1969 Camaro copo on ebay

[Bob Jenkins]

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69</A> copo 427 3,900 miles 4 speed 12 bolt 410 rear.rosewood wheel,rally wheels,gauges consol.first copo car in new england.vin#124379n634907 floors,trunk,body orginal no rust or rot.st69-12437-nor282791bdy tr-711 67-69pnt 04c x44 cowl tag #s purchased new at scunzio chevrolet ri.orginal owner still lives in waterbury ct.car needs to be restored

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[X77D80]

Did you notice the sellers feedback rating? (-1).

[whitetop]

I can't blame him for having a -1 once you read why he rec a negative. When you list something as a seller under ebay for the 1st time it directly goes to the seller accepts escrow mode. You have to manualy change it to non escrow. Most 1st time sellers, as this guy was, do not catch this until it's to late-after the auction ends. It caught me and I have 480+ pos, no negs. Ebay has been doing some "crafty" stuff like this over the past year that is getting a lot of sellers upset.
Dave

[AutoInsane]

OK...at the auctions COPO's in exellent condition were selling for @ $45,000. So what is a COPO that needs a total restoration worth? And the more pertinent question, what does the seller think it is worth?

I would think the car should be a fair sale south of 20k.

Just my opinion....

Bill

[Kurt S]

No mention of what drivetrain or docs are with the car, but this would be a beautiful car. One of my favorite colors!!

[SuperNovaSS]

Has anyone talked to this guy? Why aren't there any engine pictures? Any documentation? How does he know the miles are right? Rear antenna???? Just curious.


Jason

[big guns]

No pictures of the engine makes me wonder to. I contacted the seller and he has no info on the car.Would be a rather nice car to redo if origanal.And with documentation here is the owner's phone that the seller gave to me does anybody want to contact him...

contact owner mon/fri 8:00-5:00
203-937-0570
ask for, bill

[68l30]

I've got a couple of copies of ads from Scuncio.I'll check the dates when I get home from work.

[NWYENKO]

What is "a service package"? Would this mean possibly a replacement block? The green COPO at Barrett with a replacement block brought only $38000. Does a $30k reserve seem reasonable?? Also wonder if floorpans or wheelwells have been hurt in any way.

[Edited by NWYENKO (01-28-2002 at 11:38 AM).]

[Edited by NWYENKO (01-28-2002 at 11:39 AM).]

[Wacky174]

Looking at COPO prices at Barrett-Jackson. No probably not worth it unless it was super special which at this point it doesn't reflect. Also what is up with that new inducted hood in the pictures. Bill, the owner did not say but if it was raced as much as he claims I would think the car had a monster hood scoop added at some point. The owner said the car was not cut up but I'll bet the quarters panel well are knock in to allow for drag slicks. Tha car is set up with an add on traction kit '69 circa he added..... If Brian Henderson chimes in he will have some answers as for Scuncio and dates. The owner has gotten over 250 Email on this car and added that he will not respond back by e-mail. It will be interesting to see how much it goes for or who is the first to get to him and hand him cash and close the auction.

Wacky

[Edited by Wacky174 (01-28-2002 at 11:56 AM).]

[Stefano]

There are numerous reasons the 2 mentioned COPOs at auction ,achieved their respective bids.

But,how about the Hugger Orange COPO? It was in very good condition and was bid just a bit higher than the other two mentioned on this thread?

[NWYENKO]

I think the orange car went for $73k,which was significantly higher than the others. A beautiful orange Canadian car fully documented and correct restoration sold in the upper $60's last spring. Documentation,as well as matching drive train seem to be the real premium. The really nice Yenko at Russo Steele brought $74500 without any matching running gear.

[Stefano]

The price disparity from "Really Nice" to a "best of show" COPO/Supercar is substantial.

