1969 427 COPO Barn find

[JoeC]

black 1969 427 COPO Chevelle Barn find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzxdGY9kuu8&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR13pPF_GCaNnuQD67-kRJimGe36DYFtTbMjChy6ZR2ajO9sb6CKvSO7Oc4

[travlnz28]

I hope one of the members of this great site ended up with it. Great car!!

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

10 10 Bench 4 Speed!!

I hope it’s an M22!!

Ryan W31

[PeteLeathersac]

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W:drool:W and like a dream come true.
Was there a Black 9561 delivered by the same dealer?:hmmm:
:beers:
~ Pete

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[L78M22Rag]

Sweeeeet

[ZoomXF]

Awesome car!!!

[Postsedan]

Well done Patrick :)

They are still out there!!

Dan

[NorCam]

Awesome find and looks like a real solid car sitting there. Looking forward to seeing it out in the sun as well as when it's cleaned up.

That clip came out today and already has over 13K views. lol...that's wild

[Astock]

Wow! Nice, unmolested Copo. Miles look legit too.

[markinnaples]

Can't wait to see that cleaned up. Wonder what that changed hands for...

[fsc66]

Mcacn 2020!!!!!!!!!!!

[Postsedan]

Mcacn 2020!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, in "The Barn Finds" :)

Dan

[Tracker1]

Such a special car, great find! And well done to all involved for bringing it into the light of day again.

[WILDCAT_65]

Way cool! Great car, great vid! Thanks for sharing!
Makes me wanna go out for hunting today! ;)

[Stefano]

Kool find. Congrats!

[scuncio]

Congrats! Looks like a great car. Where did this happen?

[markinnaples]

West Virginia

[RALLY]

black 1969 427 COPO Chevelle Barn find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzxdGY9kuu8&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR13pPF_GCaNnuQD67-kRJimGe36DYFtTbMjChy6ZR2ajO9sb6CKvSO7Oc4

Keep the car all original. Full detail top to bottom and engine cleanup. Buff original paint. Great find.

[1967 4K]

Been talking to a friend in Campton,Ky. and he said R. Hurst said there has always been talk of a black COPO chevelle that was sold at Brewers Chevrolet in Campton. Might be this car.
1967 4K

[mockingbird812]

Wow and WOW!!! What a beauty!!!!

[m22mike]

Ray would know :biggthumpup:

[Rgreat69]

Sold new at Landers Chevrolet Hurricane Wva

[NorCam]

I thinking Grady would love to have this in his fleet.

:burnout:

[Copo_Cartel]

Gentleman turned down $175 and the asking price is $225 .

[Mallard]

Amazing how 50ish years later these cars come out of the woodwork.

[Bill Pritchard]

Gentleman turned down $175 and the asking price is $225 .

So now it's for sale for $225? :confused2:

[Copo_Cartel]

So now it's for sale for $225? :confused2:
yes sir. And I am told the car needs restored.

[Woj]

You'd really have to see the car and evaluate with your own eyes to place a value on it. If it really needs restored, that number is pretty steep. However, it is a black 4-speed and that is as good as it gets. Phil

[Sean]

Why not just ask 325k and get it over with.

[MosportGreen66]

Is it a survivor or just unrestored?

Regardless it is a wonderful find.

Dan

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Nice find but this is the same guy who called everyone here "jealous idiots who don't know anything" when he purchased the "unconverted" Yenko Nova.

[Tracker1]

Nice find but this is the same guy who called everyone here "jealous idiots who don't know anything" when he purchased the "unconverted" Yenko Nova.

Does Mr. Nichols now own the car or is he advising the long-time owner?

[Bill Pritchard]

Does Mr. Nichols now own the car or is he advising the long-time owner?

If you were to take Mr. Nichols at his word in the video (and he stated it numerous times), the car was recently purchased by someone and it was NOT available for sale.....so much for that :rolleyes2:

[Copo_Cartel]

The guy that bought the car knows the family well and lives close by. I was told there is rust in quarters.....

[scuncio]

I love the car but the asking price would have been ambitious even in 2006. IMO.

[Rgreat69]

Copo cartel someone told you wrong! Since your so concerned come see it yourself and you then can post the truth!

[Bill Pritchard]

Rgreat69,

First of all, welcome to the site! If you are the lucky buyer of the car being discussed here, let me be among the first to congratulate you on an awesome car. And if the 'rust in the quarters' is untrue, all the better. All of us here would love to see more pictures of it and follow along as it gets cleaned up and ready for whatever happens henceforth. I think you will find everyone here helpful and sympathetic to the car's best interests.

[Copo_Cartel]

I am not concerned. Cool your jets ....I was given this info from someone that was there and inspected the car. You must be the new owner 5 houses away that knew the family well....and you are a machinist....now how did I know all that. And it’s funny that the car is forsale so quickly.

[luzl78]

Rgreat69,

First of all, welcome to the site! If you are the lucky buyer of the car being discussed here, let me be among the first to congratulate you on an awesome car. And if the 'rust in the quarters' is untrue, all the better. All of us here would love to see more pictures of it and follow along as it gets cleaned up and ready for whatever happens henceforth. I think you will find everyone here helpful and sympathetic to the car's best interests.well said!

[Chevyfever]

I knew this copo well it was owned by my friend he passed in 2003,he was very meticulous with his cars.The car was left to his brother,should be all original,and should be low mileage.
Always wondered how long it would take to be discovered.

