When they ban gas cars

[300deluxe]

Has anyone ever wondered what would happen to our classic cars when they ban gasoline? I see all these WEF/NWO freaks talking about this and it sure makes me mad! Would we just have them parked in our garage to look at? What would this do to the value our them? This has bothered me lately as I have seen all these control freaks talking about banning all petroleum and going all electric with everything by 2030...aka Agenda 2030.

[Krateness]

Most people forget the petroleum isn’t just gasoline but a wide range of other products as well. Frankly I don’t think it will ever happen, or can rather. Between all the other talking points the world revolves around oil and we aren’t the only ones pulling for it. To ban gas means to shut down a very large infrastructure of our economy and I can’t see it being anywhere near ready by that timeline. They may place a higher tax ICE vehicles or bring back emissions testing in states that have done away with it. Maybe I’m trying to convince myself of these things but in the end if they do ban gas, I’m for seeing a much larger problem at hand then what happens to classic cars.

[turbojet427]

The internal combustion engine has a long life ahead of us. Too many variables, technology advances, and political agendas that can change.

Just remember, life is very short and if you are always worrying about the future it'll never come!!!

[cruiserofland]

Sebastian Vettel will be doing a demo lap in an F1 car of the Nordschleife running a carbon-neutral fuel: https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a44210084/sebastian-vettel-will-drive-red-bull-f1-car-on-nurburgring/

So even if traditional gasoline is someday banned or heavily taxed, there is motivation in a lot of applications to still have a liquid option (like in a screaming V8!).

[70 copo]

There are multiple threads in the lounge where I reported to the forum that banning internal combustion engines and parts was the plan.

I was told by many members that "it would never happen".

look at where we are now.

[Lee Stewart]

So they are going to ban gasoline huh. Goodbye aviation industry. Sorry to see the Military go with it. Trucking industry - see you. Transportation industry - you served us well.

If they ban gasoline, they have to ban diesel along with it.

Here is my prognostication on the matter . . .

They will discover "warp speed" before they ever ban gas and diesel. Should happen around 2123.

[KevinW]

Change is always a slow process and at the same time can seem really rapid :) It all depends on technology.

Think of horse to auto/tractors, steam to diesel RR, passenger ships (and rail) to airlines, land line to cell phones etc.

But we still have horses for pleasure, stream trains are loved and restored (Big Boy 4014!), a healthy Cruise line industry (sort of, and the sad story of the SS United States). Land lines, no so much health there.

So the gas cars to electric will be gradual, but when you look back it will seem to happen overnight.

But the ICE industry will slowly move from the everyday transport to more niche uses. EVs and robotaxi's will be commonplace in Urban areas first. Rural, towing, Trucking and farm use will move more slowly. This of course is already happening and will accelerate.

Keep in mind that if there is a seismic technology breakthrough things can change in an instant! When is the last time you bought (or saw) a paper map in a service station after the advent of GPS and map apps.

Then if someone develops a cheap, powerful, environmentally neutral battery tech, progress will move very fast. I mean if Rivan/Tesla could drive/tow for over 500 miles for $20K, wouldn't you think about it? :D

[Unreal]

"In the year, 2525, if man is still alive" Bu Zager and Evans.

[HuggerSS]

I talked to a friend who is a Urologist, he said in the next 10-15 years guys who drive EV cars will be developing testicular and prostate cancer. He said sitting on top of a battery that powerful, it’s inevitable.

[70 copo]

I talked to a friend who is a Urologist, he said in the next 10-15 years guys who drive EV cars will be developing testicular and prostate cancer. He said sitting on top of a battery that powerful, it’s inevitable.


Pay close attention to what this guy says. His friend is informed and correct.

[jer]

That shouldn't be a problem with future men....just following the trend.

[Sean]

The earth will be a wasteland.

[PatrickKrook]

That shouldn't be a problem with future men....just following the trend.

:grin:

But seriously, I read an article about a Canadian city simply rule booked vintage cars off the road, rendering them unable to be re-registered for street use, even as updated resto-mods, citing "safety". Much the same way they are going after gas stoves here in the U.S. These "leaders" have to go.

[427TJ]

Gasoline powered cars aren't going anywhere. The market will slowly move toward EVs but by the time gasoline is no longer a viable energy source we will all be long, long gone.

Try to see it as a "follow the money" issue rather than a political issue. There is still a lot of money to be made by oil companies slowly raising the price (see: 1973, 1978, 2008, the recent inflation binge for shareholders to cash in, etc.). Also, fossil fuels are in almost everything produced on earth, or somewhere in the production chain. Until fossil fuels are too expensive to consider I would say that gasoline powered vehicles will be around a long time. Again, as long as there's money to be made.

