2023 Mecum Kissimmee

[70 copo]

Prices down and most of no sales the first two days at Kissimmee.

I hope this turns around...

[70 copo]

The start:

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[Richls5]

Prices down and most of no sales the first two days at Kissimmee.

I hope this turns around...

A lot of stuff I saw wasn't the greatest then the hammer prices surprised me. Some of the square bodies and gm trucks I'm speaking on.

[aawtech]

I don't know if I agree. My old 68 Impala Custom (great, well optioned survivor BB car) was the 4th car through the auction on Wednesday am (crappy slot) and sold for $51,700. It can be seen in the trailer above. Beautiful original Seafrost green with matching cloth interior.

[EZ Nova]

MOST prices for an early timeslots look pretty strong. ONLY the 66/67 427 Vettes seem down...

[rlw68]

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0123-539133/1969-chevrolet-camaro-rsss/

231779

:biggthumpup:

[ryanchevelle]

Wow. I question if people are bidding against themselves in these situations. It’s all a whirlwind and you can’t tell who’s actually bidding especially when you consider “the Internet bidder”.

[SBR]

MOST prices for an early timeslots look pretty strong. ONLY the 66/67 427 Vettes seem down...

If I was a betting man, I would wager that the reason is because they have "issues" The best 67 427 car there by a mile is F156. All original no hit body and fiberglass, real tags, docs (WS is a repo but TS and POP are real) and engine stamp. Restored with almost all of its assembly line parts. Let's see how that one does. My guess is it will do well.

[EZ Nova]

SBR. I'm looking for a nice "driver" 67 427 side pipe car. And the 3 I seen were nice cars and the $$$ seemed will down about 20%+.

[RPOLS3]

If I was a betting man, I would wager that the reason is because they have "issues" The best 67 427 car there by a mile is F156.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0123-545210/1967-chevrolet-corvette-coupe/

[Charley Lillard]

I saw someone posted Mecum is at 80% sale rate.

[EZ Nova]

It looks like there were some ok buys. I seen that lot J149, 427/390 Lynndale Blue was was right where it was thought to be, between $80,000 - $100,000. J150 Red 427/435 convert was under the $100,000 - $125,000. And both were with buyers premium.

Just not ready to pull the trigger yet. Will keep making notes and maybe this year we get our '67 427 for a memory of my dad who want to buy one in 1967.

[lowmile]

I may think different than most people but I wouldn't care if the bottom fell out of the collector car market, yes and that includes any cars that I currently own. Every time I hear the term "investment quality" I throw up al little in my mouth.

[mprice]

I am not sure I would want the bottom to fall out but it wouldn't disappoint me if there would be a correction downward. All of these prices are just crazy to the point that I hate to jump in on a car that I really want for the concern of will the market continue to hold where it is. It's a little like the stock market we are just waiting for the next dip. The fun went out of it when you have to pay as much for a car as you do for a nice house.

[Charley Lillard]

Keep in mind alot of restoration shops would be out of business if the values dropped a bunch.

[luzl78]

Too high car prices… too high restoration prices. Vicious cycle. People will pay the high restoration prices hoping for a super high return at the auctions. The casual layman can’t afford the restoration prices so the market has turned into the wealthy owning the market.

[Formula455SD]

MOST prices for an early timeslots look pretty strong. ONLY the 66/67 427 Vettes seem down...

I bought a '66 427 roadster last year.. :ooo:

[Steve Shauger]

Trying to time the market is a double edged. Those that thought the market would collapse the past 5 years and waited probably regret not buying "that car" and others that continued to buy feel pretty good (at least for now in the present market). Those that purely purchased cars for their passion of the hobby and love of cars are in good shape whether it's high and low because you can go in your garage and admire your car or thrash on it and smile through the gears. Just don't invest your life savings expecting a return. Speculating whether it be in cars or bitcoin it’s a gamble and always keep that in mind.

[427.060]

Keep in mind alot of restoration shops would be out of business if the values dropped a bunch.

Is that necessarily a bad thing?

[luzl78]

Is that necessarily a bad thing?

The remaining shops would crank up their prices.

