Day II Deuce

[NorCam]

Bought this little ̶D̶e̶u̶c̶e̶ NOVA from Mel after the previous buyer came up short on funding. Cragar's didn't come with it so I'm going to install a new set of wheels with some vintage M/T rubber. Then it's a Lakewood 3 point bar, Hurst air shocks, roll control, and a Ramrod shifter. Going to leave the old paint alone as it's been on there for 40+ years c/w checking on the roof. Should be pretty cool when it's ready to roll after the snows gone up here.

Pics of it from back in the day with a Grump lump scoop, Cragars, shackles and slicks on the rear. It's been cleaned up a bit since these were taken, but it's going right back to the way it was in these shots.

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[L78M22Rag]

Congrats Graeme! Old school looks good on you buddy...

[Xplantdad]

Very nice!!

[GotGrunt]

Nice car... what did the seller do with the cragars that were on it in the original ebay ad?

[NorCam]

Mel kept them for his 55 and mounted the welds (I'll use those with Hoosiers on track days). I have some TT wheels that I prefer to Cragars and will use those for this car. Rear's are getting 8.5 with H50 Mickey's and front are getting 4's with Firestone pie crust 5.60's. Should look pretty cool with those but it's gonna need some air shocks in the back. Also have some old Firestone Drag 500 slicks that Tony hooked me up with. I'll mount those on a set of steelies and whenever they go on it, it'll have the same look as that show above.

[Locker537]

Congrats on the purchase! I know I was one of many staring an the eBay listing knowing I'd feel a little regret not jumping on it!

More pictures please!

[GotGrunt]

Mel kept them for his 55 and mounted the welds (I'll use those with Hoosiers on track days). I have some TT wheels that I prefer to Cragars and will use those for this car. Rear's are getting 8.5 with H50 Mickey's and front are getting 4's with Firestone pie crust 5.60's. Should look pretty cool with those but it's gonna need some air shocks in the back. Also have some old Firestone Drag 500 slicks that Tony hooked me up with. I'll mount those on a set of steelies and whenever they go on it, it'll have the same look as that show above.

I can’t wait for more pictures!

Congrats on the purchase! I know I was one of many staring an the eBay listing knowing I'd feel a little regret not jumping on it!

More pictures please!

Yup, you can add me to that list :D

[vince]

nice. was looking hard at that as well cool car for sure.

[owners2]

Very Nice Ride....

[NorCam]

I had a chance at it back in July before it went to eBay but he wanted more money for it and I passed on it (regretfully). He then listed it and had a buyer through eBay who flaked out at 25K. Next guy asked him to sell it through eBay w/o the Cragars so he listed it again but with the Weld wheels on it for $23K. I saw it listed again and figured I better call but he already had it sold to this guy through eBay. I was hoping the guy would flake, so after staying on him for a couple weeks he promised it to me if the other guy didn't come through with the funds. He gave the guy ample time to close but it never happened so I got the call last week saying it was mine and I snapped it up quickly.

Car has 40+ year old lacquer paint and some checking, but is still in really nice shape throughout most of the car. Floors are super clean with one patch plate where the Vertigate shifter was once installed. It's a 36,000 mile car and Mel was only the third owner of it. Original engine is gone but that's not of importance to me on this car. Booster came off when it had a 327 tunnel ram and big solid cam back in the day. Hood was later sold but the car comes with another scoop if I want to add one to the hood that's on the car. First 2 shots show the old 327 tunnel ram and the old hood. Cowl plate was also filled so I'll need to add one if I want to reconnect the wiper transmission. I'll need that to get it licensed up here.

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[Locker537]

I vote for tunnel ram and Grump Lump!

[NorCam]

Here are some of the parts I'll be adding to it over the winter.

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[mockingbird812]

Nice score Graeme! This should be entertaining!!!!

[Locker537]

NorCam, alright now you're just rubbing it in!

I wasn't familiar with that Lakewood 3-point bar. Given it bolts together and is a simple structure, I'm assuming it doesn't offer much safety or additional rigidity.

That said, it certainly looks the part!

Looking forward to seeing your progress on this car. I've been lurking on this site for awhile now and have really enjoyed reading about the history of your other cars.

:beers:

[mr.4speed]

Love it!

[NorCam]

NorCam, alright now you're just rubbing it in! (Sorry) :wink:

I wasn't familiar with that Lakewood 3-point bar. Given it bolts together and is a simple structure, I'm assuming it doesn't offer much safety or additional rigidity.

That said, it certainly looks the part!

:beers:

Actually, they really do work and have saved lives. In one of the other day 2 threads, someone had posted pictures of a Camaro that rolled on the track. Car was destroyed and the driver walked away because of the Lakewood bar. It held the roof from collapsing down on the driver and he crawled out the side window. The rest of the roof had pancaked. Maybe I can find that picture here somewhere.

They can be bolted in or welded for better results but will only get past tech for slower cars running 11.99 or slower in the quarter (I think those numbers are correct). I was also told that adding a door bar to the side qualifies them as a suitable 4 point roll bar. However, this one's purely for the period look. If I did plan on racing the car I'd install a proper cage for sure.

Glad you chimed in here. :headbang:

[big gear head]

I vote for tunnel ram and Grump Lump!

Heck yeah!

[Damien]

I was following this deuce on ebay wishing our dollar was in better shape!
Looks to be a great car and I like your plans to continue the day 2 theme.

[ZoomXF]

Great find. I also vote for the tunnel ram and Grump lump.

[Locker537]

Actually, they really do work and have saved lives. In one of the other day 2 threads, someone had posted pictures of a Camaro that rolled on the track. Car was destroyed and the driver walked away because of the Lakewood bar. It held the roof from collapsing down on the driver and he crawled out the side window. The rest of the roof had pancaked. Maybe I can find that picture here somewhere.

They can be bolted in or welded for better results but will only get past tech for slower cars running 11.99 or slower in the quarter (I think those numbers are correct). I was also told that adding a door bar to the side qualifies them as a suitable 4 point roll bar. However, this one's purely for the period look. If I did plan on racing the car I'd install a proper cage for sure.

Glad you chimed in here. :headbang:

That makes sense! In a wreck at the track, while wearing a helmet, it has to be better than nothing!

And like you said, it's perfect for the period look!

[Mr. Chevy]

Congrats on the purchase. I know the car, saw it when it was owned locally here in Strongsville, Oh.

Sold new at Ed Stinn Chevrolet in Fairview Park, Oh.

Very cool car!!

Rich

[chevyandpontiac]

Love this car, can't wait to see the updates.

[olredalert]

----"Ed Stinn Chevrolet". Same dealer I bought my 69 435 Corvette from new......Bill S

[Spooky]

Graeme, You really have all the day 2 stuff down! Keep posting pics please! I really want to see a video on how those M/T scavengers sound!!!!!!

Great job my friend

Scott

[NorCam]

Graeme, You really have all the day 2 stuff down! Keep posting pics please! I really want to see a video on how those M/T scavengers sound!!!!!!

Great job my friend

Scott

Scott,

Still waiting on the car to arrive from the East Coast via national carrier. Once it's here I'll add some better pictures. For now it's all hands on my 69 as I try and get it finished up before starting anything serious on the nova. But for now, here's the M/T style headers uncorked on the 383. This motor is going into the Nova too.

vG1uX-E57f8

[Schonyenko2]

Pretty cool ride. Like the shadow high lites. Old school.

[Spooky]

Damn it.....Now I need some of those! Thanks for the video

Scott

[Lynn]

Very cool car. Didn't take you long to gather up all the right parts.

[NorCam]

Had all of that stuff collected for the green 69 Z/28 Lynn. I've decided to put the Camaro back to bone stock now so the Nova was a great excuse for use of all the day 2 goodies I have collected over the past year or two. All I need now is a tunnel ram and I've already got my eyes on one of those. :)

[NorCam]

As busy as the enclosed carriers are hauling exotics these days, the Deuce was finally picked up yesterday and is now on it's way up to Canada, then west where it'll begin a new chapter. I can't wait for it to get here, but neither can the snow. It's been a crappy fall the past few weeks and it's snowing right now with about 3" of fluff that arrived overnight. The only good thing about that is the fact that I got out last night to get all the leaves mulched before this first little dump of snow.


Yesterday, the Nova was loaded up in Jersey and is finally on it's way out west.
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[Locker537]

NorCam, the snow hasn't made it to us in New England ... yet. You should play is safe and re-route that Deuce to me for safe keeping! I promise it will be safe, warm, and well enjoyed! :burnout: Call it a detour!

I'm excited to see your progress with this car. Your parts stash and plan are pretty inspiring. Combine that with David Freiburger's Crusher Camaro done up in "Grumpy" Day 2 garb, and I'm convinced that's the style I want to build!

Well, that or a 911 SC. What can I say, I love em all! :laugh:

[TDW]

That yard and landscaping is beautiful. Enjoy the car.

