1967 Camaro SS 396/375 - 1122 Actual miles

[John]

... Always been a drag car.
... Never been registered for license plates to drive on the street.
... 1967 Camaro SS 396/375
... 4P car
... Original Paint
... Original Interior
... 1122 Original miles
... Hechler Chevrolet ordered and delivered the car.

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=963

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=960

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=956

:3gears::3gears:

[1967 4K]

👍

[Big Block Bill]

... Always been a drag car.
... Never been registered for license plates to drive on the street.
... 1967 Camaro SS 396/375
... 4P car
... Original Paint
... Original Interior
... 1122 Original miles
... Hechler Chevrolet ordered and delivered the car.

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=963

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=960

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=956

:3gears::3gears:

Am I the first person to request pictures? If so, a Guy has to be known for something. Bill

[John]

...

... Here you go ...

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=966

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=962

[1967Z28]

I'm not seeing the pics. Anybody else having the same problem?

[John]

... Try this link to my photos

https://www.yenko.net/forum/album.php?albumid=141

...

[Rsconv68]

No pictures. ����

[Big Block Bill]

Well?.... We're Waiting! Bill

[John]

Are they showing up now ?
I changed the setting to public in my photo album.

[Too Many Projects]

Interesting tag with 4P, which would, normally, indicate an L48...:confused2:

[Hawkeye]

Photos

[John]

...

... Thanks guys for getting the photos up !

...:beers:

...

[1967 4K]

4P, fourth week of March 03D. Hmmm 🤔
Is the MQ engine still in the car?

[John]

...
... The original MQ motor is not in the car .
I do have a 1969 396/375 motor that was supplied by the sponsor at that time ...
Watts Chevrolet
Williamsburg, Virginia
:3gears:
...

[Hawkeye]

Few more photos from FB. If early L78 were coded 4P on the trim tags, when was the change over to 4K? Just trying to educate myself.
Thanks,
Marty

[1967 4K]

Marty, we recently been discussing a 4P L78 car I know about but don’t have knowledge of its TT to get the build date. Its last six vin numbers are 208??? And yours is 198??? Built 03D.
Your info helps us time line build dates for other 4P cars. I’m thinking the car I’m referring to is a 04B car. Most people think that the last 4P L78’s were in April.
Nice car, love the color. Are you going to get her back in the road?
Later

[Hawkeye]

Thanks for the information. The Camaro in the post is not mine. I have been helping post some photos since they initially were not showing properly. It’s a very cool car and just want to be educated on the 4P L78’s.
Thanks,
Marty

[big gear head]

I love the color, and the Cragars. This is one of those cars that I would not restore to factory condition.

[169indy]

Thanks for the information. The Camaro in the post is not mine. I have been helping post some photos since they initially were not showing properly. It’s a very cool car and just want to be educated on the 4P L78’s.
Thanks,
Marty

Link to CRG
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#67Codes

[luzl78]

Was the car repainted? Only ask because of the lack of black painted tail panel.

[1967 4K]

Notice on the TT the 3K which is ext mouldg. The drip rail SSteel trim is present and the double pin stripe down the side but the wheel well mouldings are not present. Could just be they were removed per owner preference.
Got any engine compartment pics? Curious about the brakes, fan shroud and radiator and small stuff.

[Zedder]

Correct steering wheel horn button for an L78. I think it’s been repainted. Cool car!

[1967Z28]

They did a nice job on the front stripe if it has been repainted. Very cool car but I prefer the earlier wheels and lettering.

[John]

... I recently purchased this SS 396/375 Camero.
... It is a 4P car.
... It has not been repainted.
... It has always been a drag car.
... 1122 actual miles.
... It going to clean up very nicely and I plan on leaving it as it has always been.

...:3gears::3gears:
...

[cook_dw]

John, I sent you a pm. Congrats and glad you are keeping it as is. Earliest known L78 to be sold to public to date if I'm not mistaken..

[luzl78]

owner must have sprayed the tail panel blue. the tail panels were all painted black when the 396-325 came out in january. i’m sure there’s the black under the blue paint.

[cook_dw]

Pop the trunk and snag some photos and you will be able to tell for certain.

