ZL1 #4 update

[William]

The good news is that we have learned some of the history of ZL1 #4 from its original owner. After Fred Gibb returned it to Norwood, Hauser Chev acquired it. Evidently they couldn't sell it either so it became an East Coast NHRA racecar for the 1970 season. It was cleaned up, repainted and finally sold as a new/used car with a 396/402 early in 1971. It left PA for TX went to AZ, ID, finally WI. It was restored in 1989 with a correct engine. Basically it hasn't been outside since.

The bad news is that perhaps my assertion was incorrect. The alleged money-grubbing middleman called with his version of events. He stated he would have been happy to make the connection gratis had the owner called him. I had passed the info on to the current owner, an individual with serious responsibilities who cannot be bothered with trivial phone calls. For whatever reason, he did not call middleman.

At no time was payment requested. However middleman sat on the info at that point, despite repeated contact from the original owner. This created the impression that there was some element missing

For 4 months nobody connected until the he saw my post here and contacted me directly

The original owner has a wealth of info. He has sent vintage photos (too big..) of the car when Hauser raced it in PA, sponsored by Sabatine's speed shop.

[Chevy454]

Sounds like a good score! I'm glad things finally seem to be working out.

By the way, I started to holler at you the other day...how far are you from Crivitz,WI?

[William]

It's around 150 miles due north of here. Something hiding there???

[Charley Lillard]

"an individual with serious responsibilities who cannot be bothered with trivial phone calls." What, is he the Pope ?

[Seattle Sam]

Must be "43". He is pretty busy with the UN these days! /ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif
-Sam

[Chevy454]

William:

Unfortunately the trip was work related, so it was an up and back kind of thing. But, I do need to get back up that way... /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[Jeff H]

So the current owner doesn't care to speak to the original owner and get accurate information on the car? Boy, that could hurt the value of the car in the future. /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[copolocater]

Have you talked to a guy named Dan?He called me about a year ago and it sounds like the same info he gave me.He also sent me copies of the adds.If it isn't the same guy this guy has been researching Hauser for a while.

[Jeff H]

Dan's the one that did all the research and found the Hauser ads. I know he was never interested in any monetary gain for the work he did.

[copolocater]

Your right Jeff I wasn't charged. /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif Have the adds been posted ?If not I'll post them he doesn't care.

[Ed Cunneen]

Dan did a significant amount of research on the Hauser ZL-1 Camaros. I applaud him for that. I tried to assist him in the search, but had run into a dead end on which silver automatic ZL-1 Hauser had. All cars had been ruled out but the #4 car, but I had no proof that this was indeed the Hauser ZL-1. I mention this because Dan is not the person referred to by William. I am.
Several month's into Dan's research, a person contacted me after seeing my web site, and stated he was the original owner of the #4 ZL-1. It had been purchased from Hauser. He wanted to contact the current owner.
I do not give out contact information for owners, and usually ask owners to reply directly. I was never given any contact information other than the name of the #4 current owner. But I knew that William had worked on the owner's ZL-1 and had his contact information.
I asked William to forward my number to the current owner, explaining I had found the original owner of the #4 car, but after waiting did not receive a reply. A month later, I called William again, and found that William had the wrong area code for my number. He said he would forward the corrected number to the current owner. At that point, I went on to other things, and felt if the current owner was not interested in contacting me, I would not pursue the issue. As can be seen in the above statements from William, the current owner apparently was not interested.
At no time did I hold out for money. That was a false statement on William's part, which he acknowledged.
I feel I have an obligation to protect the identities of everyone who has entrusted me with their information. I followed the same protocol with any inquiry.
I mentioned it to William and I will mention it here, the time I spend on the phone, in emails, and other research for these cars is a labor of love and the hobby. It is not for money. If I were in it for money, you would see me in a totally different capacity.
I feel that honesty is the only way for me to handle my affairs and my life. I thought people felt this way about me also.
After reading William's statement, I'm not so sure.
Just to set the record straight.

[Belair62]

I for one appreciate that confidentiality too Ed.