[BJCHEV396]

:grin:

But seriously, I read an article about a Canadian city simply rule booked vintage cars off the road, rendering them unable to be re-registered for street use, even as updated resto-mods, citing "safety". Much the same way they are going after gas stoves here in the U.S. These "leaders" have to go.

And what Canadian city is that?

[Tommy]

New gas stations are popping up all around me and the places I travel including the enormous "Buc-ees" fuel stations. I'm not too concerned with a major change anytime soon. Also, I use Ford transits for the work I do, the Ford dealership has electric transits and they supposedly are good for 100 miles. Commercial EV's are going to have to do a lot better than 100 miles before they replace a gas burner. I put over 120,000 miles on last yr. No EV is ready for that.

Tommy

[Zedder]

:grin:

But seriously, I read an article about a Canadian city simply rule booked vintage cars off the road, rendering them unable to be re-registered for street use, even as updated resto-mods, citing "safety". Much the same way they are going after gas stoves here in the U.S. These "leaders" have to go.

I live in Canada and have never heard of that! Googled it too and nothing…

[L72copocamaro]

I talked to a friend who is a Urologist, he said in the next 10-15 years guys who drive EV cars will be developing testicular and prostate cancer. He said sitting on top of a battery that powerful, it’s inevitable.

That is a scary thought.

[Pro Stock John]

I know a bunch of people who work for auto companies and EV companies and they don't see us even hitting 50% EV anytime soon.

I met the President of Siemens Energy USA and he shared to me a project they are working on: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/porsche-efuel-plant-siemens-sustainable-synthetic-gasoline/

[EZ Nova]

:grin:

But seriously, I read an article about a Canadian city simply rule booked vintage cars off the road, rendering them unable to be re-registered for street use, even as updated resto-mods, citing "safety". Much the same way they are going after gas stoves here in the U.S. These "leaders" have to go.

Please post the link. Towns don't register vehicles, province does. So this will be overturned IF people actually protest or fight back for the simple rule as discrimination. If it's legal by the province its legal.

[Lynn]

I know a bunch of people who work for auto companies and EV companies and they don't see us even hitting 50% EV anytime soon.

I met the President of Siemens Energy USA and he shared to me a project they are working on: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/porsche-efuel-plant-siemens-sustainable-synthetic-gasoline/

From that article: "...Porsche plans to electrify 50% of its new-car offerings by 2025, making use of both battery-electric and plug-in hybrid technology."

I have been touting the plug in hybrid technology for three years. Most working folks (68%) have a commute to work of less than 15 miles. Our commute is 18 miles. We use no gas for our normal commute. We have cut our overall gas usage by 90%.

[70 copo]

They will not ban classic cars outright.

They will just carbon tax you if you don’t agree to permanently disable it.

That’s the plan.

[69 Post Sedan]

Yeah…..I definitely don’t see the ICE going anywhere anytime soon. Especially here in southern Wisconsin where they’re building Kwik Trip gas stations everywhere!!!

Kurt

[useless tony]

:grin:

But seriously, I read an article about a Canadian city simply rule booked vintage cars off the road, rendering them unable to be re-registered for street use, even as updated resto-mods, citing "safety". Much the same way they are going after gas stoves here in the U.S. These "leaders" have to go.


I must type quickly and quietly ... I know the city you speak of, it's ... wait, I heard something at the door. Shhhhh ....

Ok, as I was sa-AIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH .... thud

[GearheadSS]

They'll try to ban guns before they will successfully ban gas powered cars.

[Pro Stock John]

I'm not a member of the conspiracy club, but I think if any state goes after ICE it will be California. I just don't think it will happen with all the folks who drive trucks and live in rural areas.

[70 copo]

The question that you should ask is what is the bigger plan more importantly why?

America rose to economic preeminence on oil. We got neat things like Muscle cars and the freedom to drive virtually anyplace we can afford to go

China has no oil. What China has however is rare earth minerals.

"Cui bono" means "who benefits?" If you are in line with Agenda 2030 then you are all for this transition.

Proud to say that I am not and for all the accurate reasons. Stossel is instructive:

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[300deluxe]

Agenda 2030 is 100% real...they want us jammed all together in big cities...ever hear of "15 minute cities" This stuff is not conspiracy at all, its their plan. Be aware! Remember WEF's Claus Schwab said "You will own NOTHING and be happy". They are buying up all the land, guess who owns billions of acres of land?...THe Royal Family....GUess who owns the most farmland in the U.S. , its Bill Gates... They are using their monopoly printed fake money to buy up all the land. Own the land, control the food, rule the world.

[Lee Stewart]

Bill Ford, on electric cars: Not because we have the infrastructure, not because they are unaffordable to the majority, not because there is a demand for them, not because there are no plans to make 10-20k priced cars, but because the Chinese will dominate the market if we don't.

[70 copo]

Bill Ford, on electric cars: Not because we have the infrastructure, not because they are unaffordable to the majority, not because there is a demand for them, not because there are no plans to make 10-20k priced cars, but because the Chinese will dominate the market if we don't.

