Dry Ice blasting

[Charley Lillard]

Doing 2 cars at Level One Restoration.. Gary has basically set up a paint booth to do it in as it makes a lot of dust. First car up is a Chevy Luv with 75 miles on it. These are before and after. He will go back with a detail nozzle later.

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[napa68]

The mess is probably one of my biggest reservations from jumping in. The results are spectacular Charlie!

Chevy Luv? Where did you find a Luv with 75 miles?

[Too Many Projects]

The mess is probably one of my biggest reservations from jumping in. The results are spectacular Charlie!

Chevy Luv? Where did you find a Luv with 75 miles?

In a garage that the owner parked it in after discovering they didn't like it.:dunno:


For the dry ice, you could buy one of these to contain the mess, but then, how do you clean the capsule ??


https://carcapsule.com/blog/how-else-can-you-use-carcapsule-prostation/


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[Rfish]

That has to be the nicest Chevy LUV in existence!! The undercoating did its job all those years sitting…

[TimG]

Charley, you told me about this type of cleaning about a month ago and now I see exactly what you’re talking about. Wow.

[Charley Lillard]

I Google searched the Luv and found it was sold years ago by Dennis Collins(Gas Monkey) partner at auction. I think he did the undercoating then to cover up any uglyness. Who undercoats a aluminum transmission ? My understanding is a guy in New Mexico bought it new but died after driving it only 65 miles. The family kept it until Collins bought.

[cook_dw]

Love the Luv's... My father did a 400 sbc swap in a 4wd one back in the 80's. Pulled the front axle out and left the spindles, 350tb, 9" from a 60 something Ford. That thing would absolutely fly.. Nice work on this one.

[Charley Lillard]

Gary was waiting on more ice. Should finish the Luv today and then start on my Camaro. Looks like he is doing the Luv not in a booth. You can see the crud on the floor.

[napa68]

Ooooh........whaat's the 411 on the Camaro?:naughty:

[mssl72]

Ooooh........whaat's the 411 on the Camaro?:naughty:

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[Charley Lillard]

Ill start another thread.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

I have had contractors dry ice blast industrial machinery many times and have tried to justify buying a full system both for work and for home….. I haven’t bought one yet but believe this is the gamer changer technology for initial cleaning of old cars.

I was chasing Des to blast his 69 Z.

Ryan W-31

[muscle_collector]

did he show you what it does for interiors? before he bought it, he was talking to me about it and then when he got it he did a test on a sunvisor on one of my old 69 ta's, it was amazing how it turned out.

[Charley Lillard]

He has even done headliners. I want to see how the blue Comfortweave seats come out.

[STEFS]

We went through 600 pounds of dry ice in 4hours. The thicker the under coating the more ice u use . My under coating on the floor was triple that !!!!!!! I can’t believe ther doing that inside. The dust goes everywhere.

[The Boss]

did he show you what it does for interiors? before he bought it, he was talking to me about it and then when he got it he did a test on a sunvisor on one of my old 69 ta's, it was amazing how it turned out.

This is how it came out - fantastic on interiors!

[The Boss]

The before pics

[x33rs]

Wouldn't a lift outside be a better way to do that??

Looks like it makes one hell of a mess. No way I'd want to do that in my paint booth. I'd never have another paint job without dirt in it, lol.

[bergy]

WOW! that it amazing. Does anyone know of a dry ice blaster that could do car bodies close to Lancaster, PA?

[olredalert]

----When doing an interior where does the dirt go???.....Bill S

[Mr70]

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[muscle_collector]

The before pics

dang chris that got dusty from the time it left my house. i guess sitting in a body shop for a couple of years??? sure looks good now.

[chevelleheart]

That is amazing. I have to see if anyone does that up north here!

[The Boss]

dang chris that got dusty from the time it left my house. i guess sitting in a body shop for a couple of years??? sure looks good now.

Getting a little love...

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[Crush]

Where is the facility located?

[Charley Lillard]

Level One Restorations in Arvada Colorado.

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[cook_dw]

I’m impressed..

[chevelleheart]

I found a shop this morning in Calgary that does it , and I have a 69 Camaro, 30,000 miles and likely 30 years of chainsaw oil sprayed all over the undercarriage for rust proofing with mint floor pans underneath….
The guy says he’s done over 100 cars here so far…
Can’t wait to see the results.

[Mr70]

Charley,when dry icing undercoating,does it all completely fall off the car by itself,or do you have to go over it with a tool to get the remaining off?
Can you also show us pics off the garage floor,underneath the car where it all lands?
I've got a car here with about a good solid inch of undercoating,or more.

[Charley Lillard]

It all falls off. I'll get Gary to take a pic of the floor when it's a mess.

[The Boss]

I should have had them do the underside of mine too.

[Tracker1]

I have had contractors dry ice blast industrial machinery many times and have tried to justify buying a full system both for work and for home….. I haven’t bought one yet but believe this is the gamer changer technology for initial cleaning of old cars.

