Corona Virus Member Discussion

[Xplantdad]

Holly posted this on Facebook-excuse the language...but it needs to be said:


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And here were my responses.



Amen...Don't be the jerk who ruins it for everyone. Car shows will be back later. Vacations can happen later. Use this time smartly and effectively. Don't think that this couldn't / won't happen to you. Practice what the doctors are saying. We'll all get through this.




Am I overreacting, maybe! But, we've had Holly for 30 wonderful years...and I'll be safe rather than sorry. Don't be a selfish jerk, and we'll all get through this...




Be safe everyone.

[Steve Shauger]

I think Lynn requested we separate this topic from the values on our cars. A lot of post on the other thread co-mingled both topics so it's difficult transfer those posts..


I have over half my staff working remotely. There are some efficiencies lost but the health and welfare of our employee is most important. My department staff has been with mean average 20 plus years (some 35 yes it's a rather mature group... that the PC speaking ). I've spoken to them collectively as a group, and I felt addressing their concerns individually in these circumstances would help.


It's times like these people step up and are noticed. My glass is half full and wish everyone and their families continued health.


We are all in this together so please respect everyone's opinions and concerns.

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/vHbJHg2L/screenshot-7730.png (https://postimages.cc/)

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

[Lee Stewart]

Theaters Seek Government Assistance for ‘Unprecedented’ Crisis

The movie theater industry is asking for Congress and the Trump Administration to urgently consider fiscal relief as it grapples with a global shut down of business operations due to the coronavirus.

In a March 18 statement from the National Association of Theater Owners, the trade group said the immediate fiscal aid would allow exhibitors and its 150,000 employees to weather the present COVID-19 pandemic crisis.

Exhibitors, which include AMC Theatres and Regal Cinemas, are looking for loan guarantees to ease liquidity issues imposed by fixed costs in the face of non-existent revenue.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/theaters-owners-seek-government-assistance-during-unprecedented-crisis/

[Lee Stewart]

Shouldn't this thread be in the LOUNGE FORUM?

[Lee Stewart]

New coronavirus finger-prick test 'can detect infection in 15 minutes'

A UK based laboratory claims it has developed a finger-prick testing kit that can detect Covid-19 infection in just 15 minutes.

AlphaBiolabs told the Liverpool Echo that the test can be performed by an individual or company health professional, and will show whether a person has the coronavirus or not.

The Warrington based firm claimed the sample collection method used is less unpleasant than the current nasopharyngeal method, which involves swapping the nose and the back of the throat.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-fingerprick-test-a4390471.html

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/jSLR630S/screenshot-7731.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://www.humandx.org/covid-19/assessment

[70 copo]

The CDC just quietly dropped the death toll from 121 to 97. I guess the Coronavirus isn’t as deadly as they predicted.

March 18, 2020
COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance*
Total cases: 7,038
Total deaths: 97

Jurisdictions reporting cases: 54 (50 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)

* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

[Lee Stewart]

NY STATE REELING FROM CORONAVIRUS: Cases jump by more than 1,000 in one day to 2,382, death toll now 20

NEW YORK (1010 WINS) -- New York State has more coronavirus cases than any state in the U.S., as the number cases jumped by more than 1,000 in one day to 2,382 statewide, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Wednesday.

There have been 20 deaths related to the virus, as well, he announced.

Cuomo also said he would sign an executive order making it mandatory that no more than 50 percent of the workforce can report to work statewide. Essential workers are exempt. Cuomo added media organizations to the essential workers group.

https://1010wins.radio.com/articles/2382-coronavirus-cases-in-ny-20-deaths

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/prLLw27D/screenshot-7732.png (https://postimages.cc/)

Now that we have a dedicated thread, you made this statement 2 days ago. This would be a good place for you to explain your rational.

[Lee Stewart]

CORONAVIRUS ON LONG ISLAND: Suffolk reports 'dramatic jump' to 152 cases, Nassau reports 278

NEW YORK (1010 WINS) -- Long Island, like other areas in the tri-state, continue to see a jump in coronavirus cases: Suffolk County officials on Wednesday reported a "dramatic jump" in cases to 152 countywide; on Tuesday that number was 97.

There are 142 new cases of coronavirus in Nassau County, bringing the countywide total to 278, officials said Wednesday.

The total number of cases on Long Island is 430 as of Wednesday afternoon.

County Executive Steve Bellone said in a briefing, "This is simply a reflection of what we have been talking about," in reference to a boost is testing.

There is also now a drive-through coronavirus testing site at Stony Brook University in Nassau County.

https://1010wins.radio.com/articles/long-island-coronavirus-cases-jump-to-430

[70 copo]

https://i.postimg.cc/prLLw27D/screenshot-7732.png (https://postimages.cc/)

Now that we have a dedicated thread, you made this statement 2 days ago. This would be a good place for you to explain your rational.

Hi Lee

Simple. I am a member of this forum and as such I am entitled to post and contribute to the forum.

SO in 58 days or so when this whole thing fizzles out, the economy of the country is ruined in the process, jobs and careers are lost we can all reflect on the commentary shared right here.

That is the purpose of this forum is it not?

Well did I pass?

[Lee Stewart]

Hi Lee

Simple. I am a member of this forum and as such I am entitled to post and contribute to the forum.

SO in 58 days or so when this whole thing fizzles out, the economy of the country is ruined in the process, jobs and careers are lost we can all reflect on the commentary shared right here.

That is the purpose of this forum is it not?

Well did I pass?

IMO - no you failed . . . to explain how a pandemic like CV-19 will be gone in now less than 60 days. This has NEVER happened in the past before. We have no antivirals and no vaccine. Without them we can't beat a pandemic and they are talking about 6 months to a year before we see them. We are straining our systems just to have people tested. The number of deaths continues to climb each day.

Sure - you can say whatever you want. But I strongly doubt anyone here will agree with your thinking. I certainly don't.

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/N0QqJdZX/screenshot-7733.png (https://postimages.org/)

[dboles]

If Biden wins the election the virus will suddenly disappear.

[Lee Stewart]

Younger Adults Comprise Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.

American adults of all ages — not just those in their 70s, 80s and 90s — are being seriously sickened by the coronavirus, according to a report on nearly 2,500 of the first recorded cases in the United States.

The report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients had the greatest likelihood of dying and of being hospitalized. But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/younger-adults-comprise-big-portion-of-coronavirus-hospitalizations-in-us/ar-BB11nGEB?ocid=spartandhp

[Lee Stewart]

NYSE to temporarily close trading floor, move to electronic trading because of coronavirus

The New York Stock Exchange said Wednesday it will temporarily close its historic trading floor and move fully to electronic trading after two people tested positive for coronavirus infection at screenings it had set up this week.

All-electronic trading will begin on March 23 at the open, the exchange said. The facilities to be closed are the NYSE equities trading floor and NYSE American Options trading floor in New York, and NYSE Arca Options trading floor in San Francisco.

The closure was in part as a result of positive coronavirus tests of two people, Stacey Cunningham, President of the NYSE, told CNBC. The entrants were stopped at the medical screenings at the Big Board.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/nyse-to-temporarily-close-trading-floor-move-to-electronic-trading-because-of-coronavirus/ar-BB11ny99?li=BBnbfcN&ocid=spartandhp

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZngnhG60/BB11n7jW.jpg (https://postimg.cc/D4rnrYjK)

Christmas Lights Are Going Back Up All Over the Country to Symbolize Hope

[Lee Stewart]

First two members of Congress test positive for coronavirus

Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, a ninth-term Florida Republican, and Rep. Ben McAdams, a freshman Democrat from Utah, revealed on Wednesday that they had tested positive for coronavirus, becoming the first U.S. lawmakers to contract the virus that‘s spreading across the country.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/first-two-members-of-congress-test-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB11nE0o?ocid=spartandhp

[70 copo]

IMO - no you failed . . . to explain how a pandemic like CV-19 will be gone in now less than 60 days. This has NEVER happened in the past before. We have no antivirals and no vaccine. Without them we can't beat a pandemic and they are talking about 6 months to a year before we see them. We are straining our systems just to have people tested. The number of deaths continues to climb each day.

Sure - you can say whatever you want. But I strongly doubt anyone here will agree with your thinking. I certainly don't.

Alright Lee,

I simply posted a factual report form the CDC here. You proceeded to snap shot a post I made in the previous thread on this topic and you called me out.

I answered your question Now you simply troll me and move the goal posts.

Ok Lee, you already apologized in the last thread for fear mongering. I could screen shot and post your apology and sudden exit from the previous thread on this topic but I will not.

So you need even more clarification.

Part#1

Why do I think the pandemic will be gone in 60 days? Simple. If you believe the Chinese, they have already returned to full production after the outbreak there and 60 days ago the country was literally on fire with the illness.

If they can do it why in the world would anyone think North America cannot?

[70 copo]

Part #2 Cultural.

Italy is an absolute hot spot for Chinese investment. So much so that the mayor of Florence Italy sponsored a "Hug a Tourist" event just before the outbreak went into overdrive there.

Europe is open borders and very Anti Xenophobic too.

Do you think culturally North America would be ok doing this at all with a pandemic looming?

Here is a non partisan video of the attitude that made Italy ground Zero for the pandemic.

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[70 copo]

The real impact of the illness is fear, and economic destruction fueled by Panic and hysteria.

The world is not ending.

We will get through this together.

Give the TV a break.

[Steve Shauger]

I'd say we've had enough of the screen shots of the different TV outlets. No one has a crystal ball.


This pandemic has had devastating affects, however from a personal standpoint it does allow us/me to reflect, and perhaps open a dialog with our families and friends.


My daughter and son in-law are full time teachers with 3 young children, and their daily lives are quite chaotic . Now they are spending 24 x7 together as a family. This has opened opportunities to teach their children to be self sufficiency, team work and presents real teaching moments.


I think if we can, help those that are most affected financially by the crisis in any way. My wife and I have done so and it's very rewarding.




I guess what I'm saying is find ways to be as helpful and productive in these times. I always liked JFK's Inaugural address phrase; Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

[bergy]

Come on guys - arguing over the outcome of this thing is getting ridiculous.

More importantly - have any of our members (or anyone that they know) been infected? 🙏

[Lynn]

No one I know has been infected. Of course, we only have 49 confirmed cases in OK, with a population just a tick under 4 million. The optimist in me really wants to believe Phil is right on the money with the 60 day prediction. But, that's all it is; a prediction.

Some of the measures here in OK seem a bit drastic to me. But, I am not a health care professional.

[parkbrau]

I'm the Medical Emergency Manager at Landstuhl Army Medical Center. We have one staff member that popped hot and another tested due to close contact with a service member that popped hot, awaiting results. It's stressful on the staff, especially those with kids, single parents.

I'm going to paste a portion a post I received from another EM pro, retired AF now working FEMA. If you want the entire post I could PM it to you. I thought it was spot on...but this little piece is as well:
Your emergency managers, your public health agencies, your hospitals, and National Guard units and Red Cross are all working incredibly hard, working their ASSES off, to get this right. Will there be mistakes? Oh yes. There will be, were all human, remember? And this is new. But trust me when I say it is as important to them to get it right as it is to you. So, please, cut them some slack. Work WITH each other to take care of each other. If there is only ONE pack of toilet paper left, well darn it just give the other desperate person half the rolls. Don’t lick airplane toilet seats! That’s just nasty! If you work at a restaurant with a drive thru, feed the truck drivers! Don’t be afraid of them! Let them walk up to the speaker, place their order, and then reach around the door to hand them their food if you’re that afraid. But don’t tell them too bad. They need to eat. They need toilets and showers and rest stops so they can deliver YOUR FOOD, YOUR BABY SUPPLIES, YOUR TOILET PAPER, YOUR HAND SANITIZER, YOUR CLOROX WIPES. If you’re asked to self-quarantine, do it! Care about your fellow humans! If your kid’s school shut down, well, I’m sorry. First world problems. Get the kids together (only 10!) and rotate houses, taking turns teaching, playing, learning, feeding them. Missing important milestones like prom? Re-schedule it. Or better yet, have a bunch of mini proms at the kids’ homes. FaceTime proms. Improvise. Military people have been doing it for years. You can too. We need our communities to work together to respond and fight this pandemic. Not leave it up to a handful of people you don’t even trust anyway. STOP perpetuating lies and misinformation. Stop listening to the news, and study up on the scientific sites. Come on people. Sorry, I didn’t mean to make this a long rant. It’s just ridiculous and out of control.

[Crush]

China reported no new cases as of today Starbucks opened up all their stores as have all the Apple stores.

[JBALL]

Hello,

Update from the food industry:

All major CPG's (Consumer Product Group) are reviewing their portfolio's and will be suspending production on some items to focus on core items.

Fresh chicken is up 100-300% - Foster Farms is at capacity
Packaged meat - up 50 - 200%

Center store is up 50 to 200%

Key categories will be allocation for some time.