[firstgenaddict]

Did COPO chevelles get a side stripe?

[m22mike]

Optional, I think, had to be ordered.

[scuncio]

Correct, optional.

[Mr70]

It was RPO D-96 for extra $26.35,although I've seen some dealers round this # both up & down.

[Bill Pritchard]

Just like the regular Chevelle SS396 cars, many were ordered without the stripe and then it was an easy job to install at the dealership if the original owner wanted it. Plus the dealer could charge whatever they felt they could get away with once it becomes a dealer-installed option.

[429scj]

Barn find? you mean "the word got out" find.

[chevyman0429]

I gotta ask/wonder how much it was bought for? Anyone wanna take a guess at what it sold for.

[Copo_Cartel]

The amount was 40k

[Copo_Cartel]

The neighbor 5 houses away that works at the Marathon plant purchased it.

[chevyman0429]

The amount was 40k

Nice

[Charley Lillard]

A shame the long time owner apparently did not get paid anywhere near its worth.

[Copo_Cartel]

A shame the long time owner apparently did not get paid anywhere near its worth.

I agree Charley ...I feel bad for the family ...I am sure they could of used the funds.

[Unreal]

Well said Charley. Most of the time we endeavor to protect the ususpecting buyer, but seldom endeavor to protect the unsuspecting seller. We often applaud the buyer who got a steal, when that's exactly what they did.
About 20 years ago, my aging aunt was offered $1500 for a '46 or '47 Packard woodie, which had been in dry storage in the basement of my grandmother's grocery store since 1952. My aunt, who knew nothing about cars, especially Packard woodies, took the deal. You could argue that she was happy with the deal, so what's the harm? The flip side is that the car was probably worth at least $25,000 as it sat. If the guy had offered $15,000, I'd say he was just trying to get a good deal, but at $1500, he was outright stealing.

[cook_dw]

On the flip side. Did the guy offer $40K or was that the sellers asking price? Big difference. Sometimes money isn't the point of the sale. Just trying to give another side of the coin. At the end of the day if both parties were happy with the sale and purchase was it really stealing? Not like he held a gun to the guys head. Or did he..?.. :dunno:

[x33rs]

Keep an eye for it. It'll probably be for sale in 6 months for twice the price.

[Copo_Cartel]

It is already for sale...guy wants 225k ...said he turned down 175k

[markinnaples]

I'm all for getting a good deal, but buying from a friend/neighbor for $40K and then flipping it few weeks or months later is pretty slimy, unless he decides to cut them in on the nice chunk of cash he gets for it. If not, that's some friend. JMHO.

[Supergas990]

So much for the part of the OP that said the car wasn't for sale. Definitely a cool Chevelle, but $225k???

Wow! I guess I'll stay in Corvette world for now.

Blair

[Chevyfever]

I agree Charley ...I feel bad for the family ...I am sure they could of used the funds.

There was only one brother left in that family, surprised if it sold that cheap.
The two brothers built and restored mostly hot rods he would have surely would have known
of the value.With that being said he is older and was probably taken advantage of.

[Charley Lillard]

If the buyer is a dealer the seller has legal recourse for being taken advantage of.

[70 copo]

Well said Charley. Most of the time we endeavor to protect the ususpecting buyer, but seldom endeavor to protect the unsuspecting seller. We often applaud the buyer who got a steal, when that's exactly what they did.
About 20 years ago, my aging aunt was offered $1500 for a '46 or '47 Packard woodie, which had been in dry storage in the basement of my grandmother's grocery store since 1952. My aunt, who knew nothing about cars, especially Packard woodies, took the deal. You could argue that she was happy with the deal, so what's the harm? The flip side is that the car was probably worth at least $25,000 as it sat. If the guy had offered $15,000, I'd say he was just trying to get a good deal, but at $1500, he was outright stealing.

This board has matured since the change from the original format and that is obvious right here in the discussion of this topic. A decade ago now I publicly called out a member of the old version of this forum who also happened to be a dealer who was openly posting about the car post sale and openly bragging about getting a Yenko Chevelle from an unsuspecting less than knowledgeable seller.

Knowing right from wrong and doing the right thing is what separates this forum from the rest of them.:flag:

[Copo_Cartel]

If the buyer is a dealer the seller has legal recourse for being taken advantage of.

The current owner is a friendly neighbor that works at the Marathon Plant in the area.

[Unreal]

On the flip side. Did the guy offer $40K or was that the sellers asking price? Big difference. Sometimes money isn't the point of the sale. Just trying to give another side of the coin. At the end of the day if both parties were happy with the sale and purchase was it really stealing? Not like he held a gun to the guys head. Or did he..?.. :dunno:

Maybe, maybe not. If the seller knew it was worth X, and knowingly put a price of X/3, then I agree with you. But if Uncle Jim told them it was worth X/3, and the family took his word for it, then they might be happy, but happy based on bad information. Not the same as happy based on good information.

People often say a good deal is one where both parties are 100% happy. I contend that a good deal is one where neither party is 100% happy. The seller sold for a little less than they wanted, and the buyer paid a little more than they wanted.

