71 Motion Camaro questions.............

[Rat_Pack]

Did all of the 71 Motion Camaros get electric fuel pumps? Also if the car was equipped with the factory tach and gauges did they still get the aftermarket tach and gauges? The stripes on non Z-28 cars were the wide single stripe, did all of them have that stripe on the roof?.................RatPack..............

[COPO]

My '71 BM Camaro started life as a Z-28 prior to the installation of the LS-6 by Motion. It seems like the Z-28's did not get the roof stripes only the cars that started life as Super Sports got them. I believe Kevin's is the same way. My car also has a Motion installed Sun tach in addition to the full factory Z-28 gauges. My car does not have an electric fuel pump, but has a hi-perf. mechanical one. Not sure how common this was. Seems like the older BM's had the dual trunk mounted electrics. Hope this helps. It's hard to get good information on the BM's as they didn't build many and they don't seem to get out of the garages often.

You seem to be asking a few of questions about '71 BM Camaros lately, did you locate one??

[Edited by COPO (12-29-2001 at 07:18 AM).]

[Rat_Pack]

Does your car have underdash gauges or a console? The only 71 Motion car I have seen is Mike's and that is only from pictures. His car started life as a Z also. I am more interested in the ones that started out as an SS or base V-8 Camaro. Just wanting to learn as I have not found one, yet.............RatPack...................

[COPO]

No console on mine and no under dash gauges.

I do not believe any of the BM cars started out in life as base models. The whole premise of producing the cars cheaply was the original engine or short block could be re-sold by the Baldwin Chev. parts department. I believe they all started as SS or Z-28's. The 67-69 cars I have seen were all original SS cars. The '70 and later camaros seem to have started as both SS and Z-28's, but predominantly Z-28's.

I have most of the Hi-Performance CARS magazines and Speed & Supercar magazines from that era that feature many BM's and don't recall ever seeing a base car.

Not saying this is absolute by any means, just basing it on what I have seen and learned to date. Was thinking a couple of other board members also owned BM Camaros. Perhaps they can add some additional info.

[Fhakya]

COPO, Has your '71 been in any publications? I'd love to see some pics! I'd also like to find some pics of Bill Ogle's car (green standard front SS). Anyone know him?

[AutoInsane]

Hummmmmmmmmmm....do I smell a feature car here?

[COPO]

My car has been featured in several publications. Here's a list:

1) Hot Rod; November 1980
2) Muscle Car Review; August 1989
3) Muscle Cars; March 1990
4) Chevy Action (cover car); March 1993 <=== I'm looking for this issue.
5) Muscle Cars Calendar; 1995
6) Muscle Car Review (cover car); October 1997
7) Used by ERTL for making the Red/White striped 1970 BM Camaro (have letter from Ertl)

The 10-97 MCR issue is probably the best as there are quite a few color pictures. The original owner is a dentist from PA who is still around. It was previously owned by John Scanelli and was restored by Greg Donahue, although it still has 80% original paint. I plan to bring the car to the next Supercar Reunion. See you there.

You can see Kevin's '71 BM Camaro in April/May '96 MCR (cover car). Do not know anything about Bill Ogle's green '71 other than caption that was in Chevy Rumble recently.




[Edited by COPO (12-30-2001 at 01:32 PM).]

[Fhakya]

I found some pics of Bill Ogle's '71. This one looks to be converted from a Z-28 (dual stripes) Lemme see if I can get this to work:
http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~holmam/Bm1-Ogle.jpg
http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~holmam/Bm2-Ogle.jpg
http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~holmam/Bm3-Ogle.jpg
http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~holmam/Bm4-Ogle.jpg
http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~holmam/Bm5-Ogle.jpg
http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~holmam/Bm6-Ogle.jpg
..and if that didn't work try this link:
http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~holmam/motion.html

-Mark Holman


[Edited by Fhakya (01-01-2002 at 07:46 PM).]

