70 Yenko Nova Wheel Paint [Archive] - The Supercar Registry

Bob

05-01-2002, 03:57 PM

EXACTLY how should the wheels be painted? Are they black or gray on the back with overspray? Which argent silver should be used, the regular or the one with green tint? What about the inserts? Charcoal or satin black? Who is the best supplier of paints and stencils? Sorry, for all the questions on such a simple topic but I want to do it right. Thanks, Bob

JoeC

05-14-2002, 08:38 PM

You can get some tips on painting the SS wheel from the Team Chevelle web site but from what I read Yenko was buying the wheel from the manufacturer not from Chevy. I don't know if the wheel was painted the same as the Chevelle SS wheel.

SS427

05-15-2002, 03:38 AM

Hopefully this works for a change. http://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/crazy.gif

http://www.chevelles.com/forum/Forum23/HTML/006001.html

Allen

05-15-2002, 05:32 AM

I'm curious and looking to see what the answers would be to Bob's questions.... does anyone know?

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

11-25-2002, 06:13 PM

Hey Bob;
I just found this old post about the wheel color.

The '69 SS wheels were the argent silver (without the green tint) with very dark charcoal painted inserts. The '70 SS wheels were the same silver, but the inserts were black. I will check the brand of the silver paint that I use, but I remember that the number is 1403. I use a semi-gloss black for the inserts, and I taped them by hand rather than using stencils. It's time consuming, but they look good when finished. The backs of the SS rims are a 'dove' gray, a little darker, and a little smoother. I don't know of anyone who looks at the backs of the rims, but that's what I found out when I did my research so that's the way I painted mine.

For the XT coded steel wheel in the trunk, only the front-side of the rim gets painted red the back-side remains black. The rim gets mounted upside down in the trunk, but your efforts are not wasted because you will be able to see the red overspray blown through the holes in the front.

ORIGLS6

11-26-2002, 01:27 AM

Marlin,
Correct on the Argent Silver for the spokes and rims as well as the "Dove Gray" for the back. But the '70 SS wheel was also very dark charcoal in the inserts. The '69's and '70's were painted identical. Many people think the inserts are black but if you paint them black and set them near a charcoal wheel, the difference is obvious. Most of the resto suppliers offer all three colors. I just recently ran across a couple of wheels that I thought were Chevelle SS wheels, only to discover they had a 4 1/2 inch bolt pattern. FORD wheels!
I swore they were the same as the ones on my car; right detail on the spokes, color, back color, everything is exact. The fellow at the tire store proved me wrong with his gauge. FYI everyone, if you're looking for these wheels, check the codes and the bolt pattern.

Rat_Pack

11-26-2002, 03:14 AM

ORIGLS6, even an easier way to identify those wheels. The Ford Magnum wheels have the Ford logo stamped in them on the outside lip on the backside of the wheel. I ran into this problem with a 69 Chevelle I bought. The spare would not fit and upon closer inspection there was the Ford emblem stamped in the wheel! Since then I watch what I buy very carefully. I have seen the crooks sell complete sets of Ford wheels with the SS center caps installed and get away with it. Buyer beware.....................RatPack............

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

11-26-2002, 12:05 PM

Sorry Origls6, I have to disagree! The '70 wheels, coded 'AO' for the Novas and Chevelles should have the black inserts, the '69 wheels coded 'YA' should have the charcoal. I agree the charcoal is very dark, close to black, but the '70's are definitely black!

I'm sure some of the '70 wheels may have been mispainted, mistamped from leftover '69 stock, or an early owner already painted incorrectly, but all of the original wheels from '70 deuces have been black.

SS427

11-26-2002, 12:22 PM

Marlin, Is there a chance Novas and Chevelles were painted differently. I cannot imagine why they would be and '70 Chevelles used both the YA and AO wheel. I have documented many survivor Chevelles but never had the oportunity to do a Nova. Dennis's LS-6 is an original owner Fred Gibb car and I looked the car over very thoroughly this weekend at VetteFest, his wheels are definitely Charcoal Grey metalic. Dennis's car has never been restored or "fluffed" and remains as delivered excluding some consumable items.