Ford is correct if someone is going to force you to buy something. You see we do not have the infrastructure as we are currently configured. The average home has 100 amp service.

THATS why they want you in a 15 minute city. Because you will ride share and use mass transit.

[427TJ]

Bill Ford, on electric cars: Not because we have the infrastructure, not because they are unaffordable to the majority, not because there is a demand for them, not because there are no plans to make 10-20k priced cars, but because the Chinese will dominate the market if we don't.

Therefore, the "they" who will "ban" gasoline powered vehicles are the automakers. "They" will fight for market share/dominance that could require, due to market forces, the slow elimination of gasoline-powered vehicles--UNLESS gasoline-powered vehicles generate sufficient profits to allow them to be continued in production.

Follow the money. Always.

[L72copocamaro]

Hard to disagree; money drives everything.

[Lee Stewart]

As fuel taxes plummet, states weigh charging by the mile instead of the tank

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/as-fuel-taxes-plummet-states-weigh-charging-by-the-mile-instead-of-the-tank/ar-AA1cZyie?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=709d43c800e543dcbf8d419b5a70ea68&ei=24

[70 copo]

No big deal.

Let’s treat the domestic infrastructure funding like the global financial system manages other funding issues.

Print it and hand it out.

[whitetop]

My BIL is VP at General Motors Defense. All wheeled military vehicles are going to go EV because of the battlefield advantages over gas or diesel.. Every military defense contractor on the planet is going EV including China.

General Motors Defense hired Hendrick Motorsports of Nascar fame to build the new vehicles.

My BIL cannot give out specifics but said the batteries they are developing now will charge in just a few minutes and be a quarter of the weight and size of current batteries and 1200-1500 range will be commonplace and anyone will be able to replace them in a few minutes without any tools. He said they cannot keep up with the battery advances.

China is patening a battery that loses no charge in sub zero weather

Toyota said their 2025 models will charge in 10 minutes and have a 650 mile range and by 2028 want a 6 minute charge and a 900 mile range.

Tesla is coming out with a 25k model next year.

[whitetop]

The main reason car co's are going EV is the labor cost is a third and parts cost is half of a ICE car. Has nothing to do with saving the environment.

Honda said they will save billions a year in warranty claims alone. No more complicated fuel, ignition, cooling, trans to go out. EV Motors have one moving part.

A client owns a large Chrysler dealership. The field rep told him when EV's take over the will only need 25% of his current techs.


As Rush Limbuagh always said "Follow the money" All about minimizing expenses and maximizing profits

[whitetop]

Agenda 2030 is 100% real...they want us jammed all together in big cities...ever hear of "15 minute cities" This stuff is not conspiracy at all, its their plan. Be aware! Remember WEF's Claus Schwab said "You will own NOTHING and be happy". They are buying up all the land, guess who owns billions of acres of land?...THe Royal Family....GUess who owns the most farmland in the U.S. , its Bill Gates... They are using their monopoly printed fake money to buy up all the land. Own the land, control the food, rule the world.

There are 48 million private owned homes in the US.

What 3 trillion man Army is going to kick out all the people and push them into cities like cattle??

Every country in the world has programs with incentives for people to buy homes. World,wide private home ownership is at record levels even in China and private home ownership increases each year

Bill Gates does not even come close to owning the most farmland in America. He owns 270k acres. A guy out of texas owns 2.6 million acres. Total famland in almost 900 million acres.

[Pro Stock John]

My auto industry contacts think that we'll be at most 50% EV in 20 years.

[L72copocamaro]

As fuel taxes plummet, states weigh charging by the mile instead of the tank

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/as-fuel-taxes-plummet-states-weigh-charging-by-the-mile-instead-of-the-tank/ar-AA1cZyie?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=709d43c800e543dcbf8d419b5a70ea68&ei=24

Tax per mile is obviously aimed at EV's. They'd actually double dip on hybrids/gas/diesel vehicles, getting tax per gallon and tax per mile.

[70 copo]

We were chatting about the banning of gas cars in this thread... however we can discuss in significant detail the plan to use climate alarmism to enslave the vast majority of the planet, well we can do that too.

It's very well documented. You can read UN Agenda 2030. In fact as far back as 1996 Mikhail Gorbachev stated the exact agenda driving climate alarmism:

“The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.” He was underscoring the importance of advancing Marxist objectives by creating an emergency to convince people they must surrender freedom to be safe".

This idea has been parlayed over the decades into a global campaign to control vibrant economies.

Currently here in America, it is being served up as the "Green New Deal".

Seriously... we can have this discussion... it will be fun and entertaining.

By the way my contacts within GM say in unequivocal terms that GM is going to go Bankrupt for a second time... it's just a matter of time now.

