1969 black 375 M22 4:10 cowl hood

[HuggerSS]

Congratulation to Doug Perry! After a year of negotiation my buddy was able to purchase an amazing car; 1969 SS, equipped with a 375 hp 396, M22, 4:10 and a cowl hood.

It gets better;
the one owner car is still rolling on it’s original tires, with black XT wheels, original paint, original interior with a delete radio, original engine that has never been removed, original smog, original exhaust and original shocks!

Wait it gets even better;
the car has its original POP, window sticker, build sheet (very few have been found on Norwood built cars), and invoice. The invoice shows the car was ordered with a delete heater. Unfortunately in 1969 the heater became mandatory.

If that is not enough, the car has its original 10 day 1969 dealership tag!

Doug has some amazing cars, this is another special car that fits very well in his collection.

The car will be shown for the first time at MCACN in Steve Shauger’s Vintage Certification display.

[Oldss]

Can’t wait to see that car! Thanks for sharing!,

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Wow this sounds like a gem!!

Ryan W31

[Steve Shauger]

This car is one of those special cars that you here about but are rarely found. Well this car will be Vintage Certified at MCACN show in November. We are very excited to have this special car attend. The original owner had the car until a month or so ago when Doug took possession. The owner was a fanatic about preserving the car and it shows.... Congratulations Doug!!!!

[1967Z28]

Congratulations, Doug. I'm looking forward to checking it out at MCACN.

[R68GTO]

Congrats Doug!

[Nasblu]

Get your camera phones and note pads ready fellas this one will teach you a few things about 1969 Norwood Camaro production. I had the opportunity to see the car in person (including all the cars original factory and dealer paperwork ) you guys are in for a treat. The car has a documented 9500 original miles and it shows. It will most definitely be used in the future as a reference for how 69 Camaros were built in Norwood. Look forward to seeing the car again in Chicago.

[dykstra]

Can’t wait to see this car at MCACN!!

[Copo_Cartel]

This cars history and journey started way before I came along. My job is to honor the original owner...his wife and the car. It is a treat to be able to share it with others and get better acquainted with Norwood’s assembly processes. I am surrounded by good people as we all are. Thank you to Paul Laurenzi (Hugger SS) for introducing me to the owner almost a year ago. Special thanks to Amy, Frank, Matt, Matt, Austin and Ely. Affectionately we will call the car “Black Betty” . Safe Travels .

[sixt9rsx33]

Wow!! Can't wait to see this car.

[HuggerSS]

The statement that it is only original once refers to this car! This car is one of the few bench mark 1st generation Camaro’s. All of the parts are original to the car, even the tires and exhaust!

The original owner obviously did his homework before buying this car! He checked off all of the right boxes; 396/375, M22, 4:10, F41 suspension, quick ratio steering and a cowl hood. If that is not enough, the car is Tuxedo Black! No console or radio, if did not make the car go faster or handle better it was not ordered!

The new caretaker Doug (Doug always refers to himself as the “new caretaker” because in Dougs eyes, it will always be the original owners car), is always open to sharing his knowledge and his cars to help with the hobby and its growth.

I am looking forward to seeing it displayed in Chicago for the first time in 53 years!

Doug was challenged to bring a car to MCACN in 2022, I would say he met and exceeded the challenge!

[scuncio]

Congrats Doug and Paul, can't wait to see it next month!

[napa68]

Congrats Doug and Paul, can't wait to see it next month!

Me too!

[R68GTO]

What’s the build date of the car?

[60sStuff]

I’d love to see this “show and tell” in person.

For guys like me and I’m sure many others that are not able to attend MCACN to enjoy the Best of the Best in a Survivor car, will we all eventually get to see this car in nice quality photos here on the Yenko site?

Thanks, Chris.

[Charley Lillard]

Does it have red hockey stripes ? Will be interesting to see the black paint on the tail panel. Can't wait.

