Very Clean '70 Z/28

[scuncio]

What a car at the $19,500 starting bid (and no reserve). I'm trying to figure out why it's priced so low when it appears to be a clean original car with the born-with engine (although the seller doesn't explicitly say so, the description suggests it's the original).

There's a few small Day 2 mods like the SW oil pressure gauge in place of the clock, paint additions, and some chrome on the engine, but overall it looks like an absolute steal anywhere near the opening bid price.

Link to 1970 Z/28 auction (https://ebay.to/2qSATGN)

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[BillD]

Was this car discussed here not too long ago?

[Lynn]

It is going to go considerably higher than the opening bid.

Sometimes that is a great way to get a lot of interest going in an auction. Although, it can back fire.

I can't believe they didn't go back with an LT-1 camshaft. Opted for the L46 hydraulic cam instead. No irreversible, but still an odd choice in my book. Gotto love the sound of the old solid lifter cars.

[big gear head]

Too bad the intake got polished.

[mockingbird812]

LOVE M. Blue! Did I miss it or is there any mention of original drivetrain?

[Mr70]

You could comb your hair in that intake.

[scuncio]

You could comb your hair in that intake.

I think every one of us has blown a weekend polishing an aluminum intake at some point in our youth ;)

[scuncio]

Not that I could find, other than a reference that “the 350” was rebuilt in the late 1970s. The context makes it sound like the original engine...but if I were interested I’d be asking for pics of the deck.


LOVE M. Blue! Did I miss it or is there any mention of original drivetrain?

[Lynn]

Too bad the intake got polished.

Adds 10 hp.

[Mulsanne Blue]

Not that I could find, other than a reference that “the 350” was rebuilt in the late 1970s. The context makes it sound like the original engine...but if I were interested I’d be asking for pics of the deck.

Scan through the pics on this link. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-chevrolet-camaro-14/. Appears to be the original block. This one has a lot going for it. Solid body, lots of original component, trunk, and undercarriage finishes. Many hard-to-find key parts are there. Albeit some weird mods, but all reversible. This would be a solid candidate to restore back to factory with a semi-survivor look.

[scuncio]

Yes! I remember the car now. Looks really nice, and sold just down the street from me in Mt Clemens.

[L72Biscayne]

Anyone here know or ever seen this car?

[Mulsanne Blue]

Anyone here know or ever seen this car?

I have not. Try over at http://nastyz28.com/forums/original-drivetrain-topic.31/. Besides several obvious quirks, the pics reveal more positives than negatives. Note the factory pinch welds on the quarter wheel openings. Would like to see under the mud flaps. In that area there was a unique pattern to the welds. I would think that most who know these cars inside-and-out would agree that areas of focus that are normally wrong are right on this one.

[L72Biscayne]

I messaged the seller on eBay. I asked when did you buy it and he replied two years ago. That couldn’t be if the original owner just sold this year. I also asked a buy it now he said $29,000. Something doesn’t seem right. He sent me photos of the car which were the same photos that were posted on BAT .

[CamaroNOS]

ALERT

There is something terribly wrong with this ad that is currently on Ebay.

Here are some disturbing facts and pics from this seller as I have been in contact with him.