[Copo_Cartel]

Ok.... Look at it this way do you really think this guy walked up and said hey I am going to buy your car for 40,000 and I want to sell it for 225,000 and I want to make all of the profit.... no he didn’t do that but decided to think if it stayed quiet it would sell with a big upside for himself. He knew exactly what he was doing. Why else does he buy the car in a depressed area knowing he’s not going to keep the car but probably did his research and realized I’m going to cash in at somebody else’s expense. It’s plain and simple someone was taken advantage of here. Now let’s just say he was a very honest guy if that is the case then he would need to go back to the family and say hey I will split the profits with you. This guy knew exactly what he was doing from the very beginning

[cook_dw]

I’m not taking anyone’s side here. I’m merely saying there is always 2 sides to a story. I don’t know both sides and honestly do not care as it doesn’t affect me at the end of the day. Just giving another possible scenario or perspective. Guy might be a dirtbag but who am I to say he’s this or that.?.:biggthumpup:

[chevmal]

Wow, What speculation You guy's could write a book. lol

[chads454Ls6]

Seems fishy to me. The guy buys the car for 40k, then does a video on it at the owners house and talks about How rare it is, and then he wants $225k and lives down the street? Who would want that kind of attention, and have the owners family driving by your house everyday looking like they want to “kill you”.

[JKZ27]

Lot of scenarios possible here. I keep coming back to "turned down $175". Sounds greedy.

Cool car and I hope it ends up in the right hands with enough cash left on the table for a proper resto if it needs it.

[EZ Nova]

Lot of scenarios possible here. I keep coming back to "turned down $175". Sounds greedy.

Sorry but the new "buyer" sounds like a ass! Friend or not, knowingly ripping the people off that bad is pure SCUM in my book.

UNLESS, after the deal the buyer said that he legally stole this car and wanted to make things right and split the profit 50/50.

I see this transaction being an informed buyer praying on a less informed sell. Just like the scammers that talk older people out of there 401k or the whole reverse mortgage thing.

If it were me, and some of you better of high end car owners can disagree, but I would have taken the quick $175. Then went back to the seller with 2 cheques. First for another $30k. If the seller was genuinely happy and respectful with that cheque, then say here's the rest you should have got. And give him the second cheque for another $30k. Tell him you sold the car for $175 and you kept $75k for yourself, and they got $100k for the car.

But that's just me. Karma's a bitch and it will come back and bit you in the ass sooner or later. And I have done this on 7 different occasions now. The 2nd cheque really surprises them.

[SS427]

Most people here talk like they would take care of the seller and give them a retail price but many have not been in this situation and I honestly think you might act differently if you were the buyer while some of those same people have done just what they are arguing against. Go figure. Buying for $40k and selling for $225k is obviously a stretch but would you tell the seller they were too low if the difference was only $20k? I doubt it. Who here has not bought a home or other properties that were way below market value and in hopes of making a nice profit when selling yet no one has any issues with that????

Though I am comparing cents to dollars is this any different than going to a swap meet where someone is selling a BE rear for $2500 and you stumble across it? Would you HONESTLY tell the guy he is an idiot and his differential is worth many times that and give him the money or would you quietly and quickly dig in your pocket and start grabbing the $2500 cash to make the purchase? I can tell you honestly that I have gone to swap meets and found LS6 1111437 distributors or similar items for under $100 and quietly paid the seller and moved on. Can you people with all honesty tell me you have not done the same? I am in NO WAY condoning the situation with this COPO but am trying to make the Monday morning quarterbacks look at it from both angles.

Again, I am in no way condoning this particular situation nor am I taking sides, just trying to be realistic.

[x33rs]

It is already for sale...guy wants 225k ...said he turned down 175k

Wow, I guessed a little light on that one LOL

[Sean]

I will not go into specifics but I was asked about the car and had a lengthy conversation with a potential buyer. No paper, many unknowns to throw down 6 figures. I asked several questions and they could not be verified. Enough for me that I would walk.

[olredalert]

----Is it just possible that the new owner doesn't really want to sell it so puts a stupid price on it? It would tend to keep the phone calls and E-mails to a minimum......Bill S

[Tracker1]

If I buy stocks on the NYSE for a dollar a share and it blows up to 80 bucks a share, because I did my research, am I supposed to now seek out all the investors that sold their stock for a buck and re-pay them some "stupidity tax" ? As a Canadian (an arguably super-socialist country), I get a kick out of Americans/Canadians who spout this kind of drivel but out of the other side of their mouths will vehemently defend capitalism over socialism or communism when some of the thinking in this thread is total Marxist ideals. The owner could have gone down to the local library and googled COPO Chevelle and gotten his answer on a selling price in 60 seconds. This BS is amazing to me.

I'm gonna win the lottery tonight and give Marathon guy his 225K and then pay Rick Nelson another six figures to restore it for me. Then I'm gonna have an awesome car that has 100K more in it than it is worth. CUZ I LOVE THIS CAR! Then i'm gonna buy a black stripe delete '70 LS6 Chevelle to stick right next to it in my garage and piss myself every morning when I go out in my man cave! What an evil capitalist I am. :)

[70 copo]

----Is it just possible that the new owner doesn't really want to sell it so puts a stupid price on it? It would tend to keep the phone calls and E-mails to a minimum......Bill S

Exact tactic I took last month with the IROC-Z at Cincinnati because I had guys continually bugging me for a price to sell the car. So I told them "ZL-1 money" and that finally had a calming effect and I could enjoy the show.

[cook_dw]

If I buy stocks on the NYSE for a dollar a share and it blows up to 80 bucks a share, because I did my research, am I supposed to now seek out all the investors that sold their stock for a buck and re-pay them some "stupidity tax" ? As a Canadian (an arguably super-socialist country), I get a kick out of Americans/Canadians who spout this kind of drivel but out of the other side of their mouths will vehemently defend capitalism over socialism or communism when some of the thinking in this thread is total Marxist ideals. The owner could have gone down to the local library and googled COPO Chevelle and gotten his answer on a selling price in 60 seconds. This BS is amazing to me.