[NorCam]

lol...it looks a little different tonight. About 6"-7" around here, but Calgary just set a record for one day snow that's stood since 1883 and got 24"-30" over the past 24 hours. It's melting fast but what a mess. At least I got the leaves mulched, and there were lots.

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[Xplantdad]

Wow...snow already!:hmmm:

[Lynn]

87 here in OKC today. 88 tomorrow.

[NorCam]

H-Code

Got your message but couldn't respond for some reason. Car is enroute and will be here in a day or two. And yes, 6 weeks from NJ to Western Canada is the norm these days. Transports are always loaded with exotics headed for Vancouver and they have to make a hole for beaters to fit in with the McLaren's and Maserati's. (lol)

Pictures are a comin...and the weather has gotten better around here. Still a few days left for burning some rubber.

[NorCam]

Got the Nova today but was more excited about the car that was underneath it in the trailer. I say that as a couple years ago I tried chasing an old C/MP 67 Camaro called Checkmate that was campaigned by Paul Mercure around Michigan. The trail went cold on my hunt for the car but someone out of BC Canada must have looked harder than me as it turned up in Michigan and it was in the trailer today. It's now headed to BC.

Here's the car in question. More on this Nova when I take some pictures of it later on.

http://images55.fotki.com/v507/photos/9/61479/11666267/CheckmateCamaro-vi.jpg

[NorCam]

Here's a couple shots of the nova and a walk around video with it running. Paint is pretty cool on it but it's covered in dust and needs washing right now. Looked under it and the floors are super clean. Engine is a little weakling so that will be coming out to make room for upgrades. I'll need to add a wiper transmission, now front cowl panel, clean up some wiring and fix a few things here and there before dropping the 383 motor into it. I'll also put some new wheels on it and start adding some of the day 2 parts over the winter and spring. Should be a fun car come spring time. We'll see how it all turns out as things move along.

IH_Qapn15X8

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Oh yeah...the Cragar frame does fit this car. (lol)

[mockingbird812]

Diggin’ your plan! Keep us posted with your progress......with LOTS of pix!!!:3gears::Can-I-Have-It:

[68l30]

Needs a Ed Stinn decal, be proud of Fast Eddie!!!

BIG

[PeteLeathersac]

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Looks really great, congrats on the successful landing!
Not too far back a member here advertised Ed Stinn decals also another had a Stinn Keyfob.
:beers:
~ Pepe

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[NorCam]

It'd be nice to find an original Ed Stinn decal (hint hint).

Went through the car a little more today. The bad is that the original harness has the wiper motor wires and heater box wires cut short at the terminal block so I'll have to look for an original front wiring harness. Also needs a heater core, wiper transmission, and a new cowl panel as the holes were filled in and painted back in the day.

The good news is that it retains the original M21 dated October 28th, and the original 3:31 12 bolt dated October 17. Might try and find a nice CTB block for it down the road somewhere. Car is 10B so those both align perfectly. The 2nd owner is also sending me a bunch of original pictures from the car from when he owned it over a 24 year span. His neighbor bought it new in 70 from Ed Stinn, added the day 2 mods in the 70's and kept it until 1992. Gary then bought it and kept it until 2016 where it was sold to Mel. Now I'll turn the clock back on it somewhat.

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[Astock]

Went through the car a little more today. The bad is that the original harness has the wiper motor wires and heater box wires cut short at the terminal block so I'll have to look for an original front wiring harness. Also needs a heater core, wiper transmission, and a new cowl panel as the holes were filled in and painted back in the day.




All that is a good thing - car never saw bad whether.

[Damien]

Very cool. Look forward to following along.

[NorCam]

Thought I'd share some pictures provided by Gary Cunningham (the second owner) that show the original car with the original owner. Most of these I am told are from 1970 to 1972 when the car was setup with it's day 2 gear. Looks good with the M/T black valve covers, Cragar SS wheels and the J-bolt traction bars that are still on it now (going to restore them back to yellow and have original decals for them as well). The car has 36,000 miles on it and is still in excellent condition with all original sheet metal intact. Looks like I am it's 4th owner after Mel had it for 2 years. Only spot of rust anywhere on the car is a couple bubbles on the right rear fender lip. They will be addressed and blown in this winter.

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Original stance when new.

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Looks like rear tires were changed.

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Still very original looking

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Bench seat car

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Wheels, J-Bars and Thrust exhaust under there now.

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Looks like M/T slicks on the rear

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Good shot of the Lakewood bars which are still on the car now.

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Don't know what he's holding up here? Parts carton perhaps?

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Look at that 70's hair. I remember those days. Black M/T covers too.

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Original interior w/ bench

[mr.4speed]

Love the vintage pics!

[mockingbird812]

Great shots!!!!!

[Flying Undertaker]

Congrats on your purchase. A beautiful car for sure! I've known about that car since the early 70's, a fellow named Gurkovich owned it and worked at the Sunoco station at Tiedemann Rd. & Brookpark Rd. He used to leave it on the corner of the station when he worked there. I believe he lived in the West Park area of Cleveland. The car was present at the Last Night at Diney's Drive-In on West 117th st. in October of 1975, which had to close due to the construction of I-90 interstate in the area. I remember he had a built 327 with tunnelram and dual quads on the car and with 5:13's, it was wickedly fast! He and a fellow named Duely (spelling?) with a Red 1966 Street Hemi Belvedere hit it off at the light on W.117th & Elmwood Ave. at the end of the evening! I am a friend of Gary Cunningham, the next owner who used to live in the West Park area, and he returned the car to a more streetable vehicle to cruise with during his ownership. It sure brings back memories seeing those pictures! Good Luck with your purchase and keep us updated. Don.

[NorCam]

Very cool hearing anecdotes like that Don, and I thank you for that.

[mockingbird812]

Nice move. I like where you are going. Those are very spunky gutsy motors!!!:eek2:

[Astock]

Great buy on the car and engine.

How years was it, before GM had a higher performance sbc in a production car?

I remember looking at low mile '69 Z's in the '70's, with 1970 LT1 replacements. I would have done the same, with either rebuilding the original 302, or buying a crate LT1.

[NorCam]

Looks like this one will be getting a set of Cragar's thanks to Sam Scardino. I'm thinking 8's and 4's will look good on this car.

[NorCam]

No stock ride height on this car. Not for now anyways. I've got low profile tires for it if needed and also have shorter slicks as well. Wheel lips are already rolled, diff is centered and it has 275's tucked in it right now with no issues. Not really too concerned as I have a few sets of wheels and tires to play with and will find something to fit the rears. Thanks for the numbers in either case.

[outlawperformance]

I'm running Cragar 15x4 fronts and 15x8 rears with custom offset with 4.75 BS with 275 drag radials. The car has stock multileaf springs diff is centered and have no issues. I took the upper shock shaft cover off it would rub.

[NorCam]

Another picture that Gary sent me. From the 90's with the Welds on it.

https://image.ibb.co/b0S3oA/Nova-1990.jpg

[Flying Undertaker]

Don here again. The custom black pinstriping and fogging was painted by another friend of mine, Ron Badiu, back in the early 70's. Ronnie Jr. has his own body shop here in Litchfield, Ohio.

[NorCam]

Don,

If you talk to Ron Badiu, can you ask if that was done over the original paint on the car? Except for the hood it would appear to have mostly original paint with some checking in a few places. I'm thinking the ghosting was done over lacquer and at some point it was clear coated?

Just curious what he may remember about the car and if it was ever repainted?

[DW31S]

Killer car and the Cragars will look right at home. Love the '70s theme myself....

[NorCam]

Playing around with some wheels and tires today. I like the Torque Thrust rims myself and mounted these up with Firestone 5.60.15 front runners on 4" fronts, and a set of NOS Mickey Thompson H50/15's on 8.5" TT's. Thinking I'll drop the front springs and add an inch to the rear for some added clearance via Hurst Air Shocks. Then comes the vintage line loc, Lakewood roll bar and a few other goodies.

Just the start of things to come before the 383 Crossram and M22 go into this puppy.

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[R68GTO]

Looks great! I agree on dropping the front.

[Xplantdad]

Graeme, nice!

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Look's good!! Maybe just a little higher in the rear. Love those wheels...

[Salvatore]

Looks like this one will be getting a set of Cragar's thanks to Sam Scardino. I'm thinking 8's and 4's will look good on this car.

Will look real good Graeme. That is the set up I ran on my 69 SS nova back in 1970. Cragar's never go out of style.

[racer67x]

that does look good..nice job!

[Outlaw68Nova]

Do you know what the original Cragar SS rim and tire sizes were?

[NorCam]

Do you know what the original Cragar SS rim and tire sizes were?

Not at the moment but they sure look like 7" wheels with those narrow slicks in a few of the early pics. When the car had the grump lump, there was a change to bigger wheels and wider slicks which might be 8's on the rear then.

