Sam Grewal’s 1970 F85 W31 M20 - - Rallye Red Restoration

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Big News Olds Fans!!

“Got her home ...... a ‘70 F85 W31- one family car owned car since new. I purchased it from the son of the original who had put his dad’s car away in a barn in 1988. The car needs to be restored.

The car still retains all its original drivetrain with ALL W31 components present including the carb and balancer.

This W31 was ordered new at Dangerfield Motors Limited in Barrie Ontario, Canada.
I have the GM Canada Vintage Vehicle Services paperwork along with other original documents.

Special order (Y62): Rallye Red (73) , black interior w/bench (900), 4 speed (M20), 3.91, deluxe wheel (N30), and AM radio (U63) and carpets (B30).
*** (the car is currently painted black)

The car also came with a wide variety of NOS parts for 70-72 along with all the OLDS parts from a 30 year collection!!! It was a BIG haul!

Special thanks to my bro Ranjit Soomal for helping with the car/parts haul and Ron Kennedy for making it possible!

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Original Owner did not order B90 trim.......

Oh the humanity...

Sam received several sets of B90 trim so we could upgrade.... nope this car is real and needs to go back to as Lansing Built her.

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

All the original special W31 items are in place, balancer, carb, hood, etc,etc!!!

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

The car deal came with a major parts haul. The OO has an extra F85 parts car that was crushed when his building collapsed (the roof is damaged on the F85 W31 as well but the parts car took the brunt of the damage)

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Look at these 1973 Ontario Plates!!

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

This car came with most of another car :-)

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

The F85 was sold new in Barrie Ontario.

Dangerfield Motors, which turned into Georgian

Ryan W31

[chevyman0429]

Ryan is this your car?

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Ryan is this your car?

Nope, my friend Sam Grewal bought it. I am helping restore it.

Ryan W31

[ScottG]

Nice !!

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

The original TO 3.91 anti spin rear. This will be such a great combo with the M20.

Ryan W31

[PeteLeathersac]

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Awesome news Ryan and big congrats Sam!
Don't you dare add B90 Chrome as a '70 W31 Post w/ painted Door Frames/B-Pillars is a beautiful combo also cool this one's a Canadian car too!
Online info suggests George Dangerfield Jr. may still be alive in Barrie so could be worth tracking down for info/emblem also slim chance of Dealer paperwork?
Looking forward to updates and best of luck w/ the project!
:beers:
~ Pete

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[Ryan1969Chevelle]

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Awesome news Ryan and big congrats Sam!
Don't you dare add B90 Chrome as a '70 W31 Post w/ painted Door Frames/B-Pillars is a beautiful combo also cool this one's a Canadian car too!
Online info suggests George Dangerfield Jr. may still be alive in Barrie so could be worth tracking down for info/emblem also slim chance of Dealer paperwork?
Looking forward to updates and best of luck w/ the project!
:beers:
~ Pete

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Thanks Pete!!

Please do a deep search for dealer info and memorabilia!!

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

More detailed pictures.

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

More Pictures

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

More pictures :-)

[Postsedan]

This will be a nice fun restoration.....especially with all the extra parts.

My offer still stands....on keeping tabs on her for Sam :)

Yippee....no B90....I agree with Pete 100% :)

Ryan you will do a great job on Sam's W-31.

Dan

[cook_dw]

Looks like a fun project. Enjoy the hobby.

[SS427]

Another great Ryan build to follow and with another car with solid bones. Good luck Ryan and keep us all in the loop.

[Canuck]

My In laws lived in Barrie,so I was there lots between 77 and 87.
I used to see a lot of 70-72 Cutlasses.
Not familiar with Dangerfields, but they probably sold because they did not get much respect.

[Postsedan]

My In laws lived in Barrie,so I was there lots between 77 and 87.
I used to see a lot of 70-72 Cutlasses.
Not familiar with Dangerfields, but they probably sold because they did not get much respect.

Ha, funny :)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MecU2keW54I

Dan

[chevyman0429]

Nope, my friend Sam Grewal bought it. I am helping restore it.

Ryan W31

Another fine build by Mr Weaver keep us posted buddy!

[Damien]

Very cool Ryan. I'm sure you guys will make her right!
I look forward to following along.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Thanks for all the votes of confidence!!!

I am looking forward to doing a more in depth project this time. (I can eat those words in the future :-))

Sam is already looking for 4.66 gears so we can play at PSMCDR :-) I learned from my car that it is imperative to stay on track... we will decide up front if it is to be stock or Banzi-Stock.