[Wacky174]

Whitetop that must be the same car from what your saying. Do you have any photo's you could post. I would like to see one or two. I can't believe that I can't recall this car. I'm sure a photo would do the trick.. If it's the same car I would think that restoring it back to it's race trim would not only be awesome but would bring greater value knowing what it was or is.. Who was the driver, Deb the engine builder? the new owner is reluctant to say. The driver I would believe would likely be the 1st owner. Is DEB an acronym or abreviation for something or is this the fellas first name. this thread could be very interesting in the days to come..

Wacky

[JoeC]

Ralph Ridgerunner had a 69 Z/28 called the Ridgerunner with Deb's sponsorship. He was also tied in with Motion Performance. There was a small chain of speedshops in the CT in the mid 70s called "Ridgerunners" which may have been tied in with Ralph Ridgerunner. The Scuncio house cars were called "Strip Teaser I" and "Strip Teaser II" and had CWS speed Equipment as sponsor and were run by Bob Johnson. This info is from old magazine articles but the drag racers were always changing things so the cars and sponsors may have changed.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Been there, saw the Deuce. Not sure as to it's authenticity. No papework, no engine, no trans, wrong rear. Repainted, but has some trouble spots, black stripes applied to a blue car. Incorrect interior, door panels, '73 dashpad, leafspring 'birdcages' welded into floorboards, ect...
M

[Wacky174]

Like I said in my first post, I'm a rather conservative guy that doesn't usually get off on a tangent or chase false leads but maybe the Crook statement fits best of all..

Wacky

[68l30]

I agree with whitetop on the Scuncio car.My ads are dated for 1970 with the B. Johnson car with CWS sponsership as well as the Strip Teaser II name.Both ads the car is sans D-80 equipment and running A/S.I looked at the Ebay pictures again,where's the 140 speedo? It looks like a 120 mph. The seats look like deluxe covers( the seams/pleats are running the wrong way).What happened to the 711 interior?Two many questions.......

Steve

[Edited by 68l30 (01-28-2002 at 03:49 PM).]

[whitetop]

The DEB car that I'm thinking about was a dark color. Only pics I had seen of the car was in B&W. Hot Cars or Chevy Action, Chevy Power had a 2 page feature on the car. I'm 99% sure it had a black vinyl top. The car was in a million ads back then because of it's record holding status. I was thinking it was more '70-'71 when the car was popular. Joe C. do you know what happened to Ralph Ridgeway and his car? That car was also featured many times in Car Craft etc. The stripes were comprised of lace paint, fogging etc. Be a cool car to find today and restore.
Dave

[Wacky174]

OK guy's the story gets thicker, I talked again this afternoon with Bill and he was rather open about the car. He said he was with the original owner and a few other buddy's the day the car was picked up. He own's a wrecking yard and has a large group of drag buddies. I asked him about the history of the car again. He said that it "was not" the well know record setting Deb car but a car that was occasionally raced. It was originaly maroon or red but the owner painted it some crappy brown color soon after delivery. He said the block had some number like T0xxxJE, I think it should be a CE, he said it may be. It's stored at his home under the house. Get this, sitting next to it is a 70 Yenko Duece from Arkansas for sale as well. $20k. The Yenko has an automatic with black bench seat. Strips still on car but motor was replaced. He said the car is nice shape.. maybe a few of you likely know this guy already. He said he is very popular. I don't know if thats in a good way or crook way. He seems nice on the phone and is open to questions. He is into all kinds of stuff so he says and has a large variety of HIPO parts and cars.. As for the reserve. If not met he will not take offers, and will not disclose the name of the original owner until the close of the auction. But he said the owner of the DEB speed shop owned the car so I take it that that's the shadowy figure. Anyone think they know the guy. He claims he's someone with a great racing history and will introduce the winner to him upon the close of the auction.

Wacky

[Edited by Wacky174 (01-28-2002 at 05:13 PM).]

[SuperCars]

Sounds unusual to me. Why would a key factor like the original owner with some famous history to the car be kept a secret. Is he trying to drive the price down???