[SS427]

Why are restoration shops being pointed out as the bad guys for making a living and "driving up the cost" of the hobby? I for one do not nor have I ever restored a car for a flipper. One who wants to "restore" the car simply to take it to the auction and flip it and make a ton of money. I only restored for the collectors of which few seldom ever complain about the cost and got what they paid for, their dream car. I am in this hobby for the love of it and certainly NOT the money as I for one have NEVER gotten rich restoring cars. I would also ask why it is ok for people to sell cars and make a nice profit but it is not ok for those that helped you get that profit? Many say they are using it for their investment but we cannot be part of their reason for making that profit on their investment? Those who say our prices are too high don't seem to have an issue being paid well for what they do for a living yet it is wrong that we do???? Building a home is certainly ridiculously costly but I do not hear some of you complaining about that every time you build another home. Many of you make as much or more per hour than I charge for my hourly shop rate (NOT what I get paid). My shop rate is 50% of what my local new car dealership charges but I am wrong? Wow! Sorry to vent on here but I for one have NEVER gotten rich from this livelihood but it is the one I chose and loved so I take it for what it gave me, just don't make US out to be the ones at fault.

[frankk]

Rick....message received and understood and supported

[Lynn]

Why are restoration shops being pointed out as the bad guys for making a living and "driving up the cost" of the hobby? I for one do not nor have I ever restored a car for a flipper. One who wants to "restore" the car simply to take it to the auction and flip it and make a ton of money. I only restored for the collectors of which few seldom ever complain about the cost and got what they paid for, their dream car. I am in this hobby for the love of it and certainly NOT the money as I for one have NEVER gotten rich restoring cars. I would also ask why it is ok for people to sell cars and make a nice profit but it is not ok for those that helped you get that profit? Many say they are using it for their investment but we cannot be part of their reason for making that profit on their investment? Those who say our prices are too high don't seem to have an issue being paid well for what they do for a living yet it is wrong that we do???? Building a home is certainly ridiculously costly but I do not hear some of you complaining about that every time you build another home. Many of you make as much or more per hour than I charge for my hourly shop rate (NOT what I get paid). My shape rate is 50% of what my local new car dealership charges but I am wrong? Wow! Sorry to vent on here but I for one have NEVER gotten rich from this livelihood but it is the one I chose and loved so I take it for what it gave me, just don't make US out to be the ones at fault.

Vent away buddy. I am with you.

The biggest reason restoration is so expensive is because it is incredibly time consuming!!!!

Guessing your labor rate is on par with independent repair shops. Because of the high degree of skill, I would expect to pay higher rates.

[TimG]

The good Corvette restoration shops I've known have been operated by standup individuals that work hard for a living.

[67since67]

Additionally, these hard working shop owners are faced with ever increasing costs of doing business, aka overhead, plus cost of materials, local, state, and federal regulations, AND trying to retain competent employees.

I was on the phone this morning with my body/paint guy who mentioned how he no longer has anyone to install convertible tops. So many skilled people are leaving the business. - Bill W

[Teddy]

Additionally, these hard working shop owners are faced with ever increasing costs of doing business, aka overhead, plus cost of materials, local, state, and federal regulations, AND trying to retain competent employees.

I was on the phone this morning with my body/paint guy who mentioned how he no longer has anyone to install convertible tops. So many skilled people are leaving the business. - Bill W

I've been in the market for a quality classic car for the past two years or so. As much as the prices bother me, Bill's comments have worried me more so. I have noticed the difficulty in finding skilled people in our hobby. Maybe I'm wrong but I took 427.060 comment (post 19) as a compliment to guys like Rick. If a correction occurs, maybe the scammers and second-rate shops will fall by the wayside and the quality restorers like Rick will flourish. One can hope right?

[Big Block Bill]

I've been in the market for a quality classic car for the past two years or so. As much as the prices bother me, Bill's comments have worried me more so. I have noticed the difficulty in finding skilled people in our hobby. Maybe I'm wrong but I took 427.060 comment (post 19) as a compliment to guys like Rick. If a correction occurs, maybe the scammers and second-rate shops will fall by the wayside and the quality restorers like Rick will flourish. One can hope right?

I presume shops like Rick's have such a backlog for restorations, they can not get them all completed as it is. I believe it all boils down to the expertise and the staff to be able to continually produce a high end award winning product. Rick has proven time and time again that he and his staff are the people to deliver a restoration that is correct will pass all judging criteria currently in place.

Bill

[aawtech]

Is that necessarily a bad thing?