I'm gonna win the lottery tonight and give Marathon guy his 225K and then pay Rick Nelson another six figures to restore it for me. Then I'm gonna have an awesome car that is worth 100K more than it is worth. CUZ I LOVE THIS CAR! Then i'm gonna buy a black stripe delete '70 LS6 Chevelle to stick right next to it in my garage and piss myself every morning when I go out in my man cave! What an evil capitalist I am. :)



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[Copo_Cartel]

----Is it just possible that the new owner doesn't really want to sell it so puts a stupid price on it? It would tend to keep the phone calls and E-mails to a minimum......Bill S

I see what you mean but this gentleman has wasted peoples time...By allowing them to come and look at the car if he was planning on keeping it

[Chevyfever]

It is already for sale...guy wants 225k ...said he turned down 175k

Any idea how Nichols got involved since he was not the one that discovered the car.
Seems to me he was the one that may have alerted buyer to what the car was.
The price paid was in the range for a standard SS with this mileage maybe seller and buyer
may not have known the true value.

As a side note I set in this car with the original owner about 1971.
I had a 69 L78 not knowing anything about a copo wondering why
he would buy a car like this with Malibu markings and no SS emblems!

[the427king]

"This BS is amazing to me"..............that about sums it up.

[MosportGreen66]

Most people here talk like they would take care of the seller and give them a retail price but many have not been in this situation and I honestly think you might act differently if you were the buyer while some of those same people have done just what they are arguing against. Go figure. Buying for $40k and selling for $225k is obviously a stretch but would you tell the seller they were too low if the difference was only $20k? I doubt it. Who here has not bought a home or other properties that were way below market value and in hopes of making a nice profit when selling yet no one has any issues with that????

Though I am comparing cents to dollars is this any different than going to a swap meet where someone is selling a BE rear for $2500 and you stumble across it? Would you HONESTLY tell the guy he is an idiot and his differential is worth many times that and give him the money or would you quietly and quickly dig in your pocket and start grabbing the $2500 cash to make the purchase? I can tell you honestly that I have gone to swap meets and found LS6 1111437 distributors or similar items for under $100 and quietly paid the seller and moved on. Can you people with all honesty tell me you have not done the same? I am in NO WAY condoning the situation with this COPO but am trying to make the Monday morning quarterbacks look at it from both angles.

Again, I am in no way condoning this particular situation nor am I taking sides, just trying to be realistic.

Like the real stamp 814 alternator that sold on FB Marketplace last night for $200? I don't need it but sure as heck offered to buy it just to keep it on the shelf for the 'who knows maybe one day' narrative... I have a pic of the listing too which I can edit in this evening.

Dan

[70 copo]

This would not even be a topic without the impact of social media.

It is not the sale that gets people's emotions up, it is the grandstanding that does it after the sale, because in the end there will be someone (or several someones) who will likely feel that the grapes were "sour", and as soon as that conversation starts relationships fracture.

Sadly it happens over and over.

[Zedder]

This type of chatter is one of the reasons that I am glad that I don’t play with the higher end stuff anymore...anyone got a nice old lady 67 SS350 auto for sale ��

[70 copo]

This type of chatter is one of the reasons that I am glad that I don’t play with the higher end stuff anymore...anyone got a nice old lady 67 SS350 auto for sale ��

Yes it used to be considered rude to discuss what you paid for something because prior to social media in order to cross that social boundary you had to do it face to face.

The keyboard gives and takes. Often it takes - and that is sad.

[Mr70]

Chevmal are you Patrick Glenn Nichols who was once Cranberry70SSL34 on this site and hasn't been on here for nearly 2 years?

[luzl78]

This type of chatter is one of the reasons that I am glad that I don’t play with the higher end stuff anymore...anyone got a nice old lady 67 SS350 auto for sale ��i think charley still does

[cook_dw]

Like the real stamp 814 alternator that sold on FB Marketplace last night for $200? I don't need it but sure as heck offered to buy it just to keep it on the shelf for the 'who knows maybe one day' narrative... I have a pic of the listing too which I can edit in this evening.

Dan


Right there with you. If I’d only seen it sooner.. lol

[chevmal]

Chevmal are you Patrick Glenn Nichols who was once Cranberry70SSL34 on this site and hasn't been on here for nearly 2 years?
I am not Patrick Glenn Nichols, I know the buyer and the situation.

[1967 4K]

Come on guys let’s talk about our cars and enjoy our hobby. Stop this he said, she said, they said stuff.
Smoke the tires n bang the gears! Drive em.
1967 4K

[the427king]

Sounds a little creepy that a user would follow another around to the point hes making wild accusations that are false. No surprise considering who it is, just a little creepy.

[hurstL78]

I think one of the facts that have been overlooked in this thread is that a rare low mile super car has been discovered and brought to the surface. Just watch the video. The car is original. Now let’s add the fact that it’s a COPO with complete owner history from day one. That isn’t something that is seen very often these days. And it deserves being talked about.

[dvss1]

Cool car. Does anyone have a pic of the trim tag?