I really enjoyed the restoration process and this will be a major learning curve yet again, there are lots of items on my car that stayed as is... this car is a little tougher and needs more love!!

Ryan W31

[WILMASBOYL78]

Cool car...does it run now?? Couldn't decipher from the thread...

Good luck.

-wilma

[DW31S]

Looks like it’ll be a straightforward resto; everything is there! Get it done and bring it down to the east coast of the good ole’ USA! Between Minore, Tweed, Jeff Kane and your’s truly, we could get some good ‘31 grudge racin’.....

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Cool car...does it run now?? Couldn't decipher from the thread...

Good luck.

-wilma

Last ran in 1988

Nope.

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Looks like it’ll be a straightforward resto; everything is there! Get it done and bring it down to the east coast of the good ole’ USA! Between Minore, Tweed, Jeff Kane and your’s truly, we could get some good ‘31 grudge racin’.....

That sounds amazing!!

Ryan W31

[chevyman0429]

Weavers restorations! It’s got a great sound

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Weavers restorations! It’s got a great sound

RamRodRyanResto

:-)

Ryan W31

[Canuck]

Weavers Wonderful Westorarions.

[Postsedan]

I have even a better one.....but it’s not PG rated :)

Dan

[XXXGoldL34M20]

Right on Ryan, just read this thread congrats to Sam, should be a cool car when done. Have fun with the build !!

[DW31S]

I have even a better one.....but it’s not PG rated :)

Dan

Never known you to use profanity.....

[Rixls6]

This will be fun to watch Sam and Ryan.
Sam has the right guy to help here, being that Ryan is fresh off his own W31 resto.
Way to jump headlong into the hobby.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Thanks guys!!

Sam and I are going to meet together, look over the car end to end, and then chunk it out... (decide where to disassemble, what order to restore the car, et)

I have been looking into sheds, but as always things cost money... I should have known :-) I need a close by place to work on the car. Thinking......

Ryan W31

[Postsedan]

I have been looking into sheds, but as always things cost money... I should have known :-) I need a close by place to work on the car. Thinking......



Hire and fly up "A12pilot" he could build you a work shop in 13 days, if not sooner :)

Dan

[Tracker1]

Good gracious, that will be a fine looking piece when done, he is lucky so many big dollar pieces stayed with it. Awesome find.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Hire and fly up "A12pilot" he could build you a work shop in 13 days, if not sooner :)

Dan

He and the Mrs. are welcome anytime!!! (I still question if he has a few hired hands working in the back ground :-))))

I will get a lumber yard credit card!!!

Ryan W.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Good gracious, that will be a fine looking piece when done, he is lucky so many big dollar pieces stayed with it. Awesome find.

Metalwork is going to be a bit of an investment as you know all to well but imagine this orange Junior Supercar when done!!!!

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Sam, Terry(RamblerDealer) and I plan to have an F85 meeting Saturday. Look over the car.... maybe start it...... do some donuts....

I started a spread sheet, and Sam is gathering parts right off the hop. E-brake cables, suspension bushings, etc, etc.

We are looking at rotisserie’s, I want to use the style that can be used to lift the. OSG off the frame as well as a typical rotisserie, and obviously will be used to put the wickedly orange body back on the beautifully detailed chassis.

The car came with an extra rolling chassis which we wil use to support the body as the chassis is completed.

One thing I learned on my resto is that the engine/trans can be left till later in the process so I plan to set that whole assembly aside for a while. (I want to have it rebuilt, Dyno it, and install it)

Another process change I want to try this time is to break apart the front clip with the chassis as many parts can be media blasted and powder coated together as one package deal.

Ryan W31

[Postsedan]

Nice!

Yep, Your learning :)

Dan

[Tracker1]

wow look at those Canadian axle tubes - I see much filling and sanding ahead for you Weaver-san. Fill on , sand off.

[Woj]

Very interesting car Ryan. Looking forward to the build.

Good luck!

[A12pilot]

Thanks for the invite, Ryan! Well.. the barn is finally done minus a few minor details... so now I need something to do. I'll build that hut for ya! What's today, Thursday? Should be operational by Tuesday!:biggthumpup::laugh:

Looking forward to this build! Another Weaver Wonder Westowation!!:worship:

Cheers
Dave

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

wow look at those Canadian axle tubes - I see much filling and sanding ahead for you Weaver-san. Fill on , sand off.