Be patient with the store clerks.. they are doing their best. DC's are at capacity for appts. Loads are being prioritized based upon needs. Try to buy what you need.. ask your elderly neighbor if they need anything.

Lastly, put your cart back!

Stay safe,

Jason

[L78racer]

Lastly, put your cart back!

starting to see lots of used latex gloves on the ground in the parking lots discarded by shoppers. these will end up in drainage systems and likely cause problems.

[Burd]

I saw a video from the cdc, looks like people with type O blood do better with the virus. Type A is way worse.

[Steve Shauger]

I saw a video from the cdc, looks like people with type O blood do better with the virus. Type A is way worse.




Just what I needed to hear !!!!:grin:

[A12pilot]

Great post, Parkbrau! Landstuhl? I flew in and out of Ramstein for years! We’d stay at the Hotel Christine. Man I miss than town. K-Town was fun too! Sniff....good times.

Stay safe and thanks for your service!!

Cheers
Dave

[70 copo]

Come on guys - arguing over the outcome of this thing is getting ridiculous.

More importantly - have any of our members (or anyone that they know) been infected? ��


I guess an antibody test would tell for sure. I attended the ISCA event in Cincinnati with a group of Norwood Retirees and relatives. I displayed the Last Norwood build there for the public to see. The show had tremendous gate all weekend and I spent time shaking hands all weekend as well.

I had a large bottle of sanitizer on the table and used it liberally all weekend.

All of the retirees got sick after the show within 3-5 days. My cousin got very sick on day 8 her Husband very sick and earlier then her.

Dry Hacking cough, Fever. Two trips to the doctor for him one for her both tested negative for the FLU both recovered. All the retirees recovered.

My wife was sick for 4 days. I was sick for over a week. Low grade fever, headache, and intestinal issues. We both recovered on our own.

Another member of this site was also in close proximity to all of us for an extended period of time. He wound up a asymptomatic, however his wife became very ill 8 days later and was taken to the hospital with pneumonia.

She also recovered.

Do I think this stuff has been here a tad bit longer then we think? You betcha I do.

[bergy]

OMG - it never stops! Conjecture

[70 copo]

OMG - it never stops! Conjecture

Hey you asked. There was no test kits available. The symptoms match.

As my Drill Instructor Dad told me. Son be aware of the question where any answer you provide will be the "wrong answer".

[bergy]

I give up - have it your way - you were the first to have your own corona pandemic.

[Mr70]

Pretty dramatic fact.

[EZ Nova]

Sorry guys, but this will be around way past 60 days. It's now March 19th. China itself has been dealing with it for at least 120 days as there timeline started back in December. They had a few days with no new cases, YET today they had 34. YES there population is huge. Plus you add the fact or there eating habits, like bats, rats dogs and cats multiplied by overcrowding, sure they will probably be the worst hit country on the planet. BUT they have turned the corner HOPEFULLY. North America should be able to do the same.

My friend has 2 daughters in direct contact with the virus with there hospitals in Toronto. They both received letters this week with pretty much a written guarantee they WILL GET COVID 19. They're both in there mid/late 20's. They WILL get sick, BUT THEY WILL RECOVER and once that happens, they WILL NOT GET IT AGAIN.

TIN FOIL HAT TIME!!!!!

Then you have this:

https://capitalisteric.wordpress.com/2020/03/08/coronavirus-blunt-truth/


10th paragraph:
"The answer is, they didn’t. This virus was created at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and they published the highlights of their creation in November 2015. When you look at the list of “scholars” associated with this Frankenstein of a virus, you’ll see the name Zheng-Li Shi, who just happens to represent the Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China. Of course, there were other scientists, most representing UNC, but there were also representatives from Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology, Zurich, Switzerland and Harvard Medical School."

Now some I have heard about wanting to bring back work from China and not have them a powerhouse in the world, well this virus is doing that!!!!! Next they wanted the southern US boarder closed to illegals, well that is done not too right?

So IF that article is correct, and was in fact made in a lab on NC, with the help of the head of all that Wuhan China stuff, and now it come out that one of the main players in the designing of this, is from GROUND ZERO of the outbreak. And it also just happens to coincides with 2 major issues of bring jobs back to the USA and being LESS dependant on China, plus closes the southern Mexico border.

Not sure I believe that whole thing 100%, but it does make one step back and think for a minute.........................

[Lynn]

I saw a video from the cdc, looks like people with type O blood do better with the virus. Type A is way worse.

Sherri and I went by the Blood Institute Tues. and gave blood. I am O+. I anticipate they will have a shortage of donors, so we wanted to do our part to keep them ahead of the curve.

I am NOT saying the virus will create the need for more blood. Just saying less people will get out and donate.

[SuperNovaSS]

Pretty dramatic fact.



I feel that is has become clearer here in just a matter of days. It could be a coincidence but I can’t remember being able to see this clearly across the Monterey bay from my house in a very long time, if ever.

Jason

[parkbrau]

TIN FOIL HAT TIME!!!!!

Then you have this:

https://capitalisteric.wordpress.com/2020/03/08/coronavirus-blunt-truth/


.......

Misinformation is spreading faster than the virus..

[JoeC]

GM, Ford are ‘exploring’ making ventilators for coronavirus patients amid shortage fears


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gm-ford-are-exploring-making-ventilators-for-coronavirus-patients-amid-shortage-fears-2020-03-19?mod=investing

[StealthBird]

FACTS:

The reason Italy has been hit so hard is because they have the oldest population in Europe, and those elderly Italians aren't exactly social media butterflies that know what's going on in the world. That's why this flu spread so quickly in Italy, and the death toll is so high.

All 16 special COVID-19 hospitals have shut down in China because there aren't enough new cases of COVID-19 to justify the cost. The media hardly reported this.

The reason COVID-19 cases in America have skyrocketed in the past week is because we're TESTING for it now, so of COURSE cases will go up.

The vast majority of cases resulting in death are due to people with underlying health issues. Elderly people have ALWAYS been at risk when they contract the flu or pneumonia. Been that way since the dawn of time. Nothing is different with this flu virus.

Estimates say that 50 million of us may have already been exposed to the COVID-19 virus and we didn't even know it. It may have been nothing more than a slight cough, a sneeze, and by the next day all is well because your body fought it off.

When the H1N1 epidemic broke out in 2009, we didn't have mass panic, we didn't close schools, we didn't shut down businesses, we didn't self quarantine. The official CDC states that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, there were 60.8 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths in the U.S.

Why no panic back then?

Here's a chart from the CDC (Center For Disease Control) on the COVID-19 outbreak, and how many people died of the flu/pneumonia in 2018.

So STOP overreacting, STOP clicking on every biased 'doom and gloom' media story bent on destroying America, our way of life, and our economy.

[Crush]

Well said stealthy!!

[Lee Stewart]

The reason why there was no panic during the H1N1 epidemic in April 2009 was because the country was already in panic mode due to The Great Recession. That was what the media was covering and that was what the Fed was responding to.

You have to look at where we were right before the CV19 pandemic hit:

Record unemployment low

Record stock market high

Full recovery of the housing market

Everything was roses, waterfalls and rainbows. The only thing on the minds of Americans and in the media was the 2020 election. So maybe now you can understand when it all turned upside down literally overnight.

[Lee Stewart]

GameStop: We Can Stay Open During Lockdowns Because We're 'Essential Retail'

The video game retail chain GameStop told all of its stores this afternoon to stay open even in the event of state or city lockdowns to protect against the covid-19 pandemic, emphasizing that it is “essential retail” alongside groceries and pharmacies and should therefore be exempt from enforced closures.

“Due to the products we carry that enable and enhance our customers’ experience in working from home, we believe GameStop is classified as essential retail and therefore is able to remain open during this time,” the retailer said in a memo to staff this afternoon, obtained by Kotaku.

https://kotaku.com/gamestop-we-can-stay-open-during-lockdowns-because-wer-1842415962

If you are not familiar with GameStop, they are a retailer that sells gaming consoles and video games which happens to be on the very edge of going bankrupt.

[WILMASBOYL78]

Spotted this story online today...folks are putting their Christmas lites back up to take away the darkness of this virus.

Americans rehanging Christmas lights to light darkness of coronavirus


https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/americans-rehanging-christmas-lights-to-light-darkness-of-coronavirus

Now I know why we didn't take down our tree at the farm in the Adirondacks...it is on a cold porch and still is as fresh as when it went up on Christmas eve.

Hope the tree helps drive away this terrible virus.

Be safe...stay strong...don't panic :flag::santa:

-wilma

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/ydBgm7k0/bdfs.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The world's fastest supercomputer identified chemicals that could stop coronavirus from spreading, a crucial step toward a vaccine

Summit, IBM's supercomputer equipped with the "brain of AI," ran thousands of simulations to analyze which drug compounds might effectively stop the virus from infecting host cells.

The supercomputer identified 77 of them. It's a promising step toward creating the most effective vaccine.

Summit was commissioned by the US Department of Energy in 2014 for the purpose it's serving now -- solving the world's problems.

It's got the power of 200 petaflops, which means it has the computing speed of 200 quadrillion calculations per second, aka: It's 1 million times more powerful than the fastest laptop.

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZngnhG60/BB11n7jW.jpg (https://postimg.cc/D4rnrYjK)

Christmas Lights Are Going Back Up All Over the Country to Symbolize Hope

After I made this post I turned to my son Alex and said; "we should put up our "Hanukkah Bush" again. He agreed it was a good idea. And up it went.

It's a little 3 foot Christmas tree we bought at Target. Came with lights already strung (of course we added more). Growing up Jewish I was always envious of my non Jewish friends around Xmas time that had these big beautiful Christmas trees with all the lights and razzle dazzle. All we had was the Menorah. Very plain in comparison.

And it's working! The living room isn't as dark now and two of my stocks made big gains today.

Do something to add a little light or joy into your lives . . . do it NOW. The result is very calming.

[Crush]

The governor from California just announced that 56% of the people in California or 25 million people will get the coronavirus. Tell me that isn’t creating mass hysteria! that is ridiculous for a leader to be saying those types of things. What stats support that?

[Lee Stewart]

The governor from California just announced that 56% of the people in California or 25 million people will get the coronavirus. Tell me that isn’t creating mass hysteria! that is ridiculous for a leader to be saying those types of things. What stats support that?


California estimates that more than half of the state — 25.5 million people — will get the new coronavirus over the next eight weeks, according to a letter sent by Gov. Gavin Newsom to U.S. President Donald Trump.

“In the last 24 hours, we had 126 new COVID-19 cases, a 21 percent increase. In some parts of our state, our case rate is doubling every four days,” Newsom wrote in a letter dated Wednesday. Newsom asked Trump to dispatch the USNS Mercy Hospital Ship to the Port of Los Angeles through Sept. 1 to help with the influx of expected cases.

California like New York are no longer on a curve. It's literally a straight line pointed up - the number of new cases per day. This is happening because widespread testing is now available and revealing that more people have the virus then was thought to have. Due to community spread - people who have the virus coming in contact with others - is creating a domino affect. If left uncheck (not enforcing mandatory self quarantine and social distancing) it may definitely reach that 25.5 million number. That number is a worst cast scenario BTW. Also keep in mind that the government is about to open the federal coffers and states are going to want lots of money especially as our government is now in a giving/lending mode.

They are no longer worrying about the death rate. Today's concern is overwhelming our hospitals and medical systems along with shortages of respirators and medical supplies .

[Mr70]

Florida has got to be a state that will at least equal New York & California's case count,if not surpass it in the future.
The elder to younger ratio not to mention that attitude of those in charge like that of Clearwater.

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/XJyNhhmQ/BB11pzQu.jpg (https://postimages.cc/)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-will-radically-alter-the-us/ar-BB11pF6k?ocid=spartandhp#image=3

[Lee Stewart]

Florida has got to be a state that will at least equal New York & California's case count,if not surpass it in the future.
The elder to younger ratio not to mention that attitude of those in charge like that of Clearwater.

Today FL is number 5 with 432 cases. #1 is NY with 5706 and #2 is WA with 1376. CA is #3 with 1021.

Yes the population of FL is slanted towards 65+. But so is Arizona. FL is 20% while AZ is 17%. Not too much of a difference.

Those photos and videos from Clearwater were disturbing yes. And the governor has refused to close all the beaches (FL gets $40 billion a year from tourism) leaving it in the hands of local mayors and city councils.

Unfortunately, times of need and guidance can bring out the worst in leaders (DeSantis) as it can bring out the best (Cuomo).

The biggest issue with FL is not the number of it's cases but with the number of people that visit FL for a short time then leave and go back home.

[Lee Stewart]

California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order over coronavirus

LOS ANGELES, March 19 (Reuters) - California's governor on Thursday issued a statewide "stay at home order" directing residents to leave their homes only when necessary during the coronavirus pandemic.

Governor Gavin Newsom said that modeling has shown that 56 percent of California residents were expected to contract COVID-19 over the next eight weeks, requiring nearly 20,000 more hospital beds than the state could currently provide.

