69 Douglass Yenko project FS

[Clint_69]

Sale Pending (If you read this ad call today). My 69 Daytona yellow Jack Douglass Camaro is for sale. Car is rough and is a TOTAL project but I have tons of parts. Car is registered and certified with the COPO connection. Needs total restoration. I have the original block and the original BE rear (no axles but I have the posi carrier and 4:10 ring and pinion). Also I have correct heads, intake, pistons, connecting rods, 4 speed transmission, bell housing, fly wheel, balancer, distibutor, exhaust manifolds etc. Car also comes with full NOS GM quarters, NOS front fenders, NOS extentions, NOS endura bumper, NOS grille, NOS cowl hood NOS spoiler etc. I have all of the metal to complete the body. I have the 140 speedo that is original to the car. Car is a double COPO. Solid floors, solid frame rails, solid rockers and doors. Needs a trunk pan and the rear quarters installed. I will be traveling out of town all week so if you are interested, contact me via email today. If you do not want to send an email, you can call me at 608-329-5426. If you want the body number, cowl tag info or the VIN, please call. I will remove this ad later this evening. I am taking offers at 35K or more. Serious inquires only. I do not have pictures but would encourage you to come and look in person. I live in southern WI about 12 miles from the Illinois border. Thanks.

[Belair62]

Clint I sent you an e-mail. Eric Gardner from Gardner exhaust was looking for a project.Someone should drop him a line.He's probably too busy to poke his nose in here very often.

[Clint_69]

I have a buyer. Thanks to all who were interested. I was a little overwhelmed by the responses.

[shor]

Congratulations Marlin!

[Stefano]

Marlin so your the one who out bid me?

[hvychev]

Marlin would not buy anything with the Douglas name on it!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[copolocater]

Auctioning a car on this site Hmmmm thats a new concept.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Me?
NOT /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif I'm a Nova guy.

Shor, don't be pullin me into this.

[shor]

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[shor]

Who bought the car?

[SS427]

I looked at the car at 10:40 Sunday night but unfortunately did not bring her back home with us. Got home at 5:00 a.m. just as the alarm went off and the wife rolled over and said, "where the HELL have you been!" Yawn /ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Frank;
I just read your post above! I was so surprised that I was rumoured to be the buyer, I missed it earlier.

I would buy a Yenko car from Douglass Chev, they sold some of the X66 cars including one of the Olympic Gold cars. They also sold a D-Yellow X66, F-Green X66 and a R-Green X66 among others. I show them selling 5 Yenko Camaros, but I'm sure there's more, I don't have too much info on the Yenko Camaros.

[shor]

ss427, can you shoot me an email with your #
[email protected]
i was considering the car saturday morning but was told it was sold. were you the potential buyer? I would like to talk to you about this car as it is the twin to mine.
thanks chris

[Stefano]

It is a Vinyl top car, so not quite a twin to yours but the same as 'Sixties Muscle' Douglass*Yenko.

[copolocater]

Sold,not sold,sold, not sold,sold,not sold /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif Is there still bids being accepted?

[Stefano]

Rick said that he didn't bring it home, does that mean he didn't buy it.

[chads454Ls6]

stefano,you would be correct in that assumption!

[Stefano]

Rick,
Was the car not as you expected it to be, or just a change of heart. It does sound like an intense project.

[resto4u]

I have looked at this car this morning. This car is very restorable. Not a basket case by any means. It does need a total restoration. If you need info on this car from someone who knows bodywork, send me an email. The seller is easy to talk with and is being honest. I myself found the car better than what i was expecting. Roger

[Stefano]

Roger,
I certainly didn't mean to imply that Clint had missrepresented anything to anyone (sorry if anyone else took it that way). Restorable and bringing a rare car back to maximum current standards are at two ends of the spectrum. I was just currious as to why Rick Did not purchase the car. Were you looking for curiosity's sake or are you a potential Buyer?

[Mr70]

Stefano
Rick has been away.He will return Tuesday.He had other things to tend to.

[Clint_69]

Thanks Roger. Not taken that way Stefano. I have had several offers in the 20s but nothing has materialized. I have decided to keep the car and restore it. I have received a plethera of feedback on the car and it has been appreciated. I will keep everybody posted on the progress of the restoration. Roger, give me a call Friday night if you are going to Super chevy. I am traveling all week. Thanks guys.

[resto4u]

will give you a call clint.