[Copo_Cartel]

The car is 02D build date and 604xxx vin. number. After we clean the prom Queen up...we will provide some photos. I promised the owner to give the car the respect that it deserves. The hockey stripe is red.

[R68GTO]

Very cool. Wasn't planning to go to MCACN this year but between this car and Dave B.'s Yenko, might have to make the trip.

[Jeff H]

This cars history and journey started way before I came along. My job is to honor the original owner...his wife and the car. It is a treat to be able to share it with others and get better acquainted with Norwood’s assembly processes. I am surrounded by good people as we all are. Thank you to Paul Laurenzi (Hugger SS) for introducing me to the owner almost a year ago. Special thanks to Amy, Frank, Matt, Matt, Austin and Ely. Affectionately we will call the car “Black Betty” . Safe Travels .

Wow, that sounds like a really cool original car. And since nobody else posted it yet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_2D8Eo15wE

:headbang:

[Copo_Cartel]

Yes.....that is the song !!!! Nice . Ram Jam the band. A southern rock theme.

[enio45]

At least a teaser pic pls :-)

Congrats

[Jonesy]

Cant wait to see it at MCACN. Congrats and thank you for bringing it to the show!!

[JBALL]

Congrats Doug! Looking forward to seeing it in person.

[Nasblu]

At least a teaser pic pls :-)

Congrats

Here is a teaser.

[Copo_Cartel]

Does it have red hockey stripes ? Will be interesting to see the black paint on the tail panel. Can't wait.

The rear tail pan is definitely different in color.

[Steve Shauger]

Charley continues to believe its the same as exterior paint. It's not full gloss like exterior black 70%ish. I'm sure he'll be bugging me at the show. 35 years we've debated this:scholar::beers:

[napa68]

Here is a teaser.

Now that's just cruel:drool:

[Charley Lillard]

Not saying it is the same. Saying it is gloss while most restos do satin.

[luzl78]

Doesn’t one of the painters at Norwood remember what sheen he painted? I know it’s 53-55 years ago but someone should remember. If it was gloss it was gloss. If it was satin it was probably waxed over the years to appear gloss.

[luzl78]

I had Jason paint my Monte satin.

[luzl78]

Doesn’t one of the painters at Norwood remember what sheen he painted? I know it’s 53-55 years ago but someone should remember. If it was gloss it was gloss. If it was satin it was probably waxed over the years to appear gloss.

[Mr70]

LOL this ole argument again?
If Charley passed away today.

[bcmiller]

The debate will never end.

Amount of sheen on the rear panel blackout varied, due to many factors. It’s the same paint as the rockers.

At least for 1968 it was “supposed to be” 30 percent gloss. No reason to think 1969 was different.

[70 copo]

Doesn’t one of the painters at Norwood remember what sheen he painted? I know it’s 53-55 years ago but someone should remember. If it was gloss it was gloss. If it was satin it was probably waxed over the years to appear gloss.


2015 discussion Here: (see reply #33)

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=134256&page=4

[dannystarr]

So when you are restoring your car, all you have to do is find out what the temperature was that day. Or if you can't narrow it that tight, temp. during that week. And Bingo, Bob's your Uncle. And Robert's your Dad's brother... Danny

[GM Powertrain]

Really looking forward to seeing pics of this.

[southernfriedcj]

CL was born in '53? I thought he was a lot older than that.

[Kurt S]

It's not full gloss like exterior black 70%ish.
They still taped off the tailpanel, so the paint difference will be apparent at the tape line.
There are other black original paint 396 cars out there, with pics on this site, IIRC. :)

[Too Many Projects]

CL was born in '53? I thought he was a lot older than that.


I was surprised too. He's younger than me, but looks older...:dunno:

[Charley Lillard]

I age faster because of babysitting this site and it's idiot's.:grin:

[CamaroNOS]

Charley's gone and he is still causing s**t......you go girl!