[NorCam]

And another picture that Gary shared with me this week. The Magnum wheels were on the car for a while back in the late 90's to early 2000's. I think these wheels make Nova's look like a quintessential factory muscle car. Classy yet meaningful. I'll probably mount a set of these when I'm finished playing with this car.

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[Mr. Chevy]

Graeme, I recognize that photo. That is at a local show here. I believe that is the rear parking lot of the Chevrolet Parma, Ohio plant where the employees park across the street from the actual plant. Every May a local car club here in the Cleveland area host a show there. Great picture!! I was probably at that show.

Rich

[68l30]

Graeme, I recognize that photo. That is at a local show here. I believe that is the rear parking lot of the Chevrolet Parma, Ohio plant where the employees park across the street from the actual plant. Every May a local car club here in the Cleveland area host a show there. Great picture!! I was probably at that show.

Rich

Funny, I was thinking that's Todd's GTO next to it.....

BIG

[Mr. Chevy]

Funny, I was thinking that's Todd's GTO next to it.....

BIG


Steve, it very well could be.... LOL

Rich

[Astock]

I remember going to a little car show on 71, maybe Strongsville K-Mart, about 20 years ago. There was a nice, original black paint Copo Camaro, with white interior, 4sp-30k miles. Tried to buy it, offered what he thought it was worth. He thought about, but decided he wasn't ready. Nice car.

[68l30]

That was Brunswick K-Mart. A lot of us were “regulars” back then. I know the car very well, it’s moved on. This is still one of the largest, and oldest weekly get togethers. Once billed as the largest unorganized car show in the world. It’s roots go back to the 1960-70’s Manners Big-Boy and even Hot-Rod magazine.

BIG

[Mr. Chevy]

That show/cruise inn holds very fond memories.. Lots of fun there!!

Rich

[NorCam]

You guys are making me jealous. I grew up in Winnipeg where there's a huge car culture and street scene still to this very day. I moved west at 25 and found a hot Saturday night scene here in Calgary but that died off 20 years ago followed by the local track closing up 7 years ago.

Car shows are all that's left here and they bore me with so many late model cars showing up over that of the real muscle cars that are stowed away in urban garages. I wish there was still a street scene here. Smaller demographics over your major US cities and shorter seasons makes it a tough go. Ocean City, Pavillions, Street Machine Nationals, MCACN, SCR, Woodward, Pigeon Forge ETC ETC. For that I am truly envious.

[NorCam]

Big thank you to Mike Angelo for the complimentary Ed Stinn decals which arrived Friday. They'll be put to good use on this little Nova when I get it cleaned up. Been taking stock of what's needed to put some things back to stock. Looking for a clean engine bay harness, cowl panel and wiper arms, and it will need a complete inner heater core as that was removed for weight back in the day. Maybe once I add that and the new motor with those heavy orange headers, it'll add enough weight to drop the front end some. The Crossram will also help add some weight. Here's another picture I found with Cragar's on it. Should be picking up the Cragar"s from Sam next week.

https://image.ibb.co/gNK70A/Ed-Stinn.jpg
(Thanks very much Mike. And you too Rich for the offer of the docs. Two great guys from this site)

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This was another shot Gary Cunningham took of the car when he had it.

[big gear head]

That thing looks so good with Cragars.

[GrumpyJeff]

That thing looks so good with Cragars.

I Agree !!!

[Mr. Chevy]

Graeme, I'll text you later today for your address and send you a nice care package of Stinn stuff.. Sorry I have not done same sooner. Work has been very hectic but I will have time this week..

Rich

[NorCam]

While waiting for some other parts to arrive for the Nova, I did receive a cool little care package from Rich (Mr. Chevy) earlier today. A complete set of dealership issued docs from Ed Stinn Chevrolet which will stay with the car now.

Thank you for all of this Rich. :beers:

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[NorCam]

By chance...would anyone have any pictures of a Lakewood roll bar (Mounting Kit #54050) to fit 68-72 Nova. I have feet for a 69 Camaro #54010 and I'm wondering what difference there is between the 2 as they are likely similar? Hoping I can modify the mounts but curious as to how different the originals are to each other?

Best case scenario would be to find the mounting kit if anyone has one stashed away?

[NorCam]

As of tonight the lift is moved back into my work shop and the Nova is now on it. Time to start tearing this one down and fix a few of the issues I found with it, then drop in the new drive line into it. It's gonna be a fun one for sure.

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[NorCam]

Finally took a day off and decided to start working on the Nova with my 14 year old son Devon. First up was to remove the hood before we started to tear down the front clip. He soon got a good lesson in bumper bolts as we removed the originals after 48 years in use. The first 2 snapped off while he was learning all about leverage and protecting the hands when twisting on 48 year old bolts. I eventually pulled out a persuader and some heat to get the last of couple out. He thought they'd be simple to remove until he saw what it can take. (bahaha) There was a couple *#%&^@'s involved in his first couple bumper bolts. One straggler will need to be cut to remove the bumper since it decided to spin out. (grrr)

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[big gear head]

At least they snapped off and didn't round out the holes.

[mockingbird812]

Great family project. Keep us posted!!!:laugh:

[Salvatore]

Safety glasses a must. Teaching that kid right. looks like a nice little project too. Have fun!

[NorCam]

At least they snapped off and didn't round out the holes.

Except the very last upper left side bolt Freddie. That one allowed the nut to come 80% back off the threads before it packed it in and rounded off the front stops on the carriage bolt head. I'll cut it off tomorrow.

[Mr. Chevy]

Graeme, You look like a man on a mission!!

LOL...

Nova is looking good...

Rich

[NorCam]

Found another day to work on the Nova and finally got that last bumper bolt chopped off. Stripped the front clip and got the motor ready to pull out. It's an 80 Corvette block (2 bolt) that ran like crap but found out why today. Distributor was loose, carb is a turd that someone slapped together, and the fuel was foul (piss yellow). Also found some rust in the front fender corners under the lower belt but the good news today was finding out the heads are unmolested 186's with A-31-9 and B-7-9 dates. I'll see what the bottom end is like once I get it pulled out this week. Maybe I can use this for my kids car.


https://i.ibb.co/k5fYBjR/IMG-2407.jpg

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[NorCam]

Did my usual parts run to Montana today and picked up a couple early presents. Heater box from Woj and a minty set of Cragar's from Sam (the fronts are dead mint). Have everything I need for the Nova now.

I'll put these parts to good use real soon. :youguysrock:

https://i.ibb.co/3zHkrqd/IMG-2422.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Sweet score Graeme! Woj and Sammy have good stashes to be sure. Keep us posted. We love updates with lots of pix!!!!:biggthumpup::3gears::biggthumpup::3gears:

[NorCam]

The Cragar's are going out tomorrow to be mounted with a set of vintage Firestone 500 slicks that I got from Tony a while back. The front runners will get another set of Firestone pie crusts to be used for shows that are close to home. These should give the car that vintage Day II vibe that I'm looking for. For times that require highway miles, I'll bolt these 15" SS repro wheels on the car to give it better handling. Had these mounted up today with a set of the Wide Oval FR70/15 radials and have to admit, I love the look of these. I'll mount them up when all the other work is finished up over the next month or so.

https://i.ibb.co/SvF0zRN/IMG-2434.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/D7qgL1L/IMG-2433.jpg

[Damien]

Love the Cragars!

[NorCam]

I'm really diggin the Drag 500's mounted up. Now the work begins as I set course on restoring the brakes, wiper, wiring and heater box before dropping in the new drive line. Might repaint the front hood to match the ghosted lines and repair the fenders while they are off. Anyone have a good source for lacquer paint?

https://i.ibb.co/qCMZHSH/IMG-2440.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/yQSWVrW/IMG-2438.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/b3j79dt/IMG-2439.jpg

[Damien]

Way cool! Can't wait to see them mounted on the car.

[outlawperformance]

Those drag 500's are badass! I run those back in the day and would love to find another set.

[Mr. Chevy]

Graeme, you can NEVER have too many wheel and tire combos!! Love it... Looking good...

Rich

[mr.4speed]

cant wait to see the cragars on the car!

[scuncio]

Drag 500s look awesome!

[NorCam]

Pulled the seats and carpet out of the Nova today to get an idea of the work I'll need to do in order to mount the Lakewood roll bar into the Nova. It sits nice in there but I'll need to rework the floor plates before painting the car and getting it fixed into the car.

https://i.ibb.co/Dtqp4GJ/IMG-2484.jpg

[GrumpyJeff]

cant wait to see the cragars on the car!

We need some pics w/the Cragars on the car !!!

[NorCam]

We need some pics w/the Cragars on the car !!!

It's coming buddy.

