So how many of you guys restore your engines correctly

[muscle_collector]

I have always had a disagreement with car show judges on them incorrectly judging restored cars. I had this very discussion with one years ago and I said that he should be deducting points for the guys who have their engines too detailed. I guess this picture proves the painting process of the engine itself. (looking at the big block in the subframe next in line). I know that a few do this now. not nearly as pretty as natural exhaust manifolds.

[X66 714]

Also interesting the shine on that upper control arm & the paint coverage...Joe

[Verne_Frantz]

I almost did, but I didn't leave the block bare behind the manifolds. Two step painting. I couldn't bring myself to be THAT correct.
Verne

160780

[Verne_Frantz]

I modified an engine cradle so the bell could be attached during painting as it was done at Tonawanda.


Verne



160781

[SS427]

Right, wrong or otherwise, I restore mine the way they were painted originally unless the customer says no. Concours is concours. I do not paint my manifolds entirely but rather I paint them to simulate what they would look like after much of the paint has burned off.

[McCune]

What about the incorrect battery insulator on that alternator? LOL

[rszmjt]

I have always had a disagreement with car show judges on them incorrectly judging restored cars. I had this very discussion with one years ago and I said that he should be deducting points for the guys who have their engines too detailed. I guess this picture proves the painting process of the engine itself. (looking at the big block in the subframe next in line). I know that a few do this now. not nearly as pretty as natural exhaust manifolds.


What’s interesting in that line picture is that the frame/engine behind the 67 Camaro is not a Camaro subframe , it looks like big car or maybe Chevelle? Makes me wonder if this is a GM staged publicity photo?

[firstgenaddict]

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JOHNZ's photo of the pad masking in Tonowanda
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[X66 714]

Here's how mine came out. Took the paint out of the can & shot it with a HVLP...Joe

[dmarr35]

shouldn't the heater hoses be ribbed and not GM stamped?

[169indy]

What’s interesting in that line picture is that the frame/engine behind the 67 Camaro is not a Camaro subframe , it looks like big car or maybe Chevelle? Makes me wonder if this is a GM staged publicity photo?

Big Car & Camaro built at Van Nuys maybe, (LOS) plant

[rszmjt]

Big Car & Camaro built at Van Nuys maybe, (LOS) plant

Did they run different cars on the same line like that? You would think that would be a parts nightmare not to mention specialized equipment like the body jigs shown on the Camaro.

[Verne_Frantz]

The Los Angeles plant started that in '64 when they added the Chevelle to the line with full size cars. They were also the first Chevy plant to change to a "chassis rise" mating rather than the standard "body drop" joining.



Verne

[169indy]

Did they run different cars on the same line like that? You would think that would be a parts nightmare not to mention specialized equipment like the body jigs shown on the Camaro.

Per the report
LOS - Fisher Body body scheduling code
at the .crg site they talk about Codes on the tag re to body build and this state
Camaros and full-size passenger cars both incremented the same sequence counter.

http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle

[muscle_collector]

I assume this is the los plant based on the smog pump on the big block????

[70 copo]

Yes that image back on page 1 is from GM Van Nuys. (LOS)

Towveyor assembly line at LOS.

Fixed Pedestal/Body drop at Norwood. Big difference in the assembly process between the two plants.

[Keith Seymore]

Did they run different cars on the same line like that? You would think that would be a parts nightmare not to mention specialized equipment like the body jigs shown on the Camaro.

Absolutely.

[jdv69z]

What’s interesting in that line picture is that the frame/engine behind the 67 Camaro is not a Camaro subframe , it looks like big car or maybe Chevelle? Makes me wonder if this is a GM staged publicity photo?

If the pic is from LA, it could be an Impala.

[Burd]

shouldn't the heater hoses be ribbed and not GM stamped?


I’ve always wondered this,

[Lynn]

I admit, I normally don't restore engines correctly. I am guilty of over restoring, just because it looks better. If I had aspirations of having a car judged (I don't) of course I would do it differently.

Same with the exterior. I couldn't live with the waviness of the seam between quarter panels and the roof panel on my black car as it came from the factory. I re-leaded the seam to get it smooth. I also couldn't bring myself to paint the tail end the same way they did at the factory, leaving almost an inch of panel without black paint; it just had primer way down low in some places. I also improved panel fit (my doors were slightly "twisted") from factory.

I did take special care to get the firewall, heater cover, and "white out" and underside of the car replicated as close as I could. But then, I went with stainless brake and fuel lines so I wouldn't need to take any steps to keep the lines from rusting.

I think if you look at most high end restored cars, they look way better than they ever did on the show room floor. That too can be considered incorrect. Correct?

[firstgenaddict]

shouldn't the heater hoses be ribbed and not GM stamped?

From my observations early 69's had GM stamped hoses later cars had ribbed hoses.