'69 Z/28, X77 D80, Special Paint Code

[scuncio]

Man, this is cool, and tough to find as a special paint X77 car. Restoration isn't anywhere near a concours level, so I'm thinking the price will have to come down a good amount to sell in this market. It's NOM, too....

Link to 1969 X77 Z/28 auction (https://ebay.to/2Bbkthy)

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[chris slawski]

let's see if i learned anything from my independent research...what do we think on the data plate?

[William]

We think it doesn't match the car. Should be - B.

[Mr70]

https://www.camaros.net/forums/15-tag-team/384985-special-paint-code.html

[m22mike]

Just my observation the rivet goop looks very original and the right color. I don't think that tag has been off, JMO. No idea on the --, could it have been ordered with no stripes ?

Mike

[scuncio]

I agree that the rivet goop looks like the Camaros I've owned from that build era.

[chris slawski]

Just my observation the rivet goop looks very original and the right color. I don't think that tag has been off, JMO. No idea on the --, could it have been ordered with no stripes ?

Mike


wasn't black a special order at one time??

[William]

Black was discontinued during the 1968 model year. However the initial release of the 1969 Camaro Showroom Album lists 18 colors with black at the top of the list. Several colors are flagged "check availability before ordering": 10, 40, 51, 61, 63 and 67. A later rev sheet for the album removes the flags from 51, 61 and 67.

There was also a document that designated certain colors as “Special Order” by assembly plant.

For Van Nuys those were 10, 40, 51, 61, 67; two tones 53-51, 51-53, 61-63.

For Norwood those were 40, 63; two-tone 61-63. What “Special Order” meant wasn’t clear.

The first rev of the 1969 Camaro Dealer Order Form is dated 6-68. Colors are not listed but there was a place to specify color. Dealers could start placing orders July 1, 1968; at that time black appeared to be an RPO color. Sometime later rev 0 of the US showroom brochure was released. Black [10], Butternut Yellow [40] and Champagne [63] are not listed. They are also not listed in rev 1. The Canadian rev doesn't list colors. 10, 40, 63 are also not listed in the dealer ordering data.

But they were available. In checking the CRG db, from the start of production through the end of 1968 at both plants there are a very few of those colors. They are not designated as special paint. After January 1969 they become far more common. Black, Champagne and Butternut Yellow were extra-cost: $12.65.

At some point late in 1968 Chevy must have notified dealers that 10, 40, 63 would be available at extra cost. It is not known how earlier orders were handled.

[NorCam]

Man do I dislike cars restored with deluxe covers and standard door panels. A pet peeve but it's always the eBay and auction cars that seem to appear like this. Almost like someone wanted the deluxe interior but cheaped out when they learned they'd have to replace the regulators and spend another $1600 for door panels and hardware.

:ooo::no::thumbsdown:

[L78M22Rag]

When I see a trim tag that is that cleaned up... I immediately suspect that it’s been off the car... yet the rivets/goop look right to me? Given the two dashes, I’m going to guess that it was not a vinyl top car from the start? Perhaps ordered black with no stripes??

[Lynn]

I think the tag is good, and agree, it has never been off. No way to know, short of pulling some trim, if it was sans vinyl top from the git go.

Graeme hit on one of my pet peaves. Go deluxe, or stay standard. Goofy mix. And why add wheel well trim and the side louvers to an X77 car.

I am not sure if he is implying the engine is original (says decked and numbers removed) but if it is a 618 block, not likely it would have come on that car.

Car has a lot going for it. But he is asking "all correct" money for a car that is not all correct.

[ZLP955]

Unless there is proof documented during the restoration, like original paint under the weatherstrip moulding or obvious overspray, no way to know what the original exterior color was, especially given the 711 interior and no v-top on the tag.

[scott s]

Real triple black cars are hard to find!!! Iam sure not many were made..

[sixt9rsx33]

About the only thing this car has going for it, the tt has not been removed.
Otherwise cobbled together IMO with style trim parts on a non style trim car, wrong antenna, 618 block would not had appeared in a June car. Underside gloss black, wrong leaf springs, and just after a cursory glance.

[Jonesy]

Unless there is proof documented during the restoration, like original paint under the weatherstrip moulding or obvious overspray, no way to know what the original exterior color was, especially given the 711 interior and no v-top on the tag.

I agree with this and I think the tag was never off the body.

[scuncio]

Back again, relisted in the link below for $69k:

Link to 1969 Special Paint Z auction (http://ebay.to/3bkbNFJ)

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[scuncio]

Relisted again, same price:

Link to 1969 Z/28 auction (http://ebay.to/2M5Ll83)

[LITTLE TOMMIE]

to me it's amazing that the tag is so clean but there is no marks around the tag, like scuffs or scratches. almost to clean if you know what i mean

[BARRY]

when did 1969 Camaro tags the month of O6 STOP

[firstgenaddict]

The tag is without doubt good... given the - - I would have done it Black with RED or BLUE stripes.

If it were being judged in the NCRS you would have to present it in PRIMER. They would give you a full paint deduct for anything EXCEPT primer unless you have documents to prove which color it left the factory.

just a thought here... if the car had the studs welded for the top trim... could it have been ordered with a special color painted top and possibly stripes recieved a - - and thus still had the trim?

[NorCam]

I just have to laugh at cars done like this. Methodically clean the trim tag, but paint over the wiper grommets and screws without even taking anything off the firewall when you spray it. I'm sure any one of us could pick this car to death, but there's always one person who's going to buy a car because it's black!

But I'll pass...