Early69 RS SS 396 Camaro with goofy hubcaps

[Charley Lillard]

Got a low mile car that was Steve Shauger's years ago. 396-350 hp, 4 speed. I think it has about 24K miles on it. Orig. unrestored car. Built first two weeks of Camaro production. Odd part is the guy ordered it with Rally Wheels but it showed up with a goofy combo of XT wheels with a rally wheel center screwed to a poverty cap.

[Xplantdad]

Very nice, congrats Charley!:biggthumpup:

[AnthonyS]

HAH! That's hilarious.

[60sStuff]

Awesome Survivor, with yes goofy center caps.

That might be one-of-one, or four-of-four which equals Rare.

Neat Camaro.

PS, could we see the backside of that cap and how it’s fastened?

[tom406]

That is awesome-I saved a picture of those bastard dog dish/derby mashups when I saw this car online years ago. Low miles, deluxe interior, great color, cool history-what’s not to like! (Edit, no power steering-that’s one thing I’d probably the one thing I’d add.)

[1967Z28]

Way cooler with the slots and original style G/T Qualifiers.

[ssl78]

What are the two green wires running along the heater box and passenger fender well?

[Charley Lillard]

I haven't followed those wires yet...

[GMC_Typhoon]

I haven't followed those wires yet...It looks like one of them goes to the battery.

[Charley Lillard]

All 5 XT rims are dated August 17th 68 and the car is 09B. I'm sure the rims are orig. to the car. Trying to find anyone with a YJ Rally dated early enough for my and so far none have turned up. Rally Wheels are on the window sticker.

[markjohnson]

Man, that diameter is dead nuts on at the transition from derby to poverty cap!

[RPOLS3]

Cool car for sure - congratulations.

[60sStuff]

At least the screws are period correct with triangles.

Rotated, tilted, cleaned up, as my neck was hurting.

[tom406]

The slots are fine but that car has handmade/bespoke hubcaps. Porsche and Ferrari would charge $10k for that today. I’d make a duplicate set and run them everywhere and tell the story.

[muscle_collector]

very nice.
got a question on the chambered exhaust. i was told back in the early 80's by a guy who was into collecting camaros that the ones that came with chambered exhaust didnt have a muffler is this true or was he full of it?

[luzl78]

very nice.
got a question on the chambered exhaust. i was told back in the early 80's by a guy who was into collecting camaros that the ones that came with chambered exhaust didnt have a muffler is this true or was he full of it?
No muffler . The mufflers were the chambered tubes.

[dykstra]

Super cool Camaro! Congrats

[Jonesy]

Thats a cool car with weird hubcaps :D

I can see why the guy replaced those right away.

[CamaroNOS]

Great looking car Charley, love those funky rally wheel caps.

Paul

[msclassiccars]

Definitely interesting to say the least.

Curious if it happened with any others and the story/hubcaps were just lost in translation over the years.

Thanks for sharing!

[MosportGreen66]

Very cool and thanks for sharing. I love that the hubcaps and slots have been kept together with the car!

[NorCam]

Very nice car Charlie. Nice to see that it has remained unmolested and is so original. The caps/covers are quite interesting in that the outer dimensions of the cap seems to integrate perfectly with the cover. Ingenuity did prevail back in the day, as in...find some kind of work around and get this car delivered!

Would like to see some pics of the underside when you can? Thanks

[Charley Lillard]

I started another thread on dry ice blasting and they should start on this car today. It had been undercoated but years ago it was partially cleaned off.

[EZ Nova]

Charlie, nice car. PLEASE update these last 3 pictures after dry ice. That could be the twin to the front end of my '69 Nova SS396 L34 car. Might have to look more into that....

Thank You, John

[olredalert]

----If I was a betting man I'd put my money on a brief shortage of Rally's. Great car, Charley! Can't wait to see the undercarriage after dry ice!.....Bill S

[Lynn]

Guessing this has already been bounced around on CRG.

Pretty easy question: what is the earliest known YJ Rally wheel date?

Answer may not be so easy.

[Charley Lillard]

I asked on CRG and so far there is nobody that knows of a YJ Rally Wheel dated early enough for this car. 69 was the first need for a 14x7 Rally. All 5 XT rims are orig. paint and dated the same. If it had just come with XT's with poverty caps like a base SS or COPO the rims would have been body color.