[chads454Ls6]

Clint, you forgot to mention the car is junk and that the motor and rearend have been restamped,and most of the parts under the hood are wrong!But thats ok, If i got ripped off on a car i dont know if i would run around telling everyone that, but this is the wrong place to try to pull something over on people. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and let you tell people that,you came across as such an honest guy that did not know those things about the car, but after researching your info on this website we have learned you know alot more than you say. I do not like driving 10 hours to look at a car that has been falsly represented over the phone,usually i put people through a wall that do that. but hey, no hard feelings. chad

[copolocater]

Those damn Douglass*Copo Yenkos /ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif

[Clint_69]

You have absolutely no reason to speak that way about me. Anyone who was interested in purchasing this car was encouraged to come and see it as you did. I, at no point, claimed that this car was numbers matching, a nice car or anything even remotely close. As I told you on the phone, it needs everything and that was what you were coming to look at. Any information about this car that I have aquired has been over the last six weeks. Most of the information has come from guys that post on this sight. I absolutely had no knowledge of a restamped rear although I had my suspicions about the block. I have told many people on this sight in off line conversations about my suspicions regarding the block. There were guys willing to wire the money to me which I refused to do. You wasted your time, not me. As for the "putting me through the wall" comment, you know where I live. Take another five hour drive to get your ass whipped. I think that you are a little out of shape to be making those kind of comments Chad. As for your message in general, I do take it personal. It is guys like you that put a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to this hobby. I have owned a "Super Car" for a total of six weeks in which I have very little knowledge about. Your post makes a guy feel right at home Chad. You need to grow up a little. The world of Super Cars is a small one. It is not good to burn bridges. When are you making the trip again??? Better yet, maybe I can have an "expert" come and look at your cars and see what kind of [censored] I can talk! You know where I live and my number.

[Clint_69]

If someone who lives close to me would be willing to come to my house and inspect my 12 bolt, I would be willing to pay them for their time. Out of the people who have looked at the car, only Chad made the comment that it was a restamp. Since Chad had to bring someone with him to inspect my car, I do not think that Chad is even remotely close to being an expert. I am willing to pay someone for their time and will freely post the results on this site.

Rob, where's the new graemlin?! /ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

[shor]

Clint seemed very nice and honest with me in my phone conversations with him. He told me that the block had been decked by a prior rebuild but the vin was still there by the oil filter location. He told me that he didn't think it was the original block based on an early casting date.(jan)
I told him my car's original block is a jan casting, march assembly, and 05 body build date.
Clint's engine is probably original based on that info.
Why would someone go thru the trouble to restamp a vin but not the MN code on the pad? And why use a Jan casting? An uninformed forger would not use such an "early" block against conventional wisdom. Clint also told me that the trans is a 70 or 71 unit. Listen....the car is a full restoration basket case. The value is in the title/vin/tag.
It is a project that will take quite some time and money.

[chads454Ls6]

In your add you say original block,at no time you had said to me you thought it was restamped,you did say is had been decked,and the #s by the oil filter had not been touched and in the same sentence as correct heads,you have correct trans,dist,exhaust manifolds and that is all wrong,one manifold did not even have the smog provisions,and the other was wrong for the car,the distributor # is 1111489 and should be 1111499,nos front fenders does not mean ones with surface rust all over them,nos hood does not mean one with bondo on it.also you did not mention the heads are beyond rebuilding,i brought rick nelson with me because he is much more knowledgeable then me on cars. Yes clint, you did misrepresent this car,anyone can pick up a chevrolet by the #s book to easily assist them in identifying these numbers. You do not have to be an expert on supercars, so dont try to hide the fact that you just bought the car 6 weeks ago,and that is why you do not know these things.

[Stefano]

To clearify, A January casting date for the mentioned Camaro would be Correct per the Douglass Direct order COPOs.

The 12 bolt rear/end casting date and axle tube stamp date, provided to me by Clint are also exactly within the proper sequence.

I can not speak as to whether or not either was restamped.

[JoeC]

A BE should have different internal parts then std. 12 bolt.

[Stefano]

JoeC,
That would be correct. But the number of Original BE rear ends maintaining their original gear sets, carrier, springs, plates and Spider gears, would be very few and far between ,in My opinion. (Just for conversation sake)

[resto4u]

When i looked at the car, body condition was better than i expected. When a person gives a description of a car over the phone, one can get a different idea as to what it will look like in person. There was no claim to me about numbers matching, or original parts. The block was decked and vin# by oil filter. The vin on block appeared to be stamped individual and not gang stamped. As for the rearend stamp, i do not know. This car can be looked at in many ways. This is a rare car with documentation on it's way from Ed. The car is taken apart. If this car was together and painted, you may not know its condition until after starting to restore. Such as drivers door replaced, badly spliced factory rear quarter,passenger side quarter damage and some corrosion in the floors. You could spend more money on a more complete together car and then find it to be in the same condition afer you strip off the slick looking paint job. This car is a major project, not a piece of junk. Chad if everyone had your opinion, there would be very few supercars left. They would all be rusting away in salvage yards. I am sure there are many supercars that have been restored from same or worse condition. This next statement is my opinion, and not to offend anybody. This car could be restored and enjoyed as an investment. By no means is this a car to restore and make a quick profit.

