Reggie's COPO on ebay

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I'd</A> give up a digit, probably think seriously about a limb, for this piece. What's the first hand scoop on this car?

JB

[JoeC]

The looks nice but I would ask them if the heater delete is original. Also the car has a 140 speedo so shouldn't it have 15x7 rally wheels to go along with the 9737?

[Rowdy Rat]

Joe,

I don't know these cars as well as guys like you, Brian, Rob, Pete, et.al. do, but there were a few things that struck me as odd about this car.

You touched on two Joe... A defroster was absolutely mandatory on U.S. delivered cars from 1968 on so are we to gather that this is an export car (was a heater delete even available in 1969?). Heck, even L-88 Corvettes got them and they were mandatory heater delete cars before 1968.

The 140mph speedometer seemed strange too. Like you, I was always under the impression that in order to get this on a '69 427 Camaro, you had to order 9737. Are we correct, or was there some other way to get this.

The exhaust struck me as odd too. This is a very late car and chambered exhaust had long since been discontinued by this point. I wouldn't think a whole lot of it (it's a popular addition - even in cases where it might be less than correct from a restoration standpoint), but the impression that is being given is that this is a VERY correct car. Makes you wonder...

I like the Burnished brown though... Looks killer!

Regards,

Stan Falenski

[Edited by Rowdy Rat (12-13-2001 at 08:22 AM).]

[Charley Lillard]

On the subject of heater deletes. How do you explain the fact that there are 69 Heater delete cars in Hawaii ?

[JoeC]

The NC-8 chambered exhaust was not discontinued. I have seen it on late 1969 Chevelle build sheets. It was discontinued as the standard exhaust system for the L78 but was still available as optional equipment "where system is permissible". I believe this was also true for L78 and Z/28 Camaros.

Is there any real evidence of a 69 Heater delete car in Hawaii?

[sYc]

I had this discussion with Jim Mattison at the Camaro Nats a few years ago. If memory serves me correct, he said that in 1969, all cars had heaters, because of a federeal mandate for defrosters. In addition, I believe he said that this was for cars sold in the continental US.

[Rowdy Rat]

Joe,

Yes, I've seen several chambered exhaust Chevelles built late in 1969 as well... Paperwork to back it up too. What about Camaros though? My understanding was that it was removed as an option during the first half of the 1969 calendar year. Is this information incorrect? Again, I'll defer to you guys for the right answers. http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

Regards,

Stan

[Rowdy Rat]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="">quote:</font><HR>If memory serves me correct, he said that in 1969, all cars had heaters, because of a federeal mandate for defrosters. In addition, I believe he said that this was for cars sold in the continental US.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The motor vehicle safety standards that governed this went into effect in 1968, but I think you might be on to something with respect to the "continental U.S." criteria.

It appears from these standards, that either the car has to have a defroster/defogger OR for vehicles outside the continental U.S, they may have one in lieu of meeting the standards. If anyone is interested, I can post the actual government standards for defrosters/defoggers (my paraphrasing may not be entirely accurate).

Let me ask this then... Was C48 a valid option for Camaros in 1969 (and 1968 for that matter)? Or, was there an export option (or overseas option if you will) that deleted the heater?

Regards,

Stan

[Edited by Rowdy Rat (12-13-2001 at 02:19 PM).]

[sixtiesmuscle]

Come on guys. There are quite a few heater delete cars around. That doesn't mean they were born that way. Some people just like the concept, and, it keeps the heater core from leaking onto your new carpeting. Same for chambered exhaust. Some guys just think it's neat. Not everybody restores these things for judging. If Reggie had it restored, he did it so he could drive it a litte.

[Rat_Pack]

This car looks like the one CK Spurlock of Gambler Chassis used to own. I have some old pictures of it from the Bristol SuperChevy show sometime between 1989 & 91. This was the first 69 COPO with heater delete that I had seen. Neat car.

Sixtiesmuscle, I agree, quit critiquing the cars and let these guys enjoy them. Who cares if it is correct or not? It is a documented COPO and they had the guts to paint it back to Burnished Brown. Bet most people wouldn't have done that. Until you own it don't knock it. Buy the darn thing and fix what is wrong with it and then resell it and then say it is correct..............RatPack.........

That is my two cents worth......Thanks for listening.........Rat Pack...............

