LS6 Convertible [Archive] - The Supercar Registry

Bob Jenkins

08-06-2002, 02:07 AM

Check his updated add....he has made reference to this forum
sort of.

quote "You "supercar" and musclecar expert chatters didnt really believe this car was built in january 1969,did you...That would make it a 1969 production car[but you chose to yell fake first and not get your info correct]......Based on the 2 page listing of all the other date codes in the auction you couldnt figure out it was a typo?????????????????now i really am questioning your intelligence...Rick i guess all those guys buying yenko tachs have clones since the tach didnt come with the car since new????????????????Or are they all your friends??"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1847609278

hvychev

08-06-2002, 02:18 AM

WOW! /ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif

Souperhigh

08-06-2002, 03:25 AM

You have to remember that the guy has 3 neutral and 5 Negative Feedbacks!!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

Charley Lillard

08-06-2002, 05:14 AM

If you are going to mention 3 neutral and 5 negative you should also include the 535 positives. That is alot of positives.

tom406

08-07-2002, 05:17 AM

I agree with Charley. 1% negative reaction isn't something I'd get too excited about. It almost has to be expected on over 500 transactions. There's always a few people who can't be pleased, or come into the deal unhappy and just want to share it with you.

Stefano

08-07-2002, 05:50 AM

I would tend to strongly agree with Tom and Charley on the feed back issue,just based on the numbers. I don't know the car or the individual, but I would like to see a copy of the early build sheet.

His ebay offer to get a copy of the build sheet for $100.00 is not bad. I am just too cheap to go the whole hunskie.

I am good for $10.00, now I just need 9 others with $10.00 to join in /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

COPO

08-07-2002, 10:49 AM

I've heard of this car in the past, I would tend to believe it's the real deal. I have kept track of most of the LS-6 conv. in a registry for a number of years and have a number of buildsheets. I would like to get a copy of the buildsheet too, the owner had refused in the past out of concerns someone would use his buildsheet for unauthorized purposes??? I never understood that. Put me in for $10 as well. Eight more to go.....

SS427

08-07-2002, 11:59 AM

In! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

mc25t190

08-07-2002, 12:33 PM

sometimes we are too quick to judge, maybe a mistake was made. i guess everyone should give the benefit of the doubt, well maybe. i hope that if everything is correct we didn't spoil it for the guy. anyone that steps forward to buy the car will certainly find out.

Jeff H

08-07-2002, 12:46 PM

I don't think it's as much an issue of whether the car is legit or not, but his description in the auction was deceiving the way he said the block was decked and never mentioned that it was not the original engine. That casts doubt over the individual to begin with. All he needed was "NOM" and his ad would have been on the money. As for the feedback, if the 5 negatives were for bogus $100K cars and the 500 positives were for $.01 pencils, then I don't think I would consider that useful information. I don't know this individual so I can't comment, but I'm getting a negative impression and that is enough to prevent someone from dealing with you. That's my take on it.

Stefano

08-07-2002, 04:42 PM

Only seven more needed /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

jbsides

08-07-2002, 11:51 PM

I'm in.

JB

L78Impala

08-08-2002, 03:28 AM

Nothin like ten bucks to help a friend. I'm in. /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

69rsss350

08-08-2002, 03:54 AM

Ok, the way I have it figured is you only need 50.00 more. I'm in for the fifty but when all is said and done, I get to keep it. Let's roll!

Stefano

08-08-2002, 04:11 AM

Ok, send the money, I'll make the offer, Our $100.00 to his $10,000.00. It is only for a copy, so we all get one.

69rsss350

08-08-2002, 04:22 AM

Auction has ended. Seller ended auction early due to an error in listing.
Reaction!!!!!

jbsides

08-08-2002, 11:53 PM

Think he'll still go for it? Stefano, do you take PayPal? I'll zip you the $5 right away...

