1970 Z28 Paperwork and Pad Stamp Opinions

[SuperNovaSS]

A friend of mine asked me what I thought of the pad stamp, trim tag, and paperwork on this Z/28. I have my opinions and I am curious what everyone else thinks. Opinions?


Thanks,

Jason

[COPO]

Interesting a Norwood built car being sold new in LA when VN is very close by.

[AnthonyS]

Hi Jason. I’m not an expert, but I have a CTB block (that I believe is genuine) in the garage and I think the suffix stamp looks different from the one pictured here. The gap in the C and particularly the B… I also agree that it would be unusual to have an OH built car sold new in CA, but I’ve also heard that sometimes that happened with low volume models and maybe even because of the unique build year in 1970.

My block, FYI for the stamp comparison:

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=174868

Just MHO,
Anthony

[BCreekDave]

Seems kind of suspicious that a car sold into California is missing the mandatory NA9 evap equipment. Does it have it on the car? This probably would not have appeared on the sales form, but pretty sure it would be on the window sticker, which most likely is a fake one. Affirming this is the "Black Cloth Interior". This was only available with the Z87 Deluxe interior option which would have been on the sales order and the window sticker. Looks to be a "made up" window sticker that matches the options the car now has.
The CTB on the engine pad also looks a bit wrong to me, but I'm not an expert on this. My CTB engine suffix looks just like Anthony's. Note the B has equal size top and bottom bumps.

[L16pilot]

I agree with the suspicions on the block stamp...especially the "B" which appears to be a different font than another known original stamp produced 2 days after the subject block. As for the paperwork, Dave noticed some key items, but in addition, note the date on the top of the hand written retail order. The date at the bottom appears to match the date at the top...but wouldn't the customer have written the date at the bottom when they signed?

[WILMASBOYL78]

I will let the gurus deal with the engine pad and geography issues.

The sales invoice and order form are standard Reynolds & Reynolds documents used back then. The sales order would have been filled out by the salesperson and signed by the customer. You will note the salesperson's name appears at the top left and his signature is at the lower right.

The SA-131 invoice was a stock from which was crash printed and numbered by Reynolds for the dealer. You will note the dealer imprint and numbering are the same color...my recollection is the crash printing was done in black, but it has been a long time since I dealt with these forms??

Window sticker seems too clean and neat to be an original 50 plus year old document.

All that said, a Hugger Orange LT-1 Z28 with a 4.10 gear would be fun to own :smile:

-wilma

[SuperNovaSS]

Thanks for all the replies guys. Keep them coming.



Jason

[fsc66]

Docs are are all reproductions

Paul

[BCreekDave]

Docs are are all reproductions

Paul

Love the coffee stains.

[lowmile]

If he had sanded any harder on the cowl tag you'd have nothing to go by.

[Pro Stock John]

When I was in the 2nd grade in the 70's we made our own versions of the Declaration of Independence, we used tea to weather the paper.

[JMB]

Engine stamp is fake, the "C" and especially the "B" are incorrect. I'd get a hold of Paul at Winvoices https://winvoices.com/index.php and see if he made the window sticker because he will place a watermark it.

Pic comparison here https://photos.app.goo.gl/F81AC6VxTggY8LMb9

[Rsconv68]

The paperwork I typically see has a price listed next to every option at the time it’s written up. The bent trim tag seems unusual.

[rsinor]

So the only real piece here is the cowl tag, sorry I don’t buy that. I also don’t like the way it looks either.

[Steve Shauger]

So the only real piece here is the cowl tag, sorry I don’t buy that. I also don’t like the way it looks either.

It definitely looks to be reinstalled!

[SPEEDYB]

My 70 Z28 pad

[Bill Pritchard]

I'd get a hold of Paul at Winvoices

He already stated earlier in this thread that the paperwork is reproduction.

[SuperNovaSS]

Thanks again guys. I will pass all this info back to him. He also ordered the NCRS docs showing where the car was originally delivered. They can take a month to receive.


Jason

[Jonesy]

On the retail Order sheet, the Purchasers signature and the Dealers Authorized signature looks like the same persons handwriting did both. Geez......

[AnthonyS]

^ HAH! I thought the SAME THING!

Look at the tail of the capital L & F…

[Billohio]

I have pictures of a may 9th and 13th and dont match this one

[Rsconv68]

I wouldn’t mind seeing the partial VIN on the alternator pad.

[SuperNovaSS]

Should the VIN be on the pad or by the filter? I’m not too familiar with these.


Thanks,

Jason

[L16pilot]

Should the VIN be on the pad or by the filter? I’m not too familiar with these.


Thanks,

Jason

Rough casting by the filter for Norwood.

[Jonesy]

Rough casting by the filter for Norwood.

Yep, thats correct

[SuperNovaSS]

Well, the NCRS shipping info came back today. The selling dealer certainly does not match the docs.

Thanks again for everyone’s input,


Jason

[TimG]

Not even close. The window sticker certainly should reflect the dealer in Kansas since that was prepared with the car. One thing to remember is that 25% of cars were ordered by one dealer and sold by another, so a Warranty Plate can have another dealer name on it.
Build sheets, or anything with an Ident number, dealer, and zone MUST have the dealer information shown on the Shipping report even if a Warranty Plate and dealer prepared paperwork do not.

[Kurt S]

As Paul succinctly pointed out, the docs are all repro so it is not surprising the dealers don't match.

[SuperNovaSS]

I agree, it’s not shocking. I just wanted to post the results to bring things full circle.

Thanks,

Jason