JoeC

11-26-2002, 12:30 PM

The SS wheel paint color as been debated by Chevelle people for years as far as black/gray colors. There is also a question on UV damage changing the color of original wheels. In my opinion there may have been different colors from the factory because of a variance in paint mixing. We don't know how tight they were on the quality control of the colors. There are examples of original wheels in both black and gray.

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

11-26-2002, 12:31 PM

I'm not sure if they were painted differently, I wouldn't think so because I believe that is the reason for the wheel code change from YA to AO. If you get a chance, check the dates on the wheels, maybe they're super early AO's, or YA's. Don ordered the Deuce wheels directly from kelsey hayes/motorwheel, and not from GM - hence the magnum 500 inserts on the centercaps under the 'Y's. All of the Deuce wheels are dated from approx. 4/18-4/25 of '70, so we have some good info that by that date the inserts were consistently black.

Mr70

11-26-2002, 01:38 PM

Of all the Survivor 14X7 SS rims I have seen,YA or AO,they are painted Charcoal Grey.Besides Dennis's,at Vettefest there was Daves Citrus Green special order Chevelle,and it had a Uniroyal Spare tire & Original SS wheel.When I removed it,and flipped it,it was dated 2/70 AO,and painted Charcoal grey.Also one of the most Virgin unweathered Wheels I have ever seen.I have seen Survior SS wheels dated as early as November 68 to July 70 and all were Charcoal grey.When I see them Black,they were recently painted.Could Don have had the Deuce SS wheels repainted Black for a bolder effect back in the Day?

ORIGLS6

11-26-2002, 02:39 PM

Marlin,
I certainly don't mean to dispute your information. I guess I should have said IMO, the correct color for a '70 Chevelle wheel, etc. We all know the quality control issues we've encountered in the past with any suppliers of OEM parts. So it's entirely possible some wheels were black. I just know mine and most of the Chevelle, Camaro and Nova wheels I've seen were charcoal. Sorry if I came off as too negative.
Ratpack,
The wheels in question had a lot of surface rust and probably had the ford stamp. It was just too dirty and rusty to see. I'll definitely be alert the next time.
Dennis

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

11-26-2002, 03:15 PM

Don't worry, your posts are fine - nothing taken out of context, and certainly no offense taken. You guys have seen a lot more wheels in your chevelle research than I have seen in my deuce research. If you guys have consistently seen something different, then I need to go back and do some more research!

I had spoken with a couple of guys in the Nova club, and one guy in Florida who is a wheel 'expert', so I'll have to call them back up. I initially called them because I thought there might be a paint difference between wheels sold directly to GM vs wheels sold OTC. You know, one painted per GM spec's, vs the OTC wheel painted a universal color like black, but both stamped the same application code due to wheel size, bolt pattern etc... What I found out from my phone calls was that AO wheels were black whether they were GM ordered or OTC. However, I'll have to go back and check on that some more. Maybe they came both, maybe there was a mid-year change, could be a number of factors.

I wonder why they changed the app code from YA to AO? I have never really looked at a YA wheel really close, are there differences between the YA and the AO?

Earl;
Vince has some NOS sets of wheels he got from Yenko, does he have them on his Deuce? And are they black or charcoal?

Rat_Pack

11-26-2002, 03:19 PM

Joe C. and Marlin, this subject has been debated for years but the Chevelle, Camaro, and Nova SS wheels were supposed to be Argent Silver with Charcoal inserts. There were some wheels that were painted incorrectly and that is because the Oldsmoble Rally I wheel was the exact same wheel that was chrome plated with black inserts. Years ago I had talked with a guy that worked at Kelsey Hayes about this and he told me that they were running behind on getting the wheels chromed for Oldsmobiles and they actually painted some of the the Chevrolet wheels with black inserts. As far as he knew none of them ended up on the Chevrolet line but they could have. This is why there are some of these SS wheels with the black inserts. I agree with <font color="red"> SS427 </font color> that they are supposed to have charcoal inserts if they are on Chevelle and I will say even on a Camaro. Marlin you know the Deuces better than anyone so they may have been different. Now the black does look better on some cars as I have painted them wrong in the past because of that. I suspect this debate will go on for years /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif ...................RatPack........................ ....