Newsom earlier on Thursday asked President Donald Trump to send a U.S. Navy hospital ship to the port of Los Angeles "immediately" as the state braces for the expected surge in the number of coronavirus cases.

He said Los Angeles, as the nation's second-largest city, would likely be "disproportionately impacted" by the pandemic in the coming weeks.

In a separate letter sent to U.S. congressional leaders, the governor asked for additional federal funding for unemployment insurance and social safety net programs and aid to small businesses, schools and universities.

[Lee Stewart]

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Not shown are all the school closures. That pretty much the same as everywhere else?

[Lee Stewart]

California Gov. Gavin Newsom orders all Californians to stay at home

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Thursday ordered all Californians to stay at home, marking the first mandatory restrictions placed on the lives of all 40 million residents in the state’s fight against the novel coronavirus.

The governor’s order comes at a critical time in California, where 19 people died and another 958 have tested positive for the disease.

Officials hope telling people to remain in their homes and restrict social interactions will slow the spread of the virus and ultimately prevent hospitals from being overrun with sick patients. The request for all residents to quarantine at home marks the strongest escalation of the Newsom administration’s response to the virus.

Newsom on Thursday also asked Congress for $1 billion in federal funds to support the state’s medical response to the novel coronavirus, which he said he expects will infect more than half of all Californians.

The state projects that 25.5 million people in California will be infected with the coronavirus over an eight-week period, Newsom said in a letter sent to President Donald Trump on Wednesday requesting the deployment of the U.S. Navy’s Mercy Hospital Ship to the Port of Los Angeles through Sept. 1.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-gov-gavin-newsom-orders-all-californians-to-stay-at-home/ar-BB11qBbf?ocid=spartandhp

[Vern B]

Makes you wonder how did it really start?

Anyone notice the arrest of the Harvard professor who
secretly set up the lab in Wuhan?

https://gizadeathstar.com/2020/02/wuhan-and-harvard-and-jeffrey/

[Lee Stewart]

French study finds anti-malarial and antibiotic combo could reduce COVID-19 duration

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/french-study-finds-anti-malarial-and-antibiotic-combo-could-reduce-covid-19-duration/

[32KZ]

Gov. Dewine is on top of things, trying. Fly your flags fellow Ohioans!

Getting in the shop and tinkering with the ride has a pretty calming effect also,,btw.

[70 copo]

The first signs are appearing that the panic is already projected to slow down. Major retail is beginning to announce that will not accept returns on high demand items moving forward. Right now Cosco is implementing this action in the Northeast, Texas and Illinois. I guess Retail does not want an entire parking lot stacked 6 feet high in returned stuff.

[Mr70]

Life finds a way.. :)

[Lee Stewart]

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[Lee Stewart]

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[Lee Stewart]

Fauci predicts Americans will likely need to stay home for at least several more weeks

WASHINGTON — Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Friday that Americans will most likely have to continue staying at home and practicing social distancing for “at least several weeks" amid the coronavirus outbreak.

“If you look at the trajectory of the curves of outbreaks and other areas, at least going to be several weeks,” Fauci said in an interview with Savannah Guthrie on the “TODAY” show.

“I cannot see that all of a sudden, next week or two weeks from now it's going to be over. I don't think there's a chance of that. I think it's going to be several weeks.”

When speaking about whether it’s time for President Donald Trump to use the Defense Production Act to produce critical supplies, Fauci suggested that the U.S. should be doing everything in its power to slow the outbreak.

“I think we should do everything we possibly can do. I mean, in all sectors, because obviously as I've said so many times, when you think you're maybe overreacting, you probably are not acting as forcefully as you should. So as we've always said, we've got to try very much to stay ahead of the curve.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fauci-predicts-americans-will-likely-need-to-stay-home-for-at-least-several-more-weeks/ar-BB11sJGU?ocid=spartandhp

[Lee Stewart]

New York Governor Mandates All Non-Essential Workers Stay Home

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/coronavirus-new-york-issues-stay-at-home-order-1285618?__twitter_impression=true

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/50B8rvpr/1rTwVFH.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[SBR]

^^ That is a very telling graph.

[Keith Seymore]

I've been practicing social distancing, with varying degrees of success, for about 40 years.

AKA "Engineers: keep doing what you are doing".

K

[Z15 SS 454]

I've been practicing social distancing, with varying degrees of success, for about 40 years.

K

Yup, After 26 years my Wife finally seems to understand this behavior now......

[BJCHEV396]

CNN....627 deaths in Italy past 24 hours.

[Lynn]

I hate to be the one to broach this subject, but at some point we must strike a balance between the cost of social distancing taken to the extreme vs. the cost of a certain percentage of the population getting sick; and yes, even dying.

I keep hearing the talking heads referring to every life as being priceless; and how we must take all the extreme measures even if it means saving one life. Frankly, that is not now, and never has been, reality; not in this Country, not any where in the world.

Before you dismiss me as a heartless bastard, let me give you just ONE example. On average we kill 37,000 (or thereabouts) people in highway accidents every year just in the U. S.. If we truly believed that every life was priceless, and that each life must be saved at all cost, the national speed limit would be around 30 mph, because very few people die in car accidents at that low of a speed. Let’s face it, that isn’t happening. There was enough of an outcry when we were at 55.

Then, you say, what about pedestrian accidents? Even at 30 mph, pedestrians get killed. Right you are. The solution? We build pedestrian bridges over every intersection in the U. S. to save those last few thousand lives. Also, not happening.

At some point we have to decide where to draw these lines. Different States have different needs right now. Some need more drastic measures than others. Just my opinion, but when they shut down all the restaurants in OKC, I believe that went overboard. There needs to be some room for personal choice. Some restaurants around here had already blocked off every other booth or table, to create distancing. Sherri and I went out to eat Tuesday evening after buying her new car. We weren’t within 20 feet of another patron. Currently, at last count, there were 46 known cases in Oklahoma, among almost 4 million residents. We are ALREADY social distancing.

Sadly, it appears the only opinions being espoused to those in charge are from those wanting the most drastic measures, always justified because “every life is priceless.” We need to evaluate the impact of those measures along with considering the consequences of no measures. Strike a balance. Look at Lee’s graphic. Assuming it is 100% accurate (and we really don’t know, because we haven’t been here before, but it seems quite reasonable) the return on investment is HUGE from 0% to 50% reduction, but not nearly as drastic for that next 25%. I don’t know where to draw the line. But I can guarantee you, I don’t want it at 100%.

Here is the kicker: If we plunge the entire WORLD into a depression as bad as the 1930's how many of those “priceless” live going to be lost then? I am just saying look at the REAL big picture. Let’s take reasonable measures, but don’t go overboard.

I mean no disrespect to those of you (or anyone for that matter) that believes the entire Country (and Canada as well, so maybe I should say the entire continent) should go on lock down. I think it is a huge mistake if we do.

[Lee Stewart]

Lynn:

It is not fair to make any comparisons to other stats. And BTW, you picked a miniscule one. How about: Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. And they still sell cigarettes right.

Stop looking at the mortality rate and concentrate on the rate of those people going into the hospital and those going into ICU. If CV-19 overwhelms our health care system, what about all the other people who need to be hospitalized or placed in ICU? Are doctors going to have to choose who lives and who dies?

Having your lifestyle disrupted so abruptly sucks. I understand that. It sucks for all of us. But it's the price we have to pay to get this pandemic stopped in it's tracks right away. We do not want a repeat of the 1918 Spanish Flu. 675,000 Americans died and we had a population that was more than 3X smaller than it is today. If CV-19 duplicated the Spanish Flu we would see well over 2 million people die here in the US.

It's important not to keep asking "when are we getting there?" This is a 1000 mile trip and we just passed mile marker 50.

[Lee Stewart]

Decided to take a short trip to get out of the house - headed for the highway to just cruise. On the way back I suggested to my son we make a stop at Walmart - head over to the meat area - if it's empty - just leave.

So off we went. Got to the meat aisle and again almost everything was sold out. Going to try to make meatloaf using turkey sausage instead of beef. When we were there my son lost it! Some big fat guy was just grabbing everything in site and my son grabbed the sign that said be thoughtful of others - only 2 per item are allowed. And he said in a loud voice; "hey a$$hole . . . can't you read?" Well the guy got all flustered, apologized and put back about 90% of the stuff he took. My son is almost 6' 2' And has this menacing look that he can put on. That's my boy!

[Crush]

I hate to be the one to broach this subject, but at some point we must strike a balance between the cost of social distancing taken to the extreme vs. the cost of a certain percentage of the population getting sick; and yes, even dying.

I keep hearing the talking heads referring to every life as being priceless; and how we must take all the extreme measures even if it means saving one life. Frankly, that is not now, and never has been, reality; not in this Country, not any where in the world.

Before you dismiss me as a heartless bastard, let me give you just ONE example. On average we kill 37,000 (or thereabouts) people in highway accidents every year just in the U. S.. If we truly believed that every life was priceless, and that each life must be saved at all cost, the national speed limit would be around 30 mph, because very few people die in car accidents at that low of a speed. Let’s face it, that isn’t happening. There was enough of an outcry when we were at 55.

Then, you say, what about pedestrian accidents? Even at 30 mph, pedestrians get killed. Right you are. The solution? We build pedestrian bridges over every intersection in the U. S. to save those last few thousand lives. Also, not happening.

At some point we have to decide where to draw these lines. Different States have different needs right now. Some need more drastic measures than others. Just my opinion, but when they shut down all the restaurants in OKC, I believe that went overboard. There needs to be some room for personal choice. Some restaurants around here had already blocked off every other booth or table, to create distancing. Sherri and I went out to eat Tuesday evening after buying her new car. We weren’t within 20 feet of another patron. Currently, at last count, there were 46 known cases in Oklahoma, among almost 4 million residents. We are ALREADY social distancing.

Sadly, it appears the only opinions being espoused to those in charge are from those wanting the most drastic measures, always justified because “every life is priceless.” We need to evaluate the impact of those measures along with considering the consequences of no measures. Strike a balance. Look at Lee’s graphic. Assuming it is 100% accurate (and we really don’t know, because we haven’t been here before, but it seems quite reasonable) the return on investment is HUGE from 0% to 50% reduction, but not nearly as drastic for that next 25%. I don’t know where to draw the line. But I can guarantee you, I don’t want it at 100%.

Here is the kicker: If we plunge the entire WORLD into a depression as bad as the 1930's how many of those “priceless” live going to be lost then? I am just saying look at the REAL big picture. Let’s take reasonable measures, but don’t go overboard.

I mean no disrespect to those of you (or anyone for that matter) that believes the entire Country (and Canada as well, so maybe I should say the entire continent) should go on lock down. I think it is a huge mistake if we do.

I totally agree with this but unfortunately common sense, that’s what your logic is, may be long gone.
I might add that as the hysteria rises people get more and more desperate. I won’t go into detail what that desperation could lead to but it could lead to way more lives lost.

[markinnaples]

For better or worse, I agree with Lynn and Crush. Shutting down an entire society, IMHO, will do more harm than good. I am all for those who are more susceptible or already compromised from a health standpoint to be quarantined, but for the vast majority of population, being smart and not taking any undue risk will allow for the economy to continue and not allow us to plunge into a recession if not a depression. Just my thoughts.

[Lee Stewart]

For better or worse, I agree with Lynn and Crush. Shutting down an entire society, IMHO, will do more harm than good. I am all for those who are more susceptible or already compromised from a health standpoint to be quarantined, but for the vast majority of population, being smart and not taking any undue risk will allow for the economy to continue and not allow us to plunge into a recession if not a depression. Just my thoughts.

Guess you didn't see this:

https://i.postimg.cc/50B8rvpr/1rTwVFH.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[BJCHEV396]

A Chinese official was in Italy and said Italians are not obeying the lockdown and that is why the virus is devastating Italy.You might see lockdown orders in North America.Will we obey it?

[Lee Stewart]

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Posted this today at 12:35 AM NM time on another forum.

[Lee Stewart]

A Chinese official was in Italy and said Italians are not obeying the lockdown and that is why the virus is devastating Italy.You might see lockdown orders in North America.Will we obey it?

When hospitals begin turning away all patients (that includes setting up tent style triages in the parking lots) because they are full and people are dying by the thousands maybe then people will take it seriously. Of course by then it will be too late. They will be using garbage trucks to pickup the corpses there will be so many.

How's that for Fear Mongering?

We survived the 1918 Spanish Flu. We survived The Great Depression. We survived WWII. We survived The Great Recession (with the H1N1 epidemic stuck in that time frame). And we will survive The Great Lockdown. And each time we survived we became stronger. Maybe it is time to "thin the herd." You can apply that to any demographic you like.

[SBR]

A Chinese official was in Italy and said Italians are not obeying the lockdown and that is why the virus is devastating Italy.You might see lockdown orders in North America.Will we obey it?

One look at the spring break pics makes me believe the answer is no. The curve on the US looks almost like Italys. Not good.