I was chasing Des to blast his 69 Z.

Ryan W-31

No undercoating on my car Ryan. Just rust. :)

[R68GTO]

It all falls off. I'll get Gary to take a pic of the floor when it's a mess.

Please tell me this costs a couple grand so I feel better about the hours and hours under mine with a heat gun, plastic scraper, and solvent. When you use the heat gun/scraper method, it just falls off to - in your face:no:

[Jonesy]

wow, thats pretty impressive on that blue Camaro. My 69 Z would be a great candidate for this process.

[Charley Lillard]

Yes it will cost a couple thousand. I think the going rate is 250.00-300.00 per hour. You won't know the final cost as some jobs are easier than others. Gary is expanding his business to make the blasting part of it a full time addition. I think his restoration side of the business is booked out for years but he should be able to handle new customers that need blasting work done.

[NorCam]

Wow...those results are awesome. Well worth the added costs for a low mile car such as this.

Very impressed.

[napa68]

Stunning results Charlie:biggthumpup:

[jeffschevelle]

That looks fantastic.

The trick is having someone do it that (1) is familiar with the model of cars they are working on, and where factory undercoating was (such as in the wheelhouses, and trans tunnel on some cars), and how that material differs from aftermarket undercoating, and (2) has done enough cars already to know how adjust pressures and attack angles to take off the aftermarket undercoating without removing the factory stuff beneath it (or paint beneath it, or stickers/tags, etc.).

From looking at Level One's work on a survivor car at MCACN and speaking with Gary there, and looking at these pics, it is clear that Gary's folks have the process down far better than a lot of the others I have seen. I have seen pics of other cars done by someone (whether the owner, or a generic industrial blasting company) who just nuked away and blew off most of the factory undercoating too, and other factory things that were under the Ziebart. This is much better!

[chevelleheart]

Good points

[Charley Lillard]

Off the blue car. Just the start.

[The Boss]

Interior was $1,000, well worth it in my mind - looks like new.

[Charley Lillard]

Luv is done. Everything was black before.

[carnut4life]

Wow, that looks amazing!

[69M22Z]

Yes, that looks great.

[bergy]

Really amazing! Thanks for sharing Charlie

[Big Block Bill]

Charlie,

So what protective coating (if anything) do you put on it after is is done so it doesn't flash rust? Looks awesome.

Bill

[Mr70]

I suggest.

[Charley Lillard]

I'm not sure what he uses.

[Jonesy]

Question on the Boeshield T-9 - Can you put that in a spray bottle and mist it on?? OR is it something you put on a rag and wipe it on?

[169indy]

Question on the Boeshield T-9 - Can you put that in a spray bottle and mist it on?? OR is it something you put on a rag and wipe it on?

Yup it is avail in Aerosol Cans, I find it locally at Marine Supply Stores. Great stuff

[Crush]

I use fluid film although it may not give the appearance you want and it will collect grime, which can easily be sprayed off then reapplied .

[Mr70]

Question on the Boeshield T-9 - Can you put that in a spray bottle and mist it on?? OR is it something you put on a rag and wipe it on?

Sold in both forms.

[60sStuff]

Amazing results!

I’d love to have this done to my cars and I’m not concerned about price, but I would like to find someone closer to my home in the SF Bay Area.

Charlie, does this inboard sidewall pose a concern?

[R68GTO]

That looks fantastic. Likely to become standard procedure for survivor cars.

[Charley Lillard]

OK..Here come a bunch of before and after pictures of the Camaro.

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[R68GTO]

Great bunch of pics, thanks for posting Charley. A lot of interesting details show up like where the disc brake shield sticker was, pattern of grey primer vs black primer vs body color on the underside, and the paint inspection marks on the front suspension.

[napa68]

Wow!!! What ever you spent on the process, shipping, etc........you'll get that back at least double in the value of the car. What a car!!

Thanks for sharing the process and the details after the fact!

Tim

[olredalert]

----Fantastic outcome! I was moderatly surprised at the lack of paint in certain areas of the subframe. I wonder if future restorations will incorporate any of what we see here?.....Bill S

[Mr70]

WoW!,and it took the rubberized sure-grip coating right off that FRAM oil filter.

[Charley Lillard]

I don't think they worried about that Fram filter too much.

[1967Z28]

The results look terrific on both vehicles. My maroon '67 Z is in need of having this done so I appreciate all the pics. Were the exhaust manifolds left open like that at the bottom or were they capped off during the process?

[ls6owner]

This looks terrific! I would really like to find someone closer and in Canada that I could take the L-78 Chevelle to. I'll be watching to see what Bob (chevelleheart) thinks of the folks in Calgary who do this, if he decides to go ahead.
Oliver

[grantprix]

Incredible results! Would love to have this done on my '67.

[x33rs]

Would have been neat to scale the car before and after. That's a lot of gunk gone.

[jeffschevelle]

Love it.

