Street Racing in Dayton Ohio

[70 copo]

Here this viper does what it is quite famous for, - loss of control when the V-10 hits the moneymaker point in the powerband.

Yesterday:

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[TimG]

Did he win?

[70 copo]

Well he did pull ahead... we used to be able to go to IMS and on parade laps lay back and then catch up, INDY at 120+ is an experience that many will never have.

Yep. Vipers ruined that too when on a parade lap in the mid 1990's a guy got on it, lost control in the same way as in the video above, and put it into a wall - hard.

After that radar guns and permanent track bans for violations.

[Too Many Projects]

That one can probably be removed from the registry...:frown:

[tom406]

Ugh, lose your Viper and have it immortalized on YouTube for all time after being goaded into the dumbest street race imaginable. I don’t think I could handle the shame.

[SS427]

I don’t think I could handle the shame.

Not to mention the reckless driving and exhibition driving tickets let alone your insurance company saying sorry, you were racing so no coverage.

[PeteLeathersac]

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No reason to lose control like that so world may be safer w/ him uninsurable/off the road.
Strange he hit a Goodyear sign...car turned in by itself wanting to shed its factory Michelins?:hmmm:
:beers:
~ Pete

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[Pro Stock John]

People over estimate how well they can hook on street/hard tires.

[70 copo]

The viper is perhaps the most wrecked car on the planet. Like I said when the V-10 hits a point in the Powerband the rear end breaks loose If this is accompanied by a down shift then it is double trouble for control.

Here is a site that tracks them all: http://www.wreckedexotics.com/dodge/viper

[GMC_Typhoon]

Why would anybody race a weed eater on crack?

[LT1vette]

The viper is perhaps the most wrecked car on the planet. Like I said when the V-10 hits a point in the Powerband the rear end breaks loose If this is accompanied by a down shift then it is double trouble for control.

Here is a site that tracks them all: http://www.wreckedexotics.com/dodge/viper
5 Litre Mustang has more wrecks than Vipers built. No comparison..

People over estimate how well they can hook on street/hard tires.
That car didn't hook, he lost it looking in the right side mirror for the import

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No reason to lose control like that so world may be safer w/ him uninsurable/off the road.
Strange he hit a Goodyear sign...car turned in by itself wanting to shed its factory Michelins?:hmmm:
:beers:
~ Pete


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Yeah, the world is better off with him taking the bus. Just 'cause you can buy one doesn't mean you know how to drive it...

Why would anybody race a weed eater on crack?

Can't fix stupid

[70 copo]

The viper is perhaps the most wrecked car on the planet.

5 Litre Mustang has more wrecks than Vipers built. No comparison..


Technically correct. I suspect that the Chevy impala is also right up there on total crashes. The number of total wrecks will be statistically larger in a curve consistent with the total production of the vehicle.


Let me clarify, expand, and qualify my earlier statement.

Here in the US Law enforcement has a confidential database on crashes by cause. This includes street racing and stunt driving as cause sub categories. Here the viper is a national leader in the in this category for loss of control and street racing accidents.

Over the years several of my friends are or were elected county Sheriffs or Ohio State Patrol. I see no reason for for the fabrication of this information because these statistics are used for charging purposes with the prosecuting attorney as well as court testimony.

[njsteve]

Probably running on the original 1996 era Michelins which are petrified hockey pucks by now.

And not knowing what to do when the massive torque curve comes into the midrange "sweet zone" that these cars have.

This is exactly how the vast majority of them were wrecked back in the day.

Sad.

[earntaz]

High performance car ... low performance driver ...

[njsteve]

I enjoy this guys videos. He comments on the crash (and he has a lot of vipers) and he's funny.


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[LT1vette]

Technically correct. I suspect that the Chevy impala is also right up there on total crashes. The number of total wrecks will be statistically larger in a curve consistent with the total production of the vehicle.


Let me clarify, expand, and qualify my earlier statement.

Here in the US Law enforcement has a confidential database on crashes by cause. This includes street racing and stunt driving as cause sub categories. Here the viper is a national leader in the in this category for loss of control and street racing accidents.

Over the years several of my friends are or were elected county Sheriffs or Ohio State Patrol. I see no reason for for the fabrication of this information because these statistics are used for charging purposes with the prosecuting attorney as well as court testimony.


Hi... Not to dispute your info, just going by personal experience. I worked as a Firefighter for 33 years in Toronto. Over 20 years of that I worked on the 401 highway,12 lanes wide.
When it would start to rain, likely at rush hour, we would get an influx of MV accidents.
In the late 80's, early 90's when the 5L Mustang was "the performance Car" alot of the cars were owned by "non performance " drivers. I can count 10 Mustangs without trying and there would be more if my memory was better...LOL
Three of these were the worst fatal accidents I ever attended. I had a total write off Lambo, but no Vipers.
Now in defense of that, we did not get many Vipers delivered here in Ontario (Canada)

[olredalert]

----Viper guy better not have had a few pops prior to his stunt!....Bill S

[dustinm]

Not to mention the reckless driving and exhibition driving tickets let alone your insurance company saying sorry, you were racing so no coverage.