[Jeff H]

With the 4P on the trim tag, wouldn't this appear to Fisher to be an SS350 and therefore get the body color rear panel as opposed to the 396/325 getting the 4N which would indicate black rear body panel? Then, when the 4K came out they knew to paint the rear panel black? Just thinking out loud which I know is dangerous.

[John]

owner must have sprayed the tail panel blue. the tail panels were all painted black when the 396-325 came out in january. i’m sure there’s the black under the blue paint.
...
... I will get some photos of that to share with all of you.
... I had heard that the 4P was a Body by Fisher code that said that the back panel was to be painted the same color as the rest of the car ... like the Original 1967 PaceCar which was also a 375 car with 4P ... correct me if I am wrong. :burnout:

[Stefano]

Very Kool find, congratulations !

[luzl78]

With the 4P on the trim tag, wouldn't this appear to Fisher to be an SS350 and therefore get the body color rear panel as opposed to the 396/325 getting the 4N which would indicate black rear body panel? Then, when the 4K came out they knew to paint the rear panel black? Just thinking out loud which I know is dangerous.

you might be right!

[Zedder]

My old 4P L78 had been repainted by the time I got it, but there were remnants of the original black tail panel showing in the trunk. I think I still have a pic of that on my old computer. I'll take a look if I have time.

[1967 4K]

Hmmm 🤔 Jeff H, that makes sense about Fisher thinking it’s a 350 car. Hopefully we can get some pics inside the trunk to check this out.
Good thinking 99.

[bcmiller]

Very interested in hearing if the rear panel is original paint.

I would not be surprised if it slipped through with body color paint since it is such an early L78.

[69 Post Sedan]

Although not a Camaro, but worth saying, Jerry Frailey's original paint 1969 L78 Chevelle arrived without the tail panel painted from the factory. He was disappointed because his buddies Chevelle was……and he liked the look. So he grabbed one of his mom’s lace cloths and painted the black on the tail panel himself, with the lace pattern. It currently is covered with vinyl (I really don’t know why). Unfortunately, it can’t be seen in these pictures but if you saw the car in person, you can see the lace pattern underneath the vinyl.

My point being, could the tail panel on this Camaro been missed for paint……?

Just food for thought.

Kurt

[John]

Hmmm 🤔 Jeff H, that makes sense about Fisher thinking it’s a 350 car. Hopefully we can get some pics inside the trunk to check this out.
Good thinking 99.

... Are these the photos you need ?


https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=988

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=989

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=990

... I don't know why my photos are side ways ...
:dunno:

[1967 4K]

No sign of black paint as I can see. I think this is the first 4P L78 we’ve had a chance to look at here on the site in detail. I’m enjoying it.
Thanks

[cook_dw]

Original paint and never had blackout done. IMHO.

[cook_dw]

Would you care to post or email me engine compartment photos please.

[69 Post Sedan]

... I recently purchased this SS 396/375 Camero.
... It is a 4P car.
... It has not been repainted.
... It has always been a drag car.
... 1122 actual miles.
... It going to clean up very nicely and I plan on leaving it as it has always been.

...:3gears::3gears:
...


I think I speak for many…..that we’re elated that you are keeping this special car in its current state……and not made in to a cookie cutter like other former race cars.

So thank goodness this time capsule has the right caretaker!!!

Kurt :beers:

on a side note, there’s nothing wrong with concourse restored cars, but this one deserves to stay the way it is….

[RPOLS3]

Bring it to MCACN !!!

[Jeff H]

Did a quick search on CRG and cut and pasted the 67 4P section:

4
P L48 or L30/M20 yes ENGINE REINF ASY SS350 or L30/M20 - Non SS396/Z28 paint with radius rod (See note above on early Norwood use.)
N L35 yes ENGINE REINF ASY SS396/325hp - Black tailpan with radius rod
K L78 yes ENGINE REINF ASY SS396/375hp - Black tailpan with radius rod
L Z28 yes ENGINE REINF ASY Z28 - Rally stripes with radius rod
F D33 yes MIRROR REM CONT

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And really cool car!

[John]

...

.... Did other 1967 camaros
that were 396/375 4P cars
normally have a BLACK tail panel ?

:dunno:

...