We love ya Charley.

Paul

[69M22Z]

I age faster because of babysitting this site and it's idiot's.:grin:

Lol

[black69]

I hope I can see this car in person and how it compares to mine (very similar, except for mileage). Mine is 4 months later so there will likely be differences. When my car was invited to a vintage display there years ago, I learned so much from folks on how to tell a car's originality.

[cook_dw]

Congrats Doug. Hope to see photos from this weekend of its unveiling.

[jbtech]

Anyone have photos of the car at the show? Please post thanks!

[Charley Lillard]

Ok ok ok. Tail panel is the most satin one I have seen on a orig. car. Amazing car.

[70 copo]

If I am reading my historical temperatures right for Cincinnati in the 4 week of February 1969 the temps were between 15 and 20 degrees that week, SO the tail panel looks exactly as it should given the cooler reflow reaction in the final oven.

[cook_dw]

Good detail shots. Thank you.

[70 copo]

Look at the Temps on the 14th... Plenty cold.

[70 copo]

On February 26th and again on the 27th it dropped to 0 degrees in Erlanger KY at the airport where the records were taken.

On the 26th It was 0 at the start of the shift and again at the end of shift.
on the 27th it was 0 at mid shift on DAY shift.

Norwood was another 20 miles north of there so its very likely temps could have been well below zero at the plant when these temps were recorded.

[cheveslakr]

Laughing my ars off.....love you guys but siting ambient temps 55 years back is a sickness but a good one.
Really don't think any temp variance would effect something that chevy was in the habit of qc, the finish and it's consistency.

[HuggerSS]

Doug’s car looked amazing!

[SBR]

THAT is a very impressive car, wow! There is nothing like a well preserved time capsule.

[iluv69s]

Wowwwwwwe……. Congrats!

Can someone explain why, when red stripe was installed? Thanks

[William]

Nice to see a correctly installed air cleaner seal.

[Lee Stewart]

Wowwwwwwe……. Congrats!

Can someone explain why, when red stripe was installed? Thanks

Black car no vinyl top, black interior gets red stripes

http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors

[William]

At the 1969 MY intro, black was an RPO color for a short time, then dropped. There were few early production black cars.

A famous early production black car [10 B 711] was the L78/auto SS owned by Joe Oldham. It was featured prominently in Baldwin-Motion ads and a few articles in pulp car mags back in the day. He wanted to delete the D90 stripe and Chevrolet refused to do it; early photos show it was built with a white D90. Shortly thereafter, he had the D90 stripe removed.

January 1969, black was added as an extra-cost color. Maybe at that time the default D90 color was changed to red.

[R68GTO]

Absolutely fantastic car, one of the main reasons I made the trip today!

[SBR]

Absolutely fantastic car, one of the main reasons I made the trip today!

Me too, what a shame that it was covered up smh.

[Hawkeye]

Just a few I took. A couple rotated, but you get the picture.

[scuncio]

That was the first time I had seen those resonators on a first gen. Amazing car.

[SPEEDYB]

Awesome!

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

I noticed that the trans has a drain plug. I thought drain plugs were added in 1970 on the Muncie transmissions. Or this a M22 thing only??

[COPO]

Pretty certain, in '70 they all got drain plugs. Before that M-22 only.

[HuggerSS]

Doug was awarded 98.6%! What an amazing car!

[rlw68]

Very cool Paul... it appears to have been built just a couple of days before mine. I would bet on Wednesday, February 26. Before lunchtime.

:rolleyes2:

[HuggerSS]

Rob, the PBT are green, second shift

[muscle_collector]

Doug was awarded 98.6%! What an amazing car!

what did they count off for?

[napa68]

Doug was awarded 98.6%! What an amazing car!