I've been trying so hard not to bolt them on until I'm done. :JeffSucksToo:

[ted]

Morning NorCam!!
Hole drilled in Lakewood near the top of the hoop not correct as "original".
Not being a smart-A$$ ..
Ted in Mtl

[NorCam]

Likely put there from someone who had a harness bolted in? It can stay there...matters not to me. :beers:

[big gear head]

Probably for a head pad. It would be easy to weld closed and smoothed.

[mockingbird812]

Drag 500s and Cragar SSs look killer!!!!!! :worship:

[NorCam]

Not a whole lot of time working on the car the last week or so, but got the motor pulled yesterday, removed the aluminum fuel lines and drained the old fuel. I started removing of the old brake lines last night I'll finish that up today before dropping the tank. Gotta go through the back brakes, pull the Lakewood bars off and treat them to correct paint and some new decals. Also need to decide on some shocks for the back of this car before bolting it back up. While I'm at it, I'm going to do some tunnel work as a previous owner patched it up from the old Super Shifter and the tin work is weak at best. I'm going to reinstall the Super Shifter in this car and run it with an M22 Supercase I have here. Also found a few holes I want to weld up under the car as it must of had a bolt in roll bar at some point in it's street life.

Any of you Ohio guys remember seeing a 3 or 4 point cage in it?

Plan is coming together and it will be ready for early spring with some clean up of the rough edges I've found.

https://i.ibb.co/FXhZ7WL/IMG-2568.jpg

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[NorCam]

Rear brakes are cleaned up and serviced with new e-brake cables installed. Hope to get the brake lines finished this week and then I'm onto the front disks and booster. Also planning to hide a vacuum pump in behind the battery so I have enough stopping power. Car still has original outer drums.

Nice to be working on a car again. :-)

https://i.ibb.co/vj53d2Y/IMG-2633.jpg

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https://i.ibb.co/vmjr03M/IMG-2610.jpg

[Salvatore]

Looking real good NorCam.

[Mr. Chevy]

Graeme, there was never a roll cage in the car the times I saw it.

Rich

[NorCam]

Here's an update after spending a couple solid days working on the Nova. First off, the PO of the car decided to spray the entire underside in flat black prior to listing it for sale. They coated everything under the car in flat black, and I mean everything. I had most of it apart so I decided to cover the car and pulled the diff to repaint it while the trac bars were off. Once painted I added all new hard lines for the brakes. Also cleaned up the frame rails and ran new fuel and brake lines from the rear to the front of the car which cleaned it up nicely. I'll tweak and straighten up the hard lines once I get ahead of the main work.

https://i.ibb.co/7VC5MhV/IMG-2747.jpg

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https://i.ibb.co/K92h8v9/IMG-2764.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/hFMbzRR/IMG-2765.jpg

[NorCam]

Next up I sand blasted the slapper bars to get all the paint off, primed the bare metal and restored them back to yellow. These bars have been on the car since the early 70's and were in real nice shape. I soaked the hardware for a day to remove the old paint and then wire wheeled all the hardware before thread chasing everything. They are now freshly restored with new decals added, and the bars are being reinstalled later today.

https://i.ibb.co/844GsCF/IMG-2762.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/yS5PDks/IMG-2772.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/DfHXVB2/IMG-2773.jpg

[NorCam]

Once I finish installing the rear end and trial fitting some Cragar's, I'll probably do the front sub frame and restore the brake lines and power booster setup. Next to that I'll have to figure out what to do with the tunnel. P/O added this aluminum tin to close up the holes from the previous Ramrod shifter and popped this aluminum cover on with a bunch of pop rivets. Not exactly my style so last night...off it came.

If I run a factory shifter I'll section in some sheet metal and and weld in in nicely. I'm not really sure what shifter I'm going to run quite yet, and may go back to the Ramrod if I can get it rebuilt first. In either case this area will require some cleanup as a minimum. That could include welding up a bunch of drilled holes from many different shift boots having been installed. It's moving along nicely now.

https://i.ibb.co/XDTVbXs/IMG-2767.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/B3GXqmR/IMG-2769.jpg

[Locker537]

Thanks for the update! I love watching your progress with this car.

Are all those holes really just from different shifters?

[NorCam]

I can only assume the holes are from different boots, relocation's, and likely a few cover plates added over the years where things were reconfigured.

One thing is certain, I'll be the guy to cleans it up and sets it right once I decide what shifter I'll be running. I have an M22 supercase to run in the car but still unsure if the Ramrod will be used with it. I actually want a Jerico trans but that will wait until another project.

[Damien]

Great progress Graeme. I vote for the Ramrod!

[NorCam]

Roger that Damien. I'll mock this M-22 up on the bench and connect the Ramrod soon. I can then check it's operations before making the final choice. In the meantime I was banging away at the car again today and finished up the back end. Just need to flush and reinstall the tank here tonight and then I'm onto the front of the car.

https://i.ibb.co/VV2Pc1N/IMG-2777.jpg
T-bolts for the front eye holes with J-Bolts in rear holes.

https://i.ibb.co/D9Fxqz9/IMG-2780.jpg
Original drums were thin so I added some new ones. Old ones are now stored.

https://i.ibb.co/NVyST8r/IMG-2782.jpg
For those who wanted to see them, Cragar's are now on the car.

https://i.ibb.co/6m47QbG/IMG-2786.jpg
J-bolts mounted through the inner rear holes (factory position)

https://i.ibb.co/VT0NYd5/IMG-2787.jpg
Here's the 12 bolt after cleaning it all up and reinstalling it.

https://i.ibb.co/V24QRGp/IMG-2788.jpg
Added some new Munroe shocks and will try them out.

https://i.ibb.co/TqwSTC6/IMG-2789.jpg
And there's the money shot. Car sits nice right now and lips are rolled.

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And here are the Lakewood's before adjusting the the front bumpers.

[mockingbird812]

Great progress Graeme - looking just great! :3gears::3gears::3gears:

[NorCam]

Thanks Sam. I took a few cues from the work you did on your beautiful Chevelle. It's fun seeing it take shape here, that's for sure.

[NorCam]

Still banging away at the Nova here while it's freezing outside. Stored the front brakes away while adding some after market parts so it passes an upcoming safety inspection. The old booster was removed years ago and I couldn't find an original in time so I mounted the Chinese one for now. I know the cam I have won't make any vacuum but I was after the stock look so this is it for the time being. I'm also going to install a vacuum pump and stash it in behind the battery so I have enough vacuum for power brakes.

Cragar's are mounted up, new hard lines are complete, and I only have a couple short links to make at the hold off valve before bleeding the brakes this week. Installed the new heater core, finished up some work under the dash and started laying out some wiring for the engine bay. I found a new cowl panel since the old one was welded up and also took the fenders to my painter to cut the rust out of the bottom corners. He snuck them in for me and did a decent job of blending the paint, although the camera and lighting make it look more silver in the pictures. I'll get them back today but still have a weeks work left before they go on. Getting close to dropping the engine and trans in before fixing up the tunnel area. Finally, I mounted this NOS green line tach and the converted digital EB-9A box on the firewall. Still need to find a couple green line gauges for oil pressure, vacuum and temp. I'll mount those under dash when I find a set.

Because I love pressure, it's entered in for the World of Wheels in 2 weeks so I have to finish it up in two weeks. Thought it might be a fun car to throw into the Calgary show for the locals who appreciate old street cars. Hoping to finish the roll bar, tow tabs amd DS loop before then too.

https://i.ibb.co/BGSSndx/IMG-2810.jpg
These should help it stop.

https://i.ibb.co/7RMsw07/IMG-2822.jpg
4" Cragar's mounted up with Firestone 6.40' up front

https://i.ibb.co/Jygddqx/IMG-2837.jpg
Cleaned up the sub frame and got all the hard lines ran. Only a couple left to plumb at the master now.

https://i.ibb.co/G3R1Rs1/IMG-2829.jpg
Anyone have a couple green line gauges for under the dash they'd want to sell?

https://i.ibb.co/9tmrfXJ/OJIS4814.jpg
Holding up the freshly painted cowl panel to show the color match to fenders.

https://i.ibb.co/yyCK7Gz/XBZS6747.jpg
At this angle the blow ins look lighter, but he assured me it's closer than the picture appears?

[mockingbird812]

Yeah Graeme, looking good!!! Keep ‘em coming!! :burnout:

[NorCam]

Heater box worked out great for me Sam. Thank you for shipping that out. :beers:

[scuncio]

Looks really good. Nice progress.