[70 copo]

Oh by the way Lordstown Motors just declared Bankruptcy YESTERDAY.

FUN TIMES!

[70 copo]

Did anyone know electricity can be "Virtual"??

The DOE says so: https://www.energy.gov/lpo/virtual-power-plants

So let me translate this for you: DOE is discussing "Virtual Power Plants", which is simply the ability to shut your HVAC system off, turn your hot water heater off, and even drain the battery on your EV through load shifting and grid balancing.

On the coldest days of the winter, when the grid does not have enough power, first they will take the liberty of draining the power out of your EV battery. NOW because you no longer have a gas car-- Guess what---you are now stuck at home.

Then, because your house is all electric and "smart" they can next remotely turn off your heat and hot water.

It is a great discussion... and this is simply the TIP of the iceberg.:biggthumpup:

[70 copo]

Lets discuss further shall we?

Back on the topic of banning gas cars:

A World Economic Forum white paper published just last month supports a vision where three in every four vehicles is removed from the road by 2050.

And the center for advanced manufacturing gets funding from.....the state of Michigan.

Article published on this topic just yesterday raises concerns:

https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/commentary/world-economic-forum-seeks-75-reduction-in-car-ownership

[70 copo]

But wait.. There's more... New York City is ready to hit residents and visitors alike with a “congestion charge” after federal approval was granted this past Monday for its first-in-the-nation plan to impose big tolls to drive into the most visited parts of Manhattan. $23 dollars a day... .

The program in projected to begin as soon as the spring of 2024, bringing New York City into line with places like London, Singapore, and Stockholm that have implemented similar tax impositions on drivers simply going about their everyday business.

And Los Angeles is going to be next....Kind of sounds like the domestic implementation of the strict regulation of cars that the WEF is calling for to accomplish the overall goals of the "PLAN".

[70 copo]

The back story on the sudden "congestion" that needs to be addressed.

In many areas of Manhattan there used to be 4 lane roads.

Then one lane was restricted for mass transit only and more recently another lane restricted for bicycle's and scooters leaving only two lanes for cars.

Presto... create a problem that did not exist previously THEN enact a TAX to generate revenue.

[Lee Stewart]

Finally, Oregon will let you pump your own gas

The prohibition on self-serve fuel has long confused out-of-town drivers, and some locals don’t always abide by it: When expensive-looking vehicles appear at the pump, attendants sometimes ignore the law and let the driver take care of things. If H.B. 2426 becomes law, at least half of the pumps at any given station in Oregon must be self-service.

[tcom]

There are 48 million private owned homes in the US.

What 3 trillion man Army is going to kick out all the people and push them into cities like cattle??

Every country in the world has programs with incentives for people to buy homes. World,wide private home ownership is at record levels even in China and private home ownership increases each year

Bill Gates does not even come close to owning the most farmland in America. He owns 270k acres. A guy out of texas owns 2.6 million acres. Total famland in almost 900 million acres.

What is the name of the guy in Texas that owns 2.6 million acres of farmland?

[70 copo]

As reported in the UK DAILY MAIL:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9152789/Bill-Gates-biggest-owner-FARMLAND-buying-242-000-acres.html

[Lee Stewart]

The largest land owner in the US is The Emmerson family. They own 2,330,000 acres of land. That's almost 10X more than Bill Gates.

That's bigger than the state of Delaware by over 1000 sq. miles: 2,488.72 versus 3,640

[whitetop]

What is the name of the guy in Texas that owns 2.6 million acres of farmland?

I was wrong on that. I was thinking of the Emerson landholdings somone posted above

Here is the #1 owner in Texas -privately owned. 1. King Ranch - 825,000 acres

[whitetop]

On the coldest days of the winter, when the grid does not have enough power, first they will take the liberty of draining the power out of your EV battery. NOW because you no longer have a gas car-- Guess what---you are now stuck at home.



Toll Brothers said 35% of new home construction incorporates solar power and that figure is growing each year.

Black and Decker just built a 280,000 sq ft factory in Kentucky 100% solar powered and they are selling excess power back to the ,local grid.

Six Flags in Ca is going 100% solar,

Home Depot is making all their stores 100% solar-the stores they already did are 100% off the grid. Chase bank regional office , 13k employees in Columbus went solar and is 85% powered by solar soon to be 100%

The Grid and Ev's will be fine. I just drove up Rt 23 from Columbus to Michigan and solar panels on factories and office building are going up everywhere.

As for "15 minute towns" the US is not Denmark where you can drive across the country in a an hour. The biggest real estate trend in the US is people moving from large cities out to the country.

No one is going to take away cars or homes. The US has a million gov't programs and incentives to get first time buyers into homes.

[BJCHEV396]

Love it or hate it EV's are here for good.I'm not really worried about it.

[70 copo]

Toll Brothers said 35% of new home construction incorporates solar power and that figure is growing each year.