[m22mike]

It's in the video

[EZ Nova]

I think one of the facts that have been overlooked in this thread is that a rare low mile super car has been discovered and brought to the surface. Just watch the video. The car is original. Now let’s add the fact that it’s a COPO with complete owner history from day one. That isn’t something that is seen very often these days. And it deserves being talked about.

I'm confused????

You say "The car is original. Now let’s add the fact that it’s a COPO with complete owner history from day one. That isn’t something that is seen very often these days."!

Yet on page 8 Sean says "I will not go into specifics but I was asked about the car and had a lengthy conversation with a potential buyer. No paper, many unknowns to throw down 6 figures. I asked several questions and they could not be verified. Enough for me that I would walk."

Also look at his cars Sean has 3 are COPO's.

[chevmal]

I'm confused????

You say "The car is original. Now let’s add the fact that it’s a COPO with complete owner history from day one. That isn’t something that is seen very often these days."!

Yet on page 8 Sean says "I will not go into specifics but I was asked about the car and had a lengthy conversation with a potential buyer. No paper, many unknowns to throw down 6 figures. I asked several questions and they could not be verified. Enough for me that I would walk."

Also look at his cars Sean has 3 are COPO's.
Yes, Sean needs to explain himself. I know who the "Potential Buyer" is because A father and son are the only people who have looked at this car and they heard about it thru their work place. It wasn't advertised for sale. The one who was interested in this car never checked any Numbers, Dates, or Codes of the car. So, Since it's said by Copo Cartel that the owner works at Marathon, Then I'll say the "Potential Buyer" has a connection with Marathon too. Sean needs to explain whats wrong with this car. As someone who has seen it a lot you don't find much better. Sean, did you ever think that the reason He couldn't verify anything is because He don't know nothing because he didn't check it out?

[Charley Lillard]

Did the appraiser value it at anywhere near the supposed 40 sales price ? If so I think I would go after the appraiser.

[Bill Pritchard]

I think one of the facts that have been overlooked in this thread is that a rare low mile super car has been discovered and brought to the surface. Just watch the video. The car is original. Now let’s add the fact that it’s a COPO with complete owner history from day one. That isn’t something that is seen very often these days. And it deserves being talked about.

If the current owner keeps the car, I'd wager you won't see or hear much more from him about the car on this site, and that's unfortunate :frown:

[the427king]

Would you really blame him for not sharing it with the site? Hes been called every name in the book, the car has been said to have rusty quarters and needing restoration when one of the only people that claims to know the car well says it isnt so.....sounds to me like a few people here that gloat and welcome all the praise when they find a similar car are just upset they didnt get this one,and feel the need to discredit this great find to ease thier pain of not finding it themselves ,and that is the real shame ....I would have loved to find it myself,but I'm still excited for the new owner unless he bought the car from the seller under duress or force or if an appraiser was in cahoots with the buyer .....

[cook_dw]

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[Richls5]

someone shared pics of the car on facebook of it being detailed and whoever was polishing it it sure looked damn good to me

[GotGrunt]

Like the real stamp 814 alternator that sold on FB Marketplace last night for $200? I don't need it but sure as heck offered to buy it just to keep it on the shelf for the 'who knows maybe one day' narrative... I have a pic of the listing too which I can edit in this evening.

Dan

Right there with you. If I’d only seen it sooner.. lol

Ditto :D

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

someone shared pics of the car on facebook of it being detailed and whoever was polishing it it sure looked damn good to me

Which FB group?

Ryan W31

[Copo_Cartel]

I was told by the father /son folks that went to look at it that the car was for sale at 225k and that the gentleman turned down 175k. The appraiser should be the one that is scrutinized IMHO. Karma does come back around. I have never bought a Chevelle ..so I was never an interested party to this car. Pointing out flipping a car for 6x it’s purchase price is worth noting ...especially with potential buyers from this site. Knowledge is a powerful thing and playing ignorant when selling parts or cars that are not as described is wrong. After the smoke clears I am sure this quality caliber car will find a good home and be well taken care of in honor of the original owner.

[EZ Nova]

78 why did you remove the link where the guy bought the painting cheap and split the profit??

[70 copo]

78 why did you remove the link where the guy bought the painting cheap and split the profit??


This link??

https://www.apost.com/en/blog/homeless-man-sells-rare-collectible-for-20-dealer-tracks-him-down-to-share-profit/27382/?un_id=1581836654626&utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb_1503815046562182_apost_en&utm_term=USA_en&utm_campaign=blog_27382&utm_content=786&fbclid=IwAR25DXD2av2u59nujLK47sXkcVGjoqr0RG_wGdOPj 1Gl7WSJQsE359dU1-0

[EZ Nova]

So what am I missing here???

Unrestored COPO Chevelle, guy buys for for $40K, turns down $175K because he wants $225K?

Know I will admit I'm not up with these unrestored cars and YES I know there only original once. But from what I saw, I didn't think it was worth the $175K?? Legendary has one:

https://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/1969-chevrolet-chevelle-copo-1693.aspx

Fully restored and I figured there on the high side for COPO Chevelle being that there Legendary Motorcar, and there asking $169,9K?? I was thinking this car would be "MAYBE" in the $125K range if the paperwork was there that Sean stated could be questionable?

So what is it that makes this car SO much more?

[70 copo]

Could be that apost is known as a clickbait site

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/apost-com/

[mrays]

So is this car unrestored or an older restoration in need of some TLC? I believe there are only 3 known Tuxedo Black COPO Chevelles in the registry. The black Wagner car sold for $310K at Mecum Indy in 2009. If the car has been detailed since the video was taken it would be nice to see some photos of it. It's a great find and the new owner shouldn't be run of just because he got a good deal on the car.