Ed, I think I speak for 99.9% of anyone involved in this hobby when I say you are "the grandaddy" of documenting. I have never heard a negative comment regarding you, your family, your ethics, or your documentation fee. You were involved with a passion when most of us did not even know what a yenko, motion, or nickey even was. You divulge the information you have gathered willingly. At the same time you have never claimed to know it all. In fact, I can tell you are excited when something new is learned. I am sure you have thousands of hours of research in this hobby. You have been nothing but a gentleman with class when I have needed your assistance. I would have to say without a doubt you are the "go to guy" when questions or documenting a vehicle is needed. A standard question I ask, or anyone should ask when purchasing a supercar is: did Ed document the car? You should be a proud man for what you have accomplished. I am sure if there was a pioneer award in this hobby, it would be on your shelf. Ed, you need to disregard these negative statements about you, it only reflects someones ignorance.

[copolocater]

Dave you bucken for a free year of verifications you smoosier.I agree and applaud you Ed for standing up and taking the hit.Dan has been forthcoming and gracious with sharing all his Hauser info with me.Part of the info on the cars honestly I would have kept to myself until I could find out more.I've dealt with Ed a few times and have no problem using or recomending Ed for help confirming SUPERCARS.5 STARS /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[Stefano]

Dave,
I have to agree with you 100% on this issue. I can tell you from first hand experience that Ed has an unparalleled passion for our Super Car Hobby. No one has been at it longer or run harder with it than Ed Cuneen.

The hobby has been greatly enhanced by your participation and I for one hope that you choose to continue to participate for a long,long time to come.

You have certainly given back more to the hobby than you can ever expect to take from it.

You and your Family are truly first class.

Signed : "A money Grubbing Middleman"

[alumrat]

THANK YOU WILLIAM ! Gentlemen, I think you are all missing the point. If you truly want to to continue to update info., reunite owners, create history etc. You have to try and make this as quick and painless as possible for both parties. Protecting identities is important but you must leave lines of communication open and active. No one likes to be pestered or ignored. This is how history is lost. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE EVERYONE CAME VERY CLOSE TO LOOSING! I hope we can all learn from our mistakes. Let us go on and enjoy what we learn! Original OWNER # 4 ZL1 Joe G.

[Kurt S]

Anyone notice anything special about this little item?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2448518165

[Mr70]

I Believe that is Williams Silver ZL-1 pictured in the background on the Used Car lot,as he just recently posted a Picture of it in one of these forums.
I read this also on another Website,and Saw that auction too.I have the entire April 1971 Salesmans Communication Kit that Filmstrip came in,and always thought that was someones car in the Background.
I was Glad to see it was someone from here. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Rick

[Kurt S]

Yup, same car being discussed here. Total fluke that I found it. I had happened across it on ebay, noticed the dealer, and sent it onto Bill.

[SamLBInj]

"I feel that honesty is the only way for me to handle my affairs and my life. I thought people felt this way about me also."
Ed, You are a class act. I handle myself in the same manner. Always appreciate your prompt responsivness to my Copo questions.
Sam

[Steve Drueck]

I have known Ed Cunneen for 20 years and he has worked long and hard for the Supercar hobby. Few people have done so much for others and with little compensation. Luckily Ed saved many cars from obscurity or the crusher. I bought my first Yellow Yenko from Ed in 1985 and still have it. Some character was driving it through the Ohio winters with a 283 in it. Ed and his family are top notch, so no bashing on Ed. I just wanted to go on the record with that.

[Stefano]

Steve,
Welcome aboard. Great to see you here.

[ssl78]

Hi Steve, I still remember seeing the yellow Yenko for sale in the trading times and going to look at it with you. Seems like yesterday not almost 20 years ago. I also have been in these cars for a long time not only for the cars but for the people you meet doing it, Ed is a prime example known him for at least 20 years and he always had a love for the cars.

[Steve Drueck]

That is amazing. I wish you had the ad from the Tradin Times still. I still have my bill of sale from Ed. I think that was around the time we cut up the 69 Rs Z28 that was rolled. Tressa was in diapers. Ed was asking $4000 with no takers for weeks. It was nice of him to keep the NOS front clip and other parts, because I had to scrape all the barrels for the $2900. I think we towed it home with your Blazer, which wasn't rusty at that time.........lol...........at least THAT Yenko didn't fall offa the trailer........more lol's..........At the time you could buy a mint 69 Z28 for $2000 so even though it was very expensive, I didn't think I overpaid, just bought it too soon. Thanks again to Ed Cunneen for all the work to locate the missing Supercars!

[ssl78]

Hi Steve, after 20 years you still have that Yenko and check out what I still have from that rolled blk blk RS Z/28. Back then it was a parts car, today it would be a minor resto.