[cook_dw]

I know of an April 4P L78 and you can see the blackout inside the trunk area. Just for the sake of it can you snag a photo of the trunk latch area to confirm it too does not have any black on it? Example of my 68 L78.

[John]

...

... Yes, I will get photos of that and several of the engine compartment.

:3gears:

[6t7 camaro]

Richard, the missing wheel well mouldings that are part of the 3k option, were most likely removed in preparation for drag racing. I’ve seen multiple drag cars where they removed them to avoid tire rub. Sometimes just the rear sometimes all 4.

[Zedder]

Here is a pic of an original paint nose stripe on an L78. Looks nearly identical to yours. When I first saw yours I thought it was repainted because of the bigger spacing on the bottom of the stripe, but you can see that this one is the same. Very cool car.

[Zedder]

Another pic of the original paint tail pan and trunk latch.

[Zedder]

One more…

[John]

:scholar:...

... Thanks for showing me those photos.

... You guys are great at sharing each of yours individual input with photos for all of us to learn from ... Thanks again !

...
:scholar::scholar:

...

...

[1967 4K]

This is a pic of my nose stripe that was layed out per the dimensions giving in the 67 AIM book. Looks like the pic Mark posted IMO.
John, your 4P car is the first one I’ve ever had a chance to look at in detail so I wasn’t aware of of the no black tail panel deal.Thanks for sharing these pics with all of us.
Does it still have the square single traction bar or did it ever have one?

[John]

I know of an April 4P L78 and you can see the blackout inside the trunk area. Just for the sake of it can you snag a photo of the trunk latch area to confirm it too does not have any black on it? Example of my 68 L78.

....

........... Here you go ....

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1003

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1004

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1006


https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1005

[John]

This is a pic of my nose stripe that was layed out per the dimensions giving in the 67 AIM book. Looks like the pic Mark posted IMO.
John, your 4P car is the first one I’ve ever had a chance to look at in detail so I wasn’t aware of of the no black tail panel deal.Thanks for sharing these pics with all of us.
Does it still have the square single traction bar or did it ever have one?


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Photo of the underside of the body where the single traction bar was ....


https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1007

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1008

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[1967Z28]

Is that a home built frame connector on there?

[1967Z28]

SS396 test car in May '67 issue of Motor Trend also did not have a blacked out rear tailpan.

[John]

Is that a home built frame connector on there?

...... Yes:shocked:

[John]

SS396 test car in May '67 issue of Motor Trend also did not have a blacked out rear tailpan.

....

Was that a 375 hp car ?

...

[John]

...

... Does anyone have a copy of an original 1967 Salesman's order form ?
... I was thinking that possibly the confusion caused by the use of 4P on the cowl tag could be that on the Original Order form there may have been more then one way to order a 375hp Camaro .... by "checking " the SS 350 Option and then also "checking" the 396/375 Option
... thus switching out the 350 motor to the 396/375 motor !
... I am wondering that this confusion started on the Original Order Form being that this was the first year of the Camaro ?
.... :confused2:

...

[1967Z28]

....Was that a 375 hp car ?...

No, it was an L35 325hp version.

[dykstra]

Very cool!! Congrats!!

[Stefano]

This is a pic of my nose stripe that was layed out per the dimensions giving in the 67 AIM book. Looks like the pic Mark posted IMO.
John, your 4P car is the first one I’ve ever had a chance to look at in detail so I wasn’t aware of of the no black tail panel deal.Thanks for sharing these pics with all of us.
Does it still have the square single traction bar or did it ever have one?



I’m seeing a difference in stripe emblem placement ? Is it an optical illusion? The SS emblem on the original paint Camaro butts up to the body line and the stripe is well below the body line. On the white ‘67 the stripe butts up to the body line and the emblems are well above the body line. But yes laid out in similar fashion.

The white Camaros Layout is most like John’s Camaro

[bcmiller]

...

... Does anyone have a copy of an original 1967 Salesman's order form ?
... I was thinking that possibly the confusion caused by the use of 4P on the cowl tag could be that on the Original Order form there may have been more then one way to order a 375hp Camaro .... by "checking " the SS 350 Option and then also "checking" the 396/375 Option
... thus switching out the 350 motor to the 396/375 motor !
... I am wondering that this confusion started on the Original Order Form being that this was the first year of the Camaro ?
.... :confused2:

...

