Blacked out rocker panel

[ALLZS]

On a 69 camaro was the blacked out rocker paint kept under the trim molding or carryed into the door jam

[BARRY]

under the moulding.

[Unreal]

I think it terminates at the point of the spear.

[m22mike]

Correct. When laying it out use the screw holes for the trim mounting strip as the dividing line for the blackout.

[Steve Shauger]

Here's an original paint car for reference blackout position with respect to rocker spear and end point.

[X66 714]

Good picture. That's what I was trying to explain to my painter yesterday...Joe

[Charley Lillard]

Rs zl1 # 55

[napa68]

Rs zl1 # 55
Would love to see more of that car!

[Steve Shauger]

Rs zl1 # 55
Love the gloss blackout!😂

[firstgenaddict]

Charlie,
Does the rocker spear angle up or does the paint tape line angle down on the ZL1 drivers fender?
Thanks
James

[Charley Lillard]

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[Charley Lillard]

Charlie,
Does the rocker spear angle up or does the paint tape line angle down on the ZL1 drivers fender?
Thanks
James
Don't remember.:crazy: I took the pics when I had it here in 2006.

[napa68]

Speechless!

Thank you for sharing Charlie!

[firstgenaddict]

Thanks for the detail porn...

[scuncio]

Wow! That is one gorgeous car.

[Jonesy]

I wonder if LA plant was different? I recall my once original paint LA car had the black up to the center of the spear. I know I have old pics somewhere of my front fenders. Thats how it is now as I copied how it was done the first time I repainted back in '82. Same with my front fender stripes that extended down onto the front fender extension. 11A Van Nuys car

[CJP_69]

Thanks for posting the additional detailed pics. Many of us consider this car the pinnacle of muscle cars and a benchmark for originality. I've searched for other photos on the internet but not too much out there.

[Steve Shauger]

Thanks for posting the additional detailed pics. Many of us consider this car the pinnacle of muscle cars and a benchmark for originality. I've searched for other photos on the internet but not too much out there.


To me the #55 is the ultimate 69 camaro, however Ken Barnhart is the ultimate camaro owner. These cars were purpose built race cars, and he campaigned his from day one. He is the only original owner of a ZL1 camaro, who still owns it. :3gears::beers:

[CJP_69]

I agree. Kudos to Ken for using it for what it was built for and keeping it for all these years.

[olredalert]

----Ken is definetly the real thing! Such a great basically humble guy who does what he says he is going to do. I bought Kens 93 Suburban and he was just great to deal with. Oh,,,and his ZL1 isn't bad either...….Bill S

[bcmiller]

Rockers were hand masked and there will be some variation from car to car. Rockers are not and never have been gloss. :)

[x33rs]

Another piece of info I don't think was mentioned. The blackout was sprayed before the fenders were installed, so it extends onto the lower portion of the side of the cowl. Mine actually has a tape line that extends from the rocker, across the side of the cowl to the first pinch weld on the passenger side, while the driver side is done rather sloppy, like the tape line came off and you can see the black paint shot upwards onto the side of the cowl. Gives me the impression these were sprayed while the car was up in the air and the gun pointed upward. All this is covered with the fenders installed. Then I assume since the front is painted separately the blackout is then added to the fender.

Mine still has it's original black out present in this area and that's the way it appears to me. 12D Norwood car if that makes a difference.

[ban617]

Does anyone know what the sticker on the RS ZL1 would have been seems to be loaded up with options...

[William]

None of the original paperwork for ZL1 #55 survives but an educated guess is possible.

Assuming the required PL5 F70 x 14 RWL tires and an $110.50 destination charge to AR [900 mi], it would have had an MSRP of $8,095.00

ZL1 #68 was a close 2nd at $7,919.85. Only COPO known to have been built with the DX1 hood stripe.

[William]

Rockers were hand masked and there will be some variation from car to car. Rockers are not and never have been gloss. :)

Fisher did the rocker blackout; Chevy final assembly did the fenders. When they remembered.

Here's some of that 'variation' right on the showroom floor.

[Jonesy]

Interesting topic. Looks like the line is below the spear on the fender in that pic.
Mine goes up to the center of the spear. Pretty much follows the center of the spear retainer.

[X66 714]

Here's a fender off a late Norwood car if it helps. factory paint....Joe

[x33rs]

Mine is below the spear point. Basically the tape line follows the hole in the fender for the spear, which is below the spear point. Just like Joe pictured.

[firstgenaddict]

off topic here... ahve the heads been off #55? This photo indicates that the head on the drivers side was installed on the passenger side of an engine at one point, the star washer marks are the grounding location for the battery on a big block camaro - passenger side head of a big block...
https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166134&stc=1&d=1589128227

[William]

ZL1 #55 lost its original short block early in 1970. At the ZL1 re-union at SC-Indy in 1989, an individual that worked at Whit Chevrolet was there and said he had the original. At that time, the car had just been sold to the Otis Chandler collection. I do not know if Chandler bought the engine. When the car sold at Mecum Indy 2008, the purported fully re-built original engine was on a small trailer behind it.

For 38 years, the car did not have its original engine. Obviously, the heads have been off and may not be the originals.

If it is an original engine ZL1 Camaro you desire, some concessions will be necessary.

Good catch eagle-eyes!

[Steve Shauger]

I believe the original engine was purchased when Dave C. owned it. The original block was stored under the bench of the mechanic that replaced it under warranty at the dealership. The deal was consummated at the Supercar Reunion in 2004, 5 or 6. I was there but don't recall the year. Dave was somewhat reluctant to purchase at the asking price and Charley and I worked on him and the deal was done. I'm not sure the original engine was ever installed and lost track when Dave sold the car....

[Charley Lillard]

Joe Cheeks brought the orig. block to the Reunion. The current owner that bought the car at Mecum along with the orig. engine told me he has since installed it in the car. The pic Firstgenaddict posted I took before Dave C sold the car so it was the warranty installed setup. Looks like heads switched sides.......