[shor]

I too spoke to Bill on the phone. He told me pretty much the same story he told wacky...he also said he had a zl1...i think he said number 56 or 59 i forget which.

[shor]

Supercars, He also said the original owner wanted to buy the car back but didn't have the money....Doesn't sound like the original owner would be willing to help or share any info with the next owner...just my gut impression

[SuperCars]

Hmm...the top bidders are at $20,000 one day after it was listed and have (0) and (0) feedback. When you think about it, sure would be a good way to get your item bid up; by having a couple buddies who know what the reserve is bid away on it.

[Steven J]

This car was shipped to dealer # 32613 on 4-29-69. anyone know which dealer this applies to ?

[Kurt S]

That's the dealer code for Scuncio.
Is that info from the NICB?

It would be confirm the car if he posted the drivetrain #'s.

Warren,
Do you know of this car?

Kurt S

[whitetop]

Deb was a well known Speed Shop/Engine builder in NE around that time. I recall a famous '69 Camaro that had DEB in large letters on it. Car had tons of magazine coverage and was in lots of speed equipment ads. It was always in the New York based publications i.e. Hot Cars, Rodder and Super Stock etc.
If it is the same car it has lots of pedigree.Didn't the Scunio sponsored '69 that was in all their ads have DEB on it??

FYI Another '69 Camaro was sponsored by Debs was a small block Z-28 and called the "Ridgerunner" and had the 1st tunnel ram setup made on a production line called applicply the "Ridgerunner"

[Edited by whitetop (01-28-2002 at 12:37 PM).]

[Stefano]

Kurt,
I have never used NICB for info, how does it work?

[Warren Malkin]

I looked at this car last night, it appears to be legitimate. The rearend is totally covered in oil, which has been there forever. I cleaned off the area where the code was, and it is so clean you would think it was a new tube. Anyway it read as follows: BE 0417. I would say the rearend housing was the best part of the whole car.
I will try to summarizethe rest of the car. It had a short rear spoiler, missing one trunk spring, RS taillights. It had two holes that were filled, on the tailpanel, next to the drivers taillight. Must have been for a dealer emblem. Tweaked rear bumper. The rear wheelhousings were opened up for larger tires, so at the front and back there was no lip on the quarter, or inner wheelhousing. You can put your fingers between the two panels were they are separated.
The roof has all sorts of dents. Pretty good size cracks at the top of windshield pillar, on both sides, where it meets the roof. Rot rust at base of windshield inside of car.
Speedo is a 120, 6-7 tach, console gauges, shifter tunnel hogged out slightly, of course the wrong seats as seen in the ebay picture.
Curved neck radiator was dated March. Had the hole above fuse box, with some of the original hood harness intact. Throttle lever was for ducted hood. Had the Muncie hole in firewall, for speedo cable. Cable was still there. Wrong engine block, but it is suppose to have the original top end. The heads were "840" dated A.2.9, A.8.9
Couldn't get at the tranny to see if original. Had some round header mufflers in the way. The foorpan had a driveshaft strap bolted to it. The driveshaft also had offset trunnions.
Bill would have let me look at the tranny except he had no floor jack. I left my jacket at his house, so I guess I'll throw a jack, and some stands in my trunk for my next trip over there.
The car looks like someone left it outside for twenty years. The back window looks like it could be getting rot rust under the moulding in the corner. For the most part a solid car, just not pretty to look at. Paint code is 67-67.
This guy Bill, definitely is not hurting for money, so I don't think you will see any fire sale soon.
I will update you guys on the tranny info. Warren

[Kurt S]

Too bad on the roof, that's a pain to fix.
Is the short spoiler original? Real late if so.
Original distributor? That would help show that its the original top end of the engine.

[JoeC]

Are the rear end tubes welded to the center section and are the rear spring brackets re-welded to the axle tube? A serious drag car may have had some re-welding done as it didn't take many runs with slicks to brake the factory welds.