Appropriately so! After looking Doug's car over, my 68 should be turned into beer cans;)

[Too Many Projects]

As that car was being driven in from the delivery area, there was a crowd of people following it into the Vintage area and once it was parked, I couldn't see the car for the next hour, as it was absolutely hidden from view by bodies. One of the judges said it was "The Belle of the Ball" and it attracted crowds of people all day. It truly is amazing the condition it was maintained in and so clean underneath.
Congratulations to Doug for his new treasure.

[Too Many Projects]

what did they count off for?
The only things I'm aware of that weren't original were the battery and oil filter, although it appeared to me to be a white A/C with Red letters ??
As highly scrutinized as that car was for 2 days, they may have found a few loops in the carpet that weren't perfect...:laugh:

[Charley Lillard]

Amazing car. I know it got docked for the missing jacking instruction sticker but per Doug the orig. owner took it off himself as it was crooked or something.

[cheveslakr]

That's a car I'd be poking back every hour on the hour to weed through the fans. Not picking, just correct my eyes if I'm seeing things, but the heater nipple at the water pump appears to be painted orange???

[Steve Shauger]

The car achieving Time Capsule, speaks for itself. There was a lot of anticipation, and this car did not disappoint. The crowd around the car never diminished and was enjoyed by all!!!

Congratulations to the original owner /caretaker and to Doug for sharing the car and participating in our intense Vintage Certification program.

[black69]

this was a treat to see in person. I wish I could have seen the top side. Unbelievable car. Lucky owner. Noticed only a few differences to my car that is similar (curved neck 4 core vs not, scratching head on that) and did they write 'BLK' on the firewall (I did not get to see that). Red stripes were the same with distinct details. Car is an art piece.

If all the discussion is true on air temps impacting curing of paint, my car would have been bumping up against late June/4th of July temps which would have been quite different to this car. Mine is definitely not that dull and was a shock to see. I am sure mine was polished by hand. Temped to take some wax stripper to it now and see what happens.

[Copo_Cartel]

It was an honor to be among some of the elite top tier survivors in the country . The judging team spent numerous hours pouring over the cars for all the nuances that make these cars so special. The crowd was continuously filing through to enhance their own knowledge of their favorite cars.

[Copo_Cartel]

It does say blk and m22 on the firewall

[Copo_Cartel]

Taken early before the show and crowds started to roll in

[Copo_Cartel]

Enjoy

[black69]

It does say blk and m22 on the firewall

Thanks!!!

[Nasblu]

I am sure the car has other grease pencil marks on the firewall but I do know the car does have a very faint M22 next to the green PBT above the firewall seam above heater box and a BLK for tuxedo Black and X6 for X66 behind the distributor area of the firewall.

[Nasblu]

Few Pictures from MCACN.

[muscle_collector]

i might have missed it somewhere, but what was the story of the original owner not driving it much and preserving it so well?

[Canuck]

The car achieving Time Capsule, speaks for itself. There was a lot of anticipation, and this car did not disappoint. The crowd around the car never diminished and was enjoyed by all!!!

Congratulations to the original owner /caretaker and to Doug for sharing the car and participating in our intense Vintage Certification program.

I was honoured to be part of this judging team. They let me do the recording stuff like body,window,seatbelt codes,rims tires and the like.
At one point on Friday there were 19 people underneath that car,looking,taking photos etc….we were ready to call the fire Marshall.

[bbbenny]

Another great piece of American Chevy Muscle! By Mr. Perry!!! Congratulation's BBBenny:eek2::eek2:

[dykstra]

This car was insane! Thanks again for bringing it to the best muscle car show in the world.

[HuggerSS]

Hats off to Steve and the Judging team! I am very partial to Doug’s L78, but the group of car that Steve found and put together for the Vintage Certification is incredible. Steve was also very accommodating to the crowd, putting Doug’s car up in the air numerous time for pictures.

For me, the Vintage Certification is always the highlight of the show!