[Clint_69]

At no point did I tell you or anyone else that the numbers by the oil filter had been left alone as to lead anyone to think that they are original. I did tell people that there were numbers there but could not speak to their originality. I told you that as I did everyone else. I agree that the exhaust manifolds and the distributor are not correct but you were the first person to point that out. There was not any person that I did not tell, that the car had a coat of surface rust on it, not even you. The fenders and hood are easily saveable. They have no deep rust and they are by no means junk. As for the transmission, it is an M21 and I did not hide the fact that it is from 1970 and the heads are 840 heads although the dates are not correct. Not to insult your partner but of course I will get a second opinion on the heads. As for rebuildable, again, your partner was the first person to point out they were not in great condition. I thanked him for pointing that out to me when you were standing in my garage. This site is not designed for me to sit here and justify the condition of all of the parts and to list each part number. I told everybody that the car needed everything. The fact is, that I encouraged each person to look at the car and I am the one who suggested that you look at the car. Dont be bitter because YOU made the choice to drive all night and went home empty handed. I was sincere when I told you that I was sorry that it did not work out for you, you said to me "that is OK, we have driven further for less". You at no time expressed anomosity towards the situation when you were here. We even stood out there and talked cars for 45 minutes, we shook hands and you left. At this point, I plan to keep the car and give it a correct restoration. I plan to consult the members of this site for guideance and education. Chad, if you can channell that information that you have into positive feedback, maybe you can even assist me with the restoration of the car as opposed to cutting it down.

[rpoz11]

Has this car been sold?

[mc25t190]

postive posts go much further than negative ones, unless knowingly misrepresentation, however, this site is not the place to hash it out, no one gains, private emails are more approriate. i'd be interested in the right number, where's stefano?

[Stefano]

This sounds like a Job for Rick Smith, but it would have to take priority over the non <font color="red"> * </font color>more common Yenkos at his shop. /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Belair62]

Was this car Yenko striped ? Or is this the only one that wasn't striped again ? /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[NEW]

I just feel that Chads73 needs to take his complaints and direct it to the seller directly, and not trough this board.. It is good with feedback, even both ways, good or bad. But from what some of the people here is saying, i think there must have been some misunderstanding between these two.. I suggest that they clean it up privately,
Anyway just my opinion..

[SS427]

To clarify a few questions and put an end to the negativism, I will clear up a few things as I have recieved several e-mails regarding this car. I work 60-80 hours a week and do not have time to look at cars out of curiousity. I am requested from time to time to inspect cars for people of which many pay a fee for. Chad is not new to the musclecar world but has recently stepped up his collection and I have been helping him for many months with the documentation and location of cars. However, he is totally capable of taking car of himself.

As far as Clint's car goes, I am not here to, nor will I, bash anyone's car unless they throw the first punch. I was called at 4:30 on Sunday afternoon and asked if I could drop everything and go look at this car for a possible purchase. Per Chad, if it was what it was described as and in the condition it was described in, we would be signing a deal that night. I did not personally speak with Clint prior to leaving. I was also told the car had been certified as a real COPO and that in itself had put me very much at ease. We looked at the car at about 10:40 that night to which Chad did most of the talking. I simply gave the car a once over and inspected all the items I was being paid to look at. I immediatly found several items of great concern while looking at the car. Clint handled each of the concerns as a gentleman and made few excuses. On several occasions, he even asked and was very intent on learning from what I was telling him about areas of concerns. As far as Chad and I being cordial and shaking hands in the end, we were both VERY tired and I have learned you gain nothing by beating someone up (verbally not physically). That trip was a 43 hour day without sleep and I was tired and just wanted to get home. This being on the heals of a 36 hour day only the week before doing the exact same thing.

In my conclusion, I found nothing there to prove or disprove the COPO claim. All the pertinent driveline part numbers and dates on the car were suspect but I never once accused Clint of scamming anyone nor did I feel he was attempting to do that. In my opinon, the car was an easier restoration as a rebody and we all know how we feel about that. I have been restoring cars since 1976 so it was just my opinion and that only. Chad had made his mind up about the car long before I ever gave my opinion to him as most of that was only discussed on the way home. The car maybe had potential, I just did not feel it was right for us. Clint is not new to the musclecar world and knows a lot about them, I just felt this car was over priced based on the fact of what I saw.

Enough negativism, let's move onto the next car and find some more diamonds in the rough.
Rick Nelson