COPO Camaro block VIN stamp

[William]

No it doesn't but it does raise questions about the integrity of the owner. Might make one wonder what else was fudged. The ONLY reason people re-stamp engines is to create the impression of originality. And everyone believes OE engine cars are also more valuable...

Brings to mind the funny/embarassing incident at last years Supercar show.

We did a ZL1 many years ago; the replacement bare block sat untouched for months. Re-stamping it was never considered.

[William]

It's been my belief that the partial VIN stamp on an MN or MO block would be at the oil filter location. This weekend at SC-Joliet there was a car presenting as a COPO, 05E build with the VIN stamp on top. Now I've heard of another at the RM auction this weekend in MI. This is an 07A car with a January engine, stamped on top.

I've never seen one known to be gennie stamped like that. VIN stamp has always been by the filter including the T0123MN block I saw this March.

What is the general consensus?

[Stefano]

William,
I have never seen a documented /verified 1969 COPO Camaro with the vin on the pad either.

What is the position of the GRG crew.

How about some more info on the two COPOs you mentioned for those of us who couldn't attend.

[William]

The CRG is debating this; I do not believe they were stamped on top. But I've only seen a few dozen.

I did not see the RM car but did see the orange COPO? both at Indy and Joliet. At both shows it was in the "Diamond" area. The orange rear wheel wells indicate it is something other than factory-correct resto.

I understand the COPO at the RM auction sold for $72k.

[Mr70]

It was in the "GOLD" class.

[Kurt S]

One correction: The VIN on the RM car was by the oil filter. I crawled under to see it. The VIN on the trans was stamped partly on the trans code.
Very nice car, fathom green. 07A with a T0123MN block! and POP.

I agree with Bill, never seen any 'real' 69 built after Jan with a VIN on the pad.

Kurt

[Stefano]

Just because a block may have been restamped incorrectly doesn't mean that the COPO itself is not the genuine atricle.

[Stefano]

The Hugger COPO is vin N651505 NOR340412 O5E X44. Is the Camaro registered with the site?

[Norm reynolds]

I know that this is off the beaten path but when did GM put the partal vin and engine code on top
I have a friend that has a 66 vette 327/350
he had it redone a flew years ago I could not find any numbers by the oil filter only up top right side by the heads
he is the original owner and tells me he got the car in late june of 66 but when I did the engine code it comes in as jan of 66 he allso said that the guy that did the car was doing two other vette at the same time and he thinks he has the worng parts When I drove it hard if felt more like a 300 hp than a 350hp The numbers realy look like a restamp of the vin
but I did not have the heart to say any thing
Norm

[COPO]

The VIN on the top front pad would be correct for this vette.

[Norm reynolds]

Thanks copo that make me feal better That is why I did not say any thing to him He is a good friend and did not what to stir things up thanks agan Norm

[Stefano]

There is a Hugger COPO in the latest Super Chevy. Radio and Heater Delete is this the same Camaro?

[bkhpah]

They forgot to put the CAMARO scripts on the front fenders of the SC COPO! ..BKH

[Leonard]

There was a hugger orange Copo in the gold class at Super Chevy at National Trails Raceway in Kirkersville(outside of Columbus)Ohio last weekend. Could this be the car you are discussing? SWEET, shinny new trim tag. Talked to the owner just a few minutes. Big guy, 6'6 maybe. He said the car was in pieces when he got it. To me, the trim tag looked to be repo. I brought that to his attention and his reply was that he had it replaced because the original was damaged but all the info was correct on the tag.

[hvychev]

This may have been the same guy that I talked to at SC Joliet IL. Also a Gold Class Hugger Orange COPO. Did the car have orange wheel wells? If it was the same car the trim tag had no paint on it at all. I took several pictures of this car. The guy was big and said that he was from Louisiana. When I asked him if he was a member of this site he said NO! and walked away from me. Just like that. This world and hobby is to small for rudeness. /ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif

[Stefano]

The Hugger Camaro in Super Chevy seems to have Orange painted wheel wells. Is the car data based in the Super Car Registry?

[Leonard]

Yes, i think this is the same guy. Wore a large brim hat. I think the rear inner fenders were painted. Did you noticed the curved neck radiator? It looked to me that he added the curved neck to the standard neck! It was sticking way out past the shroud. Tried to view the NC8 plate , could not see it without crawling up under the vehical.The exhaust hangers on the car were aftermarket that were mounted on the outside of the frame rails, Like i said, my conversation was breif with the owner. The trim tag looked repo and he confirmed it after telling him why i seen it as such.I did not want to upset the guy, I played it as he got taken by the previous owner on a repo tag. I seen all the stampings all in perfect line with the same depth ( complete tag stamped at once) GM did not do this. On a real tag, ST ,NOR, BDY, TR,PNT.look to have a deeper punch than the other #. The 12437 and fisher body # do not line up evenly on the tag with ST, NOR, BDY. Shows that a gm trim tag went through 2 diff. stamping process. It could be a real copo, Im not saying its fake. Maybe all the info is correct on the repo tag. He said it was....

[hvychev]

If I am not mistaking this car is the one that is featured in the Dec 02 issue of Super Chevy. I actually have to look at the mag tonight. My father called me and said that he thinks that this is the one.

Sorry I just reread the post! I think this was already mentioned.