Black and Decker just built a 280,000 sq ft factory in Kentucky 100% solar powered and they are selling excess power back to the ,local grid.

Six Flags in Ca is going 100% solar,

Home Depot is making all their stores 100% solar-the stores they already did are 100% off the grid. Chase bank regional office , 13k employees in Columbus went solar and is 85% powered by solar soon to be 100%

The Grid and Ev's will be fine. I just drove up Rt 23 from Columbus to Michigan and solar panels on factories and office building are going up everywhere.

As for "15 minute towns" the US is not Denmark where you can drive across the country in a an hour. The biggest real estate trend in the US is people moving from large cities out to the country.

No one is going to take away cars or homes. The US has a million gov't programs and incentives to get first time buyers into homes.

I am not getting your reply.. are you saying that what the DOE says virtual power plants "are" is perhaps not... or perhaps people are going to adapt? or that corporations are collecting green subsidies like hogs at the feeding trough is unusual?-- Finally are you saying that the Great Reset Agenda is not what the World Economic Forum SAYS it is?

Which is it or is it all of the above? Please enlighten me further.

[Lynn]

I am thinking this is headed nowhere as it is getting too political.
JMHO.

[70 copo]

I am thinking this is headed nowhere as it is getting too political.
JMHO.

True. It is embarrassing to have to inform participants of why things are happening that have the potential to be detrimental. However making everything "Political" is just another form of viewpoint discrimination.

[jer]

One liner talking points claiming everything's going to be just fine just isn't comprehensive enough to satisfy the experts......not buying any of that.

[300deluxe]

I am thinking this is headed nowhere as it is getting too political.
JMHO.

It not political, its about freedom.

[Charley Lillard]

I don’t have any solar power but love my electric cars. My “engine” has one moving part. They are not for long trips yet but for 99% of daily driving they are the best. They get better every day.

[turbo69bird]

You boys are a little late to the game . Rush made this song about it in 1981 and it was based on an article written about banning gas cars in 1971
This has been in the works by the left for a very very long time. Ever read a news paper from the early 70s today it’ll read just like it reads now about climate change agendas. It’s amazing .

Even in about 76 they said we had 10 years to live. .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXKZq0fYDw

This song is all about gas cars being illegal and the new cars are made to withstand a 50 mph crash without damage so they are paid by the government to find anyone driving a gas car illegally and smash into it. That’s why he has to run from them they will sustain no damage but he’ll be wrecked. Enjoy the song.

[turbo69bird]

I don’t have any solar power but love my electric cars. My “engine” has one moving part. They are not for long trips yet but for 99% of daily driving they are the best. They get better every day.

Charlie I agree my Tesla plaid is insane! Crushes all my other stuff except my dedicated turbocharged drag car, at 1020 HP this was my cost at the pump , umm charger. 😂

[Pro Stock John]

I like talking about cars with folks like yourself but some of you really are just misguided and uninformed about electricity generation, EVs, the modern auto sector etc.

I work in the power sector and on occasion the auto sector. Well right now I'm working in the auto sector as one of my projects. I'm talking to a lot of tier 1 leadership folks. This EV revolution will take a long time to get to over 50%.

[turbo69bird]

I don’t have any solar power but love my electric cars. My “engine” has one moving part. They are not for long trips yet but for 99% of daily driving they are the best. They get better every day.

Charlie I agree my Tesla plaid is insane! Crushes all my other stuff except my dedicated turbocharged drag car, at 1020 HP this was my cost at the pump , umm charger. ��


My buddy said my wife’s Kia is comparable to that I said is your wife’s Kia 1000 HP and runs 10 flat as an SUV?

[Crush]

You boys are a little late to the game . Rush made this song about it in 1981 and it was based on an article written about banning gas cars in 1971
This has been in the works by the left for a very very long time. Ever read a news paper from the early 70s today it’ll read just like it reads now about climate change agendas. It’s amazing .

Even in about 76 they said we had 10 years to live. .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXKZq0fYDw

This song is all about gas cars being illegal and the new cars are made to withstand a 50 mph crash without damage so they are paid by the government to find anyone driving a gas car illegally and smash into it. That’s why he has to run from them they will sustain no damage but he’ll be wrecked. Enjoy the song.

Such a great song! Saw them perform it a few times!!

[jer]

I like talking about cars with folks like yourself but some of you really are just misguided and uninformed about electricity generation, EVs, the modern auto sector etc.

I work in the power sector and on occasion the auto sector. Well right now I'm working in the auto sector as one of my projects. I'm talking to a lot of tier 1 leadership folks. This EV revolution will take a long time to get to over 50%.

Yessir....but most of us just want to separate the push of evs and suppression and taxation on ice vehicles from the political lies. This thread has avoided direct politics, and I'm certainly respectful of that, but much like other major events in the recent past, get the discussion out there on center stage from all points of view, shake it out, and inform and let us decide. Anything less is going to get extreme pushback.