[Lee Stewart]

One look at the spring break pics makes me believe the answer is no. The curve on the US looks almost like Italys. Not good.

And DeSantis (governor of FL) STILL will not order all FL beaches closed other than in Broward and Palm Beach counties. He has left it to local governments to make their own decisions. So what happened? Panama City says they are open for business! All beaches open! All restaurants and nightly entertainment open! Come to Panama City!

[BJCHEV396]

Unbelievable.

[Tabu]

Alright Lee,

I simply posted a factual report form the CDC here. You proceeded to snap shot a post I made in the previous thread on this topic and you called me out.

I answered your question Now you simply troll me and move the goal posts.

Ok Lee, you already apologized in the last thread for fear mongering. I could screen shot and post your apology and sudden exit from the previous thread on this topic but I will not.

So you need even more clarification.

Part#1

Why do I think the pandemic will be gone in 60 days? Simple. If you believe the Chinese, they have already returned to full production after the outbreak there and 60 days ago the country was literally on fire with the illness.

If they can do it why in the world would anyone think North America cannot?
I don’t think Lee is fear mongering. Hell, just turn your television on. There’s plenty of that on there. I think Lee is stating facts. Everything that you have stated about the subject, if you read the second or third sentence, you contradict yourself from what you stated in the first sentence.

Pandemic gone in 60 days? Really?? I believe common sense would tell you it’s not going to be over in 60 days. Kudos though for wishful thinking.

If the Chinese have returned to full production after the outbreak why can’t North America? Well, ummm, has the Chinese returned to full production? If we believe what China says, that’s our first mistake, but as to why (if the Chinese have returned to full production as you say) North America will not?? Lack of common sense, that’s why. North America is stalling on total lockdowns across the States and I don’t see the US spraying everything down with bleach as we have seen China do. Actually, all I see is people running around like it’s a normal day, accept for school closings, other closings, oh and the toilet paper shortage. I don’t see a a lot of social distancing going on, but we’ll get there eventually. A little later than most countries, but trust me, we’ll get there after more lives are lost.

Lastly, it appears that you are claiming to state facts that nobody in this whole world seems to know BUT YOU and the fact that you want to argue with people that are clearly stating facts as we know them, as to what we’re being told, is ridiculous. Yes, sincerely much thanks to Lee for doing exactly that.

This world is not getting any better any time soon. It’s time we stand up and work together instead of against each other. I’m afraid that this coronavirus is going to be a huge wake up call to people just like you and others. Unfortunately, a much needed one.

AND one thing that I have learned in my lifetime, “There are those that appear to be much more intelligent when they say nothing at all 70copo!”

Many prayers to you and everyone else during this time. Stay safe!!

[Lee Stewart]

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[Lynn]

Lynn:

It is not fair to make any comparisons to other stats. And BTW, you picked a miniscule one. How about: Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. And they still sell cigarettes right.

Stop looking at the mortality rate and concentrate on the rate of those people going into the hospital and those going into ICU. If CV-19 overwhelms our health care system, what about all the other people who need to be hospitalized or placed in ICU? Are doctors going to have to choose who lives and who dies?

Having your lifestyle disrupted so abruptly sucks. I understand that. It sucks for all of us. But it's the price we have to pay to get this pandemic stopped in it's tracks right away. We do not want a repeat of the 1918 Spanish Flu. 675,000 Americans died and we had a population that was more than 3X smaller than it is today. If CV-19 duplicated the Spanish Flu we would see well over 2 million people die here in the US.

It's important not to keep asking "when are we getting there?" This is a 1000 mile trip and we just passed mile marker 50.

Lee:
First off, I don't know that I disagree with any fact you have stated. Secondly, I did not say anything about mortality rates related to COVID-19. And you are correct, I specifically stated that I was only going to mention ONE (in all caps) comparison; and that one is miniscule. I figured the post was long enough without trying to list EVERYTHING we trade for human life and health. There is no direct comparison. I was siimply stating that as a society, we make trade offs for human life and health every day. We just don't THINK about it every day. And we don't want to discuss it, because we don't want to feel that cold. I fully agree with you about cigarettes; but that is a whole other debate for another time.

I am just saying we need to balance things. Let's say you are correct, and we are only 1/20th into this, with nothing to look forward to for another 19 months (apologize if you had a different period of time targeted for your 50 mile mark... but I really don't know) but more of shutting everything down until the whole country is on lock down. Personally, I believe 19 months of lockdown will create more havoc than the havoc it prevented.

I don't have a crystal ball. Is Phil correct when he says it all blows over in 60 days? I don't know. Are you correct in stating we are only 1/20th of the way through? I don't know. You guys both have a right to your opinions. I hope and pray Phil is closer to the mark than you. Just because I WANT it to work out that way doesn't mean it will.

[Steve Shauger]

Let's hope the Singapore and South Korea model and measure which have produced amazing results are replicated everywhere so we drastically shorten and lessen the effects and devastation. My glass is half full.

[Crush]

Lee:
First off, I don't know that I disagree with any fact you have stated. Secondly, I did not say anything about mortality rates related to COVID-19. And you are correct, I specifically stated that I was only going to mention ONE (in all caps) comparison; and that one is miniscule. I figured the post was long enough without trying to list EVERYTHING we trade for human life and health. There is no direct comparison. I was siimply stating that as a society, we make trade offs for human life and health every day. We just don't THINK about it every day. And we don't want to discuss it, because we don't want to feel that cold. I fully agree with you about cigarettes; but that is a whole other debate for another time.

I am just saying we need to balance things. Let's say you are correct, and we are only 1/20th into this, with nothing to look forward to for another 19 months (apologize if you had a different period of time targeted for your 50 mile mark... but I really don't know) but more of shutting everything down until the whole country is on lock down. Personally, I believe 19 months of lockdown will create more havoc than the havoc it prevented.

I don't have a crystal ball. Is Phil correct when he says it all blows over in 60 days? I don't know. Are you correct in stating we are only 1/20th of the way through? I don't know. You guys both have a right to your opinions. I hope and pray Phil is closer to the mark than you. Just because I WANT it to work out that way doesn't mean it will.

Lynn
When I read your posts I hear a view that has less panic and hysteria in it. We need more of this at every level. The more we use statistics as a weapon to create panic and major uncertainty that is a failure to properly communicate. I do believe in reality to the degree it doesn’t lead to speculation or a stretching of reality. It is clear around the country that we are starting to compete against each other instead of working together by using different forms of data on both sides.
I believe It starts with each of us having a conversation that lends itself toward the future while being realistic as to where we are at and provide reasonable solutions which by the way won’t make EVERYOne happy. We need to think about the majority however harsh that sounds.
I received a panic text today that the number of cases has doubled. I told this person well that makes sense because we are testing more, right? Should I see it that way or sound the alarm there are more reported cases?There will be more cases.

I heard today that next week will be bad for the economy because there will be more people filing for unemployment at record levels. For me that makes sense because business are shut down for others this adds to the panic and hysteria . So what should WE do? Where is the balance?

[Lynn]

I agree Steve; as opposed to Italy, where they apparently had a perfect storm for this.

With only about 60% as many cases as in China, the actual number of deaths EXCEED those in China by about 800. Not doing something right.

[Lee Stewart]

Lee:
First off, I don't know that I disagree with any fact you have stated. Secondly, I did not say anything about mortality rates related to COVID-19. And you are correct, I specifically stated that I was only going to mention ONE (in all caps) comparison; and that one is miniscule. I figured the post was long enough without trying to list EVERYTHING we trade for human life and health. There is no direct comparison. I was siimply stating that as a society, we make trade offs for human life and health every day. We just don't THINK about it every day. And we don't want to discuss it, because we don't want to feel that cold. I fully agree with you about cigarettes; but that is a whole other debate for another time.

I choose to get in my car or light up a cigarette. It's my choice alone. I have to accept the responsibility that I might be doing something risky both to my health and my life. Now let's expand that . . . I just walked out of a bar having had 6 hard liquor drinks (BTW - I don't drink at all). I am legally drunk. I tell myself I am OK to drive home. This is a direct comparison to the CV19 pandemic lockdown. I am acting irresponsible. I am not caring about anyone else but me. What I should do (call a taxi or friend) and what I am going to do (drive legally drunk) are two different things. It's as obvious as the nose on our faces which is the right decision.

I am just saying we need to balance things. Let's say you are correct, and we are only 1/20th into this, with nothing to look forward to for another 19 months (apologize if you had a different period of time targeted for your 50 mile mark... but I really don't know) but more of shutting everything down until the whole country is on lock down. Personally, I believe 19 months of lockdown will create more havoc than the havoc it prevented.

We are just getting started on our 1000 mile trip. We are still in first gear. We are crawling along because we can't get enough people tested. The more people that get tested the faster we can shift in to 2nd, 3rd, 4th 5th and 6th. What is scaring everyone and I mean everyone . . . the CDC, WHO, the president, the public, the stock market . . . is the unknown. There are so many things about CV19 that we don't know.

The experts tell us we have no antivirals nor vaccine for CV19. The only way we can stop it is self quarantine. Some people have it and they don't even realize it because they are young and healthy. I am terrified to go out of my home into a public place. I am almost 69 and I have Lymphoma. If I get CV19 I am dead. No question about that.

I don't have a crystal ball. Is Phil correct when he says it all blows over in 60 days? I don't know. Are you correct in stating we are only 1/20th of the way through? I don't know. You guys both have a right to your opinions. I hope and pray Phil is closer to the mark than you. Just because I WANT it to work out that way doesn't mean it will.

I think we are both right. In 60 days we will know pretty much everything there is to know about CV19. This is not a USA problem. This is a WORLD problem. There are literally millions of the best people in medical science working on getting us answers so we know what to do, what we can use to treat CV19 until we get a vaccine which takes 12 months at the earliest.

If the news or the internet is upsetting then shut them off. Go do something else. Like Steve did - go for a ride in your car. Do SOMETHING that you enjoy and will make you happy.

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/d0kDZ71D/screenshot-7745.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Lee Stewart]

Coronavirus in N.Y.: ‘Deluge’ of Cases Begins Hitting Hospitals

New York State’s long-feared surge of coronavirus cases has begun, thrusting the medical system toward a crisis point.

In a startlingly quick ascent, officials reported on Friday that the state was closing in on 8,000 positive tests, about half the cases in the country. The number was 10 times higher than what was reported earlier in the week.

In the Bronx, doctors at Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center say they have only a few remaining ventilators for patients who need them to breathe. In Brooklyn, doctors at Kings County Hospital Center say they are so low on supplies that they are reusing masks for up to a week, slathering them with hand sanitizer between shifts.

Some of the jump in New York’s cases can be traced to significantly increased testing, which the state began this week. But the escalation, and the response, could offer other states a glimpse of what might be in store if the virus continues to spread. Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo on Friday urged residents to stay indoors and ordered nonessential businesses to keep workers home.

State officials have projected that the number of coronavirus cases in New York will peak in early May. Both the governor and Mayor Bill de Blasio have used wartime metaphors and analogies to paint a grim picture of what to expect. Officials have said the state would need to double its available hospital beds to 100,000 and could be short as many as 25,000 ventilators.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-in-ny-deluge-of-cases-begins-hitting-hospitals/ar-BB11tKpb?ocid=spartandhp

[Lynn]

Crush said: "So what should WE do? Where is the balance?"

I am not a health care expert, nor am I an economics expert. I just believe the economists (and one of my best friends is an economist) should be involved in the discussions.

I live in a small town; Guthrie (population 10,000). I office in a larger town, but still relatively small; Edmond (80,000).

Tuesday evening both City Councils met. My economist friend is on the Edmond City Council. His personal belief was that it would be a mistake to forcibly shut down the restaurants. He thought they should just scale back, take extra precautions, serve less patrons. However, there was virtually no support from the community for that position. His words to me: "I am not going to the mat for them, if they aren't going to express that preference." And they didn't. Edmond voted to shut them down, following the Oklahoma City model.
Guthrie voted to leave them open and let the public decide if they want to eat out.
BTW, the Oklahoma City model was to close all restaurants, excpet for take out or drive up service.
Guthrie has no mandatory shut down for retail. But, the local WalMart is closing each evening at 8:30 instead of being open 24 hours.

Completely shutting down factories is also overkill. Sherri and I are living life as usual for the most part OTHER THAN TAKING EXTRA CLEANING PRECAUTIONS, NOT SHAKING HANDS WITH ANYONE, AND KEEPING OUR DISTANCE. However, we monitor our temeratures every morning. If we see a spike, we are staying home. Our 25 year old came to the office to see us today. He is a bartender, and currently laid off. He is also a kidney transplant patient, and therefore more susceptible to infection. We normally hug. Today, he stayed on the other side of the room and got an "air high five". He has been trained (and actually does it) to wash his hands multiple times a day.