[LARRY540]

"This BS is amazing to me"..............that about sums it up.

yep that's the truth!!!amen to that

[Sean]

Yes, Sean needs to explain himself. I know who the "Potential Buyer" is because A father and son are the only people who have looked at this car and they heard about it thru their work place. It wasn't advertised for sale. The one who was interested in this car never checked any Numbers, Dates, or Codes of the car. So, Since it's said by Copo Cartel that the owner works at Marathon, Then I'll say the "Potential Buyer" has a connection with Marathon too. Sean needs to explain whats wrong with this car. As someone who has seen it a lot you don't find much better. Sean, did you ever think that the reason He couldn't verify anything is because He don't know nothing because he didn't check it out?


Explain what? I never said anything was wrong with it. You must be involved as your posts are only about this car. Your defense questions bring a lot of light to the car. I was contacted by 2 people. When I am asked not to reveal who or what I DON'T period that is respect. It is not a holy grail car to me nor have I or had any interest of buying it or was offered. Do I think it is worth 225k NO 175K NO. I own several super cars and I use guidelines on my own purchases which is a basic list of questions and verification. I have seen so many cars blown up to be the best of the best the "Holy" grail car etc and people get pumped up I get it. And there are at least 7-8 black copo chevelles as well. My thoughts are different on these cars as they hold a special place in history to me. Not about how much I can get and be a "Flipper". So to tell me that I need to explain myself this is my explanation. Explain why you are so interested and what your own conclusion is?

[EZ Nova]

I believe I'm on another site with Sean. And I will say this, he has been helpful and forthright with info when I need it or had questions. So for me, having some other interactions with him, woukd listen to his words.

John

[Richls5]

Which FB group?

Ryan W31

one of the Chevelle ones I think Chevelle owners but now of course I cant find it

[chevmal]

Explain what? I never said anything was wrong with it. You must be involved as your posts are only about this car. Your defense questions bring a lot of light to the car. I was contacted by 2 people. When I am asked not to reveal who or what I DON'T period that is respect. It is not a holy grail car to me nor have I or had any interest of buying it or was offered. Do I think it is worth 225k NO 175K NO. I own several super cars and I use guidelines on my own purchases which is a basic list of questions and verification. I have seen so many cars blown up to be the best of the best the "Holy" grail car etc and people get pumped up I get it. And there are at least 7-8 black copo chevelles as well. My thoughts are different on these cars as they hold a special place in history to me. Not about how much I can get and be a "Flipper". So to tell me that I need to explain myself this is my explanation. Explain why you are so interested and what your own conclusion is?
Sean, With your comments you are making it sound like there are problems with this car, Go back and read your post. Just because the father and son couldn't answer your questions. I've inspected $1000.00 cars better than the 2 inspected this car. This is the "69 427 COPO Barn Find Post" might explain why I'm commenting only about it. Obviously I know personally about this car. You may know of 8,10, or even 50 black COPO cars, But there are only 3 known besides this one. By this registry this is a 1 of 2 black 4 speed car known. Something is odd if this isn't a holy grail. What do you need to know that the 2 men couldn't enlight you about? It is a shame that a nice car as this is brought to life and mostly all the people on this registry want to do is down play it and accuse the owner of being a thief, cheater, whatever else they can think of. The 2 men learned about this car thru work and contacted the owner and they ask to come look at the car and He gave them a not for sale price and here we are, lies, accusations, and cut up backs. This is a great condition one family owned unmolested original car, Can't we celebrate that?

[Sean]

You are speculating that I said something is wrong. Plain in simple I do not by any cars with no documentation. I cut to the chase no BS with me. I have my ways about doing business. Father and son? Do not know anything about that. It may upset you I do not agree with you. If someone wants to pony up 225k good for them. I did not down play the car saying it was a fake or anything else. You come on here only to speak about this car with 5 posts and you are defensive if someone may ask a question that does not suit your situation. The barn find deal has become redundant all cars are now barn finds. Neat find why not post up some detailed photos, numbers, stamping, any original paper work and legitimize it as to what it is suppose to be that would cool would it not?

[subyman99]

Sean, speaking of cars with docs.. what happened to your “original paint black copo “ you tried selling me? You sent pics of a known clone car to me stating it was a survivor car. After some research I found it was a fake that was sold through one of the auctions.
You never did clear that one up with me very well.

[RST]

Wow what a read ….. my 2 cents worth …… if you have the money and you think its worth it ………….. good for you ….. buy it …… to me, if it is not a Canadian documented car, or have a TON of original documentation with absolute proof …. you blew it at any price. As for what its worth ………… original, restored or otherwise …. its an old Muscle Car and its worth what someone is willing to pay for it :) God Bless you all :)

[Rumbleguts396]

Just my opinion. This thread seems to have run its course. Derailed and become personal. Not what this forum is about. Let’s keep it fun, a place to forget about our day to day and realities of life/work Etc. Rob

[m22mike]

Just my opinion. This thread seems to have run its course. Derailed and become personal. Not what this forum is about. Let’s keep it fun, a place to forget about our day to day and realities of life/work Etc. Rob


Agree, maybe time to shut it down :confused2:
Mike

[HawkX66]

For what it's worth, I disagree with shutting disagreeable threads down. It goes with freedom of speech. Sometimes it isn't convenient or comfortable. Sometimes the truth about things shakes out in the end. If folks don't like reading the back and forth, which I truly can understand, they don't have to keep clicking on the link to read it.
This is an amazing car IMO and I've enjoyed reading about it.