The confusion was probably at the assembly plant. A friend knows of at least one early L78 that received a blacked out tail pan sometime after the bumper was on and trunk weather strip installed.

John your car sure appears to be original paint and it just slipped through without anyone catching it. Not common, but understandable for an early L78.

[Kurt S]

Here's what I know of the 4P L78 cars. 10 are known and there are two more that appear to be added L78 engines. Several of the 10 are block or docs only, so no vehicle data.
The first cars were the pacers.
The first L78 for public sale was Jenkin's car.
The only non-IPC cars that are known to exist are:
Jenkins
John's blue car
Mark's old red car
White convertible that Richard knows about.

[cook_dw]

I wasn't aware Jenkins car was sold through a dealer to Jenkins. Good to know and thank you for the information.


Not to derail this thread but are there any more early photos like the ones I posted previously? Hoping to see it in more stock form (before lettering).



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[Zedder]

Thanks for that info Kurt! I always wondered how many might have been produced.

[John]

.... Thanks for the info Kurt.

...
All of every one's input is greatly appreciated.
...

[plumL78]

there was what we felt like a real one on ebay a number of years ago. It was in NJ so Phil Bate and I took a ride over to check it out. It had all the signs of being a 4p l78. I think it was early an april car and had all the big block heater core and frame mounts with the 4p code. I think it was black. He may have put it in his reg. as a possible car. I will have to find out

[Kurt S]

I wasn't aware Jenkins car was sold through a dealer to Jenkins.
I don't know how they handled the paperwork, but a guy from Grump's shop went to the Tech Center to pick up the car and drove it back to PA. Had to be a long cold trip with no heater, 4.56 gear, and in March.

[John]

...

... My car was put in the garage around 2008 and the owner started to Mini Tub the rear wheel wells to accommodate a wider tire and rim ... but he never completed it.

... The work was not real clean and I want to have it redone.
... Should I put it back with "Stock" wheel tubs
... or put mini tubs to accommodate the wider tires and wheels like he was trying to do ?
...
... All his races were done with "Stock" wheel tubs.
... I appreciate ALL input.

...:dunno:
...

[COPO]

If the work was already done to your satisfaction, then I'd leave it, but since it needs work no question return the wheel tubs to stock configuration.

[1967Z28]

If the work was already done to your satisfaction, then I'd leave it, but since it needs work no question return the wheel tubs to stock configuration.

Agreed.

[John]

...

... That is what I thought too !

... thanks

...

[Pro Stock John]

I love drag racing but I'd put a car like that back to stock tubs.

[John]

...

... Early photo


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https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1017

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... I also have those slotted 4" wide front mags

... I do like that look too !
...

[Xplantdad]

Very cool!!!!:biggthumpup::biggthumpup::biggthumpup:

[Too Many Projects]

Really like the period photos of these old drag cars.
Any progress or thoughts on the rear wheel houses ? Any pics to see what has been done ? If the floor, or frame rails, are butchered and needs replacement, it may be easier to finish a clean install of mini-tubs. If it is just the wheel house, that is a fairly easy replacement and can look quite original when done properly.

[Lynn]

Except for the early big blocks. Same thing with the first few Z/28s in 67.

[enio45]

congrats on the car!!

[John]

...
... Does anyone have the vin # and cowl tag info on Grumpy Jenkins 1967 396/375 Camaro ?
... My Camaro was built 03D
... Which I believe is the same week that Grumpy's car was built.
... I would also like to see how close the body numbers are.
... All that info I believe would be shown on the cowl tag info.
... Thanks for your help. You all are a wealth of knowledge !

[Kurt S]

His car was built 2 days before yours. Next car is 2 weeks later!

[rts]

His car was built 2 days before yours. Next car is 2 weeks later!

Is the next car Marks red/red car?

[John]

... Thanks Kurt, for that information.

... Just trying to find out all that I can about this special car.

:worship:
..

[John]

...
Recent photo of drivers front fender
... Original Paint is looking good

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1021

... oops ... How do I fix that photo ?

[Mr70]

..

[Kurt S]

Is the next car Marks red/red car?