Notice the black rear brake drums, further proving what I have had to argue with some folks about for years, that the entire axle was painted black at the axle plant AFTER it was assembled there. I have a survivor 67 Camaro that shows the same details, as well as multiple survivor 65-67 Chevelles

And the black starter nose - blacked with a cap or mask over only the very end where the drive gear is, bare part not visible after mounted!

[Steve Shauger]

Love it.

Notice the black rear brake drums, further proving what I have had to argue with some folks about for years, that the entire axle was painted black at the axle plant AFTER it was assembled there. I have a survivor 67 Camaro that shows the same details, as well as multiple survivor 65-67 Chevelles

And the black starter nose - blacked with a cap or mask over only the very end where the drive gear is, bare part not visible after mounted!

Ditto Jeff, that is correct!!

[Charley Lillard]

Interior came out nice. He did ice blast on the comfort and steam on most everything else.

[DW31S]

Price of poker just went up on that blue Camaro! What a car!

[TimG]

That's amazing.

[cook_dw]

Holy shit.. Amazing. Speechless. Don’t touch anything else. Just preserve and walk away. May I ask to see closeups when you have it in hand of the comfort weave and the grain on the door panels.?.

[Charley Lillard]

More of the Luv.

[Mr70]

Way to show that LUV some Love.

[mssl72]

Man that ice blasting works so nice! I've gotta get that done to my Camaro sometime. Thanks for posting the pics Charlie.

[EZ Nova]

Not sure if this was ever brought up or not? But can one use this dry ice blasting to strip the body of a car with bad paint? Looking at a 78 Z28 that is badly laquor cracked paint. So I could get this done?
Thanks, John

[Lee Stewart]

Not sure if this was ever brought up or not? But can one use this dry ice blasting to strip the body of a car with bad paint? Looking at a 78 Z28 that is badly laquor cracked paint. So I could get this done?
Thanks, John

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[EZ Nova]

THANK YOU Lee. I wonder how this compares to Soda and Walnut shells for removing exterior body paint?

I have a friend who has a good size environmental company. I think last time we talked about this, he had 6 machines. Might be able to get one for 3 days here and there for some shop projects. He's the type of guy that says, "buddy, just take it and only pay for consumables!"

BUT I will be 56 next month. Might be a good wage to supplement some retirement $$$ in the somewhat near future.

[EZ Nova]

THANK YOU Lee. I wonder how this compares to Soda and Walnut shells for removing exterior body paint?

I have a friend who has a good size environmental company. I think last time we talked about this, he had 6 machines. Might be able to get one for 3 days here and there for some shop projects. He's the type of guy that says, "buddy, just take it and only pay for consumables!" I watched that video and that guys probably did that 100's of times. So even if I stayed a bit futher away and took twice as long, so be it.

BUT I will be 56 next month. Might be a good wage to supplement some retirement $$$ in the somewhat near future.

[Lee Stewart]

Keep in mind that with Dry Ice, the only thing you clean up is the blasted off paint because the Dry Ice turns to CO2 gas when it warms up. Less of a mess to clean up.

[EZ Nova]

Lee, that is exactly why I'm looking at doing this.

[Charley Lillard]

Got the Camaro back today and I think it turned out amazing.

[scuncio]

Very nice.

[mssl72]

Came out awesome!

[CamaroNOS]

Looks great, that is an amazing process.

Paul

[cook_dw]

What’s on the lift beside the blue car?

[luzl78]

What’s on the lift beside the blue car?
Looks like the 70 black chevelle with white stripes

[cook_dw]

Looks like the 70 black chevelle with white stripes


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[Charley Lillard]

My Burnished Brown 69 Z28 with 24k miles.

[cook_dw]

Is it for sale?

[67since67]

Oh man, I want this one too!! I'm not normally a fan of BB, but with white stripes and interior that is drop dead stunning!!

[grantprix]

I agree, what a great color combo!!

[1967Z28]

There was a Burnished Brown flat hood '69 Z in Santa Barbara back in the 70s with the white interior like that. I thought it looked pretty sharp.

[L72Biscayne]

That's some car porn. Just beautiful. Burnish Brown is a classy color. Looks so good with White.

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

My Burnished Brown 69 Z28 with 24k miles.
Very nice Z Charley!! Love the brown with white interior. Sits nice and low like a Z should.

[Pro Stock John]

Nice BB Z.

Looks like dry ice blasting would be a good idea on any old crusty car.

How hard is it on rubber and non-metal components?

[Charley Lillard]

It’s fine. They have even done headliners.

[luzl78]

Anybody in New Jersey doing dry ice blasting?

[Kurt S]

Several years ago, a good friend of mine told me her dad had this all-original Z. Glad it found a good home. :)

[Steve Shauger]

Dry Ice Blasting is a game changer for cars sold in the rust belt that had undercoating applied at dealer, Rusty Jones/Ziebart. The underbody results are amazing and virtually non-invasive.