More than just the axle tubes!!!

An actual Canadian car!! (Built in Lansing of course)

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Thanks for the invite, Ryan! Well.. the barn is finally done minus a few minor details... so now I need something to do. I'll build that hut for ya! What's today, Thursday? Should be operational by Tuesday!:biggthumpup::laugh:

Looking forward to this build! Another Weaver Wonder Westowation!!:worship:

Cheers
Dave

WWW.WWWestowations.com :-)

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Very interesting car Ryan. Looking forward to the build.

Good luck!

Me too!!!

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Sam, Ranjit, Terry (RamblerDealer),and I spent the morning assessing, pulled out incorrect bucket seats and console. (Perfect to sell)

This car is untouched, every single item we could think of was in place, we verified the trans code and VIN, lots of fun.

She needs lots of love :-)

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

A couple action shots.

Ryan W31

[Postsedan]

WHY are you NOT WEARING your Safety Glasses :(

With all that scaly rust under that car....you should know better.

Dan

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

WHY are you NOT WEARING your Safety Glasses :(

With all that scaly rust under that car....you should know better.

Dan

After the photo opp I put on my full shield, but wanted to look pretty for the picture :-)

Agree, I hit the bottom with a hammer and got a shower.

Ryan W31

[DW31S]

Put your shield back on....we all know what you look like! (LOL)
Getting rusty metal in your eye(s) is no fun.....having it removed is worse. You'll only have to do it once, and then you will ALWAYS wear a mask or safety goggles. Waddya think is one of the first questions you are asked before an MRI? "Have you ever had metal in, or removed from your eyes? It's not a laughing matter.

[DW31S]

[QUOTE=Postsedan;1437849]WHY are you NOT WEARING your Safety Glasses :(

With all that scaly rust under that car....you should know better.

Dan[/QUOTE

Indeed he should. And a woolie cap or a hood. That s#!t gets everywhere. I learned the hard way building one of my old race cars about 35 years ago. Not a whole lot of fun watching the ER doc stick a needle in my eye to remove rusty metal. Yes, even fresh metal will be rusty by the time you get to the ER. I ALWAYS wear safety gear now!

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Solid points!!

Safety first.

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

The first step to restore a 1970 F85, is to detail the front clip of a 1969 442 Convertible.

It is really hard to stay on track with so many fun projects to pick from.

This is a one owner (Sam is owner 2) Glade green 4 speed 442, manual steering, manual brakes. We are going to restore the front clip and the body is getting painted.

Ryan W31

[firstgenaddict]

3.90 with a M20 is a brutal first gear for an A body...

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

3.90 with a M20 is a brutal first gear for an A body...

Brutal as in fantastic?

Ryan W31

[olredalert]

----Brutal=GOOD!!! Got another package for you, Ryan...….Bill S

[SS427]

This is gonna be fun to watch. Ryan has his work cut out for him but he is definitely the man for the job. :)

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

----Brutal=GOOD!!! Got another package for you, Ryan...….Bill S

Whew!!! My first gear ratio is similar to M20 2.50 and 3.91. (Mine is M22Z 2.99 and 3.42)

Thanks for accepting another package, I need to have a set of gauges delivered too. :-)

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

This is gonna be fun to watch. Ryan has his work cut out for him but he is definitely the man for the job. :)

Thanks for the vote of confidence!!! There are so many W-Machines at Sam’s we are going to get a Convertible going first.

Ryan W31

[EZ Nova]

I would like to know what the difference is in a W-31 and a regular 1970 olds 350?

Balancer, and alum intake. I would think cam, but what else?

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

I would like to know what the difference is in a W-31 and a regular 1970 olds 350?

Balancer, and alum intake. I would think cam, but what else?

Now you are speaking my language!!!

Many subtle differences.

Special clutch (same as an L88)

W31 only specific items below:

Balancer
KA special water pump pulley
Flat top pistons
#6 heads (the W31 #6 heads have with 2.007 intake 1.625 ex)
Camshaft
Valve springs (also for W30)
Intake
Carb
Ignition has special calibration
Breather OAI

This is by memory.... I must have missed a few differences.

Ryan W31

[EZ Nova]

Thanks Ryan.

I've always heard of the W31 and a friend of mine built a W31 back in our High School days (early 80's). Car ran high 12's. It was a '70. We (group of car "kids" at the time) thought it should have ran better, like low 12's maybe even 11's. We always thought the Mallory Uni-lite ignition was crap.