[NorCam]

After finding an issue with the hold off valve, I changed it out and got all the brakes bled today. Next, I played around with shifters and although the Ram Rod is pretty cool and in great condition (almost NOS appearing), I'd likely tire from it after a weeks use on the street and swap it out for an H pattern. Therefore, I won't be using this shifter and will patch up the hole for use a short throw Super Shifter. Also ran the 383 motor today to get it lubricated before getting it ready to go into the car tomorrow. Gotta keep banging away at it now. :)

https://i.ibb.co/nnBt24B/IMG-2867.jpg

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[Xplantdad]

I....love....it! :)

[big gear head]

Have you seen the price on this?https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1960s-RAM-ROD-HURST-VERTAGATE-4SP-SHIFTER-BOOT-RETAINER-CHEVY-FORD-MOPAR/401441666151

[NorCam]

I know...some people think those rubber boots are made of gold.

Finished sealing up the transmission tunnel and waiting for some epoxy to set. Now back to the shop to get this Lakewood bar fitted into the car.

https://i.ibb.co/nCgXYyK/IMG-2873.jpg

[NorCam]

Now I'm starting to feel it...

https://i.ibb.co/FzM9z2g/IMG-2881.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/0XG1zfT/IMG-2886.jpg

NMW driveshaft loop is coming right up in matching safety red. :cool2:

[L78M22Rag]

The car is looking good Graeme. I’m looking forward to seeing it at the world of wheels.

Who did the paint work?

[Spooky]

Graeme, Looks great! you are making a ton of progress. The 3 point bar is just killer in the car. Did you paint or powder coat it? The color looks spot on to mine.

Scott

[NorCam]

It's painted Scott. We filled and sanded the pitting using USC Icing filler and primed it one more time before shooting it with a good old spray bomb. It's Tremclad Safety Red out of a can but looks really good.

[mockingbird812]

Ah Graeme, you got it going on!! :laugh: All those colors together provide some really nice touches. Spring is gonna be a blast for you!!! :biggthumpup:

:3gears::3gears::3gears:

[WILMASBOYL78]

I like the liquor bottles on the work bench, they are for lubrication needs I assume :smirk:

https://i.ibb.co/Fqrd17b/IMG-2858.jpg

[67 Nova Boy]

After finding an issue with the hold off valve, I changed it out and got all the brakes bled today. Next, I played around with shifters and although the Ram Rod is pretty cool and in great condition (almost NOS appearing), I'd likely tire from it after a weeks use on the street and swap it out for an H pattern. Therefore, I won't be using this shifter and will patch up the hole for use a short throw Super Shifter. Also ran the 383 motor today to get it lubricated before getting it ready to go into the car tomorrow. Gotta keep banging away at it now. :)

https://i.ibb.co/nnBt24B/IMG-2867.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/Fqrd17b/IMG-2858.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/GJCyR0X/IMG-2846.jpg

Graeme,

What did you use for a grommet for the breather on the driver side valve cover? My PVC is in that hole...what is in the passenger side? Is the breather for small block of big? I want to take off the hose for the air cleaner and put a breather there instead. Have the same covers on mine.

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[NorCam]

I like the liquor bottles on the work bench, they are for lubrication needs I assume :smirk:

https://i.ibb.co/Fqrd17b/IMG-2858.jpg

Yes, those are strictly lubricants. The rum seems to lubricate better than the whiskey, so we use the Crown Royal for parts cleaner. Which parts I cannot say. :beers:

[Mr. Chevy]

Looking great Graeme!!

Rich

[DW31S]

Awesome my friend! Love watching your builds!

[Astock]

[QUOTE=big gear head;1434371]Have you seen the price on this?https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1960s-RAM-ROD-HURST-VERTAGATE-4SP-SHIFTER-BOOT-RETAINER-CHEVY-FORD-MOPAR/401441666151[/QUOTE


About 25 years ago, when someone would ask a ridiculous price for a part, we would say thats a Greenhoe price. The seller is J. Greenhoe.

[NorCam]

[QUOTE=big gear head;1434371]Have you seen the price on this?https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1960s-RAM-ROD-HURST-VERTAGATE-4SP-SHIFTER-BOOT-RETAINER-CHEVY-FORD-MOPAR/401441666151[/QUOTE


About 25 years ago, when someone would ask a ridiculous price for a part, we would say thats a Greenhoe price. The seller is J. Greenhoe.

That's hilarious. Had no idea of that.

Someone should make up a smiley with a sign that says that for use here. :bs:

[NorCam]

Rounding the corner here with 10 days left to finish it up before the World of Wheels in Calgary. Finished installing the clutch today, added some solid motor mounts, dropped the stroker motor into the Nova and got the headers set. Once everything else is in to surround the motor, it should have a real nice clean look to it. And a nice lumpy solid cam to announce itself with. More later in the week.

https://i.ibb.co/cyyxpjS/IMG-2911.jpg
Another Hays Gold Clutch which they no longer make. :frown:

https://i.ibb.co/RSMPJLz/IMG-2915.jpg
The custom Day II M/T headers fit like a glove.

https://i.ibb.co/k8dMhBN/IMG-2917.jpg
Even the drivers side has lots of room. Maybe Hooker could fix their design!!!

https://i.ibb.co/gwNpMCS/IMG-2920.jpg
Nice equal length on the collectors as well.

https://i.ibb.co/Y7dfQ16/IMG-2923.jpg
I think I'm gonna run the 302 breather w/ factory base.

[mr.4speed]

Looks awesome! Love the detail

[NorCam]

Debating here this morning whether I have enough time to install the Crossram and get the carbs setup and tuned before I run out of time. One can spend a couple days messing around with the pedal, cable, fuel lines, the odd leak and carb tuning, but I'm tempted to install it while the front clip is off the car.

I'm back and forth on this one at the moment. :dunno:


https://image.ibb.co/nHTy9m/IMG-8167.jpg

[earntaz]

Debating here this morning whether I have enough time to install the Crossram and get the carbs setup and tuned before I run out of time. One can spend a couple days messing around with the pedal, cable, fuel lines, the odd leak and carb tuning, but I'm tempted to install it while the front clip is off the car.

I'm back and forth on this one at the moment. :dunno:


https://image.ibb.co/nHTy9m/IMG-8167.jpg

IMHO ... setup can be a pain in the south end -- but worth it ... get er' done!! Craig

[outlawperformance]

The cross ram setup is an easy tune I can PM you my tuning specs I haven't changed anything after it was setup. Idles all day and blip throttle and its clean and crisp. FYI you'll need to cut down valve cover rails to fit but no biggee. We have similar builds with engine size and cam.

[Crush]

[QUOTE=NorCam;1434741]Rounding the corner here with 10 days left to finish it up before the World of Wheels in Calgary. Finished installing the clutch today, added some solid motor mounts, dropped the stroker motor into the Nova and got the headers set. Once everything else is in to surround the motor, it should have a real nice clean look to it. And a nice lumpy solid cam to announce itself with. More later in the week.


You are a machine!

[Tracker1]

This thing is going to be tons of fun on the street. Nice build Graeme!

[NorCam]

The cross ram setup is an easy tune I can PM you my tuning specs I haven't changed anything after it was setup. Idles all day and blip throttle and its clean and crisp. FYI you'll need to cut down valve cover rails to fit but no biggee. We have similar builds with engine size and cam.

If you can PM the carb or tuning info you have, that would be helpful. I'm on my way out to the shop now to convert the pedal/cable, and start on the Crossram intake and carbs. Thanks for this.

:youguysrock:

[NorCam]

The Crossram is in fact going onto the new motor. It took a while to find all of the parts, but ended up finding everything tonight. Throttle cable and pedal has now been changed, and I'll now mount the intake in the morning.

https://i.ibb.co/dGMK1qQ/IMG-2925.jpg

[big gear head]

That's going to be awesome. This is going to be such a great car when you are done.

[NorCam]

Intake gaskets are set and I'm ready to mount the Crossram, but first comes the new gauges and a 90 degree fitting for the oil pressure gauge. Forgetting to install this BEFORE you install a Crossram intake will cause you some hardship. Ask me how I know this...lol. Anyway, added the 90 fitting to get the line connected and now I'll mount the lower base. Here's a few pics to update the thread.

https://i.ibb.co/10Z2ytQ/IMG-2927.jpg
Installing the oil fitting ahead of the lower base which overhangs the rear of the block.

https://i.ibb.co/LPwmTwn/IMG-2940.jpg
You need a 90 fitting back here or the oil line won't fit under the rear lip of the intake as it overhangs the block.

https://i.ibb.co/yVp6pcd/IMG-2941.jpg
New SW Green Classic Gauges mounted up under the dash.

[GrumpyJeff]

Im digging everything about this thing. I had my eye on that car for a little while before you got. Really neat Car, Great job Dude

[NorCam]

Im digging everything about this thing. I had my eye on that car for a little while before you got. Really neat Car, Great job Dude

Thanks Jeff. Appreciate that buddy.

Here's a few more pics as today continues on toward the finish line. :scholar:

https://i.ibb.co/WK9XkpP/IMG-2952.jpg
Lower base installed and torqued down.

https://i.ibb.co/6y8h63c/IMG-2953.jpg
Those would be some nice original M bolts I got from Sam Scardino

https://i.ibb.co/1Z60D7m/IMG-2955.jpg
And those would be a super clean pair of original 4295 Crossram carbs.