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

11-26-2002, 03:22 PM

RatPack;
That's interesting, and supports what we have found. I will do some more digging, and will try to visit my favorite reference car over the winter - he's tough though /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

SS427

11-26-2002, 03:41 PM

Marlin, with regards to the wheels being purchased direct from KH/M, that certainly could play a role in the color as it would be safe to assume that KH/M would not have to follow the specifications since they were not selling them to Chevrolet directly. In some cases, a manufacturer must actually make a change to a product if it is in fact being sold by cirumventing the distributor (Chevrolet,so to speak). That would be the only reason that comes to mind for changing the color as I can't believe KH/M would go the extra step to change the line. The debate just makes for interesting conversation. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

I too do not know the reason for the wheel code change as I have never found the difference in the wheel.

As far as Vince having NOS wheels to look at, you can bank on it. As far as Vince letting anyone look at those wheels, don't bank on that one. Earl, Jim?????? I know I haven't been able to and I have been within 2 feet of them! /ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif

CamarosRus

11-26-2002, 06:46 PM

Please allow me to remind everyone that is researching wheels that I still need 1970 CL coded 14x7 Super Sport Camaro or Nova wheels......as well as 15x7 Z-28 wheels and trim and 14x7 1970-4 Ralleys and trim....Thanks for the interruption.....Chuck/Seattle

ORIGLS6

11-26-2002, 10:21 PM

Marlin,
I'd be interested in hearing your findings also. I certainly don't claim to be an expert by any definition but do respect your knowledge of the subject. I think it's quite possible the wheels were black for the Yenko cars. I'll keep my eyes, ears, and mind open.
Thanks,
Dennis

Mr70

11-26-2002, 10:27 PM

If your not an expert,how did you get 5 stars next to your name. /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

ORIGLS6

11-27-2002, 02:15 AM

Beats me! Maybe the same way that envelope appeared on my dash.....MAGIC!
#386, right?

hvychev

11-27-2002, 03:08 AM

Im no kiss a@@, but I think he has earned his 5 star rating!!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Mr70

11-27-2002, 01:24 PM

You almost caught me.I was doing this while you were opening up the rear door of the trailer here. Yes thats the correct Address.I wish you wouldn't send that back,but If you must,I understand.I also gave you your stars based on how Genuine and knowledgeable you are after meeting you last week.You are a cut above the rest Dennis C.Thank You again.

ORIGLS6

11-27-2002, 05:16 PM

Wow, I am slipping. I was beginning to think you'd turned my own son against me! Rick, I don't do this stuff for money. Hell, I've lost half a fortune this past year because of this car. Money doesn't mean squat!
The information coming from this site and the time I've spent with people like you, Rick N., Dean, Bob, Chad, Dennis H., Ken Boje, Ray M., Frank, Bill P., Tommy K., Joe and Brian, Gary H., Charley, The irreverant Mr. Barnhart, Cap't Carl, etc., etc.....that's priceless! Any little thing I can do to pay back the kindness and show my gratitude, I'll gladly do. Yes, it's headed your way.
Frank, I tried to get back over to your car. Almost got there once but my motor mouth engaged again on the way and I was stuck for another hour. The only way I'll ever get around to see everything and everyone I want to is to have these shows last for more than a couple of days. If I missed anyone, I sincerely apologize. I have a ball talking to all of you and hope it continues for years!!!!!

SS427

11-27-2002, 05:24 PM

Any little thing I can do to pay back the kindness and show my gratitude, I'll gladly do. Yes, it's headed your way.
"your way" meaning my way right??????.......right??????? /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif
You said I could have it for a while. You did, you did!

Seriously Dennis, I haven't met someone like you in a long time. A serious, give the shirt off your back type of guy. Without your kindness, I would have had no signage or business cards or shirt for the show. I just wish I could catch up on the favors you've done. That's one thing about this hobby, it really brings out the friendships. You need to get Joel in here talking so we can break him in right. /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

By the way, when I showed my wife the clock, she said, "that's way better than the one I got you, I love it!" You da man!
Rick