[HuggerSS]

Doug’s car did not receive the heavy duty curved neck radiator even though it is a 4:10 car. According to Steve S, 02D was to early and transition period for the radiator late April/May and early cars were white and later came with red. All of this information is documented on the build sheet.
Another interesting fact about Dougs’s car, it was ordered with Z28 F41 suspension which included 4 leaf springs and Z28 coded shocks. It was also ordered with fast ratio manual steering. Lastly it was ordered without a heater, but new requirements for windshield defrost in 1969 mandated the heater.

It was great getting to know the original owner John over the last several years and working with Doug to acquire this car.
In November of 1968, John originally ordered a black JL8 Z28 that never came in. In January, he switched his order to the L78.
The reason the car was not driven, John is a devoted father, husband and grandfather. He always told me that family and work took priority in his life and he really did not have time to enjoy the car as much as he liked. John, also like the preservation of the car. He acquired numerous hard to find NOS parts over the years thinking one day he may restore the car. We are all happy that day never came!

[bulletpruf]

What an incredible car!!! Thanks for all the details and pictures!

[Luvchevs]

HuggerSS thanks for the information. For what purpose did he originally order the car ie: racing, daily driver, Sunday driver, collector/investment car?

[HuggerSS]

I am only assuming John bought the car to race and have fun with. That being said, the car still retains its original tires from day one with very little tire wear.

Those tire would have been bald in for first week if it were me.

Talking with John, he always knew the car was special. I think he treated the car accordingly.
Because John had the insight, we are all now able to benefit from this time capsule!

[napa68]

I know the car had camera's all over it for the weekend. Is there anyone who is going to make the detail pics available as resource?

Certainly the car is a benchmark for originality and authenticity (to say nothing for being so damn cool). It would be an ongoing benefit to the hobby if the details were accessible IMO.

Well done Doug!

[Canuck]

I know the car had camera's all over it for the weekend. Is there anyone who is going to make the detail pics available as resource?

Certainly the car is a benchmark for originality and authenticity (to say nothing for being so damn cool). It would be an ongoing benefit to the hobby if the details were accessible IMO.

Well done Doug!

Edgemontvillage, Lloyd Costley is the official photographer for Vintage Certification. He took between 1500-2000 photos of all the cars in VC that get turned over to Steve Shauger. Reach out to both to see what can be shared.

[Steve Shauger]

Black car no vinyl top, black interior gets red stripes

http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors

Not quite Lee. It seems early built cars came with white stripes and later built received red stripes. Not sure of the switch over.

[Charley Lillard]

Here are a few pics

[Charley Lillard]

......

[Lee Stewart]

Did Chevy make the stripe color change from white to red on the Maroon SS cars at the same time it did on the Black cars?

[Lynn]

Seems odd that it has a rear spoiler and no front spoiler. Dealer installed?

[R68GTO]

I was told it was added by the owner.

[X66 714]

Anybody have a picture of the window sticker? ...Thank you, Joe

[turbo69bird]

This car is amazing hoping we get pics all up around the back sides of rear 1/4s , tail light panel , backs of fenders, full floor pan shots etc . All the areas that get forgotten in pics. Even things like fuse box under dash etc. So great to see this car.

[mrays]

Anybody have a picture of the window sticker? ...Thank you, Joe

Here is a picture of the window sticker that was on his show sign. Sorry for the quality. It's a picture of a picture.

[HuggerSS]

I am looking forward to seeing Doug’s black 375 hp again at the Camaro Nationals. It is probably one of the best reference cars out there, I have a list of pictures that I want to take that I forgot to snap in Chicago. It should be one of the highlights at this years Nationals!

[Mr70]

Agree.. :)

[Steve Shauger]

I am looking forward to seeing Doug’s black 375 hp again at the Camaro Nationals. It is probably one of the best reference cars out there, I have a list of pictures that I want to take that I forgot to snap in Chicago. It should be one of the highlights at this years Nationals!

Looking forward to seeing it again at the Camaro Nationals.!!