[Edited by JoeC (01-29-2002 at 01:46 PM).]

[Rat_Pack]

Kurt, there is an 03B car with the short spoiler out there that is supposed to be original. Did I send you pics? This car does not sound as rough as it looks in the pictures. I agree with Brian, Burgandy with VE3 bumper up front would look awesome with a silver grill...............RatPack............

[whitetop]

and Cragar SS wheels..........

[Warren Malkin]

Didn't notice the rear having any extra welds, but when I go back, I have a laundry list of things still to check.
I failed to mention before that the drivers rear frame rail had the plate welded to it for the tailpipe hanger. Also had the 3/8ths fuel line. I checked one front rotor, and it was the two piece design, hub bolted to the rotor. Front of frame had tow tabs attached. I will check front of frame to see if it has the hole for front spoiler, center brace screw. I didn't check out the front sheet metal to see if it is original to the car. Not sure if it originally came with a rear antenna. The pass door wouldn't open, as it was hanging up on the pass fender. I was going to see if there was a plug where the antenna lead goes through between the door hinges.
I will check out more on the engine, and the car in general. I'll see if he has the air cleaner asm. I was on limited time checking out the car, as Bill was 45 minutes late showing up.
I will call him tomorrow and see if I can look at it again tomorrow night.
I will post my findings. Warren

[COPO PETE]

If it's a spoiler car, it wont have the rear antenna.
Peter

[Stefano]

Aren't all Spoilerd COPOs designated as such,
X44 D80 or X11 D80 on the trim tags?

[COPO]

Stefano, I would say most D80 cars are not designated on the trim tag. Most I have seen have been later cars.

[COPO PETE]

My spoiler car is not designated on the trim tag.
Peter

[Wacky174]

Ok guy's here we go. I don't usually do this but I did call the owner and this is what he said. "Quote" The car is authentic, it has the original "BE" still in it along with the curve neck, The motor was blown two weeks after the car was purchased new at "Scuncio" Chevy and had a service package put into it. He said that it was the first COPO in the New England area per the dealership. The car was raced allot throughout New England, to include Englishtown. He said the car has a very famous drag racing past. The body is said to be rock solid. The Ebay picture depict a car that needs paint, I asked what happened, and he said that it had race emblem over it and was in need of paint so it was sanded for paint but never finished. The car had the name "DEB" on the side. He claims the name was famous in the area during its day. I'm 43 and I can't recall it. BKH should/could know ??. As for originality he is the fourth owner. The story takes a twist. The original owner is still alive but the new owner "Bill" will not give me his name, he said that he, the original owner, if he was to tell me his name I would know of him if I was into drag racing or followed it at all. Which I do. Anyway the second owner bought it but did not seem to remember when? The third owner was convicted of murder in the '70's and is in jail, that's right, WOW. Then Bill ends up with it hence super low miles. bill said that it has sat nearly it's enitre life. He continued to say that the original owner is pulling together original paper work for the car. Bill insisted that it is original and will double anyoneÃs money back if it's not. Yea! The reserve is set at $30k. In closing he said that the car when new had rally wheels and bright chrome trim. I asked about the sway bar and tach. The car has the 120 Speedo and wasn't sure about the diameter of the sway bar. The interior is nice with full gauge package and was said to be ordered with D80. Well I could ramble but that's what I have. I would have jumped on it today but I have a few project cars I'm finishing up on and was looking for another matching car besides. Bill can be reached at 203-937-0570. Have fun guys. Doesn't appear to be a bad deal if the owner is true in what he is saying. keep us posted if someone out thier in Conneticut goes and sees it. I think he said Waterbury, Conn. Oh I'm lost on the fact that he said the earliest car purchased in New England. The car has an April build date. When did Scuncio appear on the map for SuperCars ??

Wacky


[Edited by Wacky174 (01-29-2002 at 09:31 PM).]