We had multiple clients in the office today, and I have four appointments on Monday; all have confirmed they still want to come in. We make no contact. Clients also get the "air high five". When I give them a pen for signing docs, I break open a brand new wrapped pen, squeeze it out the end, so that I never touch it. I wash my hands after every appointment, even though I have not touched a soul. Sherri washes down and sanatizes the conference table (fortunately it is glass) after every appointment.

My son in law is also a kidney transplant patient, only two years removed from surgery (on another note, I am probably the only guy in town whose wife AND daughter are both kidney donors; Sherri to Zack, our 25 year old, and my daughter Jenny, to her husband). We normally get together every two weeks for a family dinner. My son in law will skip this Thursday, just because he is comrpomised. We also have a family dinner rule: if you are sick, don't come. Send us all a text telling us you love us and miss us. That isn't anything new. We ALWAYS encourage them to stay home if sick.

These are just my personal choices. Common sense, and take extra precautions. Sherri and I went to WalMart today. I was actively looking and making certain I did not get close to anyone. We waited 10 feet away for the lady in front of us to finish checking out. We wiped down the handle on the cart before we used it. We wiped down again after leaving the check out area (self check). By far, the most likely way you are going to be infected is from breathing minute particles from someone elses cough, sneeeze, or if you are close enough, just breathing. Yes, you can get it just from touching an infected surface, but most viruses don't live long away from a host.

We also went into a local bank today. I normally don't use the handicap button to open the door, but I did today. I didn't even touch that with my hand. I used my elbow. One teller had on a mask. Our teller had on latex gloves. After transacting our business, we sanatized. BTW, I was in a hurry to get another $1000 paid to each of my grandsons, so we could quickly add $1000 to each of their Roth IRAs. Not a lot, but wanted to get into the market during the bargain days; which we will do Monday. $1000 isn't much, but they are only 7, and we estimate that each $1000 will grow to over $365,000 in 60 years. Off topic, I know.

Someone made the comment that it is time we all work together, instead of arguing. Maybe that would be a great topic for another thread. Covid-19 survival suggestions for those not ready to panic and shut the Country down.

This is likely to have typos galore. I didn't proof it.

Have a great weekend. My shoulder is well enough that I plan to do some work down at the shop and piddle on some of my beater cars.

[Lee Stewart]

Over 60? Here are the 30 Worst Coronavirus Mistakes

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/over-60-here-are-the-30-worst-coronavirus-mistakes/ss-BB11sZxa?ocid=spartandhp

It's a slide show. Just let the page full load then it the FULL SCREEN button

[70 copo]

I don’t think Lee is fear mongering. Hell, just turn your television on. There’s plenty of that on there. I think Lee is stating facts. Everything that you have stated about the subject, if you read the second or third sentence, you contradict yourself from what you stated in the first sentence.

Pandemic gone in 60 days? Really?? I believe common sense would tell you it’s not going to be over in 60 days. Kudos though for wishful thinking.

If the Chinese have returned to full production after the outbreak why can’t North America? Well, ummm, has the Chinese returned to full production? If we believe what China says, that’s our first mistake, but as to why (if the Chinese have returned to full production as you say) North America will not?? Lack of common sense, that’s why. North America is stalling on total lockdowns across the States and I don’t see the US spraying everything down with bleach as we have seen China do. Actually, all I see is people running around like it’s a normal day, accept for school closings, other closings, oh and the toilet paper shortage. I don’t see a a lot of social distancing going on, but we’ll get there eventually. A little later than most countries, but trust me, we’ll get there after more lives are lost.

Lastly, it appears that you are claiming to state facts that nobody in this whole world seems to know BUT YOU and the fact that you want to argue with people that are clearly stating facts as we know them, as to what we’re being told, is ridiculous. Yes, sincerely much thanks to Lee for doing exactly that.

This world is not getting any better any time soon. It’s time we stand up and work together instead of against each other. I’m afraid that this coronavirus is going to be a huge wake up call to people just like you and others. Unfortunately, a much needed one.

AND one thing that I have learned in my lifetime, “There are those that appear to be much more intelligent when they say nothing at all 70copo!”

Many prayers to you and everyone else during this time. Stay safe!!

Tabu, Please read this. Read it carefully I want you to understand it.

Please pick Anything I have said on this topic in either thread and tell me why in the world I am not aloud to participate in the forum? Is that not what you are saying? Sure Looks like it to me.

Your statement pertaining to me as follows "Lastly, it appears that you are claiming to state facts that nobody in this whole world seems to know BUT YOU and the fact that you want to argue with people that are clearly stating facts as we know them, as to what we’re being told, is ridiculous" could be spoken about and applied to any of the participants who have participated in any way as everyone has an opinion, some more informed than others.


On to specifics: So Tabu:

When and where did I say the Pandemic would be gone? I never said that.

You need not say Lee was Fear mongering either as Lee made that admission all by himself at post 224 in the old thread and already apologized for it so the matter is a material fact.

Now back to your main point. "Pandemic gone in 60 days? Really??" that appears to be your summation of my previous assertion that This thing will "blow over" (those are my specific words) To me means people go back to work, church, and restaurants and life.

That does not mean the virus is gone. Saying it will be gone is silly. Hopefully we will have learned to manage it as a society by then and we can get our economy back as well at that time and most importantly understand the true lethality which will help quell the main driver of the fear and panic we are now experiencing.

What irritates me to no end however is the re posting over and over of material from external sources which serve little purpose to the topic and just expands the already stretched fear envelope and encourages people to debate and often disagree. I believe Steve told people to stop posting that kind of material here in this thread at post #23.

In conclusion I do believe your "dredge up" of parts of my previous participation may actually be an attempt to solicit a reply from me that will be then attempted to be portrayed in other replies by other participants here-as "petty and argumentative" in other words a platform to "stir the pot" and cause additional personal attacks to occur.

I hope I am wrong.

[BJCHEV396]

75 million Americans,4 States,ordered to stay home.CNN.

[Steve Shauger]

Well my daughter, son- in law are teachers and have been home with the kids for the last week. The whole family is sick, and the girls were horsing around and the middle child bumped her chin and really cut her tongue.
My granddaughter knows I'm a softy, so this morning I stopped a picked up two dozen ice pops and three large yogurt containers, and dropped it off like I was at a drive through window. They opened their front window and handed them the supplies. I'm the hero in their eyes.... like all grand parents��


Everyone is feeling different levels of anxiety. Do what you can to turn that into something useful. Many restaurants are sending food to hospital staff, several beer and moonshine distilleries are converting to producing sanitizing chemicals, give blood. We all need to be compliant with federal and state mandates so we can eradicate this virus in the most effective and efficient way possible.


Just like in forecasting storms there are many models and we won't know which is correct until we look back.


Keep yourself busy, productive and helping others always works for me. Watching the endless # of pundit on TV is somewhat counterproductive. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but let's not beat a dead horse... no one has a crystal ball. But most here own muscle cars, start wrenching, driving them. For me it's a great stress reliever.




Pic 1 youngest upset because no yogurt
Pic 2 Pop to the rescue handing supplies through the window
Pic 3 Life is wonderful and her tongue feels great
Pic 4 Happy to have yogurt


Wish life was that simple.... maybe there's a lesson to be learned

[Lee Stewart]

Now back to your main point. "Pandemic gone in 60 days? Really??" that appears to be your summation of my previous assertion that This thing will "blow over" (those are my specific words) To me means people go back to work, church, and restaurants and life.

That does not mean the virus is gone. Saying it will be gone is silly. Hopefully we will have learned to manage it as a society by then and we can get our economy back as well at that time and most importantly understand the true lethality which will help quell the main driver of the fear and panic we are now experiencing.

Please explain to us to 70 copo how we are supposed to do the things you say we should be able to do: "people go back to work, church, and restaurants and life." without having antivirals or a vaccine? How can we possibly test the entire population of adults in the USA? Because that is the only way to do what you say could come true.

We separate those that test positive (self quarantine) and those that test negative (free to continue their lives). Of course those that test positive now put a massive strain on society. They either get well at home or they wind up in the hospital and the hospitals are a combination of positive and negative tested people. We could start the whole thing all over again.

This is what I really wanted to avoid . . . . . speculation. You really can't argue with proven facts. But it's so easy to get into an argument when the subject is speculation.

I have been posting articles and graphs which I hope are educating people as to the severity of the CV19 pandemic. Of course some of those articles will use sensationalism - I have no control over that. But I feel the members here are savvy enough to separate the facts from the sensationalistic use of words like "lockdown" instead of "self quarantine."

If anyone thinks I am overstepping the bounds set up by Steve, then tell him and HE will PM me and tell me to stop.

[70 copo]

Please explain to us to 70 copo how we are supposed to do the things you say we should be able to do: "people go back to work, church, and restaurants and life." without having antivirals or a vaccine? How can we possibly test the entire population of adults in the USA? Because that is the only way to do what you say could come true.

We separate those that test positive (self quarantine) and those that test negative (free to continue their lives). Of course those that test positive now put a massive strain on society. They either get well at home or they wind up in the hospital and the hospitals are a combination of positive and negative tested people. We could start the whole thing all over again.

This is what I really wanted to avoid . . . . . speculation. You really can't argue with proven facts. But it's so easy to get into an argument when the subject is speculation.

I have been posting articles and graphs which I hope are educating people as to the severity of the CV19 pandemic. Of course some of those articles will use sensationalism - I have no control over that. But I feel the members here are savvy enough to separate the facts from the sensationalistic use of words like "lockdown" instead of "self quarantine."

If anyone thinks I am overstepping the bounds set up by Steve, then tell him and HE will PM me and tell me to stop.


Lee,

I do not want to continue this.

In less than 2 months however we will better know how this whole emergency resolves. Let’s agree to disagree and move on.

[70 copo]

Excellent. Unless Tabu replies we are back to regularly scheduled healthy debate and respectful sharing of opinions

[Xplantdad]

Wow...I didn't think that this would turn into a ten page thread. I posted what I did as I am concerned for my daughter who is immune compromised-and could very well end up very sick if she were to get this virus.


We're heeding what the docs and the government have said about trying to stay safe. I think it boils down to common sense....and respect and decency for your fellow citizens.


Maybe it's just me-but I think that this thread may have run it's course...:beers:

[Lynn]

Over 60? Here are the 30 Worst Coronavirus Mistakes

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/over-60-here-are-the-30-worst-coronavirus-mistakes/ss-BB11sZxa?ocid=spartandhp

It's a slide show. Just let the page full load then it the FULL SCREEN button

All great suggestions Lee. Maybe except for #24.

[70 copo]

Agreed

[Lynn]

Bruce: Just me, but I think if we can continue to offer suggestions that will help minimize the impact, I am all for keeping it open.

Yes, there are issues we will just have to disagree on.

We are all still on the same side.

JMHO.

[BJCHEV396]

I'm done.Stay safe guys.All the best to you and yours.There are no borders on this.We're all in it together. Cheers,Bill.

[Lee Stewart]

NIH director: 70K coronavirus cases could be confirmed in US by end of next week

As many as 70,000 Americans could be confirmed as infected with coronavirus by the end of next week, marking a “pretty dramatic” increase in the number of confirmed cases, the director of the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Francis Collins, told his employees in an agency-wide conference call on Friday.

But, Collins cautioned, “that doesn’t mean necessarily that the outbreak has exploded at an even more rapid rate.”

“It just means we’re now able to find out who’s out there, who is infected,” because “testing is now going to be much more available across the country,” he said.

As director of NIH, Collins oversees the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, whose own director, Dr. Anthony Fauci, has become a trusted authority during the coronavirus crisis.

According to Collins, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases inside the United States currently stands at about 14,000, and, “We will probably see four, five times that number of cases a week or 10 days from now."

Johns Hopkins University reports an even higher number of currently confirmed cases in the United States, nearing 17,000. An estimated 225 Americans have died.

"When will we be out the other side of this?” Collins asked rhetorically on the Friday call. “I have no crystal ball. ... Will we be back [to normal] by July or August or September? I have no idea."

Collins made clear that “social distancing” is vital to stemming the spread of the deadly disease, even as he derided the popular phrase.


“The greatest concern we should all have is for those most vulnerable, who if they get infected could be in real trouble,” he said. “The best thing we could do to prevent that is to not be a vector ourselves, and the best way to not be a vector is to get apart [from each other].”

"We are going to have to be in this for the long haul,” warned Collins, who noted that tens of thousands of NIH employees may have been joining his discussion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nih-director-70k-coronavirus-cases-could-be-confirmed-in-us-by-end-of-next-week/ar-BB11tEhq?ocid=spartandhp

[SBR]

I agree Steve; as opposed to Italy, where they apparently had a perfect storm for this.

With only about 60% as many cases as in China, the actual number of deaths EXCEED those in China by about 800. Not doing something right.

My guess is that the numbers quoted by China are no where near accurate.

[Lynn]

My guess is that the numbers quoted by China are no where near accurate.

You may be right about that. Still, Italy seems to be way worse than everywhere else, at least when it comes to mortality rate.