[HuggerSS]

Congratulations Doug Perry for scoring a 99% in the Vintage Legends Certification Class at the Camaro Nationals. This car is truly a benchmark time capsule!

[Steve Shauger]

Congratulations Doug Perry for scoring a 99% invented certified class at the Camaro Nationals. This car is truly a benchmark time capsule!


As you know this car was Vintage Certified and achieved Time Capsule at MCACN. I had mentioned previously Vintage Certification would be participating again at the Camaro Nationals this year.
It seemed logical to provide a special Camaro survivor award, within the Legend program, hence the Legend Survivor. To participate in Legend Survivor a car must achieve Vintage Time Capsule.

Doug Perry's 69 SS Camaro L78 was awarded Legend Survivor Platinum with an overall score of 99. This car has set the bar by achieving and awarded top honors in both formats.
The Judging team consisted of Steve Shauger, Bob Harris, John Pollock & Josh Harris(tabulator).

The following car were Vintage Certified at the Camaro Nationals:

69 Z28-Benny Pfeiffer awarded Reference, Overall 86.5
69 Z28-Mitch Stamos awarded Heritage, Overall 90.9
71 Z28 Eric Winkel, awarded Participant, Overall 66.2
74 Z28 Nate Bailey, awarded Legend, Overall 93.7

[Steve Shauger]

As you know this car was Vintage Certified and achieved Time Capsule at MCACN. I had mentioned previously Vintage Certification would be participating again at the Camaro Nationals this year.
It seemed logical to provide a special Camaro survivor award, within the Legend program, hence the Legend Survivor. To participate in Legend Survivor a car must achieve Vintage Time Capsule.

Doug Perry's 69 SS Camaro L78 was awarded Legend Survivor Platinum with an overall score of 99. This car has set the bar by achieving and awarded top honors in both formats.
The Judging team consisted of Steve Shauger, Bob Harris, John Pollock & Josh Harris(tabulator).

The following car were Vintage Certified at the Camaro Nationals:

69 Z28-Benny Pfeiffer awarded Reference, Overall 86.5
69 Z28-Mitch Stamos awarded Heritage, Overall 90.9
71 Z28 Eric Winkel, awarded Participant, Overall 66.2
74 Z28 Nate Bailey, awarded Legend, Overall 93.7

I also added a forum for everything Camaro Nationals: https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=176138

[Copo_Cartel]

It seems like Vintage Certification and Legends Survivor Certification go together like “Peas and Carrots”. We are very humbled to achieve Time Capsule and Survivor Platinum with this special car. This was all made possible by the original owner. Kuddos to him and his wife for their preservation of this fine car. The judging in both Chicago and Morgantown is not for the faint of heart but the team is fair and precise on every detail nose to tail. The bar has been raised by all the participants and caliber of cars .

[L72copocamaro]

It seems like Vintage Certification and Legends Survivor Certification go together like “Peas and Carrots”. We are very humbled to achieve Time Capsule and Survivor Platinum with this special car. This was all made possible by the original owner. Kuddos to him and his wife for their preservation of this fine car. The judging in both Chicago and Morgantown is not for the faint of heart but the team is fair and precise on every detail nose to tail. The bar has been raised by all the participants and caliber of cars .

Amazing car! But there has to be a better analogy than "peas and carrots". I mean, peanut butter and jelly, bread and butter, ice and cream!

Seriously, congrats on a great achievement!!

[dykstra]

Big Congrats Doug! What a car!!

[bbbenny]

Over the Top! Mister Perry!! BBBenny:scholar:

[Too Many Projects]

NOW, it needs to smoke some tires and run in the 12's on Friday....:3gears: :biggthumpup:

[enio45]

BBBenny - your car did well also - nice job underneath!

[HuggerSS]

Benny, you have a beautiful Z. Congratulations!

[Copo_Cartel]

Yes he does . The color combination matches his Copo