What a horrible comment! Most "GOOD" restoration shops are doing great work at a fair price, and turn out a beautiful car for someone who lacks the talent to do so for themselves. Ask any shop owner, they are NOT getting wealthy. Some guys chase the dragon month to month to keep the place going.

I cannot be believe that a car person, on a site like the Super Car Registry, would even think about the comment you made, much less blurting it out in writing on the site.

Furthermore, I can't believe I'm the only person who called you out on it.

Donny

[bergy]

I wouldn't mind it if the bad resto shops went out of business. In to 30 years of doing restorations though, I've only had one bad experience. I send the rare cars out for restoration, and do the less valuable cars myself (except for paint which I don't have the equipment or skill to do myself). If you've ever done a complete nut and bolt restoration, you know that it takes a minimum of 1,000 man hours. A lot of tedious work combined with knowledge and skill.

[427.060]

I guess I should have explained my comment. I was referring to the bad shops. The ones that are in it just for the money. The ones that don't put in the research to make sure the restorations are done correctly. The ones that hide and cover up bad work. Shops like Rick's will always have work because of the quality of what they do. I am sorry for not being clear as to what I meant.

[67BelAir427]

I am not sure I would want the bottom to fall out but it wouldn't disappoint me if there would be a correction downward. All of these prices are just crazy to the point that I hate to jump in on a car that I really want for the concern of will the market continue to hold where it is. It's a little like the stock market we are just waiting for the next dip. The fun went out of it when you have to pay as much for a car as you do for a nice house.

Mick, I have been watching a beautiful 69 ZL1 car in the for sale section here for a while now.
I am waiting for a "downward correction" but am doubtful it will dip enough to meet my budget !

[Jeff H]

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0123-539133/1969-chevrolet-camaro-rsss/

https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=231779

:biggthumpup:

Wow, it sounds like it doesn't have the original trans and the rear being listed as "correct" sounds like it's not original either. Does this car have any paperwork, I didn't notice it?

[TMagda]

Mick, I have been watching a beautiful 69 ZL1 car in the for sale section here for a while now.
I am waiting for a "downward correction" but am doubtful it will dip enough to meet my budget !

Me too! What a beauty. Looks like it's not worth $100, but it has to be close. I bet is sounds amazing. Needs headers and Cragars!

[Lynn]

If the dash carrier is original, then it wasn't a U17 optioned car. Could have had the console without gauges, but the gauge package included the clock.

Mecum quit posting pics of trim tags and engine stamps, so no pics.

[Carleen]

She looks so sad
Fender drop, new repo fenders

[Lynn]

Although that fender droop isn't near as bad as most aftermarket fenders I have seen. Guessing the body shop spent some time correcting it, at least to a degree.

[Pusher_Man]

Wow, it sounds like it doesn't have the original trans and the rear being listed as "correct" sounds like it's not original either. Does this car have any paperwork, I didn't notice it?

“Matching Numbers” engine = not original either. I think the difference with the trans is they never restamped it, probably. No docs mentioned and how much you want to bet there’s something up with the trim tag?

[Pro Stock John]

Some great Camaros coming up for Auction.

[black69]

my feeling on that orange Camaro is it was a maybe clever way to transfer an extra $80-100K to a seller. Maybe watching Ozarks skewed me a bit on potential money laundering, but something is real fishy on that car sale. I know people fight over a certain car type, but this is not a survivor car, its not a copo, its not a daytona or hemi cuda. Its not a costly to build resto mod. Just a very odd sale and smells funny. It's an elephant in the room sale (and the elephant is not a hemi ;) )

[William]

It sold at Mecum IL 2014 for $60,000, again the following year at Mecum CO for $59,000.

Quite an appreciation.

[Richls5]

Idk why anyone is blaming a restoration shop for the hobby getting out of hands it's dealerships buying cars for 40 and selling for 70-80 I get everyone needs to eat but it's ridiculous

[ACR]

Idk why anyone is blaming a restoration shop for the hobby getting out of hands it's dealerships buying cars for 40 and selling for 70-80 I get everyone needs to eat but it's ridiculous


My 2 cents but this is another huge factor. In the last six months, I've been priced out of two different purchases when flippers were able to get to them faster than me (obviously being on the other side of the world in Australia doesn't help) only to see them listed weeks later with a minimum 20K markup. Once a car goes up in price and sells at these inflated prices, I've noticed it's much less likely to ever come back down. Rinse and repeat with many cars across the market for a particular make and model and you end up with a hyper-inflated market. Additionally, factor in people looking at these inflated prices when considering selling their car and suddenly you've got a lot of people believing they have something worth more than realistically obtainable and unwilling to move on price... It's been a vicious circle lately...