[Stefano]

Peter,
Your Copo is a Canadian car, correct?
If so, does the GM of Canada paperwork Document your spoiler?

[bkhpah]

The Yenko run starting 06A show up as D80 on the trim tag. I have not seen any Yenko's earlier than that with the code on the tag. I am not sure about D80 on the trim tags prior. Check the trunk rods for two different size rods for factory spoilers...BKH

[bkhpah]

Sounds like a good restoration project. If the car was done well it would and should bring the right money. I have yet to see a real High-Performance by Scunzio COPO. The build date on the car seems likley it would not be the first COPO in that area, but who really knows. As for the color it is very rare. It would be a dynamic package with the rally wheels and D80. An enduro bumper would really set it off in that color with the silver grill. Overall I would think it will make someone a very rare and attractive Camaro. I am looking through my old magazines, but have yet to make the DEB connection. The upside on this car is very good. Who will pull the trigger on this one?..BKH

[Edited by bkhpah (01-29-2002 at 12:26 PM).]

[COPO PETE]

The GM of Canada papersork does document weather or not the cars came with spoilers!
Peter

[Warren Malkin]

This car only has one torsion spring in the trunk. I guess I have to bring my micrometer to see if it is the larger of the two. Even if both springs were missing, I should still be able to figure out if it came with spoilers.
Cars with the build date of 05D is the earliest I have seen with D80 on the trim tag. Warren

[bkhpah]

Ther should be a hole in the frame for the front spoiler center brace...BKH

[Stefano]

Warren,
My Douglass Yenko is an X11 D80 with O5D date also.
So it seems that prior to the mentioned dates, COPOs had spoilers but without trim tag designation.

[Warren Malkin]

BKH, in my second posting on this car, I mentioned I was going to check for hole in frame. The underside of trunklid has been painted brown, but still has original jacking instructions attached. I'll see if I can peel it back a little to see if original burgundy paint is underneath. Then if the lid is original to car I will see if Camaro emblem holes are present for a spoiler car.

Stefano, Factory spoiler cars whether a COPO, Z/28, SS, or just a plain Jane prior to 05D, wouldn't be coded on tag with D80, that I am aware of.

William, what surprises can you bring to light on this D80 subject? Warren

[Stefano]

What took place, internally at GM to make this specific trim tag change?

[SuperNovaSS]

RESERVE MET! Bidder has 0 feedback, anyone know who it is?


Jason

[Offshore]

In an earlier posting, the original owner was said to be the former owner of DEB speed shop(s) in Connecticut.
Karl Debian, Retired, living in Florida

[NWYENKO]

Very interesting bidder history (a lot of "0"'s) Come on somebody here tell me this is worth that kind of $'s. Looks like a $40k-$50K resto project!!

[Wacky174]

For those in the New England area post a reply if anyone know of the history of "DEB"..

Wacky


[Edited by Wacky174 (01-30-2002 at 09:06 PM).]

[Stefano]

We have the advantage of professional restorers as members and I know that estimates are just approximations.

So does anyone else care to provide a qualified cost estimate ,to include parts and labor, to bring this COPO up to current maximum show standards?

[Charley Lillard]

To bring things back into perspective....What we appear to be looking at is a COPO with no paperwork and the wrong engine..... I hope it gets better.

[TwoBryans]

b/j question?
kind of odd that one of reggies old cars(the black copo) with supposedly 40k original miles and all matching numbers would have an a/c dash. was that some kind of special option? a one of one copo? i guess i wasn't the only one wondering what the deal was, could that be why it only brought $45k?
anyone know any details on this car?

[68l30]

Reserve met and Sold $30,000 !!!!

[Kurt S]

Warren,
Did you get at chance to see it again?