[Steve Shauger]

This car absolutely came with the dated XT rims painted silver. The spare even has a job# and the silver paint is original. As Charley stated there are no earlier built cars with YJ date rims. I debated this with John Z and many others years ago. If you research, you will find threads just on the wheel /hubcap configuration.

What I am amazed at, is how the rally cap top was mounted onto the dog dish. Who the heck would have taken the time and effort to make this work. For those unaware an XT rim will not accommodate a rally cap which is why the goofy caps were configured.

Here's the original write-up I did on the car....

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=80469

[scuncio]

I also wonder what actually happened here. Was this a special cap made in the Design Center model shop or what? How was this the sanctioned workaround versus simply crediting the dealer for the rally wheel option that couldn't be fulfilled? So strange.

Awesome car, BTW.

[William]

There are 6 Camaro SS listed in the CRG db built prior to this car [Sep 23, 1968] listed as having been built with ZJ7. Sorry, no dates but one entry is noted as having its original spare. N508223 is stated as having 5 original XT paint wheels, dated 8-17-68. Hard to believe Norwood would have a 37-day supply of wheels in on-hand inventory; wheels are relatively simple to manufacture and the suppliers were close to the plant. If there truly was a stock out of 14 x 7 rally wheels, SS orders specified with that option would not have been scheduled for production. Option shortages are noted in dealer communications throughout the model year. Dealer orders specifying the option are delayed or cancelled.

So what happened?

I think N508223 was built as ordered and the wheels stolen, probably at the dealership. As the car was a customer order, a dealer stock Cortez Silver Camaro SS gave up its 5 wheels so N508223 could be delivered. Since the caps and trim rings were shipped in the trunk, it was a simple matter to get creative.

Chevrolet had nothing to do with those hub caps.

Just my 2¢.

[GearheadSS]

I love it!!

[scuncio]

William, your explanation is plausible to me. Can't imagine any possible scenario where Chevrolet would invent something like this to plug a gap...the production volumes in this era were so high that it wouldn't have made sense to rework a single vehicle unless it was something destined for press usage, shows, etc.

[Charley Lillard]

There are 6 Camaro SS listed in the CRG db built prior to this car [Sep 23, 1968] listed as having been built with ZJ7. Sorry, no dates but one entry is noted as having its original spare. N508223 is stated as having 5 original XT paint wheels, dated 8-17-68. Hard to believe Norwood would have a 37-day supply of wheels in on-hand inventory; wheels are relatively simple to manufacture and the suppliers were close to the plant. If there truly was a stock out of 14 x 7 rally wheels, SS orders specified with that option would not have been scheduled for production. Option shortages are noted in dealer communications throughout the model year. Dealer orders specifying the option are delayed or cancelled.

So what happened?

I think N508223 was built as ordered and the wheels stolen, probably at the dealership. As the car was a customer order, a dealer stock Cortez Silver Camaro SS gave up its 5 wheels so N508223 could be delivered. Since the caps and trim rings were shipped in the trunk, it was a simple matter to get creative.

Chevrolet had nothing to do with those hub caps.

Just my 2¢.
Except apparently we have been looking for any YJ Rally's dated early enough for the car since 2005 and so far none have shown up.

[Steve Shauger]

William the proof is the car and how it left with silver painted XT wheels.



All 5 XT wheels are dated 8/17
The wheels have factory silver paint not body color.
Original tires not dismounted from rim except 1.


I forget the rpo but it could have come with XT with trim rings and dogdish caps. But still wouldnt match the ordered rally wheels called on the window sticker.


I am convinced this car came with the XT wheels trim ring and dog dish. I question who would go to lengths to mount those rally tops to the dogdish caps?



Btw that picture of the original owner Gerry Nelson holding the wheel with the goofy cap was taken July 2000, and there is audio confirming he picked the car up with those wheels. He states he soon after installed the slots. In addition he removed the chambered exhaust and installed transverse system.

[William]

I'm confident they exist, since we have noted early production Camaro SS built with ZJ7.

Do you really think they all had XTs with home-made hub caps?

I do not believe N508223 was built with those wheels and hub caps. We will have to agree to disagree.

[Pro Stock John]

Someone took real time to mount those up and make sure they were centered, if only those caps could talk.

[Steve Shauger]

I'm confident they exist, since we have noted early production Camaro SS built with ZJ7.

Do you really think they all had XTs with home-made hub caps?

I do not believe N508223 was built with those wheels and hub caps. We will have to agree to disagree.


No, believe this car left the factory with XT wheels and trim rings. Something happened and this information / opinion was shared and obviously we agree to disagree. There is no disputing this car is as original as they come and and the facts speak for themselves.


Look 20 plus years later the mystery continues and everyones conclusions are welcome....

[carnut4life]

Beautiful survivor Charley. Are there any pictures of it out there with the rally caps on the XT wheels? Maybe it came from the factory with XT wheels for whatever reason with the rally caps in the trunk and someone at the dealership got creative and put them on before the OO picked it up since he's paid the extra $35.85 for the rally wheels? Bet whoever did it never thought we'd be debating something like this 53 years later..lol..

[olredalert]

----I have lost my bet. Good thing nobody took me up on it!....Bill S

[markjohnson]

Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong but I vaguely remember the Lemans Blue 1969 Rally Sport ZL1 having silver-painted XT’s for many years. Am I remembering that correctly?

[x44d80]

Awesome car and thread. I wonder about the owner paying 35.00 which today is 265.00 in today's dollars and knowing what Ralley wheels look like and getting those wheels. Wheels and tire always are the most important asset that either makes or breaks a car's visual impact.

[William]

Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong but I vaguely remember the Lemans Blue 1969 ZL1 having silver-painted XT’s for many years. Am I remembering that correctly?

No.

There were 12 Le Mans blue ZL-1s built, none having silver XT wheels.

XT wheels were painted to match the car if wheel covers were not ordered, black if they were. It is noted on both BCs. Camaros built with the P06 trim ring option had body color wheels. The paint used was enamel, not lacquer as used on the body.

[Charley Lillard]

The 5 rims are orig. paint silver. So It seems to me in William’s train of thought there must have been a Silver SS on the lot that had these on it but the buyer wanted the Rally’s that were on this car so they swapped them and then went thru the work to add trim rings and modify the center caps perfectly just to make the silver car buyer happy. Why not just cobble the wheels that were already on the silver car ?

[markjohnson]

No.

There were 12 Le Mans blue ZL-1s built, none having silver XT wheels.

XT wheels were painted to match the car if wheel covers were not ordered, black if they were. It is noted on both BCs. Camaros built with the P06 trim ring option had body color wheels. The paint used was enamel, not lacquer as used on the body.

This was the car I’m thinking of I just forgot to mention RS. It even looks to have trim rings.

[DW31S]

The 5 rims are orig. paint silver. So It seems to me in William’s train of thought there must have been a Silver SS on the lot that had these on it but the buyer wanted the Rally’s that were on this car so they swapped them and then went thru the work to add trim rings and modify the center caps perfectly just to make the silver car buyer happy. Why not just cobble the wheels that were already on the silver car ?

That’s not how I interpreted what he wrote…I gathered from his remarks that he thinks the Rallies that were originally on the Blue car were stolen and the XTs from a Silver stock unit were taken off the Silver car and then installed on the Blue car and made to look like the Rally wheels that were missing from the Blue car.

[Charley Lillard]

Your right. I forgot about the stolen theory.

[Steve Shauger]

To add to the mystery, Gerry's (OO) father inlaw was a salesman/manager at the dealership. Gerry was in Vietnam when the car was ordered. He was a tech controller and had the ability to communicate with his father inlaw directly. What he said was upon the cars arrival the car was placed indoors and covered in a building at the dealership. Anything is possible, but how plausible???

This was a small dealership not known as a high-performance dealer and someone went to great lengths to somewhat convert the XT's to Rallys.

As noted when I originally posted this anomaly, Gerry was not pleased and switched to the slots.

The mystery continues....

[x33rs]

I think it's neat. If it were mine I'd put the original wheels back on the car and let the people talk :grin:

I have 14x7 rallys stored in the shed. Now you have me curious, I'll have to dig them out and check dates.

[Charley Lillard]

I was gonna put them on but they just look too stupid so I will just keep a hubcap in the trunk.

[x33rs]

lol

[lowmile]

Great fun to try and put the pieces of the puzzle together, Here is my shot. No way it left GM that way. Dealership had this Camaro and one other silver Camaro. Customer comes in and wants silver car but wants rally's off of the blue car. Billy Bob from the service dpt swaps them out. Now its time to deliver blue car, no replacement rally's available yet from GM. Billy bob to sales manger, "Hold my beer, I got this boss."

[Steve Shauger]

I'd love to see a car with YJ coded rally wheels dated 8/17 or earlier. That would be a great piece to the puzzle. With out any examples supporting that then the swapping wheel scenario is not plausible.

[Pro Stock John]

His father in law had those made, he was at the dealer.

I think they look okay actually.

[MarcDant]

Would it not had been easier for his father in law to order these rims in the pic below, they would look identical to the yj wheel. Just slap the cap on & bobs your uncle.Hell a war vetern deserves better than that. Dealerships are more professional than that. The wheels look like they came off of ben hurs chariot.Vary nice early camaro non the less.

[cook_dw]

I'd love to see a car with YJ coded rally wheels dated 8/17 or earlier. That would be a great piece to the puzzle. With out any examples supporting that then the swapping wheel scenario is not plausible.


As I commented on CRG. The earliest I have seen of YJ's is 10/19/68. This would have been a good question for Phil to ask the Norwood dinner to see if any of them remembered doing this at the plant.

[jeffschevelle]

I don't know what happened, but the theft theory would not explain the matching spare, with the same date, and also with same original silver paint, the same type tire, and a factory job number on it.

More likely scenario, IMO, is it was delivered with silver XT's, trim rings, and dog dishes, and the dealer added the rally centers to the dog dishes. Just a guess, but works with the spare tire better than the theft theory.

[William]

I was around back in the day, had friends that worked at dealerships. Swapping wheels & tires was common. They knew enough to also swap out the spare.

[70 copo]

As I commented on CRG. The earliest I have seen of YJ's is 10/19/68. This would have been a good question for Phil to ask the Norwood dinner to see if any of them remembered doing this at the plant.

If Steve or Charley want me to chime in I will be happy to help.

[Pro Stock John]

Most likely done at dealer to fancy up the hubcaps.

[1903USMCUnertl]

Just my thoughts having worked for a couple of GM and 1 Ford dealer in the early 1990's in retail sales, fleet sales and retail/fleet management

I have seen all sorts of mix ups... options listed and never added to the vehicle at the plant, options added at the plant which were never ordered, trucks with both GMC and Chevrolet badging, Camaros and Corvettes with obvious body damage repaired BEFORE the cars hit the lot...and countless other issues..

When it comes to customer ordered cars dealers will "do what it takes" to facilitate a delivery...after all the customer has been waiting for their car and no dealer wants to lose a sale on a special ordered unit. and be stuck with it...where it hits your floorplan. I personally have pulled grilles and badges off one car to go on another, changed wheels and tire combinations, added options which should have been there from the factory, etc...all in the interest of saving a sale.

My guess is the car was ordered with Rally's, but a supply chain issue prevented the option from being added to the car...in their place XT wheels were added.. the wheels could have been added due to theft and the need to put wheels and tires on the car for a sale...

As far as the rally caps being on the XT center...that SCREAMS dealership ingenuity to facilitate a sale...a GM or sales manager will again "do what it takes," and some quick thinking...and smooth talking..."hey it will be unique and 1 of 1 (used it before) goes a long ways...

No dealer wants to lose margin and often will find the cheapest and quickest way to get a sale over the curb....much less expensive to use XT wheels and add a rally center...than order new wheels and trim...not to mention having the Service Dept hit your deal for labor...lol

I'd bet that was the case here...

[jeffschevelle]

Was 1969 rally wheel silver paint the same color mix as 1969 Cortez Silver wheel paint? I know 1967 rally wheel paint is a very different hue (darker and lower gloss) than Cortez Silver. Don't know if that was still true in 69 though.

If they were two different color mixes, then if the paint on these wheels is Cortez Silver that would support the theory they left the factory on a Cortez Silver dog-dish car. But if they are 69 rally wheel silver, that would support a factory substitution for unavailable rallies.

[AnthonyS]

^. Just what I was scrolling through to see if it was asked! I’m curious too.

Argent or Cortez silver?

[dvss1]

Theres a 6-19 xj rally in the for sale section.

[Charley Lillard]

Theres a 6-19 xj rally in the for sale section.
???

[Lynn]

Would need to be 6-8 to predate this car.

[Charley Lillard]

What is a XJ ?

[CamaroNOS]

What are the two green wires running along the heater box and passenger fender well?

Charley......did you ever figure out the great mystery to this question?

Paul

[Charley Lillard]

Waiting to hear from Gary...

[Steve Shauger]

John,

The original owner installed gauges aftermarket tach and gauges and bet those wires are for the amp gauge. I owned the car 16 years but not 100% sure... about 95% :grin:

[NorCam]

Steve, not to digress, but do you still own that Cortez Silver 69 at this time?

[Steve Shauger]

Steve, not to digress, but do you still own that Cortez Silver 69 at this time?


No that was part of the deal to buy this site. Charley owns that car. I don't know what was I thinking :)

[Jonesy]

Theres a 6-19 xj rally in the for sale section.

That was a YJ 14x7 ralley wheel and it was dated 6-19-1969

[Charley Lillard]

I'm looking for a YJ made August 68 or close. None found yet.

[camarojoe]

Probably weren't any 14x7 rally wheels available yet, (which is why you can't find any dated that early) so any SS cars that had rally wheels ordered instead got silver painted 14x7 XT's with dog dish caps and trim rings...which was the closest the factory could provide for a 'rally" type wheel treatment without actually having the 14x7 rally wheels available, and to keep production moving. The dealer knew the guy wanted rallys and added the derby tops to the dog dish caps before delivery hoping the buyer wouldn't notice they weren't the rally wheels he ordered.

I believe the silver wheels, trim rings, and dog dish caps all are original to this blue car, nothing was stolen, and no "Cortez Silver SS car with XT wheels" was part of the mix...but there is no way they screwed those derby tops to the hubcaps on the assembly line. You're kidding yourself if you think they had someone at the factory taking rally wheel center cap parts and screwing them to dog dish hubcaps. That was done at the dealership. That's also why no other cars with this setup have ever been found, photographed, or heard about.

[camarojoe]

If it had just come with XT's with poverty caps like a base SS or COPO the rims would have been body color.

Not if trim rings were used, the wheels would be painted silver, just as the ones on this car are.

[Charley Lillard]

I agree it most likely came with the trim rings and dog dish caps. But owner states it came new with the goofy caps. The goofy caps are mounted perfectly with no extra holes drilled where they messed up etc. We will never know for sure what happened.

[70 copo]

There are several living production superintendents who can shed light on the idea of this hub cap mod being a factory activity.

If you like I can get you as close to the truth as one can get.

[Steve Shauger]

Just to add, the wheels were definitely painted argent silver, NOT cortez silver. I've always believed it came as pictured below and think it looks better than with rallys!

[Jonesy]

I also like the added trim ring with poverty cap look.
What determine if you got the trim ring or not? style trim?

3934892 would be the correct trim ring for the XT wheel with poverty cap.

[camarojoe]

I also like the added trim ring with poverty cap look.
What determine if you got the trim ring or not? style trim?

3934892 would be the correct trim ring for the XT wheel with poverty cap.

Pretty sure trim rings were a separate option. if you ordered them without any other wheel option, you got silver painted wheels and dog dish caps. Had nothing to do with style trim, those cars still got body colored wheels and no rings unless rings were ordered.

[camarojoe]

Just to add, the wheels were definitely painted argent silver, NOT cortez silver. I've always believed it came as pictured below and think it looks better than with rallys!

Yep, that's how the car looked until someone at the dealership added the derby tops to the poverty caps before delivery to try to make them look like the rallys the owner ordered and was expecting when he got there to pick up his new car.

[Charley Lillard]

Maybe someone will come up with documentation at some point stating to substitute the XT with trim ring and COPO type cap until 14x7 YJ Rally's are produced.

[Unreal]

Yep, that's how the car looked until someone at the dealership added the derby tops to the poverty caps before delivery to try to make them look like the rallys the owner ordered and was expecting when he got there to pick up his new car.

So, you’re thinking the error at the factory was that the correct argent wheels for rally’s were installed, but they mistakenly included poverty caps, rather than derbys and trim rings? Wonder why the dealer didn’t order the correct derby’s and trim rings?
And if the other speculation is correct that the car arrives at the dealer with the correct rally’s, and a salesman ‘borrowed” them for another car, why weren’t replacements ordered?

[Charley Lillard]

A derby will not attach to a XT wheel. These are not Rally Wheels.

[camarojoe]

So, you’re thinking the error at the factory was that the correct argent wheels for rally’s were installed, but they mistakenly included poverty caps, rather than derbys and trim rings? Wonder why the dealer didn’t order the correct derby’s and trim rings?
And if the other speculation is correct that the car arrives at the dealer with the correct rally’s, and a salesman ‘borrowed” them for another car, why weren’t replacements ordered?

No, I believe the factory didn't yet have 14x7 rally wheels available when this car was produced, so they substituted the standard 14x7 steel wheels with trim rings. When trim rings were ordered on standard steel wheels, the wheels were painted silver at the factory. (as these are) The factory shipped it with the silver wheels/trim rings with standard dog dish caps, and the dealer got the brainstorm to add the derby tops to the hubcaps to try to make the wheels look like the rally wheels the customer ordered but did not get. i don't believe any wheels were swapped from anything, the wheels it has are what it was built with, and derby tops were screwed to the base hubcaps at the dealership prior to delivery.

[Kurt S]

Not if trim rings were used, the wheels would be painted silver, just as the ones on this car are.
Trim rings would not change the color of the wheel. They would still be body-colored.

[Steve Shauger]

Trim rings would not change the color of the wheel. They would still be body-colored.

That is correct if it left factory with wheels configured with P06/trim rings. These wheels are painted argent silver like a rally wheel. The fact remains after discussing this there are two opinions:

One opinion is it couldn't have left the factory with XT wheels painted argent silver with trim rings as a substitution due to YJ rallys unavailable that early. 20 years have passed and YJ rallys dated for the build date of this car have not been found.

or

XT wheel substitution was made at the factory due to availability, and the wheels were configured to somewhat replicate a rally.

To me(opinion) the bottom line is these are the wheels that it came from the factory. They were painted argent silver with trim rings.

All of us would love to solve this anomaly.

[luzl78]

Time to hitch a ride with Marty mcfly

[70 copo]

Time to hitch a ride with Marty mcfly

Or simply ask one of the "Doc Browns" who were there and managed the factory.:biggthumpup:

[muscle_collector]

i am going to assume that camaro and firebird kinda followed the same build, so i have owned numerous 69 trans ams over the years and a few (3 or 4) still had the original plain steel wheels with their dog dish hubcaps on them. everyone of them also had trim rings on them. a couple of them i bought from the original owners and i asked about the trim rings and they said they were on them when they bought the car off the dealer lot. so my question is did the dealers throw the rings on them to make them look better or did they actually come from the factory with them????

[Charley Lillard]

I think they came that way from the factory. If they had not I think the rims would have been blue body color.

[muscle_collector]

if you had a buildsheet would it show the trim rings or would that be just a default build when it showed the XT rims? im really curious as i have a couple of 69 ta's that came with the regular wheels and poverty caps.

[Charley Lillard]

A 69 SS without optional Rally Wheels would just have XT rims painted body color and the center cap only. No trim rings.

[Pusher_Man]

Very cool thread I hadn’t read until now. I love weird, “incorrect” things the factories did on these old cars. Just reiterates that imperfect cars were being made by imperfect people who were just working for a living, not making 1000 point cars to be judged.

I think I’d probably have to put the “weird” wheel setup on the car, be that the goofy caps or the dog dishes. That’s what makes a killer survivor car the special car that it is, but that’s just me. Charley, thanks for sharing.

[Kurt S]

Trim rings were available on any 69 Camaro without hubcaps as RPO P06.
I don't know if they were included or optional on Firebirds.
http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#wcovers

[cook_dw]

Hey Charley could you please check the underside of your console lid is either flocked or not flocked?


http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=19715.new#new

[Charley Lillard]

It’s flocked

[Charley Lillard]

Cleaning up nicely.

[olredalert]

----That blue deluxe gut is so cool, Charley!!! They repop blue floor mats. Might look really good.....Bill S

[MosportGreen66]

I like the Sun Tach in console. Nice touch. Cool day2 ride

[67since67]

I love this Camaro!! :Can-I-Have-It:

[napa68]

:Can-I-Have-It:

[cook_dw]

Back to the wheel discussion. Can you roll one of the wheels that came on the car and sit it next to a Argent Silver rally to compare to see if its Cortez or Argent? Still don't recall whether or not this was confirmed.