[m22mike]

I hope we all get to see allot more of this car at some point.


Mike

[Schonyenko2]

Question: I thought that 15x7 ralleys were what came standard on COPO Chevelle. Were SS rims an option rather than the ralleys?

[m22mike]

Kenny
COPO 9566 used the 14" SS wheel
and COPO 9562 used the 15" Rally that I think was part of 9737 sports car conversion.
on 15" cars both of those COPO codes were on the BS lower left


Mike

[Schonyenko2]

Thank you. That clears it up.

[Zoomin69]

The SS wheels were standard with this COPO Chevelle.

[Mr70]

Wow what a read ….. my 2 cents worth …… if you have the money and you think its worth it ………….. good for you ….. buy it …… to me, if it is not a Canadian documented car, or have a TON of original documentation with absolute proof …. you blew it at any price. As for what its worth ………… original, restored or otherwise …. its an old Muscle Car and its worth what someone is willing to pay for it :) God Bless you all :)

Don't put 100% trust in a Canadian documented car.That only documents that particular VIN,not the actually vehicle that is attached to it today.

[SuperNovaSS]

Don't put 100% trust in a Canadian documented car.That only documents that particular VIN,not the actually vehicle that is attached to it today.


Isn’t that true of any docs?

Jason

[Mr70]

Absolutely,which is why one type of document shouldn't be held higher among the rest.

[L78M22Rag]

Don't put 100% trust in a Canadian documented car.That only documents that particular VIN,not the actually vehicle that is attached to it today.

On that note, you should also pay the fee to order yourself a new report. GM Canada Vintage Vehicle Services now puts their corporate seal on documentation, but older Canadian documentation is as easy to forge as any other document.

[chevmal]

Sometimes it's nice to find a unrestored, unmolested original car with known history that hasn't been passed around endlessly over the past 50 years.

[the427king]

That's very true imo, but a friend always said hed rather have a car w alot of owners because when they own it a short time they usually take care of the car and dont neglect it,and usually they've paid good money for it ..people that own cars for 30 40 50 years always let then sit unattended for most of the time and they are not usually running and are full of mice and mold etc, mostly because the original owner doesnt have alot invested in it ...kind of makes sense

[chevmal]

I'm just saying that with a original car with known history, You don't have to worry about it being rebodied, restamped vin. numbers or any previous damage from wrecks or rust. etc.

[Zedder]

That's very true imo, but a friend always said hed rather have a car w alot of owners because when they own it a short time they usually take care of the car and dont neglect it,and usually they've paid good money for it ..people that own cars for 30 40 50 years always let then sit unattended for most of the time and they are not usually running and are full of mice and mold etc, mostly because the original owner doesnt have alot invested in it ...kind of makes sense

This is absolutely true 99% of the time...

[cook_dw]

Glad I’m a 1%’er..:burnout:

[chevmal]

Me too!

[GrumpyJeff]

That's very true imo, but a friend always said hed rather have a car w alot of owners because when they own it a short time they usually take care of the car and dont neglect it,and usually they've paid good money for it ..people that own cars for 30 40 50 years always let then sit unattended for most of the time and they are not usually running and are full of mice and mold etc, mostly because the original owner doesnt have alot invested in it ...kind of makes sense
Interesting Point ! Never really thought about it like that ! Makes a lot of sense

[SS427]

That's very true imo, but a friend always said hed rather have a car w alot of owners because when they own it a short time they usually take care of the car and dont neglect it,and usually they've paid good money for it ..people that own cars for 30 40 50 years always let then sit unattended for most of the time and they are not usually running and are full of mice and mold etc, mostly because the original owner doesnt have alot invested in it ...kind of makes sense

I disagree. Even people that own their cars for 50 years take care of them. No mice, dogs or racoons in here. Ha!

[chevmal]

There you go, A few gallons of bondo and enough china body panels to make that American car technically a Foreign car.:haha:

[Richls5]

patrick glenn nichols shared these to fb looks pretty damn good to me!

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[JoeC]

I wonder if they found a build sheet in it

[Woj]

I see the car has had quite a few components removed in the photos, I hope the owner is documenting what he has removed (component dates, numbers and markings). The finish on the car looks pretty good at this point. Hopefully the trim that has been removed will be replaced with GM parts. It would be a shame if any repop trim went back on. Nice looking car.

Phil Woj

PS. Very doubtful there is a build sheet, but there is always a chance. There is a good likelihood of a computer card or two in the upholstery.

[bergy]

IMO - all cars rest on 3 legs:

- factory/dealer paperwork

- ownership history with contact info

-certification of options and originality (including body & drive train stampings)

the more, the better!!

[Zedder]

The pics are posted under the "COPO Cars" Facebook page. More are there than what is shown above. Looks like a super clean car to me!

[Tracker1]

Looks like the best 40K that guy ever spent. :) Great stuff. Kudos.

[Tracker1]

Inside goodness

photos courtesy of Patrick Glenn Nichols

[70 copo]

WOW.

That's pretty nice!

[SuperNovaSS]

Looks sweet to me. Where is all the rust and restoration needed that was mentioned earlier?


Jason

[Charley Lillard]

If it really was appraised at 40K I would love to know the name of the appraiser.