Kurt

[Warren Malkin]

Yes, I went back and checked it out again. The car doesn't retain its original tranny. Original shifter and bracket gone. Had the correct crossmember. It didn't come equipped with D80. Remember I said the best part of the car was the rear, well there is a problem. Because the car was hammered, the pass axle tube developed a crack by the leaf spring perch weld. It had been fixed a one point. Must have been seeping still as the rear, and back half of undercarriage is all oily. On the positive side it did preserve the metal. The heads and possibly the intake is original. The block is a JE with an A stamped over, and askew to the E. The radiator still has its original core, also still had the tag attached. Ducted hood relay was still on the firewall. Tow tabs welded to front subframe. No silver grill, had a newer all black one. The car overall is a very restorable, and has good integrity
Bill now has a LS6 convertible on ebay unrestored, (other than a paint job), and needing restoration. He said he bought the COPO and LS6 off the same guy. Warren

[Eli]

Hi folks...nice forum you have here. I have something to add to the 69 e-bay copo saga. I am the person who has the option of purchasing this vehicle. Myself (age 40), my two sons (age 9 and 11 - and needing to do a great deal more wrench turning than they have to date) and, on behalf of my father (age 67) have been looking for a replacement for the copo my father sold (in 1979) to pay my last two years tuition at the University of Louisville engineering school (go Cards!). Anyway, I do not believe the seller is a crook in that he has specifically told me that if I do not want to purchase the car then that is fine with him and he will provide no negative feedback. I GREATLY appreciate the info I have found on this site as it will help in making a decision on purchase. So....here are the two questions: (1) The 30K is in my budget (and I know that it is about 8K to much to pay) but I do not know if this vehicle is worth it (again, have just started looking and do not know the frequency a project becomes available), and (2) if the recommendation from this forum is to not purchase does anyone have anything similar to sell or can give me some insight into where to look?

I have just started looking for a car (my mother knows of the search, my father does not). Any help in securing a family project would be great.

Info on my company can be found at ics-gsg.com. Again, thanks very much for the help.

Eli

[shor]

Brian, This is a good question for you to answer.

[Jeff H]

Eli, are you looking for a project or a completed or unrestored car? Does it matter if it is matching #'s or not? I know of a Black #'s matching COPO in AZ priced in the $60's, but he may up his price after seeing what happened at the Barrett Jackson auction. Sounds like your looking to replace your father's car, but #'s may not be a big factor.

[Eli]

Wow-
This really is an excellent forum. I am glad I was referred to it. In answer to the questions asked, I would greatly prefer a project instead of a finished vehicle. Numbers matching would (as always) be nice, but 'correct' is acceptable to my family.

[sixtiesmuscle]

Eli, I agree with Marlin, especially if you and your family are going to do much of the work together.

[Eli]

Actually, it is Ken. Eli the Iceman is a phrase used by electrical engineers...and..as my last name is Ice I have had the nickname of Eli since college (or since 20+ years ago). I will wait and read the next couple of days posts before I decide on traveling up and seeing the car in person. I do not have the ability to restore the body. However, my father and I do have the ability to restore the mechanicals (and would greatly enjoy this with my sons).

Lastly, I have not seen the car in person, but the current owner said he believed the car was an RS option car. I asked for photo's from the original owner to document this. I will keep all posted and greatly appreciate the time taken to date. If I go forward with the purchase I feel good about the assistance I can look forward to via this forum.

Eli

[Charley Lillard]

Welcome to the site. Sounds like a neat car. My only concern is no paperwork. Hopefully some will turn up in the future. I would print this thread as a kind of start for your documentation. Warrens visual inspection of the car in a unrestored condition lends credibility to the car. I would also printout the Ebay item. If you want to really have fun just leave it Belair62's house and see if he can leave it alone... Come back when it's done. :-)

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Eli;
Not sure that an X44 car could be an RS, I think the RS option required the gingerbread of the X11 trim group. There were no pics on the auction site of under the hood, so couldn't see which side the windshield washer jar was on, ect... Also no pics of rear of car to see if backup lights are in the rollpan, ect...
M

[bbdon]

If I understand Ebay correcctly, and I think that I do, Eli has already entered into an agreement to buy the car, that's what he agreed to when he bid on it. Am I missing something? Doesn't anyone else think that it would be wrong to back out now?