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

Good Lord!!! I know this car from back in 2005 before it changed hands several times and several auctions. That’s some coin for a basic 396/325hp. Glad I have mine :)

$97,000

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

Helps to show the car. Lol

[black69]

A friend just sent me a picture of a black challenger T/A going for $200K. I got to start watching this on motortrend. crazy.

[Kurt S]

But what a great color on that 67!

[jeffschevelle]

First post said "Prices down and most of no sales the first two days at Kissimmee. I hope this turns around..."

I think your wish came true !!

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

First post said "Prices down and most of no sales the first two days at Kissimmee. I hope this turns around..."

I think your wish came true !!

Jeff

Take a look at the 66/67 SS prices. Insane prices and as we all know. You can’t believe everything you READ when cars are described as REAL etc etc LOL

[GrumpyJeff]

Thankfully I'm content with what i own ! And I luckily purchased before this huge up swing on Muscle Car price's. My 70 RS Z/28 was purchased in 2010 & my 70 SS Chevelle in 2017. Recently I have had serious cash offers on both cars at more than double my original purchase prices ... That being said , I feel confident in saying that there is No Way i could even come close to replacing either car for what i could of sold them for ? Hard to find anything privately anymore ! Sadly these auctions & all the Muscle Car dealer/ brokers have priced most blue collar Motor Heads out of the market ?!?!

[black69]

time to adjust insurance policy values.

[turbo69bird]

I’ll chime in on restoration shops, I believe many times the prices seem high because everything is easy from your desk, or your lazy boy. The people complaining have probably never worked with toxic chemicals or done physical labor, they see a part time gardener or ditch digger getting low hourly pay and assume everyone who works with their hands should too.
I personally had isocyanate issues from paint and can’t work with it anymore. (So I know that possible cost) As much as the prices will kill me to pay, when the time comes, I also understand just how much work goes into doing a car correctly. It’s not just the labor, it’s the knowledge , it’s the tools , it’s the storage, it’s the real estate to do it all and it’s the time chasing parts. Even myself I forget just how much time goes into it, because when it’s your own car some of that is already covered because it’s your home or your business expenses your already covering, plus parts chasing is kinda fun (well not for me but for some) a restoration shop has to roll all that cost into each car

That being said I have seen some absolutely outrageous prices (for a regular guy to pay) thrown out by some restoration shops, plus you’d be upside down even in a very valuable car. For some money isn’t an object and that’s where those prices come from the cost to KNOW a guys reputation and know how it’s gonna come out and not be sold or stolen, or in auto body jail is well worth being upside down. Give it a few years the market will catch up anyway, right.

So there’s a little of both out there I guess depends which person you are what category you fall into. The old saying holds true there’s an azz for every seat nothings changed it always has and always will suck for those without the coin for the finer things in life and high end muscle cars have turned into the finer things in life.
I’m just happy I bought mine in the late 80s and early 90s just wish I’d bought all the parts I needed then too. Still glad I raced the heck out of them though.

That’s my .02 cents and it’s probably only worth .01 at best ��

[SS427]

What really amazes me in recent years are the people that pay $300k-$500k or more to have a custom Pro-Touring car built up to that days current fads only to sell it a few years later when those fads have passed for $150k but then complain about a $125k restoration where the value of their car increases every year. I don't get it. I eat a TON of labor on restorations but bill for every minute on a Pro-Touring car with no issues. Go figure!

[njsteve]

A friend just sent me a picture of a black challenger T/A going for $200K. I got to start watching this on motortrend. crazy.

It went for $220,000 with commission.

It was a neat car. I knew Kenny Papa of Papa's Dodge way back in the early 1980's when he put on a show in Farmington, Connecticut every May. It was THE go-to Mopar show in the region. Everybody would debut their latest over-the-winter restorations at that show. And he had that black on black T/A there every year. I think he owned it since the late 1970's, as well as the blue Superbird. Here's a couple photos of the car from his 1982 show, so he had it for at least 40 years.

The only car that surprised me was how low the 1 of 12 produced, 1971 hemi/automatic Challenger went for. ($115,500 with commission).