[Lee Stewart]

Former CDC director: There's a long war ahead and our Covid-19 response must adapt

(CNN)Different times call for different measures. When Covid-19 hit China, I was concerned, as were many public health professionals, about what could happen and urged rapid action to understand more and prepare. But few of us anticipated the catastrophic impact the new virus has had in Wuhan, in Italy and may soon have in many other places.

For most people, there is simply no frame of reference for this pandemic. Never in our lifetime has there been an infectious disease threat as devastating to society. Never in our lifetime have we seen a rich country like Italy face the need to ration respirators. And never have we seen the fear that millions of health care workers around the world feel about being infected by the virus -- justified fear we must address.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-response-must-adapt-frieden-analysis/index.html

WARNING: This is a very "in your face" article that is not going to make you feel better. It comes from an expert.

[Lee Stewart]

You may be right about that. Still, Italy seems to be way worse than everywhere else, at least when it comes to mortality rate.

Italy just called out the military to enforce the lockdown

EDIT: Lombardy the epicenter of the epidemic is where 100 soldiers will help enforce the lockdown, not all of Italy as my statement alludes to.

[Woj]

Great discussion gents. Too many unknowns to predict where this will go and how long it will last. So many varying opinions on the lethality and contagiousness of this disease. As previously mentioned, we can only take care of ourselves and our families. Many things, including disease, kill Americans everyday in large numbers. The press is bashing the gov’t for lack of medical supplies and equipment. No one builds a church for Easter Sunday, and the same can be said for the medical world and its supply chain. We are all playing the hands we are dealt and hope that our elected representatives make good decisions. Hopefully we will be surprised that these extreme measures pay off in the end.

On a lighter note, check out this George Carlin comedy routine regarding germs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo&list=RDX29lF43mUlo&index=1

Phil

[70 copo]

:naughty:

[Tabu2]

Tabu, Please read this. Read it carefully I want you to understand it.

Please pick Anything I have said on this topic in either thread and tell me why in the world I am not aloud to participate in the forum? Is that not what you are saying? Sure Looks like it to me.

Your statement pertaining to me as follows "Lastly, it appears that you are claiming to state facts that nobody in this whole world seems to know BUT YOU and the fact that you want to argue with people that are clearly stating facts as we know them, as to what we’re being told, is ridiculous" could be spoken about and applied to any of the participants who have participated in any way as everyone has an opinion, some more informed than others.


On to specifics: So Tabu:

When and where did I say the Pandemic would be gone? I never said that.

You need not say Lee was Fear mongering either as Lee made that admission all by himself at post 224 in the old thread and already apologized for it so the matter is a material fact.

Now back to your main point. "Pandemic gone in 60 days? Really??" that appears to be your summation of my previous assertion that This thing will "blow over" (those are my specific words) To me means people go back to work, church, and restaurants and life.

That does not mean the virus is gone. Saying it will be gone is silly. Hopefully we will have learned to manage it as a society by then and we can get our economy back as well at that time and most importantly understand the true lethality which will help quell the main driver of the fear and panic we are now experiencing.

What irritates me to no end however is the re posting over and over of material from external sources which serve little purpose to the topic and just expands the already stretched fear envelope and encourages people to debate and often disagree. I believe Steve told people to stop posting that kind of material here in this thread at post #23.

In conclusion I do believe your "dredge up" of parts of my previous participation may actually be an attempt to solicit a reply from me that will be then attempted to be portrayed in other replies by other participants here-as "petty and argumentative" in other words a platform to "stir the pot" and cause additional personal attacks to occur.

I hope I am wrong.
My apologies. I responded earlier and when I sent it through, it kicked me out for some reason, hence the new user name instead of Tabu.

70copo, I read your response carefully, but still do not fully understand.

I never once stated that you were not allowed to participate in this forum. I don’t have that right, nor would I ever tell anybody that they are or are not allowed to do anything on this forum. I believe that would be up to the administrators and moderators. Not me. Once again it seems you’re are confused on your information.

Me stating “Lastly, it appears that you are claiming to state facts that nobody in this whole world seems to know but you and the fact that you want to argue with people that are clearly stating facts as we know them, as to what we’re being told” you stated that this could be spoken about and applied to any of the participants that have participated in any way as everyone has an opinion, some more informed than others. I totally agree that everyone has their opinion, as everyone should. What I don’t agree with is there are some on here more informed than others. I personally don’t think anybody on here is more informed with the information that we’ve been given. Nobody knows what is really going on at this point. At least nobody on this forum. Myself included.

I never specifically even said Lee was fear mongering. Even if he is, that his business and rightfully so. I’m aware by your post that he apologized and your willingness to send a
snap shot of it for people to view. I mean seriously, with everything going on, does anybody think that is important at this point that you show others an apology of another forum member who by my thoughts was probably not even warranted. If he did apologize, that says a lot about his character. Not important enough for everybody else to view the apology unless of course that makes you feel better for some reason.

Panademic gone in 60 days, you claim that appears to be my summation of your previous assertion, but you say now ‘blow over”. Saying it will be gone would be silly? Agreed. It won’t be gone in 60 days, nor will it be blown over. We have the stock market, businesses, jobs, etc., and people losing their life or the life/life’s of loved ones. What’s going to be blown over with all of that within 60 days? I’m not arguing. There’s nothing wrong with being hopeful but we all have to face reality sooner or later. But as far as my summation of your words, two words that don’t come to mind is concise and precise. Sorry, just my opinion, which don’t really matter.

People have every reason to be in fear and panic. Once again we’re talking about life’s and maybe even world change, which we’re currently experiencing somewhat to a degree already, at least more than most of us have ever seen in our lifetime.

I truly am sorry that you’re irritated to no end over the reposting of material from external sources. Some people really enjoy yenko.net and maybe they feel more comfortable coming to yenko.net to discuss it with friends and or acquaintances. Honestly if you’re that irritated you should stop coming on here reading it. If I go somewhere and don’t like what’s being posted, i tend to move on.

What should be irritating is someone posting that a UV light can kill the virus in 2 seconds. Can you imagine somebody reading that that was suffering with this virus or one of their loved ones and ran out to buy a UV light? False hope sucks.. Somebody came in and asked you if that was true and you came back and said it was a myth. When you published that statement, I didn’t see you ask it as a true or false question. How can anybody take you seriously? If you wanted to help, why didn’t you explain in detail what a sauna could do for a virus? Something useful. If you want to talk alternative medicine or TABU medicine, we can talk all night.

I’m not trying to stir any pot on this forum. And I don't think I’m being petty. I just don't like bullying. I just don't like people stating facts as a fact that they have no way of knowing. Opinions are different. I do like people stating what we know and the majority of that comes from the news unfortunatley and I personally don't believe 98% of the news, but right now that’s all we got and the dedication of somebody who is kind enough to come on this forum and post it for us. He’s not doing it to hurt anybody, I can assure you. I know numerous people that truly enjoy Lee’s tidbits and facts that he’s been posting for a long time and I think there’s nothing wrong with trying to keep all the same people informed of something so serious.

Trust me, I’m not trying to dredge anything up on you. The whole point is we need to stand together, not against each other. When and if a lockdown comes, people will have a lot of time to sit and reflect on this and many more things. Just a wake up call. Some people will learn and some already know. Also there are some that just can’t face the reality of it all.

I’m not stirring the pot, in fact I’m actually trying to do the opposite. Hopefully you will realize we’re on the same team. If not, you totally missed the boat. I truly wish the best for you and your family as I do everyone. If this causes people to cause personal attacks on me, I can handle it. I’m prepared for a lot worse than that. In fact there’s way more important things for you and I both to be worried about. If I have at any point caused someone to make any kind of personal attack on you, I apologize and you can screen shot that too.

And seriously, just read Steve’s post. Much more important or serious than anything you or I have to say at this point. Prayers to you and your family Steve. Sorry for you having to go through all this with your family.

And who knows 70copo, we could very possibly be best friends one day. I truly am not trying to cause any trouble for you and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. You have your opinion and I have mine. Yours may not be right or wrong, and the same goes for me.

[70 copo]

Fantastic. We are all good now. Back to regularly scheduled programming then.

At the rate this thread is going I may just participate by posting Memes.:beers:

[parkbrau]

:haha: I agree.

[Lee Stewart]

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[Lee Stewart]

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[SBR]

I found this, perhaps a ray of hope?
https://www.globalhealthnow.org/2020-03/covid-19s-stop-gap-solution-until-vaccines-and-antivirals-are-ready

[70 copo]

SBR,

Good info!

The following info is a bit sketchy because it is still early - but countries that have experienced Malaria outbreaks in the past are currently pretty much negative for the COVID-19

If this holds then this builds a strong case for population immunity based upon the previous use of Chloroquine phosphate and Hydroxychloroquine. Both Malaria drugs with long approvals and known side effects.

That is why POTUS is now mentioning this drug openly now and Bayer just shipped a large quantity of it to the US a couple of days ago, and so far there is now considerable evidence from several countries (China, S. Korea, France,) that anti-malarial drugs, especially chloroquine, is effective at greatly reducing COVID-19 symptoms, and possibly preventing infection in the first place.

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The other drug AbbVie’s HIV combo Kaletra (Aluvia) just failed in its 199 patient trial in China. So that one is done.

[JoeC]

interesting reading about "community immunity" or "herd immunity"

https://magazine.medlineplus.gov/article/what-is-community-immunity

[StealthBird]

Political views are not part of this site....

[Zedder]

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-h1n1-totally-chill/partly-false-claim-covid-19-and-h1n1-numbers-compared-the-public-was-totally-chill-during-the-h1n1-pandemic-of-2009-2010-while-covid-19-is-causing-mass-hysteria-idUSKBN2172HT

H1N1 vs Covid-19

[StealthBird]

Apologies for mentioning a political view. I'll re-post/edit my post as it had relevant info.

In 2020, most deaths due to COVID-19 are over the age of 65 and has affected people with compromised immune systems or other underlying issues like heart disease.

In 2009 we had 60 million Americans that contracted H1N1, over 12,000 deaths, and 80% of those were people younger than 65 years of age.

COVID-19 cases will go up dramatically in the next few weeks because we're TESTING now, but the actual deaths will not skyrocket or go up in proportional numbers to new cases. Tens of millions may already have COVID-19, perhaps as early as 2 months ago, but your immune system fought it off, and you were totally unaware you ever had it.

As of March 21st, 2020, over 11,000 Americans have died of the flu or pneumonia, NOT the coronavirus.

Every year we have 55,000+ deaths due to flu/pneumonia.

Every year we have over 40,000+ deaths due to opiods.

Go out to your garage, clay bar your car, give it a coat of wax. Do a project that you always wanted to do like fix a stone chip, install that new interior carpet that's been in your basement for months, read up on how carburetors work so you can tune your Holley or Q-Jet, grab a few of your old books or magazines on muscle cars that you shelved long ago (you'll be surprised how much information is in them), maybe detail that engine compartment, rotate your tires (rarely done on classic cars anymore), detail that engine bay and take care of that paint flaking on your engine. Perhaps there's a few projects around the house you've been putting off, maybe painting a room, that you didn't have time for before because of excessive work loads before this virus outbreak. If your kids are at home, have them disconnect from social media for a few hours and watch a movie, maybe binge watch a series. Watch some comedies. Maybe look up some YouTube videos of your favorite rock bands. Re-read some of those old novels on your bookshelves that have been gathering dust.

America has been through MUCH worse than this virus.

Calm down, step back.

Vaccines and other medications are not far off.

[70 copo]

Helpful...

In addition the Public/Private partnership with Google has yielded the website:

https://www.google.com/covid19/

[Lee Stewart]

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[Lee Stewart]

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[Lee Stewart]

Hospitals warn of shortages, closures without emergency aid

U.S. hospitals are warning that they are so strapped for cash that without some financial relief, they will be unable to meet their payrolls in a matter of weeks and some could be forced to close just as coronavirus cases are surging.

The American Hospital Association and three hospital chief executives spanning the country said in a conference call Saturday that a federal directive this week to cancel elective procedures — to conserve scarce resources for patients with covid19 — is halting the type of services that produce the most revenue.

And their ability to buy critically needed supplies — from protective gear to more hospital beds — is being stymied by the fact that private vendors are requiring hospitals to pay cash upon delivery, which they say they lack the money to do.

This stark portrait of the ground-level reality for hospitals, in communities where the pandemic has penetrated and those where it has not yet seriously struck, comes as hospitals and other cornerstones of the U.S. health-care system are pleading with Congress to provide large-scale financial relief.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hospitals-warn-of-shortages-closures-without-emergency-aid/ar-BB11vCYs?ocid=spartandhp

[Lee Stewart]

FDA authorizes first rapid, 'point of care' coronavirus test

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved the first coronavirus diagnostic test that can be conducted entirely at the point of care.

The test from California-based Cepheid will deliver results in about 45 minutes - much faster than current tests that require a sample to be sent to a centralized lab, where results can take days.