[Belair62]

One at a time Charley......winter is almost over so I have to stop soon ! I'm still trying to get up the courage to tackle the darn heater core....

[Stefano]

I recently paid way to much for a 1955 Chevy ex-hot rod. It hadn't run for over 6 years.
My nine year old son and I recently brought it back to life (just got it running).
The value of this shared experience and time with my son is priceless.

[COPO PETE]

I have to agree with Marlin on the RS thing. I believe all the RS COPO's were X11 cars. Any of you RS boys out there have an X44 car or are they X11 cars. X11 I would bet.
Peter

[COPO]

X-44 would NOT be a factory RS car. X-11 COULD be an RS car, but most were not.

[SuperNovaSS]

It depends on the seller. If I sell a car on Ebay I will give the buyer a chance to look at the car. If the car is as described then the seller should buy it. However, if I buy a car off Ebay and it is different than described I would be quite upset.


Jason

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Is it Kevin or Eli??

You ask some interesting questions that are difficult to answer. If you feel you paid approx. $8k too much, are you asking if $30k or $22k is a fair price? If you have sentimental reasons for the purchase, then the final price paid is not as relevant.

I know of many COPO projects that have been sold within the last few years, but they usually do so via word-of-mouth.

Bottom line, if you want a COPO car, you have just bought a nice solid project, in a rare color, without common options (D80), that will look awesome if you restore it correctly, and hey, it might just turn out to be a bargain a few years from now http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif
Marlin

[bkhpah]

The X44 COPO is a base car without style trim. If you are doing this as a family project go for it. You can take your time as you look for parts. Engine items, trim , body panels etc are getting harder to find all the time and the repo parts they sell for the most part are junk. It's hard to believe they can even sell this stuff. The car you have bought will be a stunning combination when finished. I have yet to see a Scunzio COPO car in person. The car is super low miles. As far as paper is concerned. It seems well documented and has all the things you would look for in a COPO. X44 big blocks are COPO's. As for price payed, who cares but you. Any board member would want at least that for it if it were theirs. You may find a project that costs less, but you will get less most of the time. As time goes buy it will seem like you did very well, and I think you did well at this point. Choose your parts venders wisely. Ask questions to this board. Many members do restorations all the time. It will be an excellent project with a high upside when done...BKH

[Eli]

Just a note to the person who questioned my possibly "backing-out" of this purchase. FYI - This would be the first item I have purchased from eBay. I spoke (via e-mail) with eBay and directly with the seller of this car. From both the eBay and seller's perspectives it is simply a matter of meeting the stated terms of the sale. Regularly, eBay terms will say things like '50% deposit required within 5 days', 'payment in full due within 48 hours', or lots of other variations.

As it was my belief this car would sell for quite a bit, I contacted the seller and asked what the terms would be. He told me that he did not want any money (assuming I would be the successful bidder) unless I saw the car and that it was exactly as described. He repeated the same statement previously noted here that he would repay any monies given to him on a 3 to one ratio if the car was not genuine. After I was listed as the winning bidder I called to see how much of a deposit I needed to send FEDEX. I proposed $15,000. Seller declined, stating he did not want any money unless I was totally satisfied. I guess what I am saying is that both the purchaser and the seller are satisfied at this time...so that seems to be all that is required.

On another note, I will try tomorrow to contact an individual about authentication of this car (and will keep all posted). I spoke with the seller tonight and he agrees that the tranny is not the original one (though he had originally told me it was). Seller added that he checked with the original owner (who apparently owned three and raced at least two copo cars) who said this was not the RS copo car. Seller has begun to negotiate price down based on all of the excellent info I have found out in this forum. Again, MANY thanks. The comments on possibly working on this family project have not been lost on me.

Eli