+% unrestored in all six reference areas.
Vintage Heritage - Vehicles that are 85+% unrestored in five reference areas.
Vintage Legacy - Vehicles that are 85+% unrestored in four reference areas
Vintage Reference - Vehicles that are 85+% unrestored in at least two reference areas.

This car was certified objectively and fairly by 3 judges, and we certainly stand by the results. We have been certifying cars for over 20 years and at each event we encourage all interested parties to look and learn.


Our score sheets indicate any deviation from assembly line production processes or materials ( some referenced in this thread). Our program is not judged as a beauty contest or freshly restored car.


Steve Shauger
Vintage Certification

[wayoutz]

I am embarrassed at the lack of respect given to the owner (who is a member) and the car.


Bill you reference someones opinion, yet you have no first hand knowledge...really!!! and you reference it as as a PC. amazing, perhaps your animosity towards your neighbor formed your response.


This car did complete a Vintage Certification in 2018, and was awarded Heritage. This is the our third level award:


Vintage Time Capsule - Vehicles that are 95+% unrestored in all six reference areas
Vintage Legend - Vehicles that are 85+% unrestored in all six reference areas.
Vintage Heritage - Vehicles that are 85+% unrestored in five reference areas.
Vintage Legacy - Vehicles that are 85+% unrestored in four reference areas
Vintage Reference - Vehicles that are 85+% unrestored in at least two reference areas.

This car was certified by 3 judges and we certainly stand by the results.
We have been certifying cars for over 20 years and this car was at MCACN there for all interested parties to look and learn.


Our score sheets indicate any deviation from assembly line production processes or materials. Our program is not judged as a beauty contest or freshly restored car., Some of The points referenced by the original poster were noted our process is a

Yes sir and I own it now. Wont ever be for sale again and one of the nicest originals with 85% of its original paint left. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For some reason there was lots of taint on this car right from the first guy telling us it was his neighbors car that he doesn't get along with. Well that fellow was the 2nd owner of this Beautiful low mile Z28 for 35 years which came with original documentation and what he told me is hated tire kickers, know it all's, and test pilots.
I look at this site for useful and helpful information. I look up to all you fellows who know your stuff, but when I see articles like this and followed to the CRG fourm, it makes me wonder how could anyone come to you folks for help or advice.

Steve thanks for all the help and honesty you have given me and Mike is pretty cool dude who also really knows his stuff. She sits perfectly next to my Bloomington Gold Survivor 1969 Corvette 427/435 MA6 who also has its bumps and bruises..

[Kurt S]

Let's make sure we are all talking about the same car.
I saw 124379N693680 51-51 715 at MCACN. Very nice survivor..... Mark B was there too.

[Lynn]

Let's see some pictures. I don't remember seeing pics of this car.

I like Camaros of all kinds. Fully restored. Driven cars that have survived. Time capsules.

Would sure like to see pics.

[wayoutz]

Let's make sure we are all talking about the same car.
I saw 124379N693680 51-51 715 at MCACN. Very nice survivor..... Mark B was there too.

Thanks Kurt that's this car and I am proud to own it. You of most folks here I really look up to for your knowledge and well spoken manner. She aint a beauty but hey shes alright.

That 2nd owner is the CEO of a major wood carving company for some of our highest priced woods for gibson guitars ETC. Hes a very straight shooter who bought the car from one of the fellows he supervised back in the late 70s and early 1980s at the Byron nuclear power plant and was the original owner who I also got more documentation from.
The story is out there to read but point being not everyone got along with Bob and it took him a full year to open up to me since I did not buy it from him about the car and offer my wife and I a tour of wood carving business since not only He and I were QA managers, we are brother musicians and love guitars.

Its a great hobby for most folks and it brings people together and having Guys like you and Steve out there for guys like me and many others its a true blessing!!

[AnthonyS]

^ that’s a good story. Myself? I’d love to see this car.

[Crush]

I believe I talked to someone about this car when it was for sale? Mi right? Did the guy own a Lamborghini Along with other cars?
Would love to see it again!

[Steve Shauger]

Let's make sure we are all talking about the same car.
I saw 124379N693680 51-51 715 at MCACN. Very nice survivor..... Mark B was there too.
Kurt, yes the same car and you are correct a very nice survivor.

[Hawkeye]

If this is not the same car I will delete my post to not add confusion to this thread.

Thanks,
Marty

[Steve Shauger]

If this is not the same car I will delete my post to not add confusion to this thread.

Thanks,
Marty
Marty that is the car.

[olredalert]

----Kurt, Steve and others,,,,I saw a 1969 Z28 once in the parking lot of the former owners business. He keeps all his cars at his business location. The car I saw was NOT this Dusk Blue Z28 but was another 69 Camaro that appeared to be a Z to me. It was not Dusk Blue but was "bright blue". I have only just seen pics of Kurt's great looking Z this morning and knew instantly the mistake. This was roughly 2 years before Kurt bought his Z. Now that I have realized my mistake I, of course want to make it right. Thinking back now, I had heard the prior owner had a 69 Z for sale that far back. It's just a guess but someone must have been there that day in the car I saw to look at the Dusk Blue car, but didn't buy it for some reason. That bright blue car was rough.
----I have already PMed Kurt and told him how sorry I am for the confusion and my mistake. I take full responsibility for my comments which were honestly made but obviously not correct......Bill S

[wayoutz]

----Kurt, Steve and others,,,,I saw a 1969 Z28 once in the parking lot of the former owners business. He keeps all his cars at his business location. The car I saw was NOT this Dusk Blue Z28 but was another 69 Camaro that appeared to be a Z to me. It was not Dusk Blue but was "bright blue". I have only just seen pics of Kurt's great looking Z this morning and knew instantly the mistake. This was roughly 2 years before Kurt bought his Z. Now that I have realized my mistake I, of course want to make it right. Thinking back now, I had heard the prior owner had a 69 Z for sale that far back. It's just a guess but someone must have been there that day in the car I saw to look at the Dusk Blue car, but didn't buy it for some reason. That bright blue car was rough.
----I have already PMed Kurt and told him how sorry I am for the confusion and my mistake. I take full responsibility for my comments which were honestly made but obviously not correct......Bill S

Bill all is fine. I only followed up on this thread because I thought the car was a little better than the hit took. Remember, guys like you stumble across nice original cars from time to time but for guys like me its once in a life time and really they are only original once.
If I chose to I could send this car to JM for the perfect restoration but I cant see erasing all this cars history from those two owners .

I really enjoy the site and all you guys here that make it a great place for the love of these cars.

[AnthonyS]

^ great follow ups! Enjoy!

[Xplantdad]

I believe this is the same car...


https://www.thesupercarregistry.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=125277&stc=1&d=1542776475 https://www.thesupercarregistry.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=125278&stc=1&d=1542776475

[wayoutz]

Man those are great shots. Thanks for these pictures

[Xplantdad]

You are welcome...I think I may have more pics ? I will have to look. Neat Z28!