The test has been designed to operate on any of Cepheid's more than 23,000 automated GeneXpert Systems worldwide, of which 5,000 are in the U.S., the company said. The systems are already being used to test for conditions like HIV or tuberculosis.

The systems do not require users to have specialty training to perform testing, and are capable of running around the clock.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/fda-authorizes-first-rapid-point-of-care-coronavirus-test/ar-BB11vTxm?ocid=spartandhp

[Lee Stewart]

In hard-hit areas, testing restricted to health care workers, hospital patients

Health officials in New York, California and other hard-hit parts of the country are restricting coronavirus testing to health care workers and people who are hospitalized, saying the battle to contain the virus is lost and the country is moving into a new phase of the pandemic response.

As cases spike sharply in those places, they are hunkering down for an onslaught, and directing scarce resources where they are needed most to save people’s lives. Instead of encouraging broad testing of the public, they’re focused on conserving masks, ventilators, intensive care beds — and on getting still-limited tests to health care workers and the most vulnerable. The shift is further evidence that rising levels of infection and illness have begun to overwhelm the health care system.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-hard-hit-areas-testing-restricted-to-health-care-workers-hospital-patients/ar-BB11vpAa?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=spartandhp

[32KZ]

X2 stealthbird #127

I'm a firefighter, my wife's a nurse. Sort of on the front lines of this. Monitoring and just following suggested practice.

That being said, taking measures to boost the imune system,,ramping up the cardio a bit. Doing what we do around the homestead.

Some good info coming down the pike out of this thread, a car site of all things! Both sides. If some anxiety gets vented, not the worse of things.

[70 copo]

SBR,

Good info!

The following info is a bit sketchy because it is still early - but countries that have experienced Malaria outbreaks in the past are currently pretty much negative for the COVID-19

If this holds then this builds a strong case for population immunity based upon the previous use of Chloroquine phosphate and Hydroxychloroquine. Both Malaria drugs with long approvals and known side effects.

That is why POTUS is now mentioning this drug openly now and Bayer just shipped a large quantity of it to the US a couple of days ago, and so far there is now considerable evidence from several countries (China, S. Korea, France,) that anti-malarial drugs, especially chloroquine, is effective at greatly reducing COVID-19 symptoms, and possibly preventing infection in the first place.

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The other drug AbbVie’s HIV combo Kaletra (Aluvia) just failed in its 199 patient trial in China. So that one is done.

More on this development.

Israeli drug company donating 6M doses of malaria drug to US to combat coronavirus

Israel’s leading drug producer announced Thursday it will donate 6 million doses of anti-malaria drugs to the United States in hopes that it could be helpful treating coronavirus symptoms.

Teva Pharmaceutical Industries says the drug could potentially treat people with the coronavirus and will ship the hydroxychloroquine tablets through wholesalers nationwide by the end of the month and will provide 10 million doses in total.

“We are committed to helping to supply as many tablets as possible as demand for this treatment accelerates at no cost,” Teva Executive Vice President Brendan O’Grady said about the move.

[70 copo]

More:

French Study shows promise.

Researchers are turning to existing medication for potential use in a new coronavirus treatment.

A study published by French biomedical lab IHU-Méditerranée Infection on Wednesday discovered a potential COVID-19 treatment contender: a combination of hydroxychloroquine, which has been used to treat malaria, and azithromycin.

The two drugs combined would prevent the virus from entering other human cells and therefore stop the virus from spreading.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/existing-medication-coronavirus-treatment

[Lee Stewart]

The issue with hydroxychloroquine is the dosage. Give a patient 1 gram - he's fine. Give him 2 grams - he dies.

[70 copo]

Lee,

What are your reservations with the usage of this drug in an approved off label context?

Is there something new about the dosage that gives you reason to be concerned?

Lots of medical experience with it and nearly all of it in a third world medical environment or military treatment context.

Explain Please.

[Lee Stewart]

Lee,

What are your reservations with the usage of this drug in an approved off label context?

Is there something new about the dosage that gives you reason to be concerned?

Lots of medical experience with it and nearly all of it in a third world medical environment or military treatment context.

Explain Please.

I can tell you from experience - my own - being in the ICU two times that you are dealing with people - not machines. They come in, wake you up if you are sleeping, tell you that have to take your medication and watch you take it. The last time I was in the ICU for the flu due to a shift change I wound up taking my Theraflu medication 2X - one more than was necessary. No big deal.

But if a mistake is made with hydroxychloroquine - you get double dosed - you die. Simple as that.

And please don't tell me that hospital staff/doctors don't make mistakes. We can head that one off at the pass right now!

[Lee Stewart]

Trump steps up effort to tout malaria drug as coronavirus 'game changer' despite doubts from FDA

President Trump doubled down on his campaign to cast a malaria drug as a coronavirus cure, saying the treatment could be a game changer despite skepticism from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and other government officials.

When asked on Friday if hydroxychloroquine could be used to prevent COVID-19, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's top infectious disease expert, replied "no."

"The information that you're referring to specifically is anecdotal," Fauci added. "It was not done in a controlled clinical trial, so you really can't make any definitive statement about it."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-steps-up-effort-to-tout-malaria-drug-as-coronavirus-game-changer-despite-doubts-from-fda/ar-BB11vAkV?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=spartandhp

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/xdfzYgYK/vrb5ersyklqi3wolvahw.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

If you have never seen one, this is a ventilator. If the manufacturers name rings a bell, they also manufacturer rebreathers - the underwater air supply that leaves no bubbles - used by all Special Forces military

[70 copo]

I can tell you from experience - my own - being in the ICU two times that you are dealing with people - not machines. They come in, wake you up if you are sleeping, tell you that have to take your medication and watch you take it. The last time I was in the ICU for the flu due to a shift change I wound up taking my Theraflu medication 2X - one more than was necessary. No big deal.

But if a mistake is made with hydroxychloroquine - you get double dosed - you die. Simple as that.

And please don't tell me that hospital staff/doctors don't make mistakes. We can head that one off at the pass right now!



Ok I understand what you are saying. By the looks of it the amount of medicine needed will be quite small in conjunction with a ZPack.

How it will be administered remains to be seen.

Its effectiveness also needs to be proven.

As an aside this medicine was evaluated on primate in 2004 with respect to COVID/SARS and was found to be effective, however human trials were not needed as SARS resolved through containment.

Here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

[Lee Stewart]

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[70 copo]

Of note is that the current containment methods employed here in Ohio is working.

Ohio only gained +1 today moving from 247 to 248.

Real Data can be found below without the hyped up "Bomb Impact" visuals.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Lee Stewart]

Ok I understand what you are saying. By the looks of it the amount of medicine needed will be quite small in conjunction with a ZPack.

How it will be administered remains to be seen.

Its effectiveness also needs to be proven.

As an aside this medicine was evaluated on primate in 2004 with respect to COVID/SARS and was found to be effective, however human trials were not needed as SARS resolved through containment.

Here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

No disrespect intended to you 70 copo but I like my facts coming from an expert like I posted just above the photo (post# 141). Not from someone's hope or speculation as you are posting.

Hey - you may be 100% correct. Then again you maybe 100% wrong. So much is not known about CV19 that comparisons to previous virus's is pretty much worthless when it comes to medicinal treatment.

[70 copo]

In context:

The FLU has killed over 22,000 people already this season

Think about that since the lethality of COVID-19 is becoming more clear as the days roll on.

[70 copo]

No disrespect intended to you 70 copo but I like my facts coming from an expert like I posted just above the photo (post# 141). Not from someone's hope or speculation as you are posting.

Hey - you may be 100% correct. Then again you maybe 100% wrong. So much is not known about CV19 that comparisons to previous virus's is pretty much worthless when it comes to medicinal treatment.

No disrespect either Lee,

So where do you fall on this matter? Are you a "Doomer" or are you just cheerleeding for the virus?

I am asking because certain elements of the political fringes give the appearance of hoping the virus destroys the economy for an election advantage, and it is not at all lost on my observations that the media sources you keep posting as evidence are known to be aligned on one side of this fringe... Care to comment?

[Lee Stewart]

In context:

The FLU has killed over 22,000 people already this season

Think about that since the lethality of COVID-19 is becoming more clear as the days roll on.

The Mortality Rate for the FLU is about 0.01%. The MR for CV19 is 0.04% - 4X higher

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[70 copo]

The Mortality Rate for the FLU is about 0.01%. The MR for CV19 is 0.04% - 4X higher

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

OK

We will see and it will not be long either.:beers:

[Lee Stewart]

No disrespect either Lee,

So where do you fall on this matter? Are you a "Doomer" or are you just cheerleeding for the virus?

I am asking because certain elements of the political fringes are hoping the virus destroys the economy for an election advantage, and it is not at all lost on my observations that the media sources you keep posting as evidence are known to be aligned on one side of this fringe... Care to comment?

I am a "Realist" - one who is desperately trying to understand the severity of CV19 because I fall in Category 1 - most likely to die from CV19. I am taking all the precautions recommended by the experts. I am trying to live some semblance of a "normal life" but will make what ever sacrifices are asked of me.

I wish we had a "wartime" president (like FDR) instead of a real estate salesman. I wish Andrew Cuomo was president. I wish people would take S-I-P seriously as opposed to a two week vacation.

I use MS Edge as my browser so it's home page is where I get access to news and such:

https://i.postimg.cc/pLXGTwfT/screenshot-7752.png (https://postimages.org/)

I try not to post Opinion or Analysis pieces. They are not news. I do not have an agenda when it comes to politics. Frankly the subject boors me. Never in my life have I been interested in politics. I think in the last 30 years I have gone to the polls maybe 3X to vote for anyone. One definitely sticks out. Lynbrook High School wanted more money - a lot of money. It was put to the voters to say yah or nay. Voters said nay. LHS didn't like that so somehow they were able to hold another vote. Voters once again said nay. So LHS used some buried in fine print law that allowed them to sidestep the voters and got their money. And I got a $3000 per year increase in my property taxes.

[70 copo]

Lee,

Excellent. Good Man!

[Lee Stewart]

What's in Lees pockets leaving the house:

Wallet - check
Keys - check
Cellphone - check
Pocket knife - check
Magnifying reading glasses with case - check
Lipstick sized flashlight - check
Clean snot rag - check
2 Pair of rubber gloves - check
Surgical mask - check
Half a dozen disposable alcohol wipes - check
Cigarettes - check
Cigarette lighter - check

Leaving the car - backpack with 10 reusable plastic bags for bagging groceries*

OK Alex - all set, let's go!

*NM has a ban on plastic bags but somehow the ones Walmart sells (really heavy duty) slipped through the ban. Bought 20 of them for $2.00. Keep 10 in the car and another 10 in the closet to replace any that rip or tear.

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/hvYjmWJB/63kfgm3z24o41.jpg (https://postimg.cc/GTkd0fJ7)

And NYC wonders why the outbreak is out of control

[Lee Stewart]

Connecticut and New Jersey have joined with NY, IL and CA for all residents to Shelter-In Place.

[parkbrau]

The issue with hydroxychloroquine is the dosage. Give a patient 1 gram - he's fine. Give him 2 grams - he dies.
As is the case with any drug. Two grams of almost any drug will kill you.

[Unreal]

Maybe it is time to "thin the herd." You can apply that to any demographic you like.

We can talk statistics and overreaction, etc, but anyone here want to be the first to volunteer?

[Lee Stewart]

We can talk statistics and overreaction, etc, but anyone here want to be the first to volunteer?

To make sure you are not taking that quote out of context I was referring to businesses not human life.

[Unreal]

OK, who wants to be the first to volunteer their business/job.

[Lee Stewart]

Coronavirus cases in New York State now top 10,000

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said Saturday morning that the number of coronavirus cases in the state has increased by more than 3,000 and now tops 10,000.

The state has conducted 45,437 tests, he said, and now has a total of 10,356 coronavirus cases.

"The more tests you take, the more positives you find," he said, adding that New York is now conducting more tests per capita than China or South Korea.

The governor also said that because the federal government on Friday declared New York a "major disaster" the state is eligible for Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) aid. He said FEMA is now helping to get temporary hospitals up and running in the state.

New York City alone has 6,211 cases, an increase of 1,800. Case number increases are slowing in Westchester County while they are growing on Long Island.

The state's rate of hospitalization is now 15 percent of coronavirus cases, the governor said.

Cuomo said the state anticipates that between 40 and 80 percent of New Yorkers will be infected with coronavirus, however, authorities hope to spread out the rate of infection in order to not overwhelm the state's health system.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-cases-in-new-york-state-now-top-10000/ar-BB11vC9k?ocid=spartandhp

[Lee Stewart]

OK, who wants to be the first to volunteer their business/job.

Where I live there are 3 Dollar Tree stores. 6 miles separate the 3. And please stop stirring the pot. Let's hear what you have to say about the CV-19 pandemic.

