69 Z on BAT - was it orange or silver originally?

[RSSSfan]

Car is currently Hugger Orange with white stripes, and trim tag is coded for HO. But the description says the color was switched from Cortez Silver, which would imply that the tag is not original to the car. Not sure which it is, but the seller needs to jump on there and clarify.

Engine has DZ stamp, but it's covered in orange paint and the picture isn't the best. No picture of VIN on engine. Transmission VIN stamp looks sketchy to me.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-43/

[Tracker1]

I believe that trim tag was made to 'fit' the car's restored color combo, i.e not the original. And maybe it is just something weird with the camera lens, but that D in the DZ stamp looks massive compared to what I am used to seeing.

[Billohio]

Car is the same week as mine. Some obvious differences in the tag. The transmission is within a day of mine, engine is 13 days later than my assembly stamp

[William]

Tag is a repro.

[Mr70]

124379n622013

[Lynn]

Fake tag and a color change.

$98k.

[x44d80]

My 2 cents. Yes Hugger Orange has more visual impact than Cortez Silver in person but why change a tag to change a color? Oh, by the way, Cortez Silver with black stripes trumps Hugger Orange with white stripes "in my opinion".

[Billohio]

It now has houndstooth seats and deluxe door panels. Today the seller looked through his stuff and found what looks to get the original tag. Well some cars original tag!

[ELEFUNTMAN]

I hope the owner figures out how to install the breather seal, always gets to me! :flag:

[olredalert]

----Even if a guy didn't know how to tell a repop tag he should be able to tell that this tag is waaaay too new and unmarked in any way to be original.....Bill S

[William]

Space saver spare? Geeez...

[cruiserofland]

A few pre-resto photos added by the seller - looks like Rex O’Steen Chevrolet out of Greenville SC...

[Billohio]

A couple pictures posted today.

[Lynn]

Seems like a lot of uniformed bidders on BAT. On second thought, I guess the uninformed are everywhere.

[cruiserofland]

There are a few errors like the space-saver and the cowl seal, but otherwise seems like a pretty well-done car? Not exactly uncommon for the cowl tag to be replaced in older restorations, sadly.

Here are the block and trans. BV rear seems like the right date.

[jeffschevelle]

Could you really get a 4.10 with an M20 in 69? That's a hell of a first gear!

[Billohio]

My 03D axle is the 25th.

[Kurt S]

Could you really get a 4.10 with an M20 in 69? That's a hell of a first gear!
Yes, they didn't have trans/axle combo order limitations.

[Jonesy]

Not exactly uncommon for the cowl tag to be replaced in older restorations, sadly.

I would say the opposite. It would not be common on a real car to change out the cowl tag. Like in this instance where they kept the old one.
Most get put on to either make a car what it isnt or because it was missing in the first place.

Those driveline stampings look legit. I would say that hes lucky he found that original cowl tag.
Body number is the same on both. I would like to see the pad stamping bare, but initial thought is that its good.

I think that original cowl tag was on that car. What would be nice is to find a pic of it attached to the car pre restoration.

[RSSSfan]

That transmission stamp still looks kind of weird to me - at least the VIN portion.

[cruiserofland]

I would say the opposite. It would not be common on a real car to change out the cowl tag. Like in this instance where they kept the old one.
Most get put on to either make a car what it isnt or because it was missing in the first place.

Those driveline stampings look legit. I would say that hes lucky he found that original cowl tag.
Body number is the same on both. I would like to see the pad stamping bare, but initial thought is that its good.

I think that original cowl tag was on that car. What would be nice is to find a pic of it attached to the car pre restoration.

I say that because that's what happened on my Z, restored about 20 years ago. The restoring owner wanted to change to deluxe interior so changed the tag to match (and also said he didn't want a beat-up tag on a fresh restoration). When Jerry M reviewed the car in 2019, he said: "Years ago, many changed trim tags so they could change the color of the car. Not today, many times it's done to turn a base V-8 Camaro into a Z28. As we know this is not good for the hobby."

There were different practices in the hobby 20 years ago that have thankfully changed (like the term "numbers-matching" that should really be retired for good, from back when you lost points if you didn't restamp your replacement block!).

[Mr70]

124379N622013 just sold $82,000.00

[Bill Pritchard]

Last six of VIN is 622013 but trans is stamped 922013 :confused:

[firstgenaddict]

Could you really get a 4.10 with an M20 in 69? That's a hell of a first gear!

Yes my 10D early 69 Z was ordered with the 4.10 and M20... it really is a scorcher off the line.
I have said for years that if two friends ordered 69 Z's one with 3.73 and M21 and the other with 4.10 M20 the guy with the M21 would swear he were pulling an anchor becuase he would be so far out behind you by the time you were in 2nd gear.

[ALLZS]

my 69 L78 Camaro is a M20 - 410 gear car

[Lynn]

My car has M20 and a 4:10 rear. Great combo.