67 trim tag thoughts

[1903USMCUnertl]

Hi

Any thoughts on this trim tag?

TIA

https://imgur.com/a/dhsEqFo

[Hawkeye]

Photo

[canam]

I am not a trim tag expert but that body number is very close to my 2L 4K conv.#149416

[scuncio]

That photo was shown in a recent FB Marketplace ad. Unfortunately the car's VIN indicated it began life as a 6-cyl, so either the VIN or TT was swapped at some point.

[1903USMCUnertl]

I am looking at the car in a few hours… just to check it out.. will confirm VIN.. car has a BB heater box in pics

[scuncio]

Here is the VIN from the ad.

[1903USMCUnertl]

VIN confirmed.. 6 cyl car.. car had an Ohio title

[1967 4K]

My car is a 06A date. Vin starts 230. Something not right. I see something else about the tag but won’t call it out here.

Richard

[jeffschevelle]

Any sign of original Mountain Green paint on the body shell? Or a bracket underneath for a rear axle radius rod? If so, maybe a L78 car with a junkyard VIN tag stuck on it after being stolen at some point??

Can't really think of a good reason it would be the other way around (correct VIN tag, wrong trim tag). Why would anyone take a 4K tag and plaster it onto a 6-cyl car and leave the 6-cyl VIN tag in place?? Not like you are going to fool anybody that way.

[Kurt S]

I think the tag is good, but in this situation, that's pretty meaningless.

[Too Many Projects]

Any sign of original Mountain Green paint on the body shell? Or a bracket underneath for a rear axle radius rod? If so, maybe a L78 car with a junkyard VIN tag stuck on it after being stolen at some point??

Can't really think of a good reason it would be the other way around (correct VIN tag, wrong trim tag). Why would anyone take a 4K tag and plaster it onto a 6-cyl car and leave the 6-cyl VIN tag in place?? Not like you are going to fool anybody that way.


50 years ago ? Crash the L78 car and buy a 6 cylinder to swap all the drivetrain to. I don't think many people would have given a second thought to the differing tags back then, it was "just" a car then, not revered as in the present day.

May have even been done in the 70's to fool insurance and get a lower rate for insuring a 6 cylinder car...we did lots of crazy things back then...:naughty:

Pull the cowl panel ans see if the partial is still there and if it matches the vin tag.

[1967 4K]

Good thinking 99 !!!

[1967Z28]

VIN: 123377N213683 which would have been built 04D.

[Zedder]

I think the tag is good, but in this situation, that's pretty meaningless.

I agree with Kurt based on this pic. I received a pic of the tag yesterday on my iphone and it was distorted to the point that the "O" in body looked almost round rather than oval. Much like the early repop tags.

[jeffschevelle]

50 years ago ? Crash the L78 car and buy a 6 cylinder to swap all the drivetrain to. I don't think many people would have given a second thought to the differing tags back then, it was "just" a car then, not revered as in the present day.

May have even been done in the 70's to fool insurance and get a lower rate for insuring a 6 cylinder car...we did lots of crazy things back then...:naughty:

Pull the cowl panel ans see if the partial is still there and if it matches the vin tag.

But a drivetrain swap would not explain why they would bother to take the 4K trim tag off the "dead" L78 car and transplant it over to the 6-cyl body. And even a back-half partial body replacement won't explain it, because the VIN tag and the trim tag are both mounted on the cowl section of the body, so if the L78 cowl was used then the L78 VIN would be there. Has to be more to the story somewhere!

[scuncio]

I'm also thinking the 6-cyl VIN was swapped onto the 4K body, especially considering there's an original looking BB heater core installed in the car. I'd love to pull the cowl and confirm the partial VIN.

[Pro Stock John]

@Scuncio, big can of worms with this car right, something tag wise is off. If the hidden vin matches the trim tag, then the VIN on the dash is another car. Sounds messy. Is the car for sale cheap?

[Too Many Projects]

Why bother swapping a trim/vin tag off a "dead" car ??
Why not ?? Trying to use reason as to why someone did this is like trying to find the 201st 1965 Chevelle SS 396... It doesn't need to make sense to us, or anyone, but the person who did this.
But they certainly left a bewildering puzzle for people to try to make sense of...:laugh:

[69b5bee]

Maybe the 4k car was wrecked badly so when they repaired it, they grafted the a-pillar/door post off the 6 cyl car?

All conjecture as we do not have enough info or pics.

[1967 4K]

The hidden vins is the answer to what’s going on. It’s the TT .

[Pro Stock John]

Is there an ad out there for this car? How much is it?

[bbbentley]

$9800 asking. Sold over night

[Pro Stock John]

Maybe the buyer will share info on here or 1-2 of the other relevant sites. How many hidden VINs are on the cars?

[bbbentley]

Maybe the buyer will share info on here or 1-2 of the other relevant sites. How many hidden VINs are on the cars?

2 that I’m aware of

[Pro Stock John]

Thanks, I'd love to hear this all pans out. I've read there are 1138 '67 L78 Camaros, and maybe 250 have been verified?

[scuncio]

I would be interested in seeing the outcome. Hopefully it's a real 4K car and the new owner's into it cheap enough to make the resto and VIN replacement worthwhile.

[Zedder]

I hope we hear what happens too. A six banger VIN on and L78 body would have me thinking that the L78 was stolen or recovered with no VIN, so the 6 banger VIN made registration easy...but who knows!