[Lee Stewart]

Got this E-Mail yesterday evening:

https://i.postimg.cc/MpBFgC8r/screenshot-7754.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/W4PHV5Np/screenshot-7755.png (https://postimages.org/)
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[70 copo]

First off.

Lee I need to apologize to you. Lee is a good guy who is sharing his views on the world and I now understand why Lee believes as he does.

I think It is important that we stay tight as a group and not engage in disagreements where one or both of us are being manipulated by what we see, read or hear.

I pissed off several of you here with a statement I made in the previous thread where I posted that I believed that the crisis was a another media hoax, and by the way I still stand by that statement 100%.

But know this; The virus is not the hoax-It is very real.

Lee Don't get mad. I want to make a point and I am going to use you as an example so stay with me please.

Lee is scared of getting sick and I do not blame him one bit. Lee is also tracking the news from his PC selected news aggregation suite MS Edge. Edge is Lee's browser and also his home page is where He gets his access to news.

This means for the most part Lee is seeing the news from an angle selected by someone else.

The first thing I do with any Phone tablet or computer is discard the installed news feeds.

The coverage of the virus is the key in manipulation of the public. The perception of the news event is the issue in play each and every day and that is the battle for hearts and minds. Once one or the other in convinced of the story we all tend to self isolate in the theme of the news that best fits our established perception. In other words we fall into the age old "rut".

Here is a chart explaining the "sausage making" of the news. Were we all differ is our Perception.

[70 copo]

So lets examine

Kahneman, D., Tversky, A.: Choices, values, and frames. Am. Psychol. 39(4), 341 (1984)

I recall this from School and it is instructive because it used a mythical virus as an examination of presentation bias:

Assume a scenario in which a population of 600 people is endangered by an outbreak of a virus. In a first survey, Kahneman and Tversky asked participants which option they would choose:

A.
200 people be will be saved.

B.
66% chance that 600 people will be saved. 33% chance that no one will be saved.

In the first survey, 72% of the participants chose A, and 26% chose B. Afterward, a second survey was conducted that objectively represents the exact same choices, but here the options to choose from were framed in terms of likely deaths rather than lives saved.

C.
400 people will die.

D.
66% chance that no one will die. 33% chance that 600 people will die.

In this case, the preference of participants was reversed. 22% of the participants chose C, and 72% chose D. The results of the survey thus demonstrated that framing alone, that is, the way in which information is presented, has the ability to draw attention to either the negative or the positive aspects of an issue.


In summary, the effects of media bias are manifold and especially dangerous when individuals are unaware of the occurrence of bias.

The concentration of the majority of mass media in the hands of a few corporations amplifies the potential impact of media bias and individual news outlets even further and that's often why we sit here and bicker with each other.

[Lee Stewart]

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Lee Stewart]

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[markinnaples]

YouTube/TED

When Bill Gates was asked this week what the world should do to stop another pandemic, he pointed to a 2015 talk where he described just that.

Gates then said that the world needs to invest in better health systems, increase international collaboration, keep trained medical staff in reserve, and invest in vaccine research.

He said failing to do that, particularly for a virus with characteristics like the new coronavirus, could cost millions of lives and trillions of dollars.

His comments seem prescient with the coronavirus now in 160 countries, hammering the global economy, and responsible more in excess of 9,000 deaths.

Gates said in 2015 that the world was not prepared for an epidemic, and urged: "We need to get going. Because time is not on our side."

Since then the US instead cut some of its virus programs.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

This week, as the coronavirus pandemic worsened, Bill Gates pointed to a 2015 TED talk he gave when people asked him what the world should do now to stop anything similar happening again.

https://news.yahoo.com/heres-bill-gates-once-said-151547863.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tL3Nl YXJjaD9mcj1tY2FmZWUmdHlwZT1FMjExVVMxMjQ5RzAmcD1iaW xsK2dhdGVzKzIwMTUrY29yb25hdmlydXM&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHk36VNGlxKO0Y4-u6GZOow0rdXuJDRALlSnjtwoupuzHkJO-6wg6TI4N0P5sn1PkVR4TQThA6znKUIiDkLteMmcr3tKcX8DRYg filW6NdcKokA-M4vAvbun8_irIPMHbEsX4zv-BRQgVIoiCEtM3KhrWPc7bMDGPjk0Eo3KDSYQ

[StealthBird]

Why has Italy been hit so hard? While at first this sounded like Fake News, this is actually real.

In 2013, Italy signed an agreement with China called the "Belt And Road Initiative", also known as the 'Silk Road". Because of Italy's poor economy and high unemployment, they agreed to have Chinese workers build roads in Italy, using financing from Chinese banks, that would benefit Chinese trade routes. This move was widely criticized by members of the G-7 because it was another move by China in their ultimate goal for world domination. But because Italy was in the midst of an economic crisis, they signed on.

Chinese workers, mostly from Wuhan, made daily flights to and from Italy with many relocating their families in the process. When the first case of COVID-19 broke out in January 2020, the U.S. and Italy announced travel restrictions on China.

The CDC and WHO proposed isolating Chinese people coming from the epicenter in Italy. The Italian government balked at the idea because singling out travelers from China would be construed as racist.

On February 1st, Dario Nardella, Mayor of Florence, Italy, initiated a ‘Hug a Chinese’ campaign on Twitter. "We follow the directions of the health authorities and we use caution, but no psychological terrorism," Mayor Dario Nardella said in a tweet announcing the initiative while blasting those he said "could not wait to use this excuse to hate and insult."

So videos were taken of happy Italians hugging Chinese people on the streets of Florence, Milan, and other cities.

Obviously, this was a bad call by the mayor of Florence, but this act, along with the fact that Italy has the oldest population in Europe, and elders were not aware of the virus until it was too late, is why Italy has the greatest number of COVID-19 cases, and the highest death toll per capita.

[SBR]

Why has Italy been hit so hard? While at first this sounded like Fake News, this is actually real.

In 2013, Italy signed an agreement with China called the "Belt And Road Initiative", also known as the 'Silk Road". Because of Italy's poor economy and high unemployment, they agreed to have Chinese workers build roads in Italy, using financing from Chinese banks, that would benefit Chinese trade routes. This move was widely criticized by members of the G-7 because it was another move by China in their ultimate goal for world domination. But because Italy was in the midst of an economic crisis, they signed on.

Chinese workers, mostly from Wuhan, made daily flights to and from Italy with many relocating their families in the process. When the first case of COVID-19 broke out in January 2020, the U.S. and Italy announced travel restrictions on China.

The CDC and WHO proposed isolating Chinese people coming from the epicenter in Italy. The Italian government balked at the idea because singling out travelers from China would be construed as racist.

On February 1st, Dario Nardella, Mayor of Florence, Italy, initiated a ‘Hug a Chinese’ campaign on Twitter. "We follow the directions of the health authorities and we use caution, but no psychological terrorism," Mayor Dario Nardella said in a tweet announcing the initiative while blasting those he said "could not wait to use this excuse to hate and insult."

So videos were taken of happy Italians hugging Chinese people on the streets of Florence, Milan, and other cities.

Obviously, this was a bad call by the mayor of Florence, but this act, along with the fact that Italy has the oldest population in Europe, and elders were not aware of the virus until it was too late, is why Italy has the greatest number of COVID-19 cases, and the highest death toll per capita.

So the gist is that being PC with open borders sealed their fate. I know there's a lesson to be learned there but it will probably fall on deaf ears with the fine folks at DC. Stay safe everyone.

[Lee Stewart]

ROME, March 22 (Reuters) - The death toll from an outbreak of coronavirus in Italy has risen by 651 to 5,476, officials said on Sunday, an increase of 13.5% but down on Saturday's figure when some 793 people died.

The total number of cases in Italy rose to 59,138 from a previous 53,578, an increase of 10.4%, the Civil Protection Agency said -- the lowest rise in percentage terms since the contagion came to light on Feb. 21.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italy-coronavirus-deaths-rise-by-651-in-a-day-lifting-total-death-toll-to-5476/ar-BB11xRQm?ocid=spartandhp

[Mr70]

This is what it's been like around Northern Illinois this week.

[70 copo]

Russians going to Italy:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8139411/Russian-military-virologists-medics-sent-Italy-help-battle-coronavirus-death-toll-rises.html

[Lee Stewart]

Connecticut and New Jersey have joined with NY, IL and CA for all residents to Shelter-In-Place.

Nevada just joined this group of states

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/VLp8XpML/image.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Omni Hotel - Dallas, TX

[Tabu2]

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This is a horrendous drug with horrendous side effects!!

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/T2qjL5yt/ETv7-M6g-Xs-AI9kjt.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[70 copo]

The ramp up has started. Fingers crossed.

https://www.dominionpost.com/2020/03/20/mylan-to-restart-production-of-possible-covid-19-drug-at-its-morgantown-plant/

[70 copo]

I think we are already seeing what the recovery looks like:

It is going to hinge on the real lethality numbers and the recovery rate.

As of today recovery is now up to 98%. This means the virus is not living up to the hype.

[70 copo]

A potential approach from Israel

Watch the video. Interesting.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/international/coronavirus-outbreak-isolating-the-elderly-key-to-defeat-covid-19-says-israel-defense-minister/videoshow/74751278.cms

[Lee Stewart]

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

You have to see the entire picture

I posted that yesterday at 9:17 AM. Now 6:10 AM

[70 copo]

Lee,

I understand. Watch closely as the government exits the extent of condition evaluation and moves into recovery.

We should see some indications of the direction today at the Task Force briefing.

[Lee Stewart]

Lee,

I understand. Watch closely as the government exits the extent of condition evaluation and moves into recovery.

We should see some indications of the direction today at the Task Force briefing.

I have pretty much lost all confidence in our government to handle this pandemic properly. And we are going to see unemployment sky rocket into the millions. I see no recovery on the horizon. Just more bad news each day.

The severity of the pandemic is shown on a hourly/daily basis but the fight takes weeks. For example: ventilators. One of the manufacturers (Phillips) said it will ramp up production and should be able to give a 4X increase . . . in EIGHT WEEKS!

The crisis is no longer with Joe Public being sheltered in place and businesses closed. It's the failure of our health care systems to deal with the sick. They are being overwhelmed. The death rate keeps climbing!

[Lee Stewart]

https://i.postimg.cc/Wpd6NGxr/uyui.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Crowds packed California beaches despite shelter in place order. People are seen on the beach on March 21, 2020 in Huntington Beach, California.

[Steve Shauger]

Lee we all get you perspective and opinion. Lets take a break with the minute by minute bad news.


Tabu2 you've only joined this SITE to discuss one thing and only the negative.


We all have internet and TV. This will pass and the sooner we all start thinking positive, the better off we will all be.


Follow the government guidelines and please assist those with risk factors. Donate those items needed to assist hospitals and the elderly.

[Crush]

Lee we all get you perspective and opinion. Lets take a break with the minute by minute bad news.


Tabu2 you've only joined this to discuss one thing and only the negative.


We all have internet and TV. This will pass and the sooner we all start thinking positive, the better off we will all be.

Well said Steve!
We WILL get through this!

[markinnaples]

Lee we all get you perspective and opinion. Lets take a break with the minute by minute bad news.


Tabu2 you've only joined this SITE to discuss one thing and only the negative.


We all have internet and TV. This will pass and the sooner we all start thinking positive, the better off we will all be.


Follow the government guidelines and please assist those with risk factors. Donate those items needed to assist hospitals and the elderly.

Wish I could give this post "stars" or something. Well stated Steve, and as I heard earlier on the radio, we need to make sure that the cure isn't worse than the disease, which is good to remember as we sink in deeper. Appreciate this site and all the work everyone does to keep it as one of the best sites on the internet, thanks Steve and everyone else.

[JoeC]

interesting uplifting article

https://www.benzinga.com/news/20/03/15561252/how-humans-are-uplifting-each-other-around-the-world-during-coronavirus

[WILMASBOYL78]

Just got a message from I-Heart Media about a noon time event with the National Anthem.

Here it is:

We hope this email finds you well. In these challenging times, we want to take a moment of solidarity to celebrate our collective strength as a nation and recognize the heroic efforts of so many workers on the frontline – including our doctors, nurses, health care professionals, caregivers and other critical responders who are working night and day to get us through this. TODAY, Monday, March 23, iHeartMedia will honor the resilience of Americans by encouraging the masses to unite through the healing power of music as our 850+ radio stations and formats across the country air a version of the National Anthem at 12pm noon local time.

We want to send our heartfelt thoughts, concern and support to any family who may need it as we face these tough times together as a country.

We hope you will tune in and help spread the word.

I-Heart Radio

https://www.iheart.com/

[Steve Shauger]

The posts are now getting personal and political. Lets focus on the mission of the site:


Dedicated to the Promotion and Preservation of American Muscle Cars, Dealer built Supercars and COPO cars.

I think everyone that wanted to contribute has, and I appreciate everyone's comments and opinions to a "POINT ", but we are past that! Lets get back to our cars!!!!