[cook_dw]

Looking really good. Don't forget to flip your valve covers!

[NorCam]

Thanks Darrell.

Covers just got swapped around while put on as dust covers in those pictures. They'll be swapped around when installed.

First I have to mill down the side rails to they can come on an off properly.

Added

Just noticed they were also backwards on the run stand as well. I didn't even notice they went on like that at the machine shop and have been sitting there like that for months.

[NorCam]

Was out in the shop last night trying to decide on what breathers to run. I can't fit velocity stacks under the stock hood and thought I'd see how the low profile crossram breather would look if I got the narrow base, but BLAH. I don't like all that elongated chrome atop this particular engine.

Quest is now on to find a pair of clean looking 9" filters. The K&N 60-1070 would fit the drivers side while the 60-1110 offers an inlet so I could add a vent hose from the passenger side valve cover? Gotta find something in the next few days or it's another rush air shipment from Summit. I'm trying to find something decent looking but options for 9" breathers are pretty limited. K&N has the best shaped tops but that embossed logo isn't period correct either. The hunt continues.

https://i.ibb.co/NNsxkhH/IMG-2961.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/D1R3zwB/knn-60-1110-xl.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/yp19TwR/knn-60-1070-xl.jpg

[Locker537]

Could you color match the elongated chrome cover to the engine block / headers? That might give it quite the look...

Call me crazy, but you could always run the velocity stacks and no hood! Certainly fits with Day II to me!

[NorCam]

Could you color match the elongated chrome cover to the engine block / headers? That might give it quite the look...

Call me crazy, but you could always run the velocity stacks and no hood! Certainly fits with Day II to me!

Yes...no hood is definitely an option. Not a bad idea and your suggestion might just be the ticket for this one. Thanks Steve :naughty:

[outlawperformance]

I ran these cheapies from speedway with my stock SS hood they will fit. The rear carb I bent the lower flange down some and it didn't rub the hood at all. I'll look for a picture with the stock hood. I believe the stock breather with the thin element will work also I'm running the tall one now with the stinger hood.

[NorCam]

Those look good on there. I checked to see what I could find local and nothing for small 9" round breather.

I did find a couple Mr Gasket velocity stacks local to me so that's what I'll use for this show as it's next week.

[Salvatore]

Glad you and outlawperformance is helping to put the 68-72 nova back into the limelight. Both cars are killer and you guys do great work! Throw M Spotts and his boys in this thread and we are golden.

[NorCam]

I love the Spotts Boys Nova as well. It's finished up real nice!!!

And the breathers are settled on for now. It'll hit the show w/o the hood and the velocity stacks actually look like they belong there. I think it gives the Crossram more of a Day II look than most other breather options, and on this particular car I think it rounds it out really well.

A little extra Greaser mode injected under the hood! :3gears:


https://i.ibb.co/qjnKC3D/IMG-2965.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/c68HHzZ/IMG-2963.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/SwdN5LV/IMG-2964.jpg


Headed out to install the M22 and cut the hole for the shifter now. More on that tonight.

[chevyandpontiac]

The engine compartment looks awesome! I am a fan of the velocity stacks

[outlawperformance]

You're rockin this build keep rolling with it!

[SuperNovaSS]

Man, you are fast! It’s looking great!

Jason

[NorCam]

Shifters...what a pain they can be?

Had shifters in and out all day! Cut the new patch panel to install what was supposed to fit but didn't. Welded in a new patch and tried something else...nope! Cut a new hole and tried something else...close. Stay tuned....

[NorCam]

OK...stuck with the tunnel work tonight and found the compromise that made me smile.

New shifter body, old custom mount which positioned the body where I wanted it, and I then took full advantage of a used handle I bought here on the forum a couple months ago. So, if this custom shifter isn't what one would call a Day 2 twist, then I don't know what is, cause it ain't stock. (lol)

This thing is soooo me! :3gears:

V_00gAPv910

[SuperNovaSS]

That is amazing! I love it. There is no way that no console with a pistol grip shifter will not grab everyone’s eyes.


Awesome,

Jason

[R68GTO]

One of the cool things about Day 2 builds....you can throw in your own creativity - very cool idea Norcam!

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Love the pistol grip!!!

The mechanic at the gas station I worked at as a kid had an orange 1967 Chevelle Malibu with SS hood, Cragars, little and huge meats, 327 350 hp, 4 speed, 4.11’s, and a pistol grip but I think his was a longer version.... (Not the crazy long one)

Way to go!!

Ryan W31

[Dave Rifkin]

Man, and I thought I liked your Camaro..........nice work.

[NorCam]

Thanks Dave

Just finished up the shift linkages and it's working great. Next up is the driveshaft and loop.

Then it's ignition time. :burnout:

[Dave Rifkin]

Will we be seeing a "Charlie endorsed" test run down the driveway or something similar?

[NorCam]

While Charlie may have some good weather, we have -15 weather up here and snow. That's part of my driveway on the right, and those old slicks wouldn't get far in this stuff. :worship:

https://i.ibb.co/QkS6WDq/2019-02-15-at-14-59-19-from-Front-Yard-on-csinvr.png

[NorCam]

Finished up a few things on the bottom side today. New emergency brake cable is installed and connected at the pedal, squared away all the shifter linkages and aligned everything, installed a new trans mount, cleaned up this D/S loop and reinstalled it, and installed the driveshaft. Next up is the wiring, the ignition system and all of the peripherals. Hoping to fire it up Tuesday as the weather is supposed to get better and this deep freeze might actually break. Found my Comp 692 Turbo mufflers today and will try and get those on next week as well.

https://i.ibb.co/DgMLYmj/IMG-3011.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/XWLB6Nf/IMG-3012.jpg

Start up weather for Tuesday and Wednesday by the looks of things. May have time to do exhaust! :)

https://i.ibb.co/1MC7ypn/Weather.jpg

[R68GTO]

I'm confused as to why you think you need exhaust?:dunno::3gears:

[outlawperformance]

I'm confused as to why you think you need exhaust?:dunno::3gears:

I love how you think! trying to drive around with open headers and not get caught that's old school for sure!

[big gear head]

My mom is 74 years old and she loves the way my Camaro sounds with the headers open. She doesn't like it when I put the mufflers on. :)

[earntaz]

My mom is 74 years old and she loves the way my Camaro sounds with the headers open. She doesn't like it when I put the mufflers on. :)

Huh??? :cool2:

[mockingbird812]

Tuff, Tuff, TUFFFFFF! Love the look Graeme!!!!!!!

:3gears::3gears::3gears:

[Salvatore]

As always................real nice work Graeme. I think you and Sam (Mockingbird) should open up a Day-2 Shop together. You could both quit your jobs! Attention to detail and work quality is unsurpassed with you two guys.

[Bernhard]

Sweet!

[NorCam]

Thanks guys...

Means a lot coming from so many of the guys I've been watching wrench on cars for years now. Day 2, slicks, wheels, intakes, carbs and ignitions. It all rocks and I truly like all flavors of it be it full or partial.

I was hoping to get lots done today but it's (flipping cold) snowing to beat the band here and today was a total write off. My neighbor came over around 2 PM to get lubricated, then we had to get our other neighbor to come pick us up and to go to town for pizza and yup...more lubrication. I'll get back on the wagon in the AM, but first I need to find the Advil for the morning. (lol) It was a fun night,

[NorCam]

10 AM Sunday, fed and had my 3 cups of caffeine. Still snowing and blowing and still pretty cold here. Managed to give myself a sore back from moving a bunch of snow yesterday but it's time to get back to work again. Doubt I'll have enough time to setup and play with the Rev Pol ignition so I think I'll leave that until later in the spring and install an MSD kit for the time being. I'll stash the controller in the glove box and should get it all wired in today. Then the seats can bolt back in while getting the engine bay buttoned up tomorrow. Looking to fire it Tuesday and test the clutch/trans with a quick roll out into the snow bowl (maybe a quick donut with the slicks on). From there it's time to reinstall the front clip and get it cleaned up to hit World of Wheels on Thursday. Going to drive it in with open headers which should open a few eyes at setup. Here's another view of that foreign Pistol Grip that my neighbors were diggin' on last night.

https://i.ibb.co/DwLyQp2/IMG-2998.jpg

[earntaz]

"foreign Pistol Grip" LOL

[Salvatore]

Looking good Graeme. Does my heart good to know that you would even "think" to back that bad boy out in this weather for anything.

[69z2x4]

Got the Nova today but was more excited about the car that was underneath it in the trailer. I say that as a couple years ago I tried chasing an old C/MP 67 Camaro called Checkmate that was campaigned by Paul Mercure around Michigan. The trail went cold on my hunt for the car but someone out of BC Canada must have looked harder than me as it turned up in Michigan and it was in the trailer today. It's now headed to BC.

