Heater Delete GM Canadian COPO?

[69L89396]

I was looking at the feature car for March and I didn't notice any heater hoses. Is this car heater delete?

How did they sell a GM Canadian car without a defrost and be legal? I though they only did that for cars that shipped over seas.

[JChlupsa]

ALl three of my cars 67/68 & 69 RS's all are heater delete cars. One orginally from here in Hawaii the other two from the Southwest mainland (USA). I have never heard of a Heater being mandatory in order to make it legal to drive, no matter where it was shipped.

[1969L78Nova]

I drove a 1964 VW in Canada (Winnipeg)for years with no heater. It was mighty cold but perfectly legal!
Martin

[JoeC]

The story (as I recall) on the heater delete is that there was a Gov. regulation stating that all cars starting in 1968 required a windshield defrost/defog system. The heater is part of the system. The 1967 Corvette L88s were heater delete but the 1968 L88s had heaters. I do not know if the defrost/defog Law was just continental USA or all states or if foreign sales were allowed a heater delete option. Does anyone have a window sticker or other documents from 68 or 69 with a heater delete option code? I don't know of any documented COPO 427 cars with heater delete option.

[COPO PETE]

Of the 50 or so COPO Camaro's that came to Canada, I have never seen a documented heater delete one. I would be interested in seeing some documentation if they have it.
Peter

[Charley Lillard]

Hawaiian....I think the law was just for cars in the Continental U.S. I have also seen 69 Camaro's on Maui with Factory Heater Deletes.

[copo69]

I got this from Rich Fields @ CRG when I asked the question.

The heater delete option was not allowed under US law as of
1 Jan 1968 because a new Federal law took effect on that
date (see below) mandating a front window defroster (and
thus the heater was required). The heater delete is listed
in the 1968 assembly manual, and might theoretically have
been briefly available at model introduction in September
1967 through the end of the calendar year; however we have
never seen a documented 1968 Camaro with a heater delete,
and Chevrolet production records show none as being sold.
Heater delete plates continued to be made for
over-the-counter sale after 1967, and can and were applied
to 1968-69 Camaros as an after-factory modification.
However, after 1967, heater delete plates were only used by
the factory on export vehicles or vehicles assembled
overseas, such as the Yutivo Phillipine Camaros.

For reference, see:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/standards/safstan2.htm

Standard No. 103 -- Windshield Defrosting and Defogging
Systems -- Passenger Cars, Multipurpose Passenger Vehicles,
Trucks, and Buses (Effective 1-1-68)

This standard specifies requirements for windshield
defrosting and defogging systems.

Best wishes,

Rich Fields
Camaro Research Group
question on heater delete cars.

[copo69]

That's really neat. I'd really like to see a '69 sticker with the heater delete option. If you get a copy could you send me a copy? Thanks I installed heater delete on my car and even though it isn't original it really looks neat.

[copo69]

Where were these cars were built? Perhaps they could be some of the Phillipine built cars.

[JChlupsa]

The L78 Car was a LA car i believe No way it was a PI car, I have been trying to get over to The Big Island to take a look at one that is said to be one, and if it is with luck it will come home to Oahu. My mother-n-law (Filipino) remembers some of her friends did bring some of the Camaros back from the PI but just where they are now is anyones guess. Even have some of her family back in the PI looking for me. Ill try to get a pic of the 69's sticker and will send it out if it is listed as heater delete and will also post if its not listed.

Os with the PI Camaros some of the people there didnt even know they had some that were PI made.

http://www.dragracingpinoy.com

go to the photo gallery and then to AHRA events and the blue Camaro is a PI built car not sure of the others. It is said that the burgandy car was left when US Forces left when the volcano blew up.

[69L89396]

HawaiianCamaro,
It would be interesting to see that window sticker on where that car was shipped. Why do you think an LA car could not be a PI car?

Would the heater delete RPO show up on the window sticker? It would be an RPO, right?

[JChlupsa]

If it was ordered by a Service Member that was stationed in the PI it might have been a LA car and shipped as heater delete. As for what i call a PI car is one that was shipped to the PI and then assembled at the PI plant. Service Members could arder cars and get them shipped free from the mainland thus not having to mess with a huge (sometimes 200%) importation tax. The PI/Spain/Greece and other coutries are well known for jacking up the taxes when they know you have money and in the PI service members then were making about what a local would make in a year in one weeks pay. These cars had their own VIN and Cowl tags and not the GM tags we all see day to day. CRG has more info and pics of the tags.

[JChlupsa]

I always tell myself to learn at one thing new a day and you guys made me do that, but now I have to wonder why my 69 has Heater delete plates and no under-dash vents. My 68 (09C)was before Standard No 103 was in effect. It has no underdash ducting outside of the astro-ventalation.

Standard No. 103 -- Windshield Defrosting and Defogging Systems -- Passenger Cars, Multipurpose Passenger Vehicles, Trucks, and Buses (Effective 1-1-68)

This standard specifies requirements for windshield defrosting and defogging systems


[Edited by HawaiianCamaro (04-11-2002 at 05:56 AM).]

[Edited by HawaiianCamaro (04-11-2002 at 06:50 PM).]

[SuperNovaSS]

Is the car on the Big Island a Phillipenes or heater delete car? I may know of the car and may be able to give you an idea of the condition. I will check these parts cars for a build location as well.



Jason

[JChlupsa]

Its said to be a PI built car. dont have any other details on it. delete or not I would still like to bring it to Oahu http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif
Guess it it worked out ok it would become my wifes car hey a Filipina driving a PI car, cant get to much orginal than that http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

[69L89396]

So I take it that Canadian built cars stated to be shipped for Canadia could be heater delete and those shipped to the states all had heaters.

What dealer was the March featured car shipped to?

[SuperNovaSS]

I know of 2 68 camaro parts cars out here with heater deletes. I will take pictures before I take them off if I'm able to buy them. I also looked at a 69 Convert. a while back with heater delete. I am also parting out a 1970 Boss 302 right now that is a heater delete car. They were definetly available in Hawaii.



Jason



Jason

[JChlupsa]

We had an 69 L78 SS at cruise night this past Sat that had the plate also. Owner has the Window Sticker would it show up on that? Ill take a look at it next time and if it shows up Ill take a pic and send it to R. Fields and others that would like to see.

[Mark]

Does anyone know of any company that reproduces the heater delete setup? I know that previoulsy on this board a company was listed with their email address but they never responded. Or?? maybe someone out there
has a setup for sale?

[JChlupsa]

Still have yet to check on the 69 SS that i know has a Heater delete plate but I did run across a pic of a Red 69 Crossramed RS/Z28 that on its display board states "Dealer Options" Heater Delete knowing whos car this is and no doubt a Very respected member of the Camaro community I would lay odds he has it on paper someplace? Or is Dealer option different than Factory options. I would think that a dealer could not remove a heater also in fear of the new law. Guess a better way to put it when do Dealer Options no longer count as such. If a dealer removes the heater and installs block off plates a year after the car is sold is it still a Dealer option, or must it be done prior to it leaving the dealers lot when new
http://www.coloradocamaroclub.org/Members_Bios/Larry_Christensen/69_Z28.jpg

[rat tuned]

when I went to california I checked original parts group for the heater delete kit for my 69 chevelle and it was discontinued. although it was listed for a 66-67 all I need is the firewall pieces. there was some comments of the quality but my car is just a clean driver. i don't know of any one else.