JB

redeuce

08-10-2002, 03:42 AM

OK-Timeout! Again your imaginations are running amuck. Before we chop this car and guy up, HERE'S THE REAL STORY ON THE CAR. I DO MY HOMEWORK.
This car was originally sold at Bob Fram(spelling?) Chevrolet in Spring Harbor, Michigan. It was LEASED to a customer who blew it up after approximately 5,000 miles. It was picked up by Art Moen Chevrolet in Jackson, Michigan. They installed a factory replacement block. It was then purchased by a gentleman and his partner. There is a good reason for the low mileage(which is also legit). The car spent most of it's life drag racing. The car was raced at Indy, Milan, Norwalk, Moroso(for years here), etc. In it's racing form in the 90's the car was black, black convertible top, gold stripes. The car was parked in this color scheme with a 427 race motor in it. It was then sold by one partner to the gentleman that has it on Ebay. I am told if he left the original windshield in it, there is a stone chip that a dragster threw up at it while in line at the strip. So in conclusion-YES, it is a real LS6 convertible- YES, the build sheet is real- YES, it is now the right color- YES,it is a correct but not numbers matching engine- and YES, the car probably has the most interesting history as any of the 23,24,25,26 or whatever you believe exist. I did not obtain this information from the Ebay seller. This information came from the "horse's mouth". If anyone has any more questions on the car or history, I will furnish you with a name and number.

Stefano

08-10-2002, 04:21 AM

What we would like to see is a copy of the build sheet.

redeuce

08-10-2002, 04:38 AM

That I can't help you with at this time. However, I received a call from Michigan from someone involved in the car before the current owner and they gave me the history. I just want to satisfy any speculation as to the authenticity of the car. I guess it is entirely up to the current owner as to availability of the build sheet. I looked at the posts on the Chevelle site and they were starting to imply that the car is a fake. It is not.

mc25t190

08-12-2002, 04:11 AM

the good news is that someone is telling the truth, we all want to believe that it is what it is suppose to be! that's fantastic if its real!

redeuce

08-12-2002, 02:27 PM

mc-
I agree. We have all heard the stories of the rare old car stashed away for years that everybody forgot about. That is literally the case here. I have spoken to the previous owner, his best friend, and the current owner. I can assure you that the car is what it is. I even uncovered more interesting facts about the car. I'm confused about the criticism for buying parts on Ebay also. I'm guilty of the same offense. I didn't think it made a difference if you bought a correct part via mail or if you went there in person to pick it up.

yountto

08-13-2002, 01:35 PM

I would like to thank all of the individuals who thrashed my car on this site.Because of it,i got to talk to 2 individuals who gave me much more information and history on the car than i ever received from the prior owner.I would like to again thank Randy and Norm for getting involved,I truly owe them alot[A LEASED ls6 convertible!!!!WOW..Hope to meet both of you some day.. For you others i see you could only muster up 85.00 between 9 of you,tell you what ill pitch in the 15.00 you cant seem to collect and put up my 10000.00 also[NO you dont get a copy for your collections,you get to view it in person and if its fake you get the 10000.00] ....Doesnt seem like such a good bet anymore,huh??

Jeff H

08-13-2002, 06:56 PM

So the fact that people questioned the car and it's originality led to more history on the car. That's great, the more rare muscle cars we can document the better, but why the negative response? I would be greatful to learn more about my car. Your Chevelle is obviously a meticulously(sp?) restored, correct LS6 convertible. The people that have been researching and following these cars for years are trying to build their knowledge base so why not help out and join in. The more documentation put together on LS6 convertibles will only enhance their value further. A perfect example is my LA built JL8 Camaro had some subtle differences in the brake light warning switch from a Norwood built JL8 Camaro. We could argue over one being correct and the other being wrong, but they are both being restored by the same person so he knows what he found. If you have the earliest built LS6 conv, then that will add tremendously to the research.

Stefano

08-13-2002, 10:23 PM

I reread the thread and didn't see anything as "thrashing" to your car. I didn't want to waste your time and e-mail you as I was not interested in purchasing your Chevelle.

