Copo on ebay

[Danzo]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Copo-Camaro/264492194705?hash=item3d94f69b91:g:s5sAAOSwVWpdjlH o

[ZLP955]

124379N666906
Buy It Now price US$175,000

[RPOLS3]

Redlines where a factory option???

[COPO]

Curious why no D80 on TT for an 07A car?

[bbbentley]

Redlines where a factory option???

Yes, Redlines available.
RPO PW8 or PY5 (belted equivalent)

[PeteLeathersac]

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Below pics and more here...
http://showroom.auction123.com/overstreet_house_of_cars/inventory/9508/1969/CHEVROLET/CAMARO/124379N666906.html
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~ Pete

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[PeteLeathersac]

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[Lynn]

I do have some questions. Would love to be shown that I am wrong, but...

Need one of the experts here to weigh in on the POP and WS. Wasn’t the M22 option more than $195.40; like something over $300? M20 / M21 were $195.40.

Lots of curious details on this car, besides lack of D80 on the TT.

Driver’s door should have the two locating ribs for the vin decal (should not have the decal, which didn’t start until August, but should have the ribs which started in June).

Couple of pics make the bottom of the car look like red oxide. Is that just a reflection? Bottom of car should be dark gray, with possible color variations, but not ruddy red oxide like a 1970.

Top of metal dash is way too shiny.

Shouldn’t the vin plate be painted dash color?

Auction says interior is all original, but the door panels look kind of puffy, like repops.

Door latches and three screws should be painted body color. Ditto for deck lid bolts.

[Stefano]

Curious why no D80 on TT for an 07A car?

What am I missing? Why should a non spoiler COPO have a spoiler designated on the trim tag? I believe some of the other Queens city COPOs were also non spoiler cars.

Calling JB resident Queen City Expert.

[Lynn]

Of course, you are correct Stefano. I wasn't even paying attention to the pics after seeing the post about no D80.

[Stefano]

Sam Pierce the Chevrolet dealer tracked this car down and restored it as he was doing with many Muscle Cars a while back. Told me he had found the original engine to the car as well? Based on my experience the VIN plate should not be the same color/paint as the dash.

[Lynn]

Sam Pierce the Chevrolet dealer tracked this car down and restored it as he was doing with many Muscle Cars a while back. Told me he had found the original engine to the car as well? Based on my experience the VIN plate should not be the same color/paint as the dash.

Thanks for the info. I have very limited experience with dashes other than black.


Still curious about the WS showing M22 for $195.

[Stefano]

Even black ones do not use the same paint. The VIN tag is a semi gloss black with a smooth finish while the dash has a flat texture so that it won't reflect light and blind you while driving.

[COPO]

Still curious about the WS showing M22 for $195.

Other documents I've seen close to this time frame list M22 for $322.10

[William]

WS is a bad repro. Missing the order confirmation number, destination charge is incorrect, M22 MSRP was $322.10. A few incorrect ECLs.

The ribs on the door for the MVSS label were implemented over the July-Aug shutdown. Earliest examples are mid-August production.

Only early Norwood cars [through approximately N520xxx] had the VIN tag painted to match non-black interiors. The VIN tag was painted prior to installation using the same suede finish paint.

[Stefano]

Thank you for that info.

[Steve Shauger]

Based on my observation and what has been disclosed in the thread, proceed very cautiously. Someone went to great lengths to reproduce some documentation. That's a red flag !:thumbsdown:

[Lynn]

Fake paperwork is a huge red flag. Sadly, this would not be the first car that MAY be authentic but has been called into question because of fake paper. A real car with all the right numbers should stand on its own merits without faking paper work. How about the POP?

William: You said;
"The ribs on the door for the MVSS label were implemented over the July-Aug shutdown. Earliest examples are mid-August production."

My car is 08A and has the ribs. It has one of the "low" reset bdy numbers, so I believe it SHOULD have received the sticker, but it did not.

I have seen earlier ones, so assumed they implemented earlier, knowing it was coming.

Is there GM documentation on that? Hate to derail the thread. Perhaps there is a discussion over on CRG regarding the ribs?

[William]

John Z has stated the earliest MVSS labels self-adhered but quickly fell off. The fix was the mylar overlay. I looked at an untouched 09C COPO a few years ago and the label and overlay were still attached so the fix worked well.

The label and its location are depicted in the '69 AIM UPC 0 page B1 but no date.

The label was required for cars built for the 1970 model year; those seem to be cars with re-set body numbers and 08A tag dates. The last July 1969 VIN produced according to GM was N669119. However when production resumed August of '69, there must have been released orders at Fisher because there are later N669xxx VINs with 07A tags. Those cars may have gotten the revised door but no label.

[purple panther]

Hoosier hell.

[Lynn]

Just want to reiterate:

I don't have a hard time believing the car is a real COPO. It is a shame to create fake paperwork. Let the car stand on its own merits.

[Stefano]

Agree. The car is a real vintage COPO, former race car with no reason to rebody. Fake docs suck.

[purple panther]

yes the car is real. I think the current owners bought it @ auction

[Danzo]

Is the drivetrain original?

[Jonesy]

That trans stamping looks suspicious.

http://images.auction123.com/e0969d83-22c8-4660-8920-6ecc1ab6cc3d/124379N666906/48.jpg?wtrmk10nw

[Danzo]

Purple, do you have more info on this car?
Thanks, Doc.

[purple panther]

I know everything about it.

[Danzo]

Are you willing to share?

[purple panther]

You can PM me if you like.

[Danzo]

For your viewing pleasure

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[Danzo]

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[Jonesy]

Wow, those stampings arent looking like they were done by the factory........:blush:

[olredalert]

Wow, those stampings arent looking like they were done by the factory........:blush:

----Glad someone mentioned this. Also, look at the broach marks. They are all over the place to my eye...….Bill S

[BCreekDave]

Looks more like an engraving with a cutter than a stamping on the trans.

[frankk]

Lynn have you got a pic of the ribs on the door that you are talking about and the sticker

[Kurt S]

IMO, I don't think the car has it's original drivetrain.
The VIN tag was painted prior to installation using the same suede finish paint.
The VIN tag is noticeably smoother paint. It was painted by Chevrolet and I don't think they used the suede finish - this was the only part eligible, IIRC. This picture is a bit extreme in the contrast, but it was handy.....

[William]

Nope.

One of my buds junked a Z11 way back and kept the title and tags. The backside of the tag is semi-gloss black; the top side is completely coated in suede. Definitely coated off the car. Also, have a blue tag from a very early Norwood car. Glossy black backside, blue suede topside. Van Nuys appears to have painted all of them black.

Have dozens of VIN tag photos that depict the same thing.

[Kurt S]

Interesting. I took pics of VINs at MCACN Vintage and those tags clearly were two different textures.
The tag I posted above has the original rivets, btw.

[William]

Of course. Fisher painted the dash a day or two prior to the tag being processed by Chevrolet. Different process, paint mix, people. The tag was initially painted semi-gloss black; then the topside sprayed with suede dash paint.

You can't determine anything by looking at a tag installed in the dash.