[70 copo]

You boys are a little late to the game . Rush made this song about it in 1981 and it was based on an article written about banning gas cars in 1971
This has been in the works by the left for a very very long time. Ever read a news paper from the early 70s today it’ll read just like it reads now about climate change agendas. It’s amazing .

Even in about 76 they said we had 10 years to live. .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXKZq0fYDw

This song is all about gas cars being illegal and the new cars are made to withstand a 50 mph crash without damage so they are paid by the government to find anyone driving a gas car illegally and smash into it. That’s why he has to run from them they will sustain no damage but he’ll be wrecked. Enjoy the song.


It was incremental. The main target in the 60's was to make cars highly regulated and thus more expensive to reduce consumption.

The book "unsafe at any speed" and the coordinated media pile on was a direct attack on GM's overwhelming market share, all while ignoring the other cars that had the exact same risk as the Corvair.

They started going after Tetraethyl lead in the late 30's and finally got the scalp through regulation in the early 1970's. We got the Malaise era and a 55 MPH national speed limit in exchange while multiple FAKE energy crisis's were played up in the media... "running out of oil"..."Peak oil".. All BS, while the population was treated to video loops of lines stretching around the block for a couple of gallons of gas... THEN the simultaneous push for the adoption/acceptance of mass transit.

The media next attacked the PINTO and then went after the Silverado's side saddle tanks setting up a rigged test to cause an explosion.

The theory: The more we regulate the more expensive the vehicle will become the less of them will be on the road.... .

Of course the banking market replied with ever increasing auto loan repayment durations.

What we are about to experience is way different. If we fail to resist this now on multiple levels within a generation all cars both ICE and EV will be restricted as to who can own/operate.

The key to compliance is a Central Digital Currency they get that and you just walked into a form of slavery for which there is a slim margin for any return.

[Astock]

I'm for cutting out Opec, dealership repair costs, (Edison) solar energy...

The question I have: will gas prices go up or down when 50% of cars on the road are electric?

[Lee Stewart]

Volkswagen is in talks with Tesla to adopt its North American Charging Standard (NACS) where it would join a stampede of automakers and charging networks switching to the system.

That's definitely a step in the right direction: One single charging standard.

[Lee Stewart]

As many observers expected, troubled EV maker Lordstown Motors has filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and put up its assets for sale, including its truck design.

11 is a reorganization. 7 is a liquidation

[turbo69bird]

I’m all for electrics but there’s not much room for all the manufacturers we have making them. Tesla is KING of EVs And there’s no way for everyone to get a EVs on the grid just not gonna be able to happen.

Nor should it people should have choices , people should be able to buy and use what they want.

On the note of politics idk why people can’t talk politics that’s just foolish it is involved in every single part of your life. There’s really NOTHING that touches every part of your life other than politics. Censorship annoys the hell out of me . ( remember when people could have spirited debates? Sometimes people even changed their mind on things)


That being said , EVs are run on a number of things and it isn’t electricity ⚡️ it’s coal, it’s the sun (pretty much it’s harnessing the energy of a nuclear blast ) , it’s natural gas, it’s in some cases a diesel generator at times or nuclear fission.

We have .004 carbon in the atmosphere up from .003 . At .002 plants die. It’s a real big issue, That’s why they fly private jets all over the place . Anyone ever seen what a private jet burns for fuel? It’s ain’t green.

Ever seen how rare earth minerals are mined? It ain’t green. Uyghers in China? Not exactly well paid labor? There’s lots wrong with EVs

But they are an amazing car. And some day we’ll have induction charging on the highways and there will be very little reason to ever charge anywhere .
Some day maybe it will be viable for all, but for right now there’s too many issues to take over and not screw up the grid .
Not to mention no one should have anything forced on them I’m a form believer of this…I shouldn’t force my will on you and you shouldn’t on me. Maybe I can plead my case for something but if you choose not to buy into it. Oh well .

This is a good thread and it’s good that people discuss in an uncensored state free to make honest. Points for or against. . There’s nothing wrong with that, But people, Also need to learn to be civil w each other and not EXPECT everyone to have to do as we do or say.
. Debate is good. Information is good, you don’t have to listen to it.
Just my .02 and it’s probably worth .01 �� let’s not take it too seriously, I don’t.

[Lee Stewart]

These 7 States Are Banning New Gas-Powered Cars

Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Washington have announced they'll enforce the Advanced Clean Cars II rule and prohibit the sale of new gasoline-powered vehicles. The 7th is California.

The regulations don't force anyone to stop driving their current automobile or prevent them from buying a used car. They also don't prevent you from buying an ICE vehicle in another state and registering it locally.