Here's the car in question. More on this Nova when I take some pictures of it later on.

http://images55.fotki.com/v507/photos/9/61479/11666267/CheckmateCamaro-vi.jpg
There is a couple pictures on Kil Kare Raceway Memories (on facebook) of one of the sister car to this car. Has a 31 on the window meaning they were the Division three champs in their class the previous year.

[Salvatore]

Those guys always ran good with both their cars back in the 70's early 80's.

[NorCam]

That thing running yet?

https://media.giphy.com/media/tXL4FHPSnVJ0A/giphy.gif

[NorCam]

There is a couple pictures on Kil Kare Raceway Memories (on facebook) of one of the sister car to this car. Has a 31 on the window meaning they were the Division three champs in their class the previous year.

Yes...Mike Keener and Paul Mercure are legendary racers who campaigned a 67 and 68 Camaro under the name Checkmate. Prior to this era they ran an early Corvette, and later campaigned a Vega throughout the 70's. I believe they continued racing all the way up to 2006 when they finally took a break, and later returned to race a 2012 Copo which Mike Keener is still active with today.

:3gears:

[big gear head]

I was just talking to a friend of mine Saturday about the Checkmate cars. Here is Mike Keener's '69 COPO that he raced in '72.

[NorCam]

That's so cool Freddie. Does that car belong to anyone here on the site now?

I'm on the home stretch here with the Nova. Cleaned up the rad support today, mounted the MSD under the dash, wired the ignition and totally re-wrapped the front lighting harness after cleaning up more splices that were found when a P/O moved the alternator to the driver side. Added new 10ga cables from end to end and wired the alternator back to the passenger side where it's supposed to be. I need to find a longer fan belt for this pulley configuration and thought I had a spare 7 blade fan for this car but must have used it?

If anyone has a spare 3947772 fan they like to part with I could use one to mount up an NOS fan clutch that I have sitting here (any date would be fine). I need to finish the alt circuit in the morning and then I'll terminate the starter and get the battery mounted into the car. Won't be long before the fenders are back on and the car is fired up and running. Hopefully tomorrow or Wed at the latest. Cutting it close here now and still need to check for fuel leaks with all these new lines.:naughty:

https://i.ibb.co/p04mcsL/IMG-3022.jpg

[DW31S]

Looking good Graeme! Sometimes we do our best work under the pressure of a deadline!

[Salvatore]

I bet L78 Fred has a few 772 fans and clutches he could help you with.

[NorCam]

Lot's of distractions today as I had to pull some snow off the roof of the house and dig my trailer out of the snow. We then finished up all the wiring that was left to complete on the car, and tightened down all the fuel lines. I'll likely fire it tomorrow and will then assemble the front clip to finish it off. Tonight I buttoned up the interior and got the seats back in it after finishing off the lighting circuits for the gauges, tack and radio. I leave you with a few shots of the interior with more to come on Thursday as I roll it into the show.

https://i.ibb.co/gFBQgbj/IMG-3031.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/wKDqjLP/IMG-3030.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/sJypJxj/IMG-3026.jpg

[Locker537]

Looking real good!

A couple quick donuts in the snow, assuming a proper lack of sand and salt, would be quite the proper way to load this awesome car in the trailer! :3gears:

[NorCam]

Snowing here again today with another inch or two of fresh fluff. Should be ready to fire the car after it warms up a touch this afternoon. I'll grab a video when there's time.

[NorCam]

Didn't warm up too much today. In fact it snowed all day and highways are a total white out here with blowing snow. Another 6" or more on the ground tonight after a foot fell on the weekend. Needless to say I didn't fire the car today and if I even haul it tomorrow, I'll be using the winch as it's real crappy out. It's going to drop over the next day or so with -17 F forecast for Sunday night after the show.

In any case, buttoned up most of the front end today and installed the dust shields on the inner fenders earlier tonight. I still need to finish installing the cowl vent panel, the grill, park lights, front bumper, rocker moldings and fill the car with anti-freeze if it's going anywhere. I can't believe this crap we're getting for weather the past three weeks straight. Here's a couple new pics which gives me a little hope that it will be finished tomorrow. Back at it after 6 hours of rest. Nothing like a little pressure to get things done.

https://i.ibb.co/gMzrqqr/IMG-3040.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/q0NKKRQ/IMG-3041.jpg

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Thank goodness for deadlines!!!

Looks amazing!!

Ryan W31

[GrumpyJeff]

Really neat Car ! Personally I don't see any thing I would do different ? Well done Graeme !!!

[Flying Undertaker]

I was just talking to a friend of mine Saturday about the Checkmate cars. Here is Mike Keener's '69 COPO that he raced in '72.

I believe Mike Keener purchased that car from Ed Stinn Chevrolet here in Cleveland, OH. All Ed Stinn Ordered COPOs had vinyl tops. I do not know if Mike purchased it from Ed Stinn directly or if his local dealer did a dealer trade of cars to obtain it. Don.

[mockingbird812]

Yowza! Nice stance! SMOKIN’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Damien]

Love it! It's going to look great out in the daylight.

[Mr. Chevy]

I believe Mike Keener purchased that car from Ed Stinn Chevrolet here in Cleveland, OH. All Ed Stinn Ordered COPOs had vinyl tops. I do not know if Mike purchased it from Ed Stinn directly or if his local dealer did a dealer trade of cars to obtain it. Don.

Don, I know a retired mechanic from Stinn's dealership, Kenny Danaher, who has a mind as sharp as a tack!!! He remembers everything about the COPOs and said he test drove everyone that came through Stinn's dealership.

He comes to the cruise inns all the time here locally. I will introduce you to him this summer.

Rich

[Mr. Chevy]

Graeme,

The Nova looks killer!! I would tell you good luck at the show, but I know you will win an award there with the car..

Rich

[NorCam]

Love it! It's going to look great out in the daylight.

Didn't exactly see daylight earlier, but we did finish it up just after 6 PM tonight an loaded it into the trailer for the short trip to Calgary. It did open a few eyes as we pushed it in around 8:30 PM tonight. I'll clean her up tomorrow and then I'll walk around the show and check out some of the other rides. It took almost 4 weeks but it was nice to finish it at the deadline. :beers:

https://i.ibb.co/wsxN7km/Loaded.png

[SuperNovaSS]

Amazing! Well done.

Jason

[Xplantdad]

Love it...very nice:biggthumpup:

[x77-69z28]

Can’t wait to hear it!
Buddy

[racer67x]

good looking Nova! :)

[Salvatore]

you are a machine Graeme. Good luck at the show.

[KLars1]

WOW! GREAT job under pressure; Love this car.

[NorCam]

Headed down to the show for a while today. Car's been well received with many saying it brings back memories from back in the day and lots of stories of their favorite street cars from 30-40 years ago. Also had a couple guys say thanks for putting a Nova back on the map and for doing this one right! Had a lot of fun there tonight and saw a lot of good friends. Here's a few angles taken before and after the show today.

https://i.ibb.co/r0SRxK0/IMG-3060.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/bsN1vLr/IMG-3058.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/Q7gPvR7/IMG-3083.jpg

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Trophy is OTW!!!

Ryan W31

[DW31S]

Killer car my friend!

[Locker537]

Looks great at the show! I don't know if trophies are your thing, but the work and look are certainly award worthy!

[mockingbird812]

Stellar Graeme - she looks terrific. Way to put it all together under the gun!!!!! Have fun at the show. The accolades are well deserved!:biggthumpup:

[Mr70]

Very nice '70 Graeme.
What does the DBL NKL plate represent?..55?

[NorCam]

Very nice '70 Graeme.
What does the DBL NKL plate represent?..55?

Yup...plates from my old 55 post that I built in 2012

https://i.ibb.co/Gc5s5SR/Double-1.jpg

[WILMASBOYL78]

:biggthumpup::worship::worship::worship:

-wilma

[NorCam]

Good thing I only do WOW shows about 7 years apart. Tired of walking, talking, and standing. Back is sore, knees are sore, jaw is sore. lol

One more day and it's load it up and come home to start on another car.

[Salvatore]

BUT, nobody's eyes are sore looking at your nova. You did help put the "nova" back on the muscle car track Graeme. looks great!

[67 Nova Boy]

Gotta agree with Sammy, Graeme! Car looks amazing...How do you like the cross ram?

Any fuel line leaks and how many sets did you use to get a set to stop leaking? I used three.

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[NorCam]

Thanks Sam. It's been a lot of fun doing this car back like this.

[NorCam]

Davey,

It's been in the minus teens here the past few weeks so I opted not to fire it in this cold weather. I turned it over last Thursday, but elected not to fire it until it warms up here. The lines are OE steel and they were pre-fit nicely so here's to hoping the leaks are minimal. I'm sure there will be one or two to deal with, but nothing as bad as the stainless lines.