Papa's Dodge is still in business in CT to this day.

https://www.mecum.com/auctions/kissimmee-2023/collections/ken-papa-collection/

[black69]

thanks for posting that challenger!! what a great car and history. To me, I can see the price as its got the rare color combo, 4 spd, and its a real car. Wont find another easily.

Love the big tires in front!

[SupremeDeluxe]

What really amazes me in recent years are the people that pay $300k-$500k or more to have a custom Pro-Touring car built up to that days current fads only to sell it a few years later when those fads have passed for $150k but then complain about a $125k restoration where the value of their car increases every year. I don't get it. I eat a TON of labor on restorations but bill for every minute on a Pro-Touring car with no issues. Go figure!

That is a great comment. Most people don't get the big picture when it comes to preservation OR restoration of the real ones. Doing these cars accurately costs cubic money. And, where are the REAL untouched cars to start with?

So we build a $350K restomod, then in 5 years doesn't it just look like one of the Pro-Street cars on the cover of Hot Rod in 1986? Who likes tweed seats and door panels right now? Will we like a 2022 Resto-Mod 64 Corvette that has been converted to look like a 67, any more 20 years down the road?

My son just turned 4. Every new toy that comes through the shop...first comment from the boy is, "Dad, when can we drive it?"

[Miagiman]

I’ll chime in on restoration shops, I believe many times the prices seem high because everything is easy from your desk, or your lazy boy. The people complaining have probably never worked with toxic chemicals or done physical labor, they see a part time gardener or ditch digger getting low hourly pay and assume everyone who works with their hands should too.
I personally had isocyanate issues from paint and can’t work with it anymore. (So I know that possible cost) As much as the prices will kill me to pay, when the time comes, I also understand just how much work goes into doing a car correctly. It’s not just the labor, it’s the knowledge , it’s the tools , it’s the storage, it’s the real estate to do it all and it’s the time chasing parts. Even myself I forget just how much time goes into it, because when it’s your own car some of that is already covered because it’s your home or your business expenses your already covering, plus parts chasing is kinda fun (well not for me but for some) a restoration shop has to roll all that cost into each car

That being said I have seen some absolutely outrageous prices (for a regular guy to pay) thrown out by some restoration shops, plus you’d be upside down even in a very valuable car. For some money isn’t an object and that’s where those prices come from the cost to KNOW a guys reputation and know how it’s gonna come out and not be sold or stolen, or in auto body jail is well worth being upside down. Give it a few years the market will catch up anyway, right.

So there’s a little of both out there I guess depends which person you are what category you fall into. The old saying holds true there’s an azz for every seat nothings changed it always has and always will suck for those without the coin for the finer things in life and high end muscle cars have turned into the finer things in life.
I’m just happy I bought mine in the late 80s and early 90s just wish I’d bought all the parts I needed then too. Still glad I raced the heck out of them though.

That’s my .02 cents and it’s probably only worth .01 at best ��

That's exactly my take, crazy money being spent, when you can spend a million on a car it's chump change!

[BARRY]

HI heres what 1.3 million gets you .. some one replace the trunk floor ..Can you imagine scraping all that duraguard off.

[black69]

I will say this on the car prices. First, many of us our out of touch with the people that have lots of funds. If there are people out there that can buy $100K suburbans, is it really a stretch to think there aren't people out there to buy a $100K car they like even if over priced?

I was shocked the other day on a ride from the airport in California, I asked the driver for details on a new suburban I was in. It had the most quiet diesel, super loaded. He said it was 100k or so, maybe over 100K. There is one example.

If a suburban can cost $100K, I see no reason now a killer rare black challenger T/A 4 spd (with restoration costs done right) can go for 200K plus.

I still think that orange L78 camaro that went for 181K is a form of a hunter biden painting on wheels. That one makes no sense.

[njsteve]

The black on black T/A Challenger was unrestored. Same condition as when I last saw it 40+ years ago. Not original paint but repainted in the early 1980's most likely. A very cool time capsule.

[njsteve]

My old 71 sunroof car went for $550,000. I sold it to Kevin Greene in 1994 for $54,000. That was a good amount back then. (I thought).

918% gain in 29 years, give or take a percentage.


https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0123-539543/1971-dodge-hemi-charger-rt-sunroof/

[njsteve]

HI heres what 1.3 million gets you .. some one replace the trunk floor ..Can you imagine scraping all that duraguard off.


???