[70 copo]

If we do not stop this:

As the decline really starts cutting into quality of life-- the plan is to use market forces to further push people increasingly desperate to maintain standard of living.

As the older people die off the kids are going to be forced to liquidate tangible goods. This will accelerate as we are already seeing kids burning through generational wealth.

Blackrock and Vanguard are saying that AI and automation are planned to take take most jobs as 3d printed new construction is projected to replace renovating existing buildings as it will be "cheaper and faster".

THEN:

Local governments will have no choice raise taxes to cover losses. Heavier electric Vehicles will destroy paved roads at a faster rate.

Home ownership declines resulting in seizures of the homes of people affected by job loss to AI.

The domino effect then accelerates as vehicle registration costs -- to maintain the roads-- skyrocket as less people own cars.

These assets will then be bought up and recycled by stakeholders like Blackrock and vanguard using printed money-- all at discounts from desperate people trying to survive.

These assets will be used by these same stakeholders to form the "gilded cell" the AI displaced unemployable will live out their lives in.

Nobody in authority has ever floated a plan for how they are going to keep people going once AI and automation breaks the relationship between the value of labor (to people that have the money) and the means of production.

Universal Basic Income (UBI) is the only solution offered...this will be attached to a social credit score. Say the wrong thing on the internet and your score goes down and you get less UBI. Buy the wrong thing (Like Gasoline or an old car) your score goes down.

Attach purchase authority to an integrated Central Digital Currency and your ability to buy and sell is subject to the rules established by the "stakeholders" here is where ESG fully takes over.

In other words what they have planned for us is a world of dystopian economic zones where borders don't matter, and sovereign governments are owned by the stakeholders.

To me this looks exactly like the future world as depicted in the movie "Rollerball" starring James Cann.

[300deluxe]

And they will most likely release more viruses to create lockdowns, and try to force people to get more mRNA jabs. I'm glad to see people like "70 copo" see things the way I do. The globalists are working hard on their Agenda 2030, so we need to wake people up before America is too far gone. Guard your freedoms well, cause it's hell getting them back!

[Pro Stock John]

"they"

[Lee Stewart]

The electric car ‘revolution’ is a disaster before it’s begun

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-electric-car-revolution-is-a-disaster-before-it-s-begun/ar-AA1dhszC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c6a9a6ac3b3448d0b9a11b10a70ca3cf&ei=56

[70 copo]

"they"


Glad you asked. Lets tie this all together shall we? OK first off:

If you are easily "scared" please do not click.

If you plan to complain to the administrators/ Moderators Please do not click.

If you want to see Pro Stock John's question answered then this simple 18 minute video will get it done 100%

https://odysee.com/@GrandJury:f/4-RF-Grand-Jury-1-EN:6

Additionally all of the supporting testimony to support the statements made in the opener above can be found here:

https://www.grand-jury.net/

In summary this is kind of old news. Much of this is currently being used to sue everybody involved because the prosecutorial functions of nearly all of the sovereign governments worldwide are blackmailed, bought off, or internally silenced by mandate or through coordinated censorship.

When I said the "tip of the iceberg" I was not kidding. But please, AGAIN If you are going to complain in order to trigger viewpoint discrimination PLEASE don't just ignore this post and ignore me.

That's all I ask.

[Pro Stock John]

Well I was just at a conference (Edison Electric Institute) and saw the CEO of SoCal Edison interview Elon Musk to talk about electrification.

I think I must be a 'they' since I'm working in the industry.

[70 copo]

Musk’s interviews are literally all over YouTube. Musk is a world wide player in EV’s and as of now nobody is catching him.

Your “they” comment looked rhetorical and i took it as you seeking additional information as to what OP was contending.

No harm. No fowl.

[scuncio]

Well I was just at a conference (Edison Electric Institute) and saw the CEO of SoCal Edison interview Elon Musk to talk about electrification.

I think I must be a 'they' since I'm working in the industry.

I watched some of the commentary in that interview, interesting stuff.

[Lynn]

"But please, AGAIN If you are going to complain in order to trigger viewpoint discrimination PLEASE don't just ignore this post and ignore me."

I assume you meant "..... PLEASE don't; just ignore this post and ignore me."

In other words: "Only respond if you agree with me."

You aren't wanting to guard against "viewpoint discrimination". You are only wanting to censor any response that does not agree with yours.

Would be nice to have the site focus on cars.

[70 copo]

Lynn,

Absolutely! Feel free to ask me literally anything you want about this topic. I just don’t want to trigger the favorite tactic of some -it’s the Hecklers veto .

Because Agenda 2030 and the forces driving its implementation want to ban cars and that’s the topic of this thread.

[Pro Stock John]

"But please, AGAIN If you are going to complain in order to trigger viewpoint discrimination PLEASE don't just ignore this post and ignore me."

I assume you meant "..... PLEASE don't; just ignore this post and ignore me."