[Rowdy Rat]

To be honest, I was more curious about the big picture; the validity of the options rather than the car itself. First to verify what I had been told about chambered exhaust and 140 speedometer usage and second to confirm what I had researched regarding heater delete cars. As far as the heater delete issue, hey, I learned something new on that topic myself thanks to several of the people who responded (isn't that why we're here?). I'm still curious to learn what option code or in what manner the cars were designated as heater delete so that the assembly plant knew what to do.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="">quote:</font><HR>Not everybody restores these things for judging.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you completely... I even said as much in my original post. This car isn't being represented as just a nice driver though; the wording in the ad is an indication of that. MATCHING NUMBERS this... ORIGINAL that... NOS... What about the statement TAKE THIS CAR TO ANY CONCOURSE SHOW AND TAKE HOME THE HARDWARE. I don't think there's a whole lot of doubt as to where the seller is going with this and I'm sure the reserve price is right up there too.

I still like the car regardless of the issues noted above. http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

Regards,

Stan

[YenkoYS100]

No more need to worry. The auction was ended early as they decided to keep the car. It seems as some people are getting goofy on alot of these auctions. The weather can change and they'll cancel the auction.
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Rick

[Stefano]

How much was the high bid?

[YenkoYS100]

$43,000.01

[Charley Lillard]

Rat pack...Where did it say it was a Documented car ?

[SuperNovaSS]

No doubt about actual heater delete cars in Hawaii. I have seen a lot of them. I looked at a 69 Convertible about 6 months ago with one. I have also seen quite a few Novas with them. Yes, I will let you guys know if I part any cars out with one. They are fairly common here.


Jason

[bbdon]

My copy of this is not good, but it appears to say "6-13-69... RPO Cancelled"
http://www.sonic.net/bbdon/free/nc8.jpg

[bkhpah]

It would appear that the radio delete was added along the way with the other popular additions/subtractions discussed. The ZL/2 hood relay is in the incorrect location. The wing nut holding down the air clearner is funny. The 140 speedo is questionable. Also look at the tires? Incorrect for a 69. Code 61 is a bad boy color. I would agree with Rat Pack that this is the old KC Spurlock car. I have only seen two other BB COPO Camaros. It seems to be a rare color on any Camaro. Its no problem to build it like you want it to look. But when it comes time to sell, I would think it should be pointed out that some of the items are added. Most people would not even care...BKH

[rat tuned]

does anyone have or seen a heater delete for a 69 chevelle? would the pieces that attach to the firewall be the same for a 1966-1972?I am trying to convert my chevelle to a radio and heater delete and would appreciate any pics thanx mike

[JoeC]

Anyone know at what assembly plant the Hawaii Camaros were built with the heater delete? Any paperwork on these cars?
On the chambered exhaust system - in the Jerry MacNeish book it states that in early 69 the standard ex system for Z/28 L78 L89 & L34 was the chambered exhaust system. Due to noise complaints, this was discontinued on Nov. 28, 1968 as the standard system but was still available as optional equipment. The chambered exhaust system was deleted from production on May 19, 1969, as a result of standardization of chrome tail pipes.

[Warren Malkin]

If this burnished brown Camaro on Ebay has a body number of #155017, it would be the one that Rick Dyer of Mt Clemens, MI assembled back around 1990. There is a full write up on this car in Muscle Cars of the '60s/'70s, Sept/Oct '91 issue.
At the time of the photo shoot of this car, Rick told me, that in the magazine article it was going to have my name saying I authenticated it. Needless to say, but my name never showed up as he knew what the ramifications would be. If I recall the car sold before the article came out, and Rick moved on to something else. Warren

[Steven J]

Ramifications ? As in the car isn't legitimate ?

[William]

Warren Malkin?

Lost track of you years ago! COPO done yet?

Bill

[Rat_Pack]

Did Ed Cuneen ever verify this car as a legitimate COPO?............RatPack...........

[Warren Malkin]

Hey Bill! No the COPO is still in GM boxes. Maybe someday it will see the road again.
Have any more parts for sale that I dont have already?

[Charley Lillard]

Warren...Quit Hoarding all the Cool parts:-) Are you saying the Burnished Brown Car that you mentioned is not a real car ?

[William]

Warren, I'm out of the parts biz - Dougie retired in '97, sold the '67 Z/28 and ZL1. Now I just hang out here :-)

Still have the NOS rosewood?

[Warren Malkin]

Charley, it depends on what your definition of a real car means. You know we have to be careful what we say!!
Read the magazines article and you will see it says Rick found the car in a junkyard in Wheeling, W VA. Now lets do the math, a car now is being advertised as matched numbers, and you can, well eat off the floorboards. What does this add up to?
I will give you a call.