1. All the pics used to present this car are the exact ones used from the Bringatrailer ad which was posted several months ago. .
2. How many 1970 Mulsanne Blue Camaro Z/28’s have stripes painted on the roof as well as having the rear taillight panel blacked out?
3. I then requested the current eBay seller (called preacherhank2) forward me supporting documents to prove to me that this Camaro is an actual Z/28. The documents that were forwarded were very similar to the ones used from the ad on the Bringatrailer ad.
4. I then decided just for fun to compare the documents between both cars and this is where it gets really scary.
5. It just so happens that both cars VIN numbers are just one digit off. Are you interested yet……?
6. This 1970 Camaro Z/28 VIN currently on eBay is 124870N513855.
7. The 1970 Camaro Z/28 VIN on Bringatrailer is 124870N513856.
8. The pic of the trim tag that was supplied to me from the current seller on eBay is VERY similar to the one that was supplied on the Bringatrailer ad. What was now so unique was that the body sequence number for the eBay Camaro is the same body sequence number that was posted on the Bringatrailer ad. In other words, did GM use the same sequence number twice while building two identical Camaros in 1970? Are you interested yet……?
9. As a result of using all this duplicate info. the original selling GM dealer (Ernie Grissom Chevrolet in Michigan) in 1970 must have just happened to get two identical 1970 Camaro Z/28, just one VIN apart. Possible…..yes, but just keep reading
10. To confirm my suspicions, take note of all the supporting documents, especially the two pics of the in-dash VIN number. Notice the chunk of dirt in the blue paint just to the right of both VIN numbers in the dashs. Is it not odd that this dirt would be duplicated to a “T” on both cars?
11. In both ads, each Camaro has had new front end sheet metal, both have a .030 bore block, both now have a hydraulic cam, both have had reverse lights installed below the rear bumper and since removed, both have had a Stewart and Warner oil pressure gauge installed in the dash..…..are you getting the drift here……?


I will post some pics very soon from the old Bringatrailer ad and the second set is from the current eBay seller.

What are the chances of two possible sellers both selling the exact same car (only 1 VIN apart?????), using in the exact same location to shoot pics of their cars considering one lived in California and the other one appears to live in Gig Harbour in Washington? It still baffles me (lol) how both sellers managed to take pics from the same picture angle for all shots of the cars? Ya right……

Here is the $1,000,000 dollar question. If someone was to win the bid and enter into a deal through eBay to buy this car and make payment through eBay, what happens if the trucking company shows up to pick up the car and the pickup point turns out to be farm land, where does it go from there? How does a buyer get his funds back through eBay? I know it sounds straight forward with eBay but will it be? I somehow see the funds being tied up for a LONG time.

This car scares the hell out of me and it should with you as well…..unless I missed something…..lol.

[CamaroNOS]

The first pics are from the BaT ad and the second creative pics are from the eBay ad.

Paul

[L_e_e]

Great detective work!!!!

[Lynn]

Guessing the vin plate pic was photoshopped? As well as the docs? And the mylar sticker? REALLY GOOD phot shop.

Wow.

[Mulsanne Blue]

Wow, Great light shedding Paul! By comparing the vin pics, you can tell that the same "5" was copied and pasted over the "6". I've been using the BAT pics as reference for my restoration. Admired the car for its originality. It's a shame that someone would do this.

You can file a fraudulent report. I've never done this before, but since you did the groundwork, they may request your evidence to substantiate the claim.

[L16pilot]

...and if you can't trust a seller with the name "Preacherhank2", who can ya trust? Wow, Super-sleuthing at it's best!...awesome job!

[L72Biscayne]

Paul, You have a great eagle eye. I knew that it’s the same car but didn’t think someone would go to that length to scam people but in the world today it doesn’t surprise me. Thanks, Dave.

[ALLZS]

ITS A SCAM, most likely the same guy that had the triple black 65 impala 409 car on e bay last week also same area same pictures listed from a few years ago at a car dealer

[BCreekDave]

Great work. I just assumed the BAT buyer was trying for a quick flip but with a no reserve it seemed a bit fishy.
Are you going to preset to the seller the evidence or go straight to ebay? It would be interesting to see how he would explain it away but most likely there would be no reply and the auction would be terminated. It would be best to go to eBay and they could at least take steps to ban his account.

[CamaroNOS]

Thanks guys, just doing what we do best here, looking out for each other. Here are some answers to the questions below.

1. As far as the BaT flip, I am not even sure if the car was sold on BaT. But I suspect that the current seller on eBay is the creative weasel here.

2. Not too sure about the eagle eyes, but maybe if you stacked up my contacts I might be 1/2 an eagles eye.....lol.

3. Someone on this site has already reached out to eBay to inform them.


Lets hope they catch the wizard.

[scuncio]

Well I'll be...that's one heck of a well executed scam. Too bad for him/her that the car had enough unique attributes to make it obvious that it is/was a 1 of 1....

[resto4u]

I wish the FBI internet crime division would bid and buy the car. Then go to his house and show him his new bracelets.