I was however interested in seeing what I consider to be a very early and rare build sheet.

I can assure you that some, if not all of the members who responded can afford the ten bucks, maybe even the whole hunsky.

While we were serious about seeing the build sheet, we were having some fun with the method /ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

It is OK to have fun isn't it?

The last time I checked this is America and just as you are free not to respond to any questions or requests, we are certainly free to ask!

So why did the auction end early, did the car sell?

BTW, welcome.

69rsss350

08-14-2002, 12:13 AM

I too, am curious as to why the auction ended early. Is the car still for sale?

69rsss350

08-14-2002, 12:32 AM

One other thing, I feel the need to mention is the fact that if you truly are interested in getting the kind of money you are asking for your car, someone that is a member of this site could be your best bet as a buyer. I recommend that you get to know us, not criticize us and see what happens. I think you will find that these guys are a fiendly, helpful and informative bunch. Good luck in your dealings with your special car. /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Kurt S

08-14-2002, 04:03 AM

I'm with Stefano on this one. I normally keep out of this type of post, but I didn't see any trashing of the car, just some questions being asked (is it real, what about that build date, etc).

bpls6

08-14-2002, 08:23 AM

As a new member to the registry,the guys (i consider friends)are invaluable with the knowledge that they bring to this (stoning /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif just kidding) hobbie. My responce to this thread, would be that everyone came away with more than they brought and that if you stand on the highist stool in the room, you will be noticed. /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif

yountto

08-14-2002, 09:08 PM

Ok Then If you guys want to help maybe you can do this..here is a copy of a remark made by someone who is from some other affiliate,im SURE some of you guys know him...ask him if he has the guts to put up 10000 against the title of my car that the buildsheet is real as he clearly makes reference to doing..i am willing to go for it,so BRING IT ON ,hope hes not a coward...this should end any speculation should he come forward or will he choose to choke on his words and spin this around to save his face and his 10000..well see who "shuts up who"......From: Franklinville, NJ 08322
Registered: Nov 2000
posted 08-08-2002 06:24 PM
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I have a better idea. If he thinks he is so correct, screw the 10 grand, put up the title for the car . I bet 10 grand that says he won't do that. That's how you shut guys like that up.
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Tom Rightler
MCC # 497
Team Chevelle # 978
70 Chevelle SS
Maryland Chevelle Club

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

08-14-2002, 09:33 PM

I too have re-read this entire post, and can't find any thrashing about you or your car. If you have taken offense to the statements from the Team Chevelle post, then it might be best to take it up on that board. I don't follow any other boards, so if you have already addressed this with the Team Chevelle guys, then disregard my suggestion.

This site is devoted to 'SuperCars', and although an LS6 rag is a rare and desirable musclecar, it doesn't really fit into the scope of this particular site and board. These types of topics arise here because some SuperCar owners also have LS6/LS6 rag cars, but we can't be held responsible for the comments of someone from another 'affiliate'.

Welcome, and best of luck with the car.
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yountto

08-14-2002, 09:38 PM

I also would propose making two 5000.00 checks out to a charitable organization and myself as i dont wish to profit entirely from this nonsense....Im sure this self proclaimed "Big shot" is looking to "save face" as my japanese friend would say and wiggle out of the proposal,so i guess this is all moot anyway,if not some lucky charity is going to send a big"thank you" ....... And for your trouble,If you guys are successful in collecting the money,i will then forward a copy of the buildsheet to anyone in the free world that would like to see it..No questions asked

69rsss350

08-15-2002, 12:03 AM

YenkoDeuceRegistry, I guess i didn't realize that this site was so narrow minded that you only want posts from "SuperCar" owners. I have gotten some very useful and helpful info on this site but if that is the way you want to run your site then let me know 'cause I know how to say goodbye if "average" guys like myself are not welcome. You can email me privately if you like. Seems like I have noted some haughtiness recently from you.

jon rand

08-15-2002, 12:50 AM

WHAT!