The car was a very low mileage (6,000 miles) example when originally purchased by Otis Chandler for his collection in 1987. It had a crazy custom panel paint job and an L88 fiberglass hood scoop back in the day. No trunk floor was replaced.

And that is what the original, extra cost undercoating looks like when it was factory installed. My 70 Hemi Charger looked just like that. It's like they hired an asphalt repaving crew to apply the stuff with steam roller back then. It was almost 3/8" thick.

[Jimlt4383]

It went for $220,000 with commission.

It was a neat car. I knew Kenny Papa of Papa's Dodge way back in the early 1980's when he put on a show in Farmington, Connecticut every May. It was THE go-to Mopar show in the region. Everybody would debut their latest over-the-winter restorations at that show. And he had that black on black T/A there every year. I think he owned it since the late 1970's, as well as the blue Superbird. Here's a couple photos of the car from his 1982 show, so he had it for at least 40 years.

The only car that surprised me was how low the 1 of 12 produced, 1971 hemi/automatic Challenger went for. ($115,500 with commission).

Papa's Dodge is still in business in CT to this day.

https://www.mecum.com/auctions/kissimmee-2023/collections/ken-papa-collection/
I would suggest u do a Google search on the Vin on the challenger. 115k is way to much.

[njsteve]

Can you post the VIN? Mecum doesn’t list them.

[PeteLeathersac]

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‘71 Hemi Challenger VIN JS23R1B266605
“Partially re-bodied” as 2010 BJ Auction info as link below = why Mecum also others avoid including Vins?:hmmm:
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-DODGE-HEMI-CHALLENGER-R/T-2-DOOR-HARDTOP-88887

:beers:
~ Pete

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[njsteve]

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‘71 Hemi Challenger VIN JS23R1B266605
“Partially re-bodied” as 2010 BJ Auction info as link below = why Mecum also others avoid including Vins?:hmmm:
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-DODGE-HEMI-CHALLENGER-R/T-2-DOOR-HARDTOP-88887

:beers:
~ Pete

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OUCH!

That's an anomaly in his collection I guess. All his other cars were really long term owned originals.

[EZ Nova]

I would say, on a whole, the market is still very strong for these cars and prices up pretty good.

[bergy]

I agree - we may have to consider including that 1969 Yenko "prototype" Camaro in the registry!

[Bill Pritchard]

I watched several hours of TV coverage yesterday (Friday) and will say it was very refreshing to see mostly true collector cars (or at least what I consider to be collector cars) going across the block, with only a smattering of newer stuff, resto-mods, etc. I will be attending B-J later this month, primarily because it's close to me and my neighbor has free tickets :) , but they seem to have developed a different idea of what constitutes a collector car these days. They certainly have a lot of vehicles that fit my idea of a collector car, but every year there seem to be fewer of them. If B-J thinks they can sell it, it's in their auction, regardless of what it is :(

[Pusher_Man]

Another year goes by and more and more fakes sell for big money. Am I the only one that feels nauseated by this?
I honestly don’t know much what to think anymore. People are fully incentivized to lie, cheat, and steal. And many feel the auction houses are just as bad. Plausible deniability is on full display.
Thoughts?

[carnut4life]

When it comes to the "questionable" cars being sold for big money I think it boils down to a significant number people out there with money to burn that have been getting into muscle cars over the last couple of years. They're not as educated about these cars as they should be and it's leading to foolish decisions like assuming that a car that's been in a magazine or two is what its reported to be at the auction. The auction companies are covered by their disclaimers so they just keep them going across the block as fast as they can sell them without fear if a car or the docs are real or not. Throw a little alcohol in there along with the TV camera's and you've got a perfect storm for a bad decision. I think most of us on this site know better but the poor folks buying those cars don't and they're going to get a expensive wake up call one of these days if they do there homework. But if they didn't do their homework on a car before the auction will they once they get it home? Companies that don't post the VIN aren't doing us any favors either IMO.

[JoeC]

YS-8051 sold for $412.5K in 2023 and $407K in 2022

[David C.]

People making a great return on investment are the ones who bought zr1s. Seems dealers sell them to their friends and unload at auction to make over a 100k profit!

[cheveslakr]

"poor folks buying these cars" ... please.

[southernfriedcj]

One day one of the well-heeled buyers of an illegitimate car is going to take the seller and the auction house to court and the outcome will be interesting.