[COPO]

Nice Pics. Are those wheels Ansen Sprints?

[Rat_Pack]

That car looks great with those slot mags, not sure of brand, they all looked alike. Hey Whitetop you could probably help on this one.

I noticed one thing is that not all cars got the Motion fender emblem. It seems on some of the SS based cars he left the SS emblems on them and replaced the engine size with a 454 emblem from the Impala or from the Chevelle.

Hey is that exact hood still available anywhere? The Harwood hood does not have that long of a scoop on it. Also I was just looking through my old Motion catalog and noticed that he possibly built some of these hoods by bonding a scoop onto the stock hood as he did on some of the Chevelles. Any thoughts............RatPack..................

[whitetop]

Hello
That same hood is still available from Legendary Fiberglass in PA who made the original BM hoods for this car. They have been in business for 35+ years. Use to be known as 'Fastglass" and then later "Manufactures Associates" They will still sell you this hood. They are $375. The only diff between the hoods available today is back then they used a chopper gun and today it is handlaid. Larry said they are still using the same mold. Larry made most of the glass for Motion. The pics of the underhood shot on Bills car look just like the Legendary hood today and used the same rear bracing under the back section.

Do not use a Harwood, the L-88 scoop is not as tall and not as long.

I saw this car 12 years ago in PA. It had the original International MFG slots on it, which are the same as in the pics.
Rear is 15x8.5 with M/T L-60-15 tires Indy profile tires. Bill added the spinners and Motion decals to the spinners. I saw the car when it only had the International non spinner center caps, which is how it came from Motion-much cleaner look in my opinion. I have never seen an original Motion car in the mags from back then that had the Motion emblems on the center caps but I could be wrong. International is no longer in business. Ansen/US mags/International/ all look to be from the same mold.
I'm pos on the rears but fronts are either 15x7 or 14x7 but appear to be 15x7.

Dave







[Edited by whitetop (01-02-2002 at 09:58 AM).]

[bkhpah]

I had found this car years ago "Ogle car" in Johnstown PA. It had a ton of paperwork.. The spinner caps were not on it then. I was original paint with 13K on it. Still is. I turned it over to my friend Bill who bought the car. He had if for a number of years and then it traded hands two more times. It has a Moroso cable drive tach on the dash, Motion installed with the old Moroso logo. If anyone is interested I have the exact same tach in very good original condition with decal still on housing...BKH

[SuperCars]

Brian, I need one for my 69 B/M Chevelle. Can you email me. Thanks, Kevin

[Fhakya]

In any event, the thing looks sweet. BKHPAH, any clue what he picked it up for $$?..or what they were asking for it? (just so I can wallow in self loathing a bit more...hehe.

-Mark

[whitetop]

Mark
Bill K offered me this car twice. In 1990 I stopped at his body shop and he took me to his Mom's house were the car was stored. I was not a serious buyer at that time and just wanted to see an original BM in person. I think the car was basically for sale at that time and he said he would take 22-25k. There was no engine in the car at the time and the hood was leaning up against the wall.(The original engine in the car was long gone I believe and think Bill bought he car without an engine). I cannot remember if that price was with or without an engine. I called him in '93 and wanted to see if he would sell the car. He was undecided at that time. Bill called me a year later and said he wanted to sell the car. The price was 30-35k-ish in '94 and an engine was installed. I think he was wanting to buy an old custom Merc was his reason for selling. If I was not building a house at the time I would of bought it. When I saw the car in '90 all the original Motion paperwork and other related stuff was in a folder on the front seat. It was for sale in Hemmings in '96-'97 before Bill Ogle had it and the seller was wanting 92K I believe. That car is one of my favorite cars of all time. It just has that "look".
Dave



[Edited by whitetop (01-06-2002 at 05:03 PM).]

[bkhpah]

I think it was about 20K then. No motor, but trans was tied up in the tunnel. I was restoring a Yenko them and could not afford it. I turned it over to Bill. The rest is history...BKH