[Chevyfever]

Charley, as I understand the buyer has wanted this car for years.
There was a family member that refused to pay the $40,000 and he sold
it to buyer .Don't know if there was an appraiser involved,I knew that
car was taken care of by original owner.

[L78M22Rag]

I see the car has had quite a few components removed in the photos, I hope the owner is documenting what he has removed (component dates, numbers and markings). The finish on the car looks pretty good at this point. Hopefully the trim that has been removed will be replaced with GM parts. It would be a shame if any repop trim went back on. Nice looking car.

Phil Woj

PS. Very doubtful there is a build sheet, but there is always a chance. There is a good likelihood of a computer card or two in the upholstery.

I think it would be a shame if anything but the original trim went back on this car. Swapping any trim for better or NOS GM parts would take away from this car.

[Craig_Maiorana]

This thing is amazing. Reminds me of Dennis Cumbys car. Obviously D's is a 70 but for sure the same flavor.

Very nice .. I just hope all of the right things happen with this car for all of the right reasons.

[1903USMCUnertl]

Cool car..and a great find...my guess the value of $225k probably has A LOT to do with PGN. Looked at a '70 LS6 he inspected which at best is a $20-25k car..rough as a cobb and no paperwork.. he told the owner it is a $50k + car...needless to say the owner believes the "internet guru," and thinks he has a $50k car and won't listen to actual real world offers.

Sadly it makes buying stuff for realistic value hard when an "internet" guru over values...and then has no intention of paying said value...I often see the same thing in US/German WW2 weapons...some "guru" says a piece is worth "X" but never actually produces "X" to buy the item...just muddies the water for the actual legit potential buyers.

[the427king]

Agreed, had this been an ebay or craigslist ad with contact info the seller would have had people that weren't in a position to buy telling him it's worth 500k just so noone would get a deal on it ,and people wanting the car would be telling him how it would be in a shrine if they bought it and how they weren't buying for resale in hopes that would sway the buyer....being the person that actually gets the car is tricky and usually it just ends up not getting sold because the seller is overwhelmed with all the attention and BS

[Richls5]

Cool car..and a great find...my guess the value of $225k probably has A LOT to do with PGN. Looked at a '70 LS6 he inspected which at best is a $20-25k car..rough as a cobb and no paperwork.. he told the owner it is a $50k + car...needless to say the owner believes the "internet guru," and thinks he has a $50k car and won't listen to actual real world offers.

Sadly it makes buying stuff for realistic value hard when an "internet" guru over values...and then has no intention of paying said value...I often see the same thing in US/German WW2 weapons...some "guru" says a piece is worth "X" but never actually produces "X" to buy the item...just muddies the water for the actual legit potential buyers.

was that the black one with white stripes? I saw it on ebay for 50K and thought that was a bit of a stretch

[1903USMCUnertl]

was that the black one with white stripes? I saw it on ebay for 50K and thought that was a bit of a stretch

The Autumn Gold, Black stripe, Black vinyl top car...real car...no docs and rough

[Richls5]

The Autumn Gold, Black stripe, Black vinyl top car...real car...no docs and rough

the one he did a video on? atleast that one had its engine and what not the black one I believe had a warranty block and was real rough

[1903USMCUnertl]

yes that is the one...car is real...but also missing a lot of dated stuff and needing a lot of body work...plus no docs...had a BS, but sadly sheet was destroyed by water and being left on the car..nothing left..

[Tracker1]

Running video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMIRqK3rH9I

[cook_dw]

So did this car ever sell or did the one person still have it? By the looks of the video compared to the older photos that the same guy owns it? Car looks great.

[Bill Pritchard]

We may never find out, Darrell. You can bet that anyone who posted here 3 yrs ago with supposed direct knowledge of the black COPO Chevelle will not be posting any updates about it.

[Hawkeye]

I was planning on doing a write up in the Member’s Ride forum to share an update, history as I know it and some photos. Please be patient as I am still gathering some additional information. I’ve made friends with 2 people that knew the original owner and his brother very well. They’ve shared some great insight on the brothers and potentially a vintage photo might surface soon too.
The posted video was taken by the previous owner in June of 2020. I purchased the car in July of 2020. Stay tuned!
Thanks,
Marty

[Xplantdad]

Marty-Awesome! :headbang:

[MosportGreen66]

I was planning on doing a write up in the Member’s Ride forum to share an update, history as I know it and some photos. Please be patient as I am still gathering some additional information. I’ve made friends with 2 people that knew the original owner and his brother very well. They’ve shared some great insight on the brothers and potentially a vintage photo might surface soon too.
The posted video was taken by the previous owner in June of 2020. I purchased the car in July of 2020. Stay tuned!
Thanks,
Marty

This might be the longest secret I've ever kept... Long overdue public calling for a job well done on stepping up for a real-deal, factory black, '69 COPO Chevelle Marty! Congrats - it gets no better!

[cook_dw]

Congrats Marty

[Steve Shauger]

Congratulations and look forward to learning more about this COPO and sharing this amazing car with us!!

[dykstra]

Congratulations Marty. Way cool car!!

[Rumbleguts396]

Awesome Car and an Awesome Guy !!! Well Done Marty!!! Can't wait to see her !!! ROB

[A12pilot]

Man, talk about keeping it back.:eek2: If you were in the mob, you’d be known as Marty “Tight-Lips”.:wink:

Congrats, that’s awesome!!!

Cheers
Dave