Just increasing my knowledge base. Had an idea for a W31 "inspired" Rallye 350? I "heard/read" that unless you have a build sheet, original bill-of-sale, there is no way to tell if the Rallye 350 is a real car or a made up one? Talking to a buddy last night, he says I should do a Rallye 455!!!!!

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Thanks Ryan.

I've always heard of the W31 and a friend of mine built a W31 back in our High School days (early 80's). Car ran high 12's. It was a '70. We (group of car "kids" at the time) thought it should have ran better, like low 12's maybe even 11's. We always thought the Mallory Uni-lite ignition was crap.

Just increasing my knowledge base. Had an idea for a W31 "inspired" Rallye 350? I "heard/read" that unless you have a build sheet, original bill-of-sale, there is no way to tell if the Rallye 350 is a real car or a made up one? Talking to a buddy last night, he says I should do a Rallye 455!!!!!

Depends if you are talking Pure stock or modified... the record for pure stock is 12.38 ET, modified is unlimited.

Rallye 350’s are cool, especially the Sports Coupe’s!!!

Ryan W31

[EZ Nova]

So is there any way to tell that the car is a legit Rallye 350?

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

So is there any way to tell that the car is a legit Rallye 350?

- - dash dash special order Sebring yellow paint would be a good first step.
As far as I have read no W31 Rallye 350’s were built but W27’s were built.

Ryan W

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Sam’s F85 is getting some barn find ink in Bone Stock and Modified Muscle Cars.

Ryan W31

PS: Talked to a few shops this week to see about starting the sheet metal replacements/repairs.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Found an XT wheel for sale here on sYc so now we have 2....

Anybody got more singles?

Ryan W31

[PeteLeathersac]

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Heads up Ryan/Sam, Dangerfield Motors Matchbook on eBoy as link below...
Any updates on this '70 W31 Post?
:beers:
~ Pete

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Dangerfield Motors Matchbook eBoy link...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/312579210989?ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay .com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-53200-19255-0%252F1%253Ficep_ff3%253D2%2526pub%253D5574735181% 2526toolid%253D10001%2526campid%253D5336086427%252 6icep_item%253D312579210989%2526ipn%253Dpsmain%252 6icep_vectorid%253D229466%2526kwid%253D902099%2526 mtid%253D824%2526kw%253Dlg%2526srcrot%253D711-53200-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D2079741894638%2526rvr_ts%253Da58f 9b5d16c0aca066703a4afffdd031&ul_noapp=true


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[Lynn]

Don't know how I missed this thread. Looks like it has been around since Feb.

Hey Ryan, how about some updates?

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Pete: Thanks, I let Sam know so he can buy them. Nice memorabilia !!!

Lynn: This one stalled big time!!! I haven’t been nearly as available as I thought I would be and Sam bought a survivor 1969 Cutlass S W31 4 Speed and he has been working through the bugs to get it back on the road (sat since 1988)

Ryan W31

[Stefano]

What is the status of this project?

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

A friend of ours owns it now and is restoring it.

It will be such a killer car when completed!!!

Ryan W31

[Stefano]

How about some more info and pictures? How is this project coming along?

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

I’ll ask the new owner.

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

He says he will share when it gets a little further along.


Ryan W.

[Stefano]

Pics, status update?

[72xw30]

Here you go :)
Happy Holidays!

[Stefano]

Nice, congrats! Thanks for sharing.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Such a special car!!!

Ryan W31

[Stefano]

Time for more pictures : )

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

All done

Ryan W31

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

W31

[bugsy]

friend of mine has a 1970 F35 W31. has owned it for 50 years. also has the RARE W27 rear. Thorton restorations painted the car a few years ago. car will be at MUSCLEPALOOZA this weekend at Maplegrove.

[Stefano]

Your friend has one of the 207 similar to the subject car. Oldsmobile has production records of total W27s installed up to June of 1970 @ 355 units in all qualifying W-Machines so he has a very low production car as equipped. Is his a 4 speed or automatic?

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

There is a local car optioned like that as well.

1970 F85, W31, M21, W27, special - - paint, history since new, sold new in Ontario, long time or original owner (I can remember)

Owner even have pictures of it at Cayuga.

Ryan W31

[Stefano]

Another one? What color?

[bugsy]

Stefano, my friends is a turquoise blue color. bought it when he was 15 years old. yes it is a F85 W31 Automatic with W27 Aluminum rear. Thorton boys here in Pa did alot of work on his car. 1st one of these they worked on.