Any cases of NCRS documentation exposing bogus paperwork?

[Rainer]

With the ability of the NCRS to provide information on the original selling dealer on many 65-72 Chevrolet cars, I'm wondering if there have been any cases where bogus paperwork (i.e. build sheets, window stickers) have been brought to light as a result of ordering this paperwork?

The scenario I'm envisioning is someone owning a car with original "paperwork" deciding to also order the NCRS shipping report, and then finding out that the selling dealer on the two documents do not match. With the prevalence of fake paperwork out there, this is bound to happen sooner or later.

[TimG]

Unfortunately, I see it regularly. It’s a good idea to get an Origin Report to confirm dealer/zone information. It’s not a foolproof method, but another clue to help weed out fake paperwork.

[Igosplut]

To my understanding, the NCRS report states the dealer the car was delivered to. So, if the car was dealer ordered (vers customer ordered), or a customer ordered car that was never purchased by said customer could be transfered to another dealer, correct? That could explain some cases..

[COPO]

To my understanding, the NCRS report states the dealer the car was delivered to. So, if the car was dealer ordered (vers customer ordered), or a customer ordered car that was never purchased by said customer could be transfered to another dealer, correct? That could explain some cases..

That's correct, and dealer transfers are common even today.

[TimG]

The dealer and zone on GM paperwork will always match the NCRS origin report information regardless of a transfer to another dealer. The only time a transfer will cause a discrepancy is on the Warranty Plate information. The selling dealer stamps that with their name and sometimes it includes their dealer and zone number. The ordering dealer and selling dealer should be geographically close as I doubt a dealer would find it cost effective to move a car hundreds of miles.
Bottom line is the GM paperwork (window sticker, build sheet, shipper copy) will always have the same dealer and zone number as the NCRS origin report. If not, there’s an issue.

[MosportGreen66]

The dealer and zone on GM paperwork will always match the NCRS origin report information regardless of a transfer to another dealer. The only time a transfer will cause a discrepancy is on the Warranty Plate information. The selling dealer stamps that with their name and sometimes it includes their dealer and zone number. The ordering dealer and selling dealer should be geographically close as I doubt a dealer would find it cost effective to move a car hundreds of miles.
Bottom line is the GM paperwork (window sticker, build sheet, shipper copy) will always have the same dealer and zone number as the NCRS origin report. If not, there’s an issue.

This was the case with our former 66 L72 Vette... NCRS said ordering dealer and pop said selling dealer

Dan

[GrumpyJeff]

This was the case with our former 66 L72 Vette... NCRS said ordering dealer and pop said selling dealer

Dan
Same on my 70 Z28. Build sheet & NCRS, Shipper match the ordering dealer, But all other documentation POP, window sticker( which I believe is revised from the ordering dealer) etc are from selling dealer. After speaking with the original owner of my car a few years ago, he said he wanted to order a new 1971 model Z in September of 70. But some how the selling dealer Groth Chevrolet in Huntington Beach worked a dealer transfer with MK Smith Chevrolet in Chino on a similary equipped 70 left over. According to the OO they only thing the 70 lacked that he wanted was a console, So the 4spd console was dealer installed at Groth the morning of delivery October 2,1970

[69LM1]

there can also be issues with dealer changes of ownership. for instance my 70 penske z28 showed as another dealer with the same zone info because penske sold the dealership in 74. thanks to members here whom dug up the sale articles in papers from the time, ncrs got the proof they needed to correct the report.

moral being not every discrepancy is a issue.