[bluel78]

High priced classics are a double edged sword. It keeps the next generation out of the game because they can't afford to play. On the other hand it makes restoring old cars and pickups easier because the quality and availability of aftermarket parts.

[Jonesy]

Orange Camaro is 124379N689832.

[rlw68]

Is this a case of EtOH driven price inflation or I am missing something :hmmm:

124379N626283

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0123-545764/1969-chevrolet-camaro-rs-z28/

232245

[TimG]

Nice car, I didn’t see spoilers or hood on the window sticker.

[Pusher_Man]

Obviously, that’s why it didn’t bring 400k.

[rlw68]

Obviously, that’s why it didn’t bring 400k.


Well, hopefully at $297,000 the documentation cache with two build sheets, POP, window sticker, and delivery check list are all legit


232272

[mrays]

Shouldn't a RS Z/28 that is painted Tuxedo Black have a silver grill? There were two Tuxedo Black 69 RS Z/28's at the auction. Lot F176 hammered at $152.5K and Lot S166 hammered at $270K. They both appeared to have issues.

[Big Block Bill]

Yes they should. Right or wrong, proof BLACK sells when it comes to Muscle Cars.

Bill

[Richls5]

Good Lord!!! I know this car from back in 2005 before it changed hands several times and several auctions. That’s some coin for a basic 396/325hp. Glad I have mine :)

$97,000

I have a friend with a 2,600 mile survivor 396/325hp car he was pretty happy to see that number when I showed him. He's been trying to figure out a number in it

[whitetop]

I have a friend with a 2,600 mile survivor 396/325hp car he was pretty happy to see that number when I showed him. He's been trying to figure out a number in it

I have a friend with a 396/375 Nova. He is the original owner. Original paint 8900 original miles. Lemans Blue. Bought new at Kuchinka Chevrolet. Bellaire ohio

[jerry455]

Some great reading on this thread- especially when additional facts about specific cars are presented to help explain the price paid or conditions that were overlooked to buyers.
Although there certainly was more than a few sales that raised eyebrows, there were a few gems that I thought were a good buy. Lot F212 was a "STEAL" in my opinion?
Love to here any thoughts?

[Crush]

I have a friend with a 396/375 Nova. He is the original owner. Original paint 8900 original miles. Lemans Blue. Bought new at Kuchinka Chevrolet. Bellaire ohio

ThAt nova is badazzzz

[Richls5]

I have a friend with a 396/375 Nova. He is the original owner. Original paint 8900 original miles. Lemans Blue. Bought new at Kuchinka Chevrolet. Bellaire ohio

That's a badass ride!

[whitetop]

8900 mile Bellaire Ohio 396/375. He took out the early Sun tach and replaced it with a newer tach but early Sun accessory greenline gauges still remain
Et finned real end cover. Homemade ladder bars

[Crush]

8900 mile Bellaire Ohio 396/375. He took out the early Sun tach and replaced it with a newer tach but early Sun accessory greenline gauges still remain
Et finned real end cover. Homemade ladder bars

Love this car!

[SPEEDYB]

Killer car

[seventieshow]

Highlights...

Record 4,000 vehicles consigned to Mecum Kissimmee 2023
Record 3,180 vehicles sold at Mecum Kissimmee 2023
Record attendance of both registered bidders and spectators
$234 million in sales—the most ever at Mecum Kissimmee and eclipsing the $217 million achieved at Mecum Kissimmee 2022
The first-ever auction to achieve more than $200 million in sales in consecutive years.
A total of 13 vehicles realizing seven-figure sale prices

https://www.positivelyosceola.com/mecum-kissimmee-2023-first-auto-auction-ever-to-exceed-200-million-in-back-to-back-years/

Judging by a few random Barrett Jackson early sales the trend is continuing.

[Steve Shauger]

I have a friend with a 396/375 Nova. He is the original owner. Original paint 8900 original miles. Lemans Blue. Bought new at Kuchinka Chevrolet. Bellaire ohio

I have close friend who lives in Bellaire, and purchased a 67 rs/ss L35 brand new, from Richard Chevrolet, and sometime later reverted back to Kuchinka Chevrolet. Anyway if your friend wants an original Kuchinka sticker for his car, let me know and I will hook your friend up with one.

[JRSully]

would love to know what the license plate wording means.?

[realzed]

If the owner is old enough - OHIO PLATE = University of Baltimore '59 year...???