even another COPO on ebay!

[TwoBryans]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1863352558

[COPO]

No VIN, no body #, no drivetrain #'s, no mention of documentation, but lots of pics. /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif

[TwoBryans]

You are exactly right! with the claim of being a double copo, i thought there would be at least some info to be able to authenticate the car. i would love to look at it, but i am in virginia and that car is in nevada and that won't work very well. i just thought i'd post it here when i found the ad. are there any board members in nevada that know anything about this car or anyone that can offer any insight into this car?

[bilede]

This copo has been for sale for some time on one of the classified sites for $46k. The owner belongs to a group called Reno musclecars.
http://www.renomusclecars.com/features/cars/sumoct00.htm

[Charley Lillard]

It looks like one I saw in Reno a couple years ago. It was a LA built car and on the top of the firewall on pass side was the remains of the vacumn valve bracketfor a AC car that goes under the cowl panel.. In the pics I can almost see the bracket in the pics.

[copolocater]

YES it is real!! Real red

[Stefano]

Tim,
Are you saying that this would be the first documented and verified Van Nuys built COPO Camaro?

[copolocater]

No just saying ITS REALLY RED !!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif No confirmation on it being a real copo.

[Stefano]

Oh I get it now, that went right over my head /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif The only Red/Red L72 real COPO that I know of is Floyd's 'Red427' in Florida.

[robber6910]

Here is the info this guy supplied on the car:

COWL TAG INFO:
ST 69 12437 VN282801 BDY
TR 711 52 52 PNT
O3A C463

VIN: 12437L526228

PASSENGER SIDE COWL VENT STAMP INSIDE: 9L526228

REAR AXLE STAMP; BE 0129 G2 E

BLOCK CASTING : 3963512 A299

MOTOR BOSS STAMPS: T0221MO 19L526228

HEADS (BOTH): B199 3919840

INTAKE MANIFOLD: 3933163 1.8.69

THERMOSTAT HOUSING: 38777660

CRANKSHFT PULLEY: 3955291AB

[robber6910]

Were COPO 9561's ever produced in the Van Nuys plant?

[COPO]

No documented car has been found.

[Stefano]

If one is ever found and documented, I for one would be surprised to see it with such an early build date.

[robber6910]

I challenged the guy to come on here and defend himself since he feels we all dont know what we are talking about. I very well doubt it that he'll show up.

[69rsss350]

I got the same numbers in reply to my email. Along with "I don't know the car's history. As I am sure you know the 9561 didn't have the VIN records like the 9560. I am sure you know the interpretation of the date codes." Damn, LA build? Is it possible? /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif

[Kurt S]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB3&Number=15483&page=0&v iew=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1

[69rsss350]

So if Jim Mattison said some LA COPOs were built, it is possible but without any other kind of documentation we are assuming that this car is guilty until proven innocent? I have a mind to make him an offer with inspection, I could use a trip to Nevada anyway.

[Charley Lillard]

Just ask the guy to send a closeup pic of the firewall above the heater box. The area I'm talking about is the top of the firewall. The supposed red COPO that I saw in Reno still had the remains of the plate that attaches a vacumn pot. It is only used on Air conditioned cars and if you remove the plate there would be a hole in the top of the cowl. The car I saw had that plate. That tells me the car was a Air conditioned car at one time. Maybe someone with a better computer than mine can look more closely at the Ebay pics.

[69rsss350]

Thanks, Charlie. I will make that request. I am guessing that this is the same car you have seen. Also, after checking the ebay item again, it looks like he may reach his goal of 46K. With the info you guys have given, I will probably just wait and see if it sells or not before proceeding, seems prudent at this time. Thanks! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[JChlupsa]

Being an LA built car and since there has been none to date being found why coulndt one have been ordered with AC. ESP being in Calif!! But then if it were to have been and the AC is gone down with the price

[robber6910]

COPO's were not built with AC because they were supposed to be HIPO cars. AC would cause dramatic decrease in HP thus making it just another ordinary show car.

[robber6910]

It sounds like whoever has got the high bid on this car, could possibly be a dealer. Looking at all the feedback history, he is the seller in most situations. Most of the comments read great car, beautiful car, etc.

[robber6910]

I challenged guy to come on here and go up against the experts and this was his response:

Subj: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1863352558
Date: 9/24/2002 11:00:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Great site for Yenco's!!!

[JoeC]

Like any used car that you buy, you have to do your homework and check it out as much as you can. I would look real close at the speedo to see if it is a repop. The COPO BE rear has different internal parts then a normal 12 bolt so I would check that also. There has been one documented COPO Chevelle found that was built in Cali but don't know of any documented COPO Camaro from Cali

[copolocater]

OK now that we have the correct pieces,parts ,colors,tires, wheels,interior like alot of other clones do lets see some documentation.ANYTHING.LET THE VENDORS BUY ALL THE CLONES.LEAVE THE GOOD BUYING TO US.

[Stefano]

GM also didn't want to handle all the warranty claims from guys spinning the A/C compressors to 7,000 or 8,000 rpm. /ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

[TimG]

They were incompatible options, GM did not like to install AC on solid lifter cars. They did on the 365 horse 64 and 65 Corvette and again with the 72 LT1 engine. The LT1 had a reduced red line to prevent damage to the AC compressor.
A high reving big block would tear one of these compressors up.

[Nova Research Project]

Charley,

I like a good mystery. Until someone gets the better pic look at this one. I believe it does have the AC plenum valve plate. Greg

[69rsss350]

Hey, my car looks just like the "what it should look like" pic. Does that mean it is a COPO? /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Very good Chevy114270.....

[Unreal]

Mine looks like "COPO in question" as mine IS a clone with factory A/C.

[Tommy_Mathison]

whats with the shade of red?? dosnt look like garnet red to me. maybe a special paint car?

[robber6910]

Paint looks like Dodge Viper red.

[Tommy_Mathison]

i was thinking monza red from the 69 vette

[robber6910]

How's about fire engine red? Any takers lol?