In other words: "Only respond if you agree with me."

You aren't wanting to guard against "viewpoint discrimination". You are only wanting to censor any response that does not agree with yours.

Would be nice to have the site focus on cars.

Agreed, let's just talk about cool cars.

Best,

John

[BJCHEV396]

Agreed, let's just talk about cool cars.

Best,

John

X2!!

[whitetop]

The electric car ‘revolution’ is a disaster before it’s begun

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-electric-car-revolution-is-a-disaster-before-it-s-begun/ar-AA1dhszC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c6a9a6ac3b3448d0b9a11b10a70ca3cf&ei=56


Tesla was the best selling car in the world first qtr 2023 beating out Toyota Corolla.

Tesla just announced an hour ago 2nd quarters figures beat 1st quarters.

Wait until Toyota and Honda come out with their Ev's in 2025. Honda is building an EV plant in Dayton Ohio that is the size of 78 football fields. Companies like Honda do not spend that kind of money if ev's was a disaster. Toyota said their 2025 ev has a 650 mile range and charges in less than 10 minutes..a gamechanger.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/02/tesla-tsla-q2-2023-vehicle-delivery-and-production-numbers.html

[70 copo]

Looks like Nobody is contesting any of the data that I have posted.. so far.

Good enough. Because if the WEF gets its way we will not be talking about cars we own anymore.

We will talk about the cars "we used to own" .

Notably WEF and its internal studies currently do not differentiate between ICE and EV. It says "Private"

For your review:

[Big Block Bill]

Tesla was the best selling car in the world first qtr 2023 beating out Toyota Corolla.

Tesla just announced an hour ago 2nd quarters figures beat 1st quarters.

Wait until Toyota and Honda come out with their Ev's in 2025. Honda is building an EV plant in Dayton Ohio that is the size of 78 football fields. Companies like Honda do not spend that kind of money if ev's was a disaster. Toyota said their 2025 ev has a 650 mile range and charges in less than 10 minutes..a gamechanger.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/02/tesla-tsla-q2-2023-vehicle-delivery-and-production-numbers.html

78 football fields? That's Crazy! Bill

[70 copo]

78 football fields? That's Crazy! Bill

That is a modest plant by size. GM's Arlington Assembly is the equivalent of 190 football fields.

[jer]

Intel's Ronler Acres plant in Hillsboro Oregon is equivelant to 86 football fields and that's just one of 4 in Oregon.
Chips, not cars......and they don't even produce chips for cars. A bit off topic but it helps a bit to proportion.

I want to add, this thread has everything to do with our love of cars and it's future.

[Keith Seymore]

That is a modest plant by size. GM's Arlington Assembly is the equivalent of 190 football fields.

How many "Rhode Islands" is that?

K

[70 copo]

How many "Rhode Islands" is that?

K

There would be 2483853.1455006 football fields in the state given the size in square feet (43.07 Billion)

There I did the majority of the work for you :burnout:

[whitetop]

Because if the WEF gets its way we will not be talking about cars we own anymore.




So. the worlds gov't will shut down their economies/way of life over some elites dictates? Pres XI says no.
Are the Muslim countries going to .listen to the Bildergberg and Rotchsild Jewish WEF elites to depopulate..I do not think so.

Every country is facing a population collapse except Sfrica due to low birth rates. S. Korea has spent 200 billion-that is with a B to encourage their citizens to have more kids.
Again 47 million private owned homes in the US. Who is going to take them away? .

[jer]

Emergency Order, abused to the point of utter disregard of any of our freedoms. Proven in the past few years, and only a small sector stood their ground. That and a few other tools used or threatened in the recent past only a few were shot down by the SC....and the fight continues.

[70 copo]

Emergency Order, abused to the point of utter disregard of any of our freedoms. Proven in the past few years, and only a small sector stood their ground. That and a few other tools used or threatened in the recent past only a few were shot down by the SC....and the fight continues.

Bingo. In Europe it’s going to be much easier.

[70 copo]

Europe:

Dutch farmers being forced to quit farming to meet fertilizer reduction targets... again old news, but what is kind of new is the emergency order being abused to strip them of their rights to protest the climate tyranny.

Censored of course by the mainstream media.

LOOK: https://expose-news.com/2023/07/02/dutch-government-declares-state-of/

And:

https://thecountersignal.com/the-hague-declares-a-state-of-emergency-to-stop-dutch-farmer-protests/

[Steve Shauger]

There is a lot of good information posted however it has drifted too far from what this site is about. I dont want to censor so Ill ask for a cease fire on this thread. Lets get back to our hobby and passions musclecars!

[70 copo]

I am grateful for the fact that you did not take it down like the Canadian car ban thread.

But seriously we have barely scratched the surface here.

I hope the truth posted here has been helpful to those so inclined to listen.

I recommend you lock it up.