Assembly line valve caps 1969- 1970

[daveg]

Had 2 of the type in first pic.
Both were from 1969 new condition factory spare tires.
1 Chevelle and 1 Corvette.
Second pic is the Corvette one

Pic 3 is part of a large sack of old caps I bought looking for type in first 2 pics. None like that but plenty DILL 627 ones.
All in pic are 627's and have more.

Question is I see the 627 referenced routinely as the "correct Assy line" caps.

What is your take?
I completed the set of first type but what is the real story with the 627?

Definitely very common.
Any that need 627's can have sets for shipping cost as I do not need them. Have well over 200.

ADDIND ALL extra 627 caps are spoken for.

[ruralrte66]

PM Sent Thanks Gregg

[Lynn]

I have seen both in my limited experience. Take the following only for what it is worth. I have nothing definitive.

The original spare on my 69 Z/28 was had a 627, and I believe it to be original, but no way to prove it. My brother bought the car in 1975. Don't know why it would have been swapped.

OTOH, the original spare on my 70 LT-1 Corvette had the first type you posted. It is not in perfect shape; has been scraped somewhere along the way. PIC below.
Again, I believe it is original, but also no way to prove it.

Several survivor cars on this site. I forgot to look at the ralley Green survivor Z at MCACN to see what it had.

What does Steve S say? He would know. Tim would be another great source, given the survivors he has. I did not look to see what Tim's survivor Corvette (achieved Legend status) had for valve caps. I don't plan to have either of my cars judged, so don't really care that much.

[daveg]

Henry [RIP] told us to complete the set of first type.
Considering the depth of his knowledge on 69 Baltimore cars we listened.
He had us look for extremely minute details and we still have a list to go through.
He has not been wrong yet unless part was replaced.
Many examples of his knowledge in parts of "OLE BLUE" thread.

All that said both caps we started with were off new condition 69 spare tires.
One 69 Chevelle [Firestone] F70x14 small white letter Wide Oval
One 69 Corvette [Goodyear] F70X15 thin white stripe Speedway Wide Tread

The first type is like finding hens' teeth
The 627 type are around by the bushel comparatively.

This has nothing to do with judging- just wanting it like it was on 2/26/69 when Gerald picked it up.

Pic is new condition F70x14 69 only type Firestone that has one also. Small white letter Wide Oval

[daveg]

FWIW 20 are spoke for already and will wait a week to send as many as possible in one trip to post office.
We live in the country.

These are in nice shape.

Odd that there were none of the first type in the entire pile.

[napa68]

Tim would be another great source, given the survivors he has. I did not look to see what Tim's survivor Corvette (achieved Legend status) had for valve caps. I don't plan to have either of my cars judged, so don't really care that much.

The 65 did not have the 627's. I have had others that did. My red 67 has the Schrader's. My 66 does not have the right one's on it.

[daveg]

FYI
55 spoke for so far.
Will wait till 150 are spoke for and make 1 trip to post office.
Will ship in small, padded envelope.
Honor system so just send cash or whatever in the amount of shipping cost on envelope.

I paid $10 for the entire sackful and am keeping over 50 so they were free really.

I would think a 69 Baltimore 4d plain jane Malibu granny mobile would be the best place to look.

Hi perf cars get jacked around.

Wonder if wheels came with stems or if they were put in when tires were installed?

Really interested in what the deep knowledge folks have to say on this.

We are keeping all options open.

Found 4 more of the type 1 ones.
They for sure were not free.

[Kurt S]

Valve stem assemblies were a commodity and, as such, they would be sourced from multiple suppliers. Even if one supplier was the primary supplier to a given plant, the other suppliers would also ship some product to that plant.
http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#valvestem has some info.

[daveg]

Valve stem assemblies were a commodity and, as such, they would be sourced from multiple suppliers. Even if one supplier was the primary supplier to a given plant, the other suppliers would also ship some product to that plant.
http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#valvestem has some info.


For sure makes sense and thanks.

Like to carry it further if possible.

Was told 1968 Schrader caps are the bar type with Schrader on top of bar. Also, not all 627's are the same.
Could just be mold numbers but there are definitely differences.

Sure this is silliness to some, but we like these little details.

[daveg]

65 spoke for.

Kinda surprised at the lack of interest in this little detail?
I guess Steve did call me a "cotter pin nut".

To all that are getting some-
Will probably send whatever amount is spoke for on Friday.
I know how we are when waiting for a new toy.

Enjoy.
Dave

[daveg]

Thought of a way to check a little closer.

We would assume a
Schrader stem would have a Schrader cap.
Dill stem would have a Dill cap.
That would help narrow it down
Still leaves dating the different type Schrader's but that is a separate issue.

"OLE BLUE" does indeed have its new condition "Firestone" spare.
Actually all 5 wheels have same 1/6/9 dates.
4 tires on car were changed so no help there.
May be an excuse to fill spare with Nitrogen next summer.
Still going with Schraders as they are by far rarer

Would like to know how car was new though.

Anyone have spare wheels with factory stem still that has looked at this?
Maybe there is a way to tell on outside?
Will get pics of hers.

[daveg]

Too the folks asking questions I do not know the exact application of the 627 caps, but they are very likely right for you 3.
As pointed out these were likely a "standard" item and were sourced as needed.

Obviously the 627 is much more common than the Schrader type I was looking for but that is a moot point here.