It was flipping cold when we unloaded last night, but the show is done and it was a lot of fun seeing some great people here in Calgary. The car won it's class inSuper Stock, and also won a premier class in Outstanding Street Machine. Here's a pic from last night as we loaded up indoors. :tongue:

https://i.ibb.co/Cw02H19/IMG-3116.jpg

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Congrats, well deserved!!!

What does the window sticker say?

Ryan W31

[NorCam]

It's a copy of an Ed Stinn dealer invoice I made as a reproduction with the original owners name and address noted, as well as listing the few options it was originally equipped with. Just something thrown together for people to read while looking the car over. Nothing too accurate.

https://i.ibb.co/wJVzDvd/Build-List-Repro.jpg

[67 Nova Boy]

Davey,

It's been in the minus teens here the past few weeks so I opted not to fire it in this cold weather. I turned it over last Thursday, but elected not to fire it until it warms up here. The lines are OE steel and they were pre-fit nicely so here's to hoping the leaks are minimal. I'm sure there will be one or two to deal with, but nothing as bad as the stainless lines.

It was flipping cold when we unloaded last night, but the show is done and it was a lot of fun seeing some great people here in Calgary. The car won it's class inSuper Stock, and also won a premier class in Outstanding Street Machine. Here's a pic from last night as we loaded up indoors. :tongue:

https://i.ibb.co/Cw02H19/IMG-3116.jpg

The OE lines will be better in the leak department then the S/S. My Caliper lines are S/S and just waiting for them to start the process of DRIP/DRIP!! Looks great Graeme.

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

It's a copy of an Ed Stinn dealer invoice I made as a reproduction with the original owners name and address noted, as well as listing the few options it was originally equipped with. Just something thrown together for people to read while looking the car over. Nothing too accurate.

https://i.ibb.co/wJVzDvd/Build-List-Repro.jpg

Very nice!!!

Ryan W31

[cook_dw]

Congrats but you might wanna spell check your reproduction paperwork.


4 - Speed Close Ration Transmission

[NorCam]

Not the only one Darrell

Grey & Gray :haha:

[Salvatore]

Graeme is the man. The car won Super Stock, fitting for his nickname SS/LA. O Canada has a new SS champion.

[Mr. Chevy]

Congrats Graeme. Paperwork looks great also. I was wondering if that was what was in your side window when I saw the pics of the car at the show.

Rich

[mockingbird812]

Jiminey Graeme!! Did you leave any awards for the rest of the attendees?! Well done and CONGRATS!! Love it when a plan comes together especially with sEvErE time crunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NorCam]

Not being a trophy guy, I thought the car did great and got more enjoyment out of the people who viewed the car. Tons of action on the original paint and the lacquer checking which was a huge huge hit. The Cross Ram was another favorite for many people. I did know a few of the ISCA judges from previous years and each of them had some strong love for the car. Post awards, one called it "bitchin" while another said he'd really like to own it.

Thanks to Rich for the original Ed Stinn dealership paper, I made a photo copy and filled in a few blanks to go along with the car. That was a huge hit with the ladies as I saw many stop to read about it. Notably, a few stopped to share stories of their fathers or grandfathers having owned and driven Nova's. A couple ladies reminisced about old boyfriends who drove built up Nova's back in the day. Best part was meeting an older Nova guru who was citing off RPO numbers and production data like he ran the GM line. A very knowledgeable man who I really appreciated chatting with for some 45 minutes. He liked the original sheet metal and closely inspected the trunk to say it's one of the cleanest originals he'd ever seen.

The car is now put away while I wait for warmer weather to arrive here. I want to roll it outside and fire it up so bad. Still bloody cold here for at least the next week. Hopefully this cold stuff breaks real soon as it's now been 4 straight weeks of deep freeze. Thanks again for all the comments and support on the car. It's been a fun one to slam through. Next on the rack is the green 69 which starts next week.

[Damien]

Graeme, I found this pic from the weekend.
Not sure if you're on FB or not.

[NorCam]

Cool...

Just read some of the comments and people had some nice things to say in that post.

Thanks for that Damien

[NorCam]

Hood is back on the car and exhaust is being fab'd up in the days ahead. Planning to fire it up this week and want to make sure I can still hear after I get it running and set the carbs up. Also had to kick it out of the back shop as the shop is now setup for another car to get assembled. I'll post some video when the Nova's fired up running later this week or early next week if I have to battle any leaks with the fuel lines. Busy week ahead of me so time permitting.

https://i.ibb.co/w4Vf6N9/IMG-3235.jpg

[Salvatore]

Looks good GB. Lets hope the snow stays away and the weather eases up a little for you too.

[NorCam]

Weather's getting better but still hasn't hit the plus temps they were forecasting earlier in the week. Hoping to run the Crossram motor on Sunday and got a couple Day II mufflers rigged up for the initial start. Yes, those are a mint set of 692 Turbo's with turn outs behind them, and they are so gonna suit this car. I'll get these mounted up sometime tomorrow.

https://i.ibb.co/8gTJJzq/IMG-3248.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/QdM6jTs/IMG-3249.jpg

[NorCam]

Bolted in some temporary exhaust on the weekend and couldn't wait for better weather to fire this thing up. It is supposed to hit 45-55 degrees in another few days but we rolled the car out to fire it up in the low 30's. Damn near froze with a brisk north wind out there but it was fun all the same. Had a few small fuel leaks to deal with but it fired up first turn and was a breeze to dial in. Still need to set the timing and adjust the float bowls, but ran it for 5 minutes before driving it back into the shop for the night. Here's a little compilation I threw together this evening. Video of the car running is right at the end of the project pics.

More when it's dialed in and properly timed. Sounds pretty nasty even through the exhaust.

nAqqMmupV5Y

[67 Nova Boy]

Graeme,

Great job on the car!! Started right up. Electric fuel pump or mechanical? Sounds really good and congratz on your fine work!

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[napa68]

Looks and sounds killer Graeme!

[NorCam]

Graeme,

Great job on the car!! Started right up. Electric fuel pump or mechanical? Sounds really good and congratz on your fine work!

Dave
67 Nova Boy

Stock type mechanical pump Dave. Had a couple little leaks off a pair of lines and a couple bowls that needed tweaking but other than that it was pretty much uneventful. Hit if off first bump as timing was nearly dead on and all was good from there.

When it warms up some I'll do some further tuning and really get it dialed in. Also waiting for a couple breathers I ordered and they should be here in a few more days. Shake down runs are only weeks away now.

[ccarccrazy]

Yes, You are correct Rich, The photo of the car with the Magnum wheels was the Metro Burn Unit Show in Parma on Chevrolet Blvd. I believe that was 2004.

[NorCam]

The car did get a new pair of shoes yesterday. It's now wearing a set of repro Magnum SS wheels with Firestone Wide Oval F70/15 Radials. These will be used whenever they are needed, but most of the time the car will dawn vintage bias ply rubber. New breathers were added yesterday and a few shakedown runs will be scheduled when things thaw out here in a couple weeks.

https://i.ibb.co/XV9ngvr/IMG-3274.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/Ny9rkfF/IMG-3271.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/44MZ6Bv/IMG-3283.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Bolted in some temporary exhaust on the weekend and couldn't wait for better weather to fire this thing up. It is supposed to hit 45-55 degrees in another few days but we rolled the car out to fire it up in the low 30's. Damn near froze with a brisk north wind out there but it was fun all the same. Had a few small fuel leaks to deal with but it fired up first turn and was a breeze to dial in. Still need to set the timing and adjust the float bowls, but ran it for 5 minutes before driving it back into the shop for the night. Here's a little compilation I threw together this evening. Video of the car running is right at the end of the project pics.

More when it's dialed in and properly timed. Sounds pretty nasty even through the exhaust.

nAqqMmupV5Y

Good GOOD video Graeme! Nicely done! I have to admit i like the sound of your Nova better than that song!!! :wink:

[NorCam]

OK Sam. Here's a walk around clip. No pics, no talking and no music.

Just an 1800 rpm idle through the exhaust. :)

DqL8Rz7s_3M

[Mr70]

I hear music.. :burnout:

[mockingbird812]

SAAAAHWEEEEET!!! Yep, that’s good stuff Graeme!! Thanks!! :laugh::biggthumpup::laugh::biggthumpup::laugh:

[NorCam]

Man that was awesome. Read Sam's reply and clicked on the video again to watch it (or better yet...hear it) and the next video that loaded after the car was this Corsair on a first start up. Watched the whole video and I flat out love these planes. My all time favorite WWII plane and the coolest engines powering them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGBXShuUZ-8

[mockingbird812]

Watching “Battle of Britain” now re: thunderous piston engined WWII fighters!!!!!:biggthumpup: