Zedder's 67 RS/SS Camaro 350 on BaT

[napa68]

GLWA Mark!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-chevrolet-camaro-144/

[Zedder]

Thanks Tim!

[Jonesy]

Beautiful car. Get ready for all the in house BAT experts making dumb comments.

Car presents itself very well with the pics and videos you provided.

[1967Z28]

Good luck, Mark!

[Zedder]

Thanks Guys!

[302moz]

Very nice car Mark ! Really like the color

[ruralrte66]

That would be a hard one to let go!! GLWS

[Charlierogers]

beautiful car and that interior is S.H.A.R.P, if it were mine i would store the stock hood and install stinger hood {67 bbc vette style} thats why i cant have anything nice lol.
GLWS!!

[SS4Real]

Are you going to buy your '70 LS5 Corvette back? Both are nice! GLWS.

[Zedder]

Thanks! No, the red 67 L78 Camaro.

[BJCHEV396]

GLWS Mark!

[NorCam]

Have you actually inked the deal on the L78 as of yet? This is a guy who's been leading you down the path for a few years now right? Unless you have a legal agreement with a signed contract and a firm timeline in place, I wouldn't be selling a car as nice as this 67 and doing it ahead of the L78 car. That and it's being painted in his own garage? By a guy who couldn't even figure out his own factory color codes? Is this L78 car even going to compare to this RS/SS in terms of quality, fit and finish?

Excuse me sounding off like this but the whole deal leaves me a bit confused. You search for years to find a nice 67 and end up with a killer RS/SS 350 car. I then see you posting up about possibly adding Day 2 components and Cragars to what is already a concourse restored car, then the next thing I see it's up for sale with plans to buy this L78 again. Don't get me wrong Mark...it's your deal to do whatever you want with...but I'm a bit lost with the reasoning here? Especially after it already sounds like the L78 owner has already been leading you down the garden path.

I also read the comments on the BAT page saying you've only put 10 miles on the RS/SS since buying it last year. Did you buy it to drive it, or strictly a collector / investment class car? If it were me Mark...I'd get out and puts some enjoyment miles on it. The restoration is 12 years old already and both you and the previous owner have now claimed you're afraid to mark it up since being restored in 2009? I mean really...just get out there and put some miles on it. Put a few stone chips in it, do a burnout, row those years or take the wife out for an ice cream and a burger with it. Leaving it parked in a garage for 12 years does nothing for me. Cars like this should be enjoyed.

If it were mine, I'd keep the damn thing off the deck truck and go spin some miles onto that odometer.

Just saying...:3gears:

[Zedder]

Thanks for your concern. If one car doesn’t work out, there is always another.

10 miles is absolutely true. Partly because of how clean the car is and partly because we have been dealing with Covid-19 in Ontario and I have gone pretty much no-where to protect family members with co-morbitities that would make them more susceptible to severe infection. I didn’t really feel the need to share that private matter on BAT, but since my lack of driving appears to bother you…there you have it. I wouldn’t call adding a set of Cragars to a concourse car ‘day 2ing” the car. It’s literally 20 lug nuts to change back.

I will likely lose $7-$10k on this “investment” even if I get a good selling price in this market. I bought the car at an exchange rate of $1.385 and will be selling at $1.23. Add $3250 for shipping and 13% tax and then another $4,400 in mtce work. The math is pretty simple. Everyone always assumes that someone is selling a car for a profit. I’m selling it because a driver quality L78 interests me more for my purposes than a concourse L48. If I lose $7k - $10k or even $15k I really don’t care. This is my hobby and it was worth owning the car for me.

Yes, the car was restored 12 years ago and has been driven 1,200 miles, but it still looks like this underneath. Anyone who sees it cannot believe that it hasn’t deteriorated.

As for the L78, My mechanic/friend from this site and I already have a plan for the L78 including repainting it. I am getting a very fair deal on it, so it’s worth it to me. If the deal falls through, my old Black 67 Z is available to me and I like that car too. If that falls through, there is always another car.

Finally, yes, I had been looking for a mint 67 Camaro for a long time, but Camaros aren’t my only automotive interest. I’ve owned a half dozen vintage motorcycles and a couple of 993’s during the search. And my next car is unlikely to be my last. I’m not wired that way…and I suspect you aren’t either.

If anyone else feels the need to give me advice on how to enjoy my hobby, can you please do it via pm. I’d like to keep my for sale post as positive as possible please.

[Pusher_Man]

Very well worded reply. Good for you, Mark.

[NorCam]

Sorry Mark,

Wasn't trying to make it a negative for you. Just wasn't sure why you were set on selling it after all the talking you did for years about finding a great 67. It appeared that you did manage to find one, hence the curiosity over why you'd sell it.

I've always said...it's whatever floats your own boat. You take that above post however you see fit, but it was more as positive reinforcement of what is surely a great car, than it was to offer advice. It's a killer car no matter what you choose to do with it.

GLWS

[Zedder]

Does anyone know if the auction notifies bidders when the reserve is met on BAT?

[Crush]

They do not

[BJCHEV396]

Good luck Mark.Hope you get the car you want.

[Zedder]

Thanks Crush!

Thanks too BJ! Of course I’ve had moments of seller’s remorse during the auction, but I think I am good letting it go and focussing on a driver quality car like the L78 or even an unrestored LT-1 Corvette where another chip or too won’t bother me.

[Oliver]

If the reserve is met, I would comment that the “reserve has been met”. I’ve seen a few sellers do this on auctions I’ve been bidding on and it seems to really drive the price up afterward as the bidders get motivated. Beautiful car and good luck getting the one you are after.

[Zedder]

Thanks Oliver! I'm afraid to break the rules with BAT as they are the most inflexible group I have ever worked with!!!

[napa68]

Thanks Oliver! I'm afraid to break the rules with BAT as they are the most inflexible group I have ever worked with!!!

I let everyone know. People want to know the car if for sale. Same concept of a no reserve auction without the risk.

It's completely up to you as it's your car at this point Mark.

FWIW,
Tim

[Zedder]

Thanks Tim. I mentioned that the car will be sold today in the auction.

[fastco]

Hi Mark! Down to the wire on the sale of this great car!! I'm rooting for you to get the outcome you want, with this car and the next in your car guy adventures.

[Zedder]

Thanks Paul! I really appreciate all the time that you and your guys have spent on the car! Fingers crossed that the next one is the L78 :)

[Zedder]

Well, sort of an anticlimactic ending, but my $58,000 reserve was met. I was originally at $60k, but BAT requested I lower it to generate more bids. Most interested bidders were dealers and a few people reached out saying that they loved the car, but weren’t comfortable bidding on a car in Canada. The winning bidder did reach out a number of times with questions during the auction, but he hasn’t confirmed payment etc. yet, so I’m still not sure if the deal will get done. I honestly think I’m ok either way.

Thanks for all of the positive comments here and on the auction page. I appreciate it!

[AnthonyS]

Yay! Hope it all works out! And can get that L78 too.

[Zedder]

Thanks Anthony!

[BJCHEV396]

Yay! Hope it all works out! And can get that L78 too.

X2!!

[napa68]

Well, sort of an anticlimactic ending, but my $58,000 reserve was met. I was originally at $60k, but BAT requested I lower it to generate more bids. Most interested bidders were dealers and a few people reached out saying that they loved the car, but weren’t comfortable bidding on a car in Canada. The winning bidder did reach out a number of times with questions during the auction, but he hasn’t confirmed payment etc. yet, so I’m still not sure if the deal will get done. I honestly think I’m ok either way.

Thanks for all of the positive comments here and on the auction page. I appreciate it!

They reached out and requested you to lower the reserve?

[Zedder]

Thanks BJ.

Tim, they asked me when I set the ad up.

[Crush]

While the sale is going on YOU can lower it. In addition, if the final Bid is within the agreed-upon reserve BAT will make up the difference.

[Zedder]

Yes, there is a button for lowering your reserve after the auction starts. They initially wanted me to set the reserve at $50k, but I already had an offer higher than that before contacting BAT, so I said that $58k was the lowest I would go and they immediately said ok.

The process was pretty straight forward. The only negative for me was that I provided them with a well written detailed ad and they refused to use it. They said I could add anything that I wanted in the comments after the auction started. They even refused to change the word “refurbished” to “restored”. Seriously, who calls a car ‘refurbished”?

[BJCHEV396]

Think the Brits use "refurbished".Never heard it used in here!

[Zedder]

I’ve spoken to the high bidder a couple of times this weekend. Nice guy from El Paso. He’s working on the payment and shipping details.

[BJCHEV396]

How you holding out Mark?As a lot of us know it can be stressful selling a collector car.

[Zedder]

Doing ok BJ, although I much prefer buying to selling! I guess I’m a little anxious about him not getting financing, but I do like the car a lot, so it won’t be the end of the world if it falls through. I think I expected someone to close the deal like I would have with immediate payment (the next day at the latest), but he does seem sincere, so fingers crossed!

[southernfriedcj]

Doing ok BJ, although I much prefer buying to selling! I guess I’m a little anxious about him not getting financing, but I do like the car a lot, so it won’t be the end of the world if it falls through. I think I expected someone to close the deal like I would have with immediate payment (the next day at the latest), but he does seem sincere, so fingers crossed!

People finance old cars?

You would think the guy would have had his ducks in a row before he mashed the "bid" button.

[Zedder]

With interest rates low and investment returns high, I think some are choosing to finance rather than cashing out an investment. Apparently, a company called JJ Best finances old cars in the US. I don't know if anyone in Canada offers that though.

[Zedder]

Well, no word from the high bidder at all yesterday. I have a feeling that my car will be staying in Canada for now….

[Crush]

Well, no word from the high bidder at all yesterday. I have a feeling that my car will be staying in Canada for now….

I was just talking with a guy where high bidder walked away and even had a bad CC so BAT didn’t get their 5%. He did get contact info of 2nd highest bidder and was able to work out a deal. Maybe that’s an option for you.
One other thing, I believe BAT will ban those that don’t follow through on purchase.

[Zedder]

Thanks Crush. I reached out to BAT to let them know what was happening this morning, so I expect I will hear back later today. Hopefully, this doesn't turn out to be a huge waste of time.

[BJCHEV396]

That sucks Mark.Guess bidding is easy but coming up with the $ is another matter.

[Lynn]

That really sucks. What kind of moron bids on a classic car without having funds in hand?

[scuncio]

I’ve had it happen on eBay a couple of times. Sucks, sorry to hear this Mark.

[tom406]

I haven’t dealt with JJ Best for years, but 20 years ago it seemed like they waited a couple days before flipping a coin to decide if the loan was approved or not. Hopefully he’s just waiting for them to decide his loan fate.

[SupremeDeluxe]

I had a buyer slow play me on BaT for my 67, first of all said he didn't expect to win so needed time to get the funds. I told him 3 days or I sell it to someone else. Then, he had the funds but wanted to inspect it before paying. I told him no. Finally, he acquiesced, paid me by wire, and drove overnight to get the car. In the end, it was OK. Some people just don't behave like most. He was a nervous buyer, not inherently a jerk. As much as work as it takes (I am a pretty intense person in business), I have learned to be patient to a greater extent before I lose my sh1t with people. It's a shame not everyone does business the right way, but maybe he will come through...

I kept BaT in the loop on the whole thing and they took my side all the way. Even offered to reach out to the buyer and remind him of his obligations to follow through. As quirky as BaT can be, my experiences selling and buying have been generally quite favorable.

[Zedder]

Thanks for the supportive comments guys. I think he is a genuinely nice guy who bit off more than he can chew and didn’t think the process through. I heard from him today and he has been trying to get things in order. I’ve offered to refund him $400 to pay for brokerage and will hold the car for 3 months if he gives me a deposit. Ball is in his court now…

[Lynn]

Very kind of you Mark.

Speaking of "didn't think I would win" type auctions, that has happened to me.... but I STILL didn't bid unless I had the cash. It usually just means I have to explain to Sherri why I am driving 3.5 hours (one way) to pick up something I paid $21 for; which I will be doing Friday morning when I leave the house at 3:30 a.m. I am such a dumbass. But, it is a cool Sun diagnostic machine (VAT 40) that semi matches my existing Sun machines. Its just cool.... and functional.

[AnthonyS]

Hope it all works out Mark.

[Pusher_Man]

Very kind of you Mark.

Speaking of "didn't think I would win" type auctions, that has happened to me.... but I STILL didn't bid unless I had the cash. It usually just means I have to explain to Sherri why I am driving 3.5 hours (one way) to pick up something I paid $21 for; which I will be doing Friday morning when I leave the house at 3:30 a.m. I am such a dumbass. But, it is a cool Sun diagnostic machine (VAT 40) that semi matches my existing Sun machines. Its just cool.... and functional.

I’m literally laughing out loud!

[napa68]

I looked your buyer up. As you probably know Mark, he's one of these guys that drills people about their listings and has plenty of bids that are well below the money on the given car.

I think he likes the talk the talk, with out being able to walk the walk. Hope it works out.

To Nick's point, BaT is very supportive in this respect.

Tim

[Zedder]

Yes, I did too Tim and didn't want to say too much. The $130K bid on the Mustang that sold for $200k plus was very telling to me. I think he has 190 bids during the last year all well below the selling price! BAT charged him $2,900 for my purchase, so I suspect that might curb his bidding for a while LOL!

As for the car, no response on my offer to hold the car and I just learned from the shipping company that his excuse of not being able to import the car without a valid passport is a lie, so I notified BAT this morning that the sale was not going through and sent them the emails from the guy. Apparently, BAT has a dept that looks after this sort of thing.

No matter what happens, I think a no sale might hurt a future sale as people will wonder what happened. Pisses me off to be honest. I'll see what BAT says, but if I have the option, I think I would rather keep the car and relist it next year in the Spring if I still want to sell it. I plan on getting it out this weekend for a drive. Something that I had planned to do when I bought it but never really got around to doing because of the Covid restrictions up here. When you have a car for sale and answer a bunch of questions and take pics of details etc. it really makes you appreciate a special car a little more. I know that there is no way one could restore this car for $58,000.

[olredalert]

----Feel your pain, Mark! It certainly doesn't sound even remotely like you are desperate. Probably more a storage issue. Sit on it, or maybe I should say "sit in it" and enjoy it till the spring as you say. It crossed too cheap and you need to distance yourself from that. You'll not regret it!.....Bill S

[Zedder]

Thanks Bill. You are right, I have the money and a wife that doesn’t care what I buy, so that is covered. However, we have a 3 car garage with a lift and we have 6 cars in the family. So, one of 2 daily drivers would have to hit the driveway. My wife’s is an RX350 and they get stolen regularly in our neighbourhood. So, it would be my Macan S out in the snow which doesn’t thrill me, but could happen.

BAT reached out to the second high bidder and he’d like to talk. I agree with you and think the car should have brought more. So, the price is the price as far as I am concerned.

My wife thinks I should just keep it and put some miles on it and she is probably right…but don’t tell her that I said that!

[luzl78]

Mark, Jeff in nj. I’m vaulting one of my garages to put in a lift to put my 70 Monte that Jason restored. I’d be happy to put the Camaro on top of the Monte in the climate controlled garage. I promise I wouldn’t drive it without your permission.

[Zedder]

Thanks Jeff! I appreciate the offer and will keep it in mind if I end up 30th too many cars!

[Zedder]

Final update…under bidder wanted it for $55K, so I am just going to keep it. Going for a drive tomorrow!

[Zedder]

Another update…the BAT after sales rep that I’m working with, Dave, is trying hard to make things right. He is still trying to work a deal with the original auction winner, but has assured me that they will run the car through again at no cost to me should that not work out.

Frankly, I’m indifferent at this point, but I really appreciate his attempts to get my car sold.

[Zedder]

One more update...more for those who are interested in the BAT process than those interested in the car. BAT offered to run the car again or refund my money. I thought that was fair of them (they did get paid the $2,900 BAT fees from the flakey bidder). I opted to take the refund and keep the car.

[PeteLeathersac]

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Thanks for continuing on chronicalling the whole experience for benefit of the rest of us here Mark!
All very interesting also learning too but more than anything, I'm really impressed w/ the BAT group!:flag:
:beers:
~ Pete

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[Woodrock]

One more update...more for those who are interested in the BAT process than those interested in the car. BAT offered to run the car again or refund my money. I thought that was fair of them (they did get paid the $2,900 BAT fees from the flakey bidder). I opted to take the refund and keep the car.

The best decision in my opinion, if you are able to keep it and have the room for it. I bet it would be hard to find one that matches this car's quality, for the money it would have sold for on BAT.

[Zedder]

Thanks Guys.

Woodrock, that is exactly what I am thinking. I love the car, but really want to finally get the 67 L78. So, I was selling in anticipation of that as I can really only hold 2 "fun" cars without kicking my or my wife's daily into the driveway. And let's be honest, how many "fun" cars does a guy really need :)

Anyway, I know that the condition and options on my L48 are pretty special and while small blocks don't bring great money, you couldn't come close to replicating that car for $58k. I guess I'll be parking in the driveway or storing one of the cars off-site. Again, no big deal really, just something that I guess I hadn't really considered seriously.

As for the L78, the owner just called me this afternoon to update me on the painting progress and ask me a few questions about how I wanted things done. Maybe this time it will actually make it into my garage!