Yes, I listed them in order in a prior post.

[John]

Here's what I know of the 4P L78 cars. 10 are known and there are two more that appear to be added L78 engines. Several of the 10 are block or docs only, so no vehicle data.
The first cars were the pacers.
The first L78 for public sale was Jenkin's car.
The only non-IPC cars that are known to exist are:
Jenkins
John's blue car
Mark's old red car
White convertible that Richard knows about.

.... Here is that prior post .
... Thanks for clearing thar up.

:biggthumpup:

...

[rts]

Thank you Kurt

[John]

...
... Photo of the car when New.

... Prior to any lettering.

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1022

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[dykstra]

...
... Photo of the car when New.

... Prior to any lettering.

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1022

...

WOW that’s a cool pic!:headbang:

[John]

Here's what I know of the 4P L78 cars. 10 are known and there are two more that appear to be added L78 engines. Several of the 10 are block or docs only, so no vehicle data.
The first cars were the pacers.
The first L78 for public sale was Jenkin's car.
The only non-IPC cars that are known to exist are:
Jenkins
John's blue car
Mark's old red car
White convertible that Richard knows about.

... Kurt, you have gathered a wealth of knowledge on CRG.
... How many Indy Pace Cars were 4P ?
... Did ALL the Indy Pace Cars that had 4P on the cowl tag, have the rear panel painted the same color as the rest of the car
... And No Black Rear panel ?

... :dunno:
...

[John]

...
... with this car coming from the factory
... having 4P on the cowl tag
... Built 03D
... All Original Paint
... which includes the rear tail panel painted the same color as the rest of the car
... the car being Built just Two Days after Grumpy Jenkins Camaro
... and Never have been registered with license plates to drive on the street
... with 1122 Actual miles
...
This car had only 3 sponsors
... WATTS Motor Co.
... PENNZOIL
... KWIK CHEK Super Markets
... James A. Keeton
... known as "Cheatin Keeton"

... I could not be happier to find out all this about the car.
Thanks for the help.
... now to find more photos of it racing ...

... :3gears::3gears:


...

[John]

... The vin# of my car is

124377N198768

After being informed that it was built just 2 days after Grumpy Jenkins 1967 396/375 Camaro,
... I was wondering where on the production line my car was
... compared to the first 1967 Yenko Camaros and looked on the Supercar Registry list ...
... It was very early compared to the vins of those 1967 Camaros that were converted to Yenko Camaros.

... interesting

:eek2:

...

[John]

... More recent photos

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1125

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1126

[John]

... more photos

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1133

https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=141&pictureid=1128

... y

[big gear head]

Looks great with the super tricks and no spoilers.

[John]

... Does anyone have a 1967 Camaro that came with the 396/375 motor option
... also have the J65 Brake option ?

...:scholar:

...

[Kurt S]

There were several optioned that way - I know of10+.

[John]

I don't know how they handled the paperwork, but a guy from Grump's shop went to the Tech Center to pick up the car and drove it back to PA. Had to be a long cold trip with no heater, 4.56 gear, and in March.
...
... So is this correct ?

The FIRST 1967 Camaro built with the 396/375 motor was The Actual Pace Car.

The SECOND was THE BACK UP Pace Car.

The THIRD was GRUMPY JENKINS CAR.
... and his was also the first car with the 396/375 motor OFFERED To the General Public and PICKED UP at the Tech Center and not at a Dealership.

The FOURTH was MY CAR that was ORDERED and DELIVERED to Hechler Chevrolet.
... and it is UNKNOWN if GRUMPY JENKINS CAR was ORDERED thru a Dealership or not.

... Is this correct ?

Just trying to understand the sequence correctly.

Thanks for your input.
...

[1967Z28]

There were three 396/375 pace cars built before Grumpy Jenkins' car and "The Actual Pace Car" was the third of those three. There may have been one or more 396/375 Camaros built between your car and Grumpy's but, so far, I'm not aware of one that has surfaced.

[John]

There were three 396/375 pace cars built before Grumpy Jenkins' car and "The Actual Pace Car" was the third of those three. There may have been one or more 396/375 Camaros built between your car and Grumpy's but, so far, I'm not aware of one that has surfaced.