Regardless, it would be impossible to restore that car and not be upside down, so I'm not sure it would be worth the hassle to deal with the VIN problem.

[Too Many Projects]

I never did find pics of it. Was it a complete car with L78 included ?

[Pro Stock John]

I'd love to see the pics of this car.

Zedder, if the car was not super rough and sold for $9800, and the purchaser looked at the hidden vins and they jibed with the trim tag, I might have considered buying it, it's still a '67 Camaro regardless of the issues and rollers are going for strong $ right now.

[bbbentley]

Here:

[Zedder]

Historically, 67 L78’s haven’t brought great money. If you look at the red one that I posted under members rides…I can buy that for $48,000 with no rust and completely original drivetrain.

[luzl78]

George’s L78 blue on blue Conv sold for 250,000 plus. That was was the best of all time though.

[Zedder]

Verts are in totally different price range.

[Pro Stock John]

The bat Camaro went for big bux and I heard it's overseas.

[Zedder]

Again…a Vert.

[Pro Stock John]

Gotcha.

The car in this thread, it's hard to sell if it was $9800, but these cars have pulling good money in all kinds of condition.

I hope the buyer knows what they are getting into and figure the car out and share it on here.

[cook_dw]

Historically, 67 L78’s haven’t brought great money. If you look at the red one that I posted under members rides…I can buy that for $48,000 with no rust and completely original drivetrain.

And you haven't yet? Send me the guys info as I probably know a guy that will.

[Zedder]

You clearly haven’t read the thread…

[cook_dw]

Clearly.. I read it. And I just read you could buy it for $48k. And I simply asked for the guys contact info if you were gonna pass. No need for a dickhead response.

[Zedder]

LOL! sure....

[Pro Stock John]

What are folks spending for a full resto on cars like this these days, taking the body down to bare metal etc., 30k for paint and body?

[Zedder]

John...strip, straighten and painting the red 67 L78 was quoted at $25k-$30k with no rust repair 2 years ago by a couple of restorers on this site. I assume prices are still in that range.

[Hawkeye]

Clearly.. I read it. And I just read you could buy it for $48k. And I simply asked for the guys contact info if you were gonna pass. No need for a dickhead response.

I believe he was referring to the thread regarding the red L78 that he can buy. If I recall the current owner is dragging his feet on selling. Perhaps there was some misunderstanding on both parts. Or I’m completely off base. 🤷🏻*♂️:dunno:

[Zedder]

Thanks Hawkeye...yes, we obviously read each other's comments with a different point of view, but that's OK.

For those following along on the other thread...after 16 years the owner "appears" to finally be serious about letting it go. He is insisting on painting the car himself to get a little more money out of it and I have agreed to his ask. Now, he needs to get it done. He is newly divorced and remarried, so I think the money is more critical to him now. I've offered a deposit a number of times, but he has always said that it wasn't necessary.

[cook_dw]

Everything was fine and dandy until the snarky comment. But no worries as it’s all good.. And yes I have followed along with that thread like many others. But when you come into this thread and say “I can buy the car for $48k” it makes it sound like you can but you haven’t or decided against it. Hence me asking “and you haven’t?” With then saying “send me the guys info as I know someone that would be interested..” Hopefully you get it. Just don’t do anything foolish like get rid of any of what’s left on the car thats original.. Especially that interior. Good luck:biggthumpup:

[Zedder]

I certainly didn't read your comments with that tone, but it doesn't really matter. We'll chalk it up to typing vs talking.

If I get the L78, it will be going to my friend Paul's shop where my SS is right now getting a little tune-up. We'll go through it mechanically, probably paint it if the current owner doesn't get that done, and slap a set of Cragars on it and it will be the perfect cruise night car. No other fluffing is really necessary with that one and having an underside that can get a stone chip or two is exactly what I want.

[Pro Stock John]

Yeah restoring a car like the one this post about is a labor of love, because between the restoration of the car inside and out and sourcing a driveline the owner would be upside down. Then again I know guys here and there sitting on a lot of parts. I have a buddy in MI who's selling of his dad's lifetime of collecting, I'll let you guys know if one of the BBs is from a Camaro or Chevelle, There are some mid 60's Vette 427s there.

Wish I still had my '69 Z/28, one repaint, and had 50K miles.

[Zedder]

Looks like a nice one John!

[x77-69z28]

Yeah restoring a car like the one this post about is a labor of love, because between the restoration of the car inside and out and sourcing a driveline the owner would be upside down. Then again I know guys here and there sitting on a lot of parts. I have a buddy in MI who's selling of his dad's lifetime of collecting, I'll let you guys know if one of the BBs is from a Camaro or Chevelle, There are some mid 60's Vette 427s there.

Wish I still had my '69 Z/28, one repaint, and had 50K miles.

Only the second LeMans Blue Z’s I have seen with black stripes. Was that how it came?
Buddy

[Pro Stock John]

I don't know to be honest. Was 22 years ago. I bought it thru a buddy he said a member of the Dean Foods family had been owner, and this was one of a few cars that got sold.

[bbbentley]

I don't know to be honest. Was 22 years ago. I bought it thru a buddy he said a member of the Dean Foods family had been owner, and this was one of a few cars that got sold.

Pretty sure with a black vinyl top, black stripes were the default color, Buddy. I had a LeMans blue SS that had black top and white D90 tag showed special paint because of that.

[cook_dw]

Just to confirm Bentley’s post. Courtesy CRG.

http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors