Went to the really really dark side…

[Charley Lillard]

Had both on order for quite awhile and ended up getting both in the last week and a half.
Lucid Air Dream # 414, 1111 hp…simply amazing.
Rivian R1T 835 hp

Have only had the Rivian for a day so not much to say yet.
The Lucid I’ve put a couple hundred miles on and just stepping on the go pedal makes me giggle. I have never driven anything that accelerates so smoothly and this thing is a rocket. What a amazing car for a first time manufacturer.

[Charley Lillard]

…..

[Big Block Bill]

Congratulations Charley on your new toys. I know what you mean by the "Go" pedal, I just got my first ride in a Tesla Plaid edition in Drag mode, words can not explain the force it puts on your body on acceleration. Scary Fast!

Bill

[KevinW]

Congrats Charlie!

I have been watching the Rivian for quite a while now, just not enough $$ in the bank for the switch, plus current driver only has 35K miles, too soon to let it go.

[TimG]

Wow, I’d like to see that in real life. I’m tempted.

[Xplantdad]

How cow, cool!:biggthumpup:

[tom406]

Really well done video review that actually talks about both, but mostly describes why the Lucid is such a superhero landing for a new manufacturer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxuB4H6uCq8

[70 copo]

The garage looks kind of empty, do you have your muscle cars in another building?

[Crush]

My son test drove a lucid from SF to LA. Toured the factory, met the CEO etc.. he was very impressed and this is a guy that gets to drive everything. I’m curious to see how they hold up in the long run.

[Steve Shauger]

This was the title you posted on a previous thread: I never said I was smart., but should have been the title of this thread!!! Only ribbing you a bit! Congratulation on two amazing vehicles.....

[Charley Lillard]

The garage looks kind of empty, do you have your muscle cars in another building?


Other stuff is in clean building where nothing gets worked on. This is a corner of the work shop where also nothing seems to be getting worked on.

[Charley Lillard]

Remember how fast slot cars were. Lucid is like that. No shifts, just straight acceleration. I have a friend that does track days in his Porsche GT2 RS, Ferrari's etc and he recently bought a Tesla Plaid. Then he bought another. He lowered them and changed the rims. Posted online that they are now the most fun cars he has

[MosportGreen66]

Both look great and congrats! My buddy just got a Plaid SUV and said it's bonkers fast... his last DD was a '18 X3M and he's no stranger to fast cars.

[njsteve]

Slot cars? You got an idea there!

Why dont they make them like the old Aurora AFX cars with separate chassis and bodies so we can swap bodies whenever we want. Remember when you were a kid? I think I had all the AFX Trans Am series cars and the wing cars that I would just find the fastest chassis and then put the coolest body on it and have fun.

[Tenney]

Cool, Charley - jump 'em! All the kids are doin' it ...!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-zeSEOanvI&t=15s

[dykstra]

Congrats! If only they could pipe in solid lifter cam sounds??

[olredalert]

----Both good looking! I hope you will let us know the towing capacity Of the Rivian when you can.....Bill S

[Charley Lillard]

Says up to 11000 lbs.

[olredalert]

----Wow!.....Bill S

[Charley Lillard]

Finally was smart enough to try the Rivian in Sport Mode. It also is a giggle machine.

[markinnaples]

Both pretty incredible vehicles. Please continue to post your experiences Charley, as I am sure I'm not the only one interested in how they do on a day-to-day basis, and in the long run. Congrats on being an early adopter of both.

[TimG]

I had that Chaparell Camaro slot car, Steve, that was my favorite.

A friend from Daytona picked me up at Mecum Kissimee in a Tesla Plaid and we did stiplight accelleration runs for an hour. My head hurt from banging against the headrest so many times. The strange thing is no noise, a cop could be in front of you and wouldn't hear you taking off.

[grantprix]

Cool... you should get a real charge out of driving those!

[Tenney]

Syclone cameo - bringin' the wooden 'coaster ...!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acSdPy38XKU

[Charley Lillard]

11.6 @111 lol

[Z282NV]

11.6 @111 lol

You should give it a try Charley and see if it is as advertised!:3gears::3gears:

[Charley Lillard]

Oh I have and it launches hard but not as hard as the Lucid.

[prototype]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acSdPy38XKU

Embarassing for a petrol head.....but I'm still a petrol head!!!!

[McCune]

The Petrol guys that hate EVs can still get out of the car or truck after losing the race and say, Mine makes more noise!

[Tenney]

Vinyl's still rock 'n roll!

[prototype]

Vinyl's still rock 'n roll!

Sorry Tenney....missed yours.

Yup vinyl does still rock!

My hopes are Charley is silly enough to duplicate the video......I just hope he doesn't make fun of one of our muscle cars.

[Billohio]

How is the fit and finish on these vehicles from small manufacturers? Scares me a bit if I would ever need parts

[Charley Lillard]

Fit and finish seems great. I have a tiny piece of rubber trim on the Lucid that they are going to come out and replace even though I suggested just using better glue on this one. Rivian had a piece of loose door weatherstrip that I popped back in.

[Tenney]

Sorry Tenney....missed yours.

Yup vinyl does still rock!

My hopes are Charley is silly enough to duplicate the video......I just hope he doesn't make fun of one of our muscle cars.

Not a prob - watched it again!

Soccer mom in minivan = "Ringer" ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfUlV0Woxuo

[useless tony]

Speaking of electric cars ...

Private golf club. Member is speaking with director of golf operations. Members phone rings during conversation ... it's Tesla asking if he is Ok. Seems Tesla was notified of his car being in an accident. Member explained that he was fine, his car was in the parking lot of the golf club.


What triggered the accident notification? Two valets wrote off the car and put themselves in hospital.

[Pro Stock John]

Friend has a plaid, 9.3's in the 1/4 all stock.

Just saw a Rivian in the wild, first one. Nice looking truck.

[Charley Lillard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4QyVnsklSk

[markinnaples]

Charley, Have you tested the range of the Lucid yet?
Really interested to see if it lives up to that claim in the real world, and what is the recharging times? I suffer from range anxiety as I frequently drive longer distances.

[Charley Lillard]

Under normal driving it will probably do 400+ miles on a charge on the 1111 hp model but I'm having so much fun lead footing it the range is probably closer closer to 300. If you are going to go on a trip you can enter where you are going and the car will show you all the charge points along the way and suggest when to charge. This car will take 900 volt charging that will add 300 miles range in 20 minutes if you are at the right charge station. This is all very new to me but OMG this is so much fun. I'll look for the review where they tested it to see if the range claim was true and it was.

[Charley Lillard]

https://insideevs.com/reviews/562511/lucid-air-range-test-record/

[Tenney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O6kD5cBTOw

[Billohio]

I saw the video, Charley what do you think of the all glass roof? Surely that would make it hot inside. Pretty cool though

[markinnaples]

Thanks for posting that article Charley. The fact that they got 500 miles from it at a near constant 70 mph is really impressive. That thing is a game changer for people like me who never wanted to deal with the short range issues.

[Charley Lillard]

I saw the video, Charley what do you think of the all glass roof? Surely that would make it hot inside. Pretty cool though
It has a coating that blocks the heat.

[Charley Lillard]

Good video of the different Rivian drive settings.


https://stories.rivian.com/drive-modes?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm=&utm_source=sfmc&utm_term=newsletter&utm_business=b2c&utm_content=march&utm_locale=en-us&utm_audience=owner&mcrid=

[Charley Lillard]

I live in Ca. where there are plenty of charging stations so I'm sure there will be more electric cars on the road as time goes on but no idea how people in the rural parts of the country will be able to access the electricity needed. I'm a car guy and thought Tesla was stupid but after driving hipo electric vehicles I would not buy another gas only vehicle except for long trips until they speed up the charge networks...

[Pro Stock John]

There are a number of companies deploying charging solutions, a mix of OEMs and 3rd party. For example ChargePoint and EVgo are two national players. VW has Electrify America. From what I've seen the charging players are logically targeting urban areas (big cities) but also look at popular roadways where it can make sense. It's a neat scene, I am a headhunter and we cover power / renewable energy and expanding into EV.

But yeah rural areas will be last.

[Z282NV]

I live in Ca. where there are plenty of charging stations so I'm sure there will be more electric cars on the road as time goes on but no idea how people in the rural parts of the country will be able to access the electricity needed. I'm a car guy and thought Tesla was stupid but after driving hipo electric vehicles I would not buy another gas only vehicle except for long trips until they speed up the charge networks...

How long does it take to charge Charley? I have heard anywhere from 20 to 120 minutes depending on how low the battery is and the kW rating of the charger. Can you imagine waiting that long to charge your vehicle if you are in cue waiting to hook up? I would also be interesting to know how much battery capacity drops as a function of the load being towed.

I think right now EV's make sense if you can charge at home all the time and use them around town. For long trips or living out in the sticks you better have a plan.

[olredalert]

----Admitedly, I live in the country, but I'm only 50 minutes from Detroit and I have not seen any sign of a charging station anywhere. Have seen a few Tesla's but I,m thinking they are just out for a jaunt up the river sightseeing. Probably from the tonier suburbs......Bill S

[Charley Lillard]

Out here you can't burp without seeing a Tesla. You don't want to race a Tesla Plaid. I have no experience yet using charging stations other than charging at home overnight. Plugs into a 220 50 amp 14-50 plug and I'm fully charged in about 8 hours. The charge stations on the road vary in output. Lucid is setup to take up to the new 900 volt charge and can add 300 miles range in 20 minutes.

[olredalert]

----Charley,,,I'm sure there have probably been no fire experiences with either of your new rides, but do you have even a hint of worry about charging inside a garage? Not trying to be negative, but I don't know how I would feel after seeing some of those other manufacturers. The ones with problems (GM and I think,Tesla).....Bill S

[Mr70]

Most of the Starbucks,Petes Fresh Mkt,Marianos & Whole Foods Grocery stores all have EV charging stations here.
You need your personal device to turn em on,but boy are they always in demand.

[Pro Stock John]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acSdPy38XKU

[Tenney]

Wooden 'coaster in the eighth (three pedals, no waiting!) ...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgoUeFQrA0g

[Lynn]

I charge Sherri's Ionic plug in hybrid in the garage from a 110 outlet. Same thing at the office. I pay 7.1 cents per KWH.

I don't even have a "quick charge" cord, and don't anticipate getting one. Just curious.

I KNOW that the charging stations charge more than they pay; how much more?

[Charley Lillard]

And I got my first flat.

[Billohio]

Looks like a lot of tread left yet!!

[muscle_collector]

has anyone done a cost analysis to see how much it raises your electric bill to compare it to the amount you would spend on fuel?

what if you run out of battery out somewhere, what do you do?

[scuncio]

Pretty easy math. In SE Michigan the residential rate is about $0.18/kWh. Charley's Lucid has a 118kWh pack which probably requires more like 130kWh to charge all the way from dead to 100% state of charge, which is about $23.

[Charley Lillard]

That should get about 400 miles. I don't think very many people run out of battery. The car gives you plenty of warning and directions to chargers.

[rlw68]

How much does cost to 'fill up' with 15 minutes on the fast charger? I'm guessing under $10, including a Big Gulp and hotdog... :crazy:

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[olredalert]

----Just read Car and Driver's road test on the Lucid. Very, very impressive. The engineers and designers seem to have put a lot more thought into their car than Tesla. I think they are ahead of the curve!.....Bill S

[Pro Stock John]

Pretty easy math. In SE Michigan the residential rate is about $0.18/kWh. Charley's Lucid has a 118kWh pack which probably requires more like 130kWh to charge all the way from dead to 100% state of charge, which is about $23.

So could work out to $50-100 a month depending on usage?

[Charley Lillard]

Good video. https://youtu.be/JxuB4H6uCq8

[MarcDant]

Impressive differential trans, power, control unit all in 1 unit making 670 HP x2 all in 1 small package you can hold in your hands. Looks like they came along way, imagine in the next 3-5 years. On aside note (At 4:58 minute mark of video.) looks like he drove by L A,s Disney hall building ( where there ended being a problem when drivers were blinded by the sun). I remember hearing they had to sand most of the metal or bronze on the building to a dull gloss.

[67since67]

Great video, love the rear tag!! (Tesla 2.0)
Makes sense to improve on what works (Lucid),and not throw it all, just to be different (Tesla). I get it now! - Bill W

[Charley Lillard]

I'm like alot of you that thought electric cars are stupid but after a few weeks of driving these two I am convinced that I really really prefer them over gas or diesel. Musk has stated he is going to build a nationwide network of stations similar to the Buckees with a boatload of really fast chargers. You plug in and go inside to get whatever it is you want and in a few minutes you are charged. I'm convinced that these things are so good it will drive advancements in batteries, charging etc. I just wasted over two hours at the Porsche dealer getting it's first service. Driving it home I was thinking how much better the Lucid drove. I have made the decision to sell my Raptor and probably the Porsche. You guys know I'm a car guy. This is the next level in advancement. Musk is saying he will Have a Tesla 2 door sports car that will run 7's in the 1/4, go 250 mph and get 500 miles to a charge. Maybe we end up with enough electric cars and trucks that the cost of oil drops and gas will get cheaper. Competition is always good. That 670 hp unit that the guy is holding in the video is basically engine, trans and rear all rolled into one.

[Pro Stock John]

Not surprised at all.

[scuncio]

Charley, I feel the same way. The infrastructure definitely needs to catch up. Today's EVs are low-compromise, but infrastructure improvements and improving battery technology will help close the gap to ICE.

Full disclosure...EV development is also what I do to earn a living.

My only desire is that gasoline continues to be available to enjoy my old cars. I have zero desire to convert a muscle era car to electric.

[Charley Lillard]

This morning Lucid just released a 1050 hp version.


https://www.lucidmotors.com/air/configure

[Tenney]

Mate Rimac's an interesting feller ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CSiIfwC5DI&t=121s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUB1z5wr5p8

Giga Sandy (kept the Rivian instead of taking it apart!) ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLmIBO5Apz0

[Tenney]

Anti-Tesla ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQr1QfUPa4

[Mr70]

..Driving it home I was thinking how much better the Lucid drove. I have made the decision to sell my Raptor and probably the Porsche.

So you're keeping the Rivian?

[Charley Lillard]

Yes. It and the Lucid are great. Tried the rock crawl setting on the Rivian out on the remains or our motocross track the other day. It is fairly steep with grass over a foot tall. My Raptor or GMC would have been spinning the tires. This thing just went over it. You could feel each wheel doing different stuff as needed, Really neat.

[markinnaples]

When we were growing up, we were taught that oil and petroleum related natural resources were finite, and that someday we would run out. However, I read this article earlier today and it states some really interesting information that I wanted to share. If this is accurate, the race to end ICE vehicles and replace them with EVs may have been falsely promoted. I need to research this more but it's interesting reading.

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/we-are-not-running-out-of-oil-earth-produces-crude/

[Pro Stock John]

I'm fine with the growth of EVs in new car and light truck sales, just to put it in perspective usually ~16M new vehicles are sold every year. EVs currently are small percentage of those, but it's probably going to grow pretty fast. A former neighbor of mine who is a German guy with VW said that the VW mass produced vehicles will be a mix of ICE, hybrid and EV but he does not foresee VW going full EV anytime soom.

On a side note I'm impressed to have a truck that gets 18mph city.

[black69]

I am not educated from this thread on what these vehicles are I have been seeing around the Chicago area. Looks like a good fun buy!

On EV front, I am pro a hybrid approach. After seeing what can happen if a grid is taken out, having gas around is a good thing. The control of the materials that make up batteries is another topic I am sure we will all learn the pros and cons of later when EVs ramp up.

Interesting blue tone in the wheel color vs the body color. That caught my eye.
Also wonder if there is a 'kit mode' for the light bar in the front, scrolling back and forth while it decides when to beat anything that challenges it ;) red lighting of course

[black69]

I am now educated from this thread on what these vehicles are I have been seeing around the Chicago area. Looks like a good fun buy!

On EV front, I am pro a hybrid approach. After seeing what can happen if a grid is taken out, having gas around is a good thing. The control of the materials that make up batteries is another topic I am sure we will all learn the pros and cons of later when EVs ramp up.

Interesting blue tone in the wheel color vs the body color. That caught my eye.

[Charley Lillard]

Pic of the optional slide out stove for camping. No I didn’t order that option.

[1970Bluel78]

Probably fast as you know what but Only a mother could love the front end look of that truck. Cartoon like. Sorry bud

[Z282NV]

Probably fast as you know what but Only a mother could love the front end look of that truck. Cartoon like. Sorry bud

:haha: They do that on purpose so you never forget what it looks like.

[Charley Lillard]

I love the front end. The headlamps are called Stadium lights as they look like a football stadium lit up.

[Pro Stock John]

Rivian front looks cool as hell, no blandness there.

[Charley Lillard]

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/tested-2022-lucid-air-dream-sets-new-ev-range-record.html

Article shows a example of cost to get a full charge in different parts of the country.

[Z282NV]

I think your Lucid is a real winner there Charley. If they can achieve this now, the dark side is getting brighter for EV's. You will need to give us some live updates as you go along and the vehicle ages.

[Charley Lillard]

As a car guy ignoring all the gas versus electric arguments, environmental arguments etc in my mind this is a new muscle at era and I’m glad I get to play in it. Both of there are so fast and smooth. I urge people to try driving one.

[Mr70]

Can you drive one through a flooded viaduct?

[Z282NV]

Can you drive one through a flooded viaduct?


Yup...

https://www.motortrend.com/news/motor-mythbusters-flooded-engine-electric-car/

[markinnaples]

I was saw a video earlier today about the Lucid Air and was wondering how your real-world experience with the car has been, Charley.

[Tenney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7JyTLlqq9w

[markinnaples]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7JyTLlqq9w

That's the video I saw that prompted my question to Charley, thanks.

[Charley Lillard]

It is so much fun. One of the most fun cars I have ever owned.

[markinnaples]

How has your range been for the Lucid?

How has the Rivian been as well?

[Tenney]

Is your refrigerator running ...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N95g8pM6Eg

[Charley Lillard]

How has your range been for the Lucid?

How has the Rivian been as well?
I don't fully charge either as they say the batteries last longer and only fully charge for long trips. I think the Lucid usually shows about 395 miles range when I charge it and the Rivian shows about 250 miles. I drive the Rivian daily and usually plug it in every couple nights.


I don't know if they are green but I know they are fast :-)

[70 copo]

UGH... but we all knew this was the logical outcome...

Electric cars could pay tax by the mile

Government climate advisers propose tax system to cover fuel duty shortfall

Electric cars face being fitted with tracking devices under proposals for a pay-per-mile road taxation system put forward by the Government's own climate advisers.

The Climate Change Committee (CCC) says the Government needs to find ways to cover the "significant hole" in the public finances left by the loss of fuel duty and other taxes when petrol and diesel cars are replaced by electric models.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/06/29/electric-cars-should-have-government-tracking-devices-tax-mile/

[Tenney]

Original recipe, & Chunky ...

[427.060]

I saw an article posted a few days ago about someone towing a car and trailer 2700 miles with their Rivian. They had to stop to recharge every 100 miles. I know that electric cars aren't really made for towing long distances but I didn't think the batteries would be drained that quickly.

https://www.westernjournal.com/couple-towed-trailer-behind-80000-electric-truck-stop-every-100-miles-2700-mile-trip/

[70 copo]

Correct they were towing a Mustang. Towing and batteries are a non starter.

Towing Batteries and Air conditioning, or heat, or accessories, or anything convenience based is ditto.

When I towed 8 hours over to Carlisle I used a CUMMINS Turbo Diesel. I was able to pass big rigs at will and the engine automatically applied engine brake in tow/haul mode going down hills.

Long trips are stressful enough -especially towing- you just want to get there and have what you need to do so safely.

[BCreekDave]

And the Lightning isn't much better.....
https://tfltruck.com/2022/06/video-how-far-can-a-gas-truck-an-electric-ford-lightning-go-towing-the-same-camper-on-one-fill-up/

Hard to beat the BTU's of gasoline....even more with diesel.

[Tenney]

https://jalopnik.com/the-lucid-air-grand-touring-makes-the-tesla-model-s-fee-1849188800

[Mr70]

Not trying to steer you wrong.
https://gizmodo.com/rivian-recall-12200-cars-r1t-r1s-edv-loose-nut-steering-1849634446

[Charley Lillard]

Yep. I saw awhile back the pic of the broken truck and went and checked my ball joint nut. Had paint inspection marks that lined up. They are also sending out emails that they are re engineering the power bed cover and will replace them when ready. Mine is working fine though. So far I love the truck but just lost one of my keys....

[Charley Lillard]

Tesla submerged in Ian.

[olredalert]

----My question must have an answer,,,I hope! Whats going to happen to electric vehicles after running around on salt covered streets for a couple of years? That could keep a couple of EV owners awake at night, I would think!....Bill S

[Tenney]

Single serve ...

https://insideevs.com/news/615390/electric-car-acceleration-new-guiness-world-record/

[njsteve]

I betcha this becomes the next fad version of "patina" paint.

The "Tesla Bystander" patina.

Almost like the old Country Squire woodgrain

[Mr70]

Pumpkin Spice accent,available only during October thru Dec. :)

[Z282NV]

Unbelievable, I guess you don't want to be caught inside or on top of a Tesla floating down storm surge river waiting to be rescued.

Olredalert comments about salt infested roads, slush etc. is going to be interesting to see how this plays out especially now that New York State is going all electric by 2035. That is a lot of cars to think about.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-29/new-york-follows-california-in-banning-sale-of-gas-cars-by-2035

[olredalert]

Unbelievable, I guess you don't want to be caught inside or on top of a Tesla floating down storm surge river waiting to be rescued.

Olredalert comments about salt infested roads, slush etc. is going to be interesting to see how this plays out especially now that New York State is going all electric by 2035. That is a lot of cars to think about.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-29/new-york-follows-california-in-banning-sale-of-gas-cars-by-2035

----Just figured out that I'll be 88 in 2035. If I make it that far I hope to have the same gas powered cars I have now.....Bill S

[Tenney]

----Just figured out that I'll be 88 in 2035. If I make it that far I hope to have the same gas powered cars I have now.....Bill S

Here's to that, Bill - and Greta having her license and driving a Camaro!

[Z282NV]

----Just figured out that I'll be 88 in 2035. If I make it that far I hope to have the same gas powered cars I have now.....Bill S

I hope you make it too (and beyond) and you never get stuck in a Tesla during a storm surge.:beers:

[dykstra]

I thought of you the other day Charley. A surgeon I call on recently took delivery of his Lucid “Air”.
He loves it!
You’re right, it hauls azz!

[Charley Lillard]

Went to a basketball game last night and there was a twin. I still love this car.

[Mr70]

^ Someone needs to wipe their shoes off. :)

[Z282NV]

I saw these two YouTube clips and immediately thought of Charley's Lucid. Very good details to know more about the underside construction of the Lucid Air.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDjIUJgr2E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWIVV07rYHA

[Charley Lillard]

Thanks. That was a great video by a apparently smart guy.

[Too Many Projects]

----Just figured out that I'll be 88 in 2035. If I make it that far I hope to have the same gas powered cars I have now.....Bill S
I'm 5 years behind you and have the same goals..:biggthumpup:

Which reminds me, I need to get my arse moving and try to build all the cars I have. I need another part time job...:dunno:

[Charley Lillard]

The video links that NV posted are done by a company that buys new electric vehicles, completely takes them apart and writes detailed reports on them for other manufacturers to buy and analyze.Every fastener etc.Pretty impressive.

[Z282NV]

The video links that NV posted are done by a company that buys new electric vehicles, completely takes them apart and writes detailed reports on them for other manufacturers to buy and analyze.Every fastener etc.Pretty impressive.

I did not realize that is what they did, kind of just stumbled onto those clips by accident.

Being a mechanical Engineer myself and looking carefully at those videos there are surely some things Lucid can do to reduce part count and fastening methodologies thereby reducing costs. I too would be concerned about part clearances but the end of the band clamp at the start of the first video could easily be spun around to reduce contact with the rubber hose beside it. The edges of the clamp depending on sharpness could be another matter.

[Tenney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s14bpYZqusY

[Charley Lillard]

Still the most fun car I have.

[Tenney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taw401RxC2Q

[Charley Lillard]

Great video.



JVobd1_G8Ek

[markinnaples]

Gotta admit, those Lucids are crazy fast.

[mssl72]

:eek2::eek2:

[randy27]

Great video.



JVobd1_G8Ek
Awesome beasts!

[Tenney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE20h6v0fSQ&t=2s

[Charley Lillard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE20h6v0fSQ&t=594s

[Tenney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI6DmjSEzek

[Tenney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4p9QN2_4-I

[Charley Lillard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE20h6v0fSQ

[Tenney]

...