And thank you for posting the console lid photo.

[Charley Lillard]

The green wires above the heater box are for the amp gauge. Goes from the small wire off the positive post of the battery,thru the gauge and then to the power block behind the battery.

[Charley Lillard]

Just noticed the routing of the windshield washer hose and had the chuckle. Steve said it was like that when he had it. I’ll just leave it for conversation.

[Charley Lillard]

Back to the wheel discussion. Can you roll one of the wheels that came on the car and sit it next to a Argent Silver rally to compare to see if its Cortez or Argent? Still don't recall whether or not this was confirmed.


And thank you for posting the console lid photo.

Here is the original spare out of the 25k mile Ss and the orig spare out of the 24k mile Z28. Same Argent silver.

[cook_dw]

Whelp at least that answers that. Thank you



One more question. Do you or Steve know if the heater hoses are originals? First time I've seen GM logo on both. Very cool car. You suck.:beers:

[CamaroNOS]

The green wires above the heater box are for the am gauge. Goes from the small wire off the positive post of the battery,thru the gauge and then to the power block behind the battery.

Thanks Charley.....now I can finally get some sleep....

Paul

[Charley Lillard]

I think Steve put the top heater hose on 20 years ago.

[mssl72]

Just noticed the routing of the windshield washer hose and had the chuckle. Steve said it was like that when he had it. I’ll just leave it for conversation.

That actually is RPO HW01, super-duper rarer than hens teeth Hot Washer option! :smirk:

[dykstra]

Way cool car!

[Steve Shauger]

I purchased the car from Bob Cobb in 1999. He purchased from original owner Gerald Nelson in 1981. I made contact with Jerry and agreed to bring the car to a show at the Monmouth County Fair he was hosting as the Parks Commissioner the same year.

I took this picture and had him explain the hideous hub caps. I have a wave file of him telling the story of the hub caps(can't seem to get it to play). The other picture is with the dog dish caps with Uniroyal Tiger Paws which is my favorite look for the car.... The last picture is circa 1980.

[Charley Lillard]

I kinda like it.

[70 copo]

It's about time. If you like the look, then enjoy it. They are part of the car's history.

[Salvatore]

I like the white on the front fender extension.

[William]

I like the white on the front fender extension.

1st design D90 lasted until early November '68.

[Jonesy]

My 11B Van Nuys also has the extended stripe. Thats car is looking really sharp Charlie no matter what wheels are on it!!

[Tracker1]

In the vein of this thread, I have never seen a '69 Camaro with this style of wheel cover pictured here. They look like full-size Chevrolet car items.

[markjohnson]

Here’s another example of trim rings on what appear to be XT wheels. Pretty sure I recall the Lemans Blue ‘69 RS ZL1 Camaro wearing the same wheels in old photos.

[markjohnson]

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[Thomas]

Here’s another example of trim rings on what appear to be XT wheels. Pretty sure I recall the Lemans Blue ‘69 RS ZL1 Camaro wearing the same wheels in old photos.

I have the 5 original rims for my stripper L78. The GM docs shop dog dish hubcaps, but every rim also shows traces of having a trim ring installed.

[MarcDant]

I have the 5 original rims for my stripper L78. The GM docs shop dog dish hubcaps, but every rim also shows traces of having a trim ring installed.

Some were orderd with rpo. P06 some were not like this camaro i owned. heres the oshawa ca. production records.( po6 not ordered).

[Formula455SD]

In the vein of this thread, I have never seen a '69 Camaro with this style of wheel cover pictured here. They look like full-size Chevrolet car items.

I have seen several Novas with that style wheel cover.

[Thomas]

Some were orderd with rpo. P06 some were not like this camaro i owned. heres the oshawa ca. production records.( po6 not ordered).

My docs clearly state that it did not come with trim rings from the factory.

[Tracker1]

I have seen several Novas with that style wheel cover.

Yes, for sure.

[RSR]

Any pics of that 53 year old black tail panel?

[Charley Lillard]

………

[COPO]

Looks pretty glossy.

[Charley Lillard]

As they usually do. :biggthumpup:

[RSR]

Thanks Charlie..Just as I suspected it to be.

[Pro Stock John]

So with all the evidence out there, still look like this hubcap modification was done at the dealer since no other examples exist?

[Charley Lillard]

No idea. Orig. owner swears that is how the dealer got it.