...
... So then,

The FOURTH was GRUMPY JENKINS CAR.
... and his was also the first car with the 396/375 motor OFFERED To the General Public and PICKED UP at the Tech Center and not at a Dealership.

The FIFTH was MY CAR that was ORDERED and DELIVERED to Hechler Chevrolet.
... and it is UNKNOWN if GRUMPY JENKINS CAR was ORDERED thru a Dealership or not.

... Is this correct ?

Just trying to understand the sequence correctly.

.... Just going by what Kurt at CRG has told me.

... Thanks for your input.
...

[Zedder]

I think it has been said a number of times in this thread that your car is currently the earliest "KNOWN" car next to Grumpy's. Another car with an earlier VIN could show up tomorrow, but no one knows.

You've got a great car, so I'd stop worrying about whether it is the first, second or third "sold to the public". I don't think anyone really puts that much emphasis on it. My old red 4P L78 is the next known car to yours. Unless it was the first built or Grumpy's car, it wouldn't matter to me if it was the next, second or third. I'd just be happy that I had a cool 4P L78 with the original motor :) In your case, I'd be thrilled to have original paint :)

[John]

... Thanks and I do agree.
I am keeping this car "as found" and am not going to put license plates on it to drive.
There is alot of Homemade things under the car that made it go faster and stop quicker. I am keeping those on the car and just cleaning up the underside.
I was told that this "could be" The first "known" car that was ORDERED and DELIVERED to a Dealership.
... That, to me, would be of interest.
... and may not interest others.
Just trying to figure out all that I can about this car.
... I thought that this would be the place to ask these questions.
... I am sure that others may show up too !

... I always appreciate your input as you have followed these cars alot closer then I have.
... Thanks again.

...

[Zedder]

I would do the same if I were you. I would build a period correct motor for it and get it running and driving. Then I'd get it out there for others to appreciate! You wouldn't be lying to say that it is the first known '67 L78 sold to the public on a nice sign board.

I appreciate that you are working hard to uncover its history. That was always the most fun part of the old car hobby to me.

[John]

... In 1969, WATTS Motor Co., Williamsburg, Va. Sponsored the car and was advertised on the side of the Camaro at that time.
... I will be building the 1969 396/375 Motor that they gave him to race with at that time.

The reason I have to ask so many questions is because the current list of "Found" 1967 396/375 Camaros is not readily available to the general public or even those that help contribute to the Registry of these cars like what is done with the Supercar Registry.
... Maybe one day it will be.
I am sure that other cars will be found and added to the list if that happens.
... For now, I will just keep asking questions for those that will choose to contribute to the information and knowledge that they have learned ... much like you have
... and that is greatly appreciated.
CRG has been a great source of knowledge on all years of Camaros and I am thankful for that.
Thanks for your help and encouragement !

..

[luzl78]

i think there is 230-250 67 l78 accounted for in some registries.

[John]

... That is nice to know.
I am sure alot more will be found.
... Good luck to everyone that is searching for one.

..

[Kurt S]

You wouldn't be lying to say that it is the first known '67 L78 sold to the public on a nice sign board.

I don't agree - that is incorrect. The first car sold to the public was Grumpy's.

[John]

I don't agree - that is incorrect. The first car sold to the public was Grumpy's.
...
... That fine.
... Would my car be the First ordered and sold thru a Dealership ... or would Grumpy's car be that too ?

... Just would like to know,
I'm not trying to cause any big debate it's just hard to tell when the updated list is not available to the general public.

... It's not a big deal either way.
The Original Paint is what I like about my car.
... Thanks in advance for your input and knowledge.

...

[Zedder]

I don't agree - that is incorrect. The first car sold to the public was Grumpy's.

That's a fair comment. I think many just consider Grumpy "special", but your comment is accurate - he was just a regular guy :)

[Kurt S]

I don't know how the Grumpy order was placed, but I think it had to be through a dealer. Not sure why it went to Detroit.

[John]

... Thanks Kurt.
... I feel blessed to even own a Camaro that was built so early, drag raced it's entire life and has still survived in this condition with the Original Paint.
... Thanks for your continued help in preserving the history of the Camaro.
... I will continue to put this old drag car back together.
... Thanks