Yenko Bart

08-15-2002, 12:56 AM

I DON'T GET IT. /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif

sixtiesmuscle

08-15-2002, 01:00 AM

Yep, here we go again with a "newbie" tellin' us how to behave on the site. Hey, I've read all your posts, and, we certainly appreciate your wealth of knowledge as a dealer, but, this is not your "average" group of guys. Maybe you should think again before coming down on one of the premier contributors to this exceptional site.

69rsss350

08-15-2002, 01:08 AM

I didn't "come down" on anybody. If you read my post on 70 Nova in my next door neighbor's garage, he basiclly told me to take it somewhere else and now in one breadth tells Yountto to take his posts elsewhere and then welcomes him in the next. I am not a basher, far from it, I try to give and receive useful info but also don't need the "my car is better than yours so take your info elsewhere bs." I sincerely don't want to offend anyone so please don't take it that way and try to see both sides of the coin. Thanks.

sixtiesmuscle

08-15-2002, 01:47 AM

I think if you stick around and come to know most of the members better, you'll find that, on the whole, we are LESS "my car is better than yours" kind of guys. In fact, I find local shows, with "average" cars the worst for that kind of mentality.
Marlin was merely pointing out that sometimes people will find better "experts" on their kind of car on another site. We recognize that this site is dedicated to furthering info on "Supercars" as defined by this site. With that comes the recognition that all the answers for ALL cars are not available here. Just my $.02

shor

08-15-2002, 02:03 AM

69rs, Marlin said this site was devoted to supercars.
your quote......."I guess i didn't realize that this site was so narrow minded that you only want posts from "SuperCar" owners"......is without cause. Are you mad at Marlin because he recommended a Nova site for you to visit in a previous post? I think it was nice of Marlin to copy and paste that for you. I spent about a half hour at that site the other day and even put it into my favorites box on my computer.

Charley Lillard

08-15-2002, 02:50 AM

Younto..You have a neat car that I wish I owned. You have posted the name of Tom Rightler as the guy talking trash from the Chevelle site. I see where you have bitched about him here but I can't see in the Chevelle site thread where you have bitched about him. He might not even visit this site. I think I would respond to his comments on the Chevelle site. Now can I have your car really cheap ?
69rsss...Take one chill pill and call back in the morning.

69rsss350

08-15-2002, 03:49 AM

I understand the purpose of this site. Is it the sole purpose? If so, and it is not to further the hobby and to provide info to those less knowledgeable than that is fine and I understand that and have no problem with it. Unfortunately, you can not always get an accurate reflection of a post from typing and reading that you can from a normal conversation, where tone of voice, inflection and even volume can indicate the other's intention of statements made. Look guys, I'm not hot and don't need a chill pill. I don't know Yountto and was even one of the ones asking for more info on his car. I enjoy this site and have gotten info I may/may not have been able to find elsewhere and I appreciate it. Shor, if you noticed, I thanked YDR for the info on the Nova website that I didn't realize existed until he said that the post "needs" to be moved there or, as I took it meant, "doesn't belong here." Well, maybe it didn't belong here but by the same token, who was it bothering? If this is to be an exclusive site for "supercar" only posts then state that in the registration and it will probably cure the problem, or maybe you don't need a site and you can all just email each other. Either way, I meant no animosity, although I am feeling some in return.

redeuce

08-15-2002, 04:29 AM

Gentlemen- Since I have joined this site, I have seen the history of two valuable LS6 cars cleared up via the discussion on this board.( The convertible and the Mystery LS6). To me that is a victory for the hobby and all involved. Although discussions at times were heated, the end result was a clarification and validation of both vehicles. I agree that both discussions should have taken place on the Chevelle site, but the posts surfaced here. Also, I'm sure those on this board that are members of both have already alerted the Chevelle boys as to what's going on. I also agree that people like me don't belong here, because I don't own a supercar. I would therefore like to thank the site for allowing us to continue the discussions freely without locking the threads. My only intention here was to clarify the background on the two cars. I have had a fair amount of experience with the supercars, but would never pose as an equal regarding information with the members of this site. An additional bonus for me from reading the posts is that Charley Lillard, in addition to being a great car guy, has quite a pleasant sense of humor.

