1969 Olds W31

[1967Z28]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-OLDSMOBILE-CUTLASS-W31/233279250379?hash=item365086dfcb:g:p3oAAOSwcIxdHrr 2

Has been shown at MCACN. 4.33 gear car, which is pretty cool. Very nicely done car.

[DW31S]

Not a real one.

[1967Z28]

Not a real one.

Can you provide any more details? Fake docs or something? Sorry I posted it if that's the case. Just looked like a nice car.

[RST]

Those are some bold claims in the add if its a fake? Please elaborate?

[DW31S]

It is a VERY nice car, however, it is not a factory assembled W-31. The car is well known in the Oldsmobile world, especially among the W-31 fans. The truth came out when it was at MCACN a few years ago; the savvy Olds guys knew before that. The eBay wording is nefarious and never claims to be a genuine car. There is another claimed '69 W-31 floating around that has also duped some people, especially the folks at Hemmings when it was awarded Muscle car of the Year in 2008. Without bulletproof docs, W-31s are somewhat easy to create and can fool even some of the best car people. The Oldsmobile P-O-P doesn't list pertinent info like others, so having one, while helpful with some info., isn't a way to authenticate a car or drivetrain. The longblock and intake on a standard '69 350/310 will look IDENTICAL to a genuine W-31 engine, so the "Numbers Matching" or "Original Engine" could very well be true. The W-31 specific camshaft, pistons and valves are NOT visible unless the engine is taken apart, so creating the illusion by adding the correct 7029255 Q-Jet and thicker harmonic balancer isn't terribly hard other than being expensive. Even the exhaust manifolds and distributor that are used on the 325 horse W-31 will carry the same numbers as the 310 horse version. The automatic transmissions used in the factory-built W-31s are different that the pedestrian Turbo 350 and the eBay listing has some clever words to disguise the fact the trans currently in that car wasn't installed on the assembly line.
I will say that this particular car and the other I mentioned (it is also blue, but a lighter shade) were NOT invited back to MCACN this past year for the "W-31 Invitational".

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Following.

Ryan W31

[RST]

It is a VERY nice car, however, it is not a factory assembled W-31. The car is well known in the Oldsmobile world, especially among the W-31 fans. The truth came out when it was at MCACN a few years ago; the savvy Olds guys knew before that. The eBay wording is nefarious and never claims to be a genuine car. There is another claimed '69 W-31 floating around that has also duped some people, especially the folks at Hemmings when it was awarded Muscle car of the Year in 2008. Without bulletproof docs, W-31s are somewhat easy to create and can fool even some of the best car people. The Oldsmobile P-O-P doesn't list pertinent info like others, so having one, while helpful with some info., isn't a way to authenticate a car or drivetrain. The longblock and intake on a standard '69 350/310 will look IDENTICAL to a genuine W-31 engine, so the "Numbers Matching" or "Original Engine" could very well be true. The W-31 specific camshaft, pistons and valves are NOT visible unless the engine is taken apart, so creating the illusion by adding the correct 7029255 Q-Jet and thicker harmonic balancer isn't terribly hard other than being expensive. Even the exhaust manifolds and distributor that are used on the 325 horse W-31 will carry the same numbers as the 310 horse version. The automatic transmissions used in the factory-built W-31s are different that the pedestrian Turbo 350 and the eBay listing has some clever words to disguise the fact the trans currently in that car wasn't installed on the assembly line.
I will say that this particular car and the other I mentioned (it is also blue, but a lighter shade) were NOT invited back to MCACN this past year for the "W-31 Invitational".

WOW ……………… Thank you for the detailed accounting ….. very sad that people would play games with wording and misrepresent a car like this …. that is why this is such a great site!

Big Thank you!

[454_Malibu]

This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing.??

[southernfriedcj]

I messaged the seller via Ebay and asked: "Hello, did your car leave the factory as an original W31 car or is it a clone? Thanks"

Seller's response: "Just like the add says"