[Warren Malkin]

Bill, of course I still have the rosewood wheel! Do I ever get rid of anything?

[Charley Lillard]

I have 2 NOS Rosewoods and they are in different shaped boxes, wierd. Warren your line is busy.

[copo69]

Warren, Glad you found this place. Greg

[Bob Jenkins]

The car doesn't appear to have the splash shields on the inner fender wells, is that the right color for the alternator fan? Not picking at the car but does seem kind of strange giving the ebay description......

[SUPERSPORT]

I have been talking to the owner about the car, everything seems to match! I saw the car in person and it is awesome and spectacular in every way! Most definitely a concours car!

[Mr Yenko]

Welcome aboard Warren,
Thank you for the package it arrived
thursday as you said it would. And I
will be getting your parts together
soon.
B. Potter

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Warren;
Welcome to the board, tell us about your COPO - color, options, orig. dealer ect...

Wheeling, WV?? Not much in Wheeling! If this thing ended up in Wheeling, I wonder where it was sold originally?
M

[Warren Malkin]

Y.D.R
I will post the pictures, but probably next month. I need to buy some more gadgetry to do so. I will wait till after the holidays when the prices fall!
It's funny looking at the Chevelle in the picture. It has aluminium slots in the front, and silver painted steel wheels in the rear, with no hubcap, and snow tires!!!! Without a doubt someones daily driver. Wish I took a picture of the back of the car, since there is no license plate on the front.

[Warren Malkin]

Y.D.R.
I see you are from Douglassville. I have been there numerous times shopping at Merritt's Antiques. I went to Bowman Tech. back in 76-77 in Lancaster. One day while walking to school, a garnet red 69 Yenko Chevelle was parked on the side of the city street. I ran back to where I was staying, and grabbed my camera. I took three or four pictures of this car. It has black stripes on the SS hood. A bowtie emblem in the grill, 427 emblem on the front fender, and a Yenko badge on the fender, behind the front wheel. A real straight, rust free car at the time.
This brings me to why I took the pictures. In March of 76 I bought a 69 Camaro that had a 427 in it. I asked the second owner about the car. He said it was a 427 equipped Yenko. Well at the time Yenko didn't mean crap to me, or anyone else I knew. Information was scarce, so I went on this endless quest for knowledge. I took the pictures of the Chevelle for emblem locations, as my car didn't have any, and I thought this would be a good starting point.
Well the reason my car didn't have emblems is, it isn't a Yenko, just a COPO. My car however was purchased from Byrne Bros. Chevrolet, in White Plains, NY, and they also sold Yenko Camaros.
My VIN is #620924, body #259516 and it was built behind the 51st ZL1. It is garnet red, 4 speed, no vinyl top, no D80, It has 15,697 original miles. I am not ashamed to say, it doesn't have its original engine or trans (not my fault). The original rear is BE0317G2, and it still retains it original ring and pinion dated 2-69. The driveshaft has inline trunnions. I dismantled the whole car in 79, and basiclly it still looks the same today!!!!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Warren;
I moved to Douglassville about a year ago, to get away from the congestion of the Philadelphia suburbs. It's just a dot on the map out in the country, yet it amazes me how many people recognize it. Haven't been to Merritt's - yet, the wife keeps suggesting!!

Cool story on the Chevelle and your Camaro. Sans 9737, the ultimate sleeper look. I know that Byrne sold several COPOs & Yenkos, including Brian P's Camaro and JoeC's Yenko Chevelle. Bryne also had trouble spelling Yenko's name correctly as per their ad in 'Hot Cars' back in 69!!

The Garnet Red Yenko Chevelle is probably the one that I had searched for several years ago. VIN #356640 was a Garnet Red Yenko Chevelle sold out of Marshall Chev. in Reading, PA. This car was titled to a Kennie Shelton on May 2, 1969 who lived in Manheim, PA - just north of Lancaster. The car was never titled again in PA, Shelton's address is now a parking lot for the train station, and I have never been able to locate him. Either he still has the car, the new owner never transfered it into his name, it was wrecked, or it went out of state. The last two conditions usually are listed on the title search (pre 9/96 law), but this title search result has neither listed. There was another Garnet Red Yenko Chevelle sold out of Marshall, but that went North and was probably not the car you saw. Both cars were originally bench seat 4speeds.

Can you post pics??
M