Randy

copolocater

08-15-2002, 04:46 AM

69rsss350 you seem to have a dilema and I would like to help.My family has been around the car business for a long time. You meet all kinds of people.People that know me know that I will give you the shirt off of my back,but make me mad and I'll shut you off.I've learned sometimes that is not always a wise decision.I've burned bridges with some people on this sight because I didn't like their attitude.I wanted to get away from this supercar deal altogether. But after being away awhile I missed alot of the people I did get along with.Ilearned you have to accept people the way they are not the way you want them to be.This site needs as much positive input as it can get,from everybody!!!Whether you own a super car or not I would like to hear anybody's positive input.Knowone ever knows when you might be the guy that locates a car or a part or info someone desperatly needs.So hang in there like my dad always says let it roll off your shoulder.P.S I still get po'd.Remember guys /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Stefano

08-15-2002, 05:33 AM

Ownership of a Super Car is not,nor ever has been a prerequsite to membership and interaction on this Site, but the appreciation and passion for them should be.

All cars are even invited to participate at the Reunion.

Charley Lillard

08-15-2002, 06:07 AM

I think that Redeuce is now my Favorite Guy on this site and can stay even though he has no Supercar. Actually, I don't think ownership is a requirement. You just gotta like these cars. Copolocater..Can you wear a nice soft extra large shirt to the Reunion that I can use to wipe off my cars with ?

copolocater

08-15-2002, 06:22 AM

Ya I think I can. You haven't made me mad yet!!!

JChlupsa

08-15-2002, 08:33 AM

Charley, I can send an Grass skirt for him if you like:)

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

08-15-2002, 01:13 PM

Holy Cow!!
What are you talking about 69rsss?? I merely offered another board that deals with your specific topics on a daily basis, and those members have more experience in switching to 400 sb's etc... It had NOTHING to do with any requirements of owning a supercar. Personally, I like to hear topics about supercars, from anyone with a keyboard, so I come here. If I wanted to hear about LS6 cars, I would go to the Chevelle site, Z28's? I'd go to the Camaro site - simple as that. That LS6 Rag saga just didn't belong here when there is a perfectly good forum on Team Chevelle. There is no reason to move or shutdown a topic like that, but when the instigator for that topic turned out to be from another site, then I think the debate has to switch over there.

I believe this site and it's members will help anyone who asks, regardless of what they own. That is how cars get found, and the hobby stays exciting. Most of us realize that in order to help, you need information. When we ask for info/supply info, it is not because we want to take advantage of people, but rather to compare with other pieces of info and learn something new. That is exactly how we figured out the blocks of body numbers, colors, & option groupings for the '70 COPO Novas - about 40 guys gave me their car's info, all for a good cause. We all get frustrated at times with the various people in the hobby, but like another member put it, 'I take it seriously, but not personally'. Wise perspective from someone who has been into this a lot longer than I /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

NOCOPO

08-15-2002, 01:48 PM

OK My $.02. I have not been a member very long. I do not own a supercar, as my name states,(far from it) But some day, I hope, with the information from this site, I will have the knowledge to purchase one. All the posts that I have resopnded to have been meet with nothing but courtsey and interest in helping. I guess you can't please all of the people all of the time. /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

copolocater

08-15-2002, 02:00 PM

To who it may concern:I am nobody,now that we have that understood,I looked in my personal important phonebook your # wasn't there.I don't remember running up to you and introducing myself at a show ,just to listen to you speak on the knowledge of supercars and hang on every word.I don't even know what you look like. I think that makes us more alike than you thought .Have a nice day.