To all that have not done it send mailing info, and I will send in small, padded envelopes.
Honor system as stated and just send actual shipping cost on label.

Pics are "OLE BLUES" spare tire and last one is 5 NOS DILL stem- cap assemblies for comparison.
Note rib around base on Dill stem that is not on "OLE BLUES" stem.
Note taper is quite different.
Thoughts on that?

[daveg]

80 spoke for so far.

Would be very interested in pics of a NOS Schrader stem- cap like the Dill ones pictured. Even better would if we could buy one as an example.

Still like to hear thoughts on use- time frame for these 2 types.

[napa68]

Would be very interested in pics of a NOS Schrader stem- cap like the Dill ones pictured.

Here you go Dave......

[daveg]

Thanks for the pic of "Bar Type" Schrader caps.
Have been told they are 68- older.

Really hoping someone has done their homework on this but it is likely being a standard part it is mixed up.

Pic is a poorer look at "Bar Type" Schrader's but the stems are there.

Second pic is my Dill examples again for comparison.
Again, note taper and lip are different than the LH "Schrader" example.
The Dill examples are mine.

[daveg]

105 spoke for so far.
Will send them out Frida AM USPS padded envelope.
Glad to see them being used.
Been in that sack long enough.


Found a pic of a 68 Corvette Spare tire that has a bar type Schrader cap.
Pic is not good but you can see stem matches the stem in "OLE BLUES" spare.
Top pic is 68 Covette
Bottom pic is "OLE BLUES" for comparison.

[68 Chevy II]

p m sent. thank you

[CamarosRus]

How do I know the the correct DILL Valve to use/search for
on the 70+ Z28 Wheels (that had plastic extensions)

[daveg]

Link in post 8 by Kurt S has info like that.


How do I know the the correct DILL Valve to use/search for
on the 70+ Z28 Wheels (that had plastic extensions)

[daveg]

125 spoke for
Approaching the finish line.
Stopping at 150 as we are keeping rest as stash.


Found a few more pics for reference.

Top pic is cap on 68 Vette spare pictured above.
Date does not make sense???

Second pic is a set of bar tops for sale.

Third is a 67-wheel with a Schrader looking stem and a type 1 cap????
If legit factory issue we have a scrambled mess here

Fourth is type 1 also pictured above we bought off a 69 Vette new condition spare.

[daveg]

ATTENTION!!!!
The 627 dispersal quota is filled.
ALL GONE
Well not shipped yet but all spoke for.

One of you "Rick99" needs to respond to shipping info request, but rest is all set.

Hope these find their way onto cars as sitting in the bag did no one any good.

Still looking for definitive info on ASSY line use of caps but will probably start a new thread to save confusion with the completed dispersal.

AGAIN ALL are spoke for.

[daveg]

Forgot to add
The actual shipping cost will be on envelope. That is all we ask in return.

Enjoy,

Ann , Dave

ADDING PICS

First pic is "dome type" Schraders that arrived today.
Now we have enough to put on "OLIVE also.

Pics 2 and 3 are the Dill 627's doing final muster before re-assignment.
Will send out tomorrow.

Still have no mailing info on the 5 so??

FWIW the 4 "dome top" Schraders cost 40x as much as the ENTIRE BAG we bought.
To top that off they were the cheapest of all but the 1 we started with. Hobbies can get spendy:grin:

[daveg]

Dispersal complete. In the hands of the USPS now. The first alternate got 5 as no address on one after many requests.

These would have gone for $1.27 but they did not fit slot.

Sent as packages with tracking for average of $6.24.
Just send a check for that amount to address on envelpoe

[daveg]

Finally got an address from last person.
Sending 5 from the keeper stash so lucky first alternate and this is a done deal.

HEY MODS
could you please delete this thread.
We will start another with the actual useful info here and try to keep it on the tracks.

[68 Chevy II]

Thank You !!

[napa68]

The caps came Saturday Dave. The funds and a "tip" are on the way. Thank you!
Tim

[daveg]

The caps came Saturday Dave. The funds and a "tip" are on the way. Thank you!
Tim


TO ALL,

This was not anything beyond getting something we basically got for free to folks that could use it.
Doing it all at once made it not a big deal.

Thanks for the "tip" but you did not need to do it.
We are happy they got re-assigned and we kept over 10 sets so all is good.

ENJOY

ps
sure, would have like it if there would have been some dome top Schrader's but we found what we needed so all is good there now.

This minutia chasing is actually quite fun as is gaining knowledge.

Really glad "OLE BLUES" wiper blades are still there as we are looking for a pair for "OLIVE" and have found exactly zero.
3 ribs are easy.

[Charley Lillard]

I got mine today. Thanks. There is no postage price on the envelope. How do we pay you ?

[daveg]

I got mine today. Thanks. There is no postage price on the envelope. How do we pay you ?

See post 23.
It saved money shipping them through the shipping store and their receipts did not show cast.
Averaged out to $6.24.

Return address is on label.

[daveg]

Attempted to add these above but could not.
Current pics of "OLE BLUES" spare showing dome type Schrader cap, stem, tire date and wheel date better.


Have not cleaned wheel or tire and do not intend to.
Tire still has the "waxy?" coating on it and chalk mark.
Last pic is sale pic and next to last pic is us gassing it up for first time.

Spare was on RF as RF tire would not hold air for more than 20 minutes.
Spare drove fine but is permanently retired now.