At least now the rest of us wont have our premiums raised to cover his stupidity.

[Pro Stock John]

And those Vipers don't have traction control.

[Lynn]

Just playing devil's advocate here.

"Here in the US Law enforcement has a confidential database on crashes by cause. This includes street racing and stunt driving as cause sub categories. Here the viper is a national leader in the in this category for loss of control and street racing accidents."

If it is confidential, how do you know the content?

[70 copo]

Just playing devil's advocate here.

"Here in the US Law enforcement has a confidential database on crashes by cause. This includes street racing and stunt driving as cause sub categories. Here the viper is a national leader in the in this category for loss of control and street racing accidents."

If it is confidential, how do you know the content?

Lynn,

Your sense of humor is utterly brilliant. You have given me an idea to go and hit the bottle early today and then post perhaps later when I am up to it. goggles

[Lynn]

No need to post Phil. I was being more of a smart a$$ than a fact finder with that post.

[CanCOPO]

Be careful of the "weed eaters". Lots of them here in Houston push over 1000 horses.

[x33rs]

I'm a bit surprised street racing is a problem in Dayton? I'm from Cinci and there are no shortages of tracks in and around the tri-city area. Kil-Kare, Edgewater, Tri-State, and we'd even hit National Trail once in a while as Columbus wasn't all that far.

Now living in Arizona, we had 2 tracks that served Phoenix. Speedworld closed several years back. Wildhorse, formerly known as Firebird, is closing next April so we only have a year to enjoy that one. Once that's gone there will be only one track that will serve the entire state of Arizona and that's down in Tucson. Over 400 mile round trip for me.

I suspect the street racing scene is going to rise in Arizona pretty soon.

[Pro Stock John]

x33, yeah a lot of tracks have been closing last few years...

RT66
Palm Beach
KCIR
Memphis
Englishtown
Byron is for sale

Luckly the owners of GLD are committed and have even spent money redoing the track recently with Kurt Johnson doing the work, which is awesome.

[scuncio]

Milan was also on the chopping block but has awesome new owners who are keeping it going.

[x33rs]

Sad to hear. Support'em if you can. They are nearly impossible to bring back once their gone.

Arizona's biggest issue is building these tracks on Indian Reservation land. Leasing the land is always a sketchy deal. It's not that they don't have enough participation for events. Ultimately it's up to the Indian Reservation whether they want to keep it going or not and most of us know what that means.

[earntaz]

I'm a bit surprised street racing is a problem in Dayton? I'm from Cinci and there are no shortages of tracks in and around the tri-city area. Kil-Kare, Edgewater, Tri-State, and we'd even hit National Trail once in a while as Columbus wasn't all that far.

Now living in Arizona, we had 2 tracks that served Phoenix. Speedworld closed several years back. Wildhorse, formerly known as Firebird, is closing next April so we only have a year to enjoy that one. Once that's gone there will be only one track that will serve the entire state of Arizona and that's down in Tucson. Over 400 mile round trip for me.

I suspect the street racing scene is going to rise in Arizona pretty soon.
Back in the mid 60s I was stationed at Williams AFB ... we would race at Bee Line and PIR

[x33rs]

Back in the mid 60s I was stationed at Williams AFB ... we would race at Bee Line and PIR


That's cool :biggthumpup:


Yeah, Bee Line is another one that fell in the late 70's when the Indians didn't want to renew the land lease. You probably knew that already.

[muscle_collector]

i have a rt10 viper 6 speed and it literally feels like you are driving on ice when you are hitting it full throttle. ive never had a car that i had to "drive" so hard as this one to keep it going in a straight line. it definately gets your adrenaline flowing hard. one other thing about it, is that you actually sit a little bit sideways because of the transmission tunnel which at least to me throws me off a bit.

[Keith Seymore]

Here is a site that tracks them all: http://www.wreckedexotics.com/dodge/viper

Speaking of tracking crashes: When I was a little kid I met Willie Borsch at Tri City Dragway (Saginaw-ish, Michigan).

The car had a little US map on the turtle deck and there was a "flame" representing every place he crashed.

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[napa68]

Luckly the owners of GLD are committed and have even spent money redoing the track recently with Kurt Johnson doing the work, which is awesome.

THE Kurt Johnson of Pro Stock fame? If that's the case........that is cool!

[67since67]

In 2010 a casual friend, an MIT engineering grad who worked in John Deere tractor development, died when he lost control of his Viper and went sideways into a guard rail.
He had a small collection of Corvettes and hi perf motor cycles, with some amateur racing experience. - Bill W

[Pro Stock John]

THE Kurt Johnson of Pro Stock fame? If that's the case........that is cool!

I don't know. Kurt used to be the track manager at Summit/Norwalk, now he travels around and advices/fixes drag strips.