1969 Baldwin Motion Conversion

[Yellow 69 z28]

Saw this ad on Camaros.net. Ad states that this is a Z/28 coverted drag car with a ZLX motor.

What the .... is a ZLX. And if so rare why not Pheonix this puppy.

Here's the link

Camaros.net ad (http://www.camaros.net/cgi-bin/cyber/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db _id=18679&exact_match=on&photo_size=full)

Rich

Lets see some pics! Hurry!

[bbdon]

Here's an old article from Hi-Performance Cars magazine that should explain. May 1969. It's not the magazine that the ad refers to though.
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[Born30YrsLate]

just an observation...ZLX heads are cast iron duplicates of the aluminum ZL1 heads...this add states the motor is an aluminum headed motor....if legit, perhaps the ZLX iron heads were replaced....that would be a bummer.....

[copolocater]

From Chevy Action 1975 HOW TO SET UP A 427 CAMARO out of M/P:Chuck H.,who runs out of Millington Pit Stop in Millington Tenn. campaigns this supertrick 69 camaro powered by a phase III ZL/X competition engine complete with open chambered aluminum heads and a pair of Dominator quads.The phase III ZL/X engine is rated at over 600 hp.This car was built for the super/stock and modified production class.This article is for the car that is for sale. Though good info in the previous post the car for sale is not that car. <font color="blue"> [This car has a certificate from M/P and copies of the original work orders plus/]

[MotownMadman]

Anybody notice that in one of the magazine photos of the Sun tach, it is a 68 steering wheel and dash instruments, thats odd! /ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif
Motown

[bbdon]

This must be it. Chevy Action January1975:
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[copolocater]

BINGO.A man that speaks with research.I like that.The only differance is if you'll notice in the article the car was being painted after testing and was painted jet black with red motion type stripes,corvette 427 / motion emblems and still sports that original paint job.Still carries all the original A&amp;A STICKERS ON ALL THE FIBERGLASS and sits as you see it in the article 737 miles

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Tim;
I have that article as well, and I confirmed the car is/was owned by a collector up North?

[AutoInsane]

I think the question mark should be removed from the subject heading.

[MotownMadman]

Anybody have a number or a way to get ahold of the owner of this car? I have a buyer waiting.
Motown /ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I agree, I don't think there is any question on this car being one of the 'delayed' conversions. I think it was originally a Radio Delete car as well? I think you can see the 4leaf springs, isn't that also an indication of a Z28?

[Stefano]

Sounds like a Bragin. Tim will you consider a "Very Nice" Yenko Camaro on trade? Check your e-mail your phone has been busy.

[copolocater]

Car has been sold 3 times but only 1 new owner.I've been asked to keep it private. Can't wait to see this car unleashed .P.S. yes Marlin and he has a copy of the car invoice/bill of sale from CURTIS PERSON CHEVROLET.Also Marlin your right it belonged to SIXTIESMUSCLE

[Chevy454]

Title fixed.

[SuperCars]

The appropriate subject heading for this car should be "1969 ZL/X 427 Phase III MOTION Camaro".

[NWYENKO]

Kevin, is there something you would like to tell us?? /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif Jim

[COPO]

Is this the same car out of Rockmart, GA?

[Born30YrsLate]

just looking for some opinions here, not trying to start a war...does the fact that this is not a BALDWIN MOTION camaro but a MOTION camaro with a later conversion, effect the value of the car? (ignoring the fact that this is a ZLX car...cause that puts an entirely different spin on things).... /ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

[sixtiesmuscle]

Sure. If it was a '69 Baldwin Motion car it would have been over 200K, maybe 250? I don't know of any for sale for that matter, but, I also have never heard of any Motion converted car with this extensive of a conversion,

[MotownMadman]

Tim, whats the old saying, ya snooze ya loose? Hell, I wasnt even Taking a cat nap! Minutes do count. Enjoyed the conversation, will take your advice about the mindset. Talk to you soon about the other long lost project. Congradulations to the new owner.
Thanks,
Motown /ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

[copolocater]

No this one was out of east GA.Matt on these SUPERCARS it usually doesn't go past the first email or phone call.It helps to have or sell unseen SUPERCARS and we have a knack for finding them. /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif This was one of my favorites. Thanks Mike Thanks bbdon for posting the article.Now Mike what do I find you to replace that? /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[SuperCars]

Naturally, the mystique and key for any Motion Car whether it is from Baldwin or others, is that it was performance modified by Motion. A car that was merely sold by Baldwin without being modified by Motion was just another ordinary car. To answer the specific question; yes, a street car sold through Baldwin and modified by Motion is more valuable than a car from another dealer and then modified by Motion.

This ZL/X MOTION Camaro is in a different arena. You can't ignore the fact that this is a ZL/X 427 Phase III 427 with Tunnel Ram and dual 1050 CFM Holley's, which is not something that your average guy off the street would order at Baldwin and drive home. A car such as this that was trailered to Motion by a Racer, for Super Stock Modified Production racing as the story tells in CARS magazine; is in a different market altogether.

Now you can probably guess the new owner.

[JoeC]

I would not call it a Phase III. More like a Phase IV /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif
Good Luck with the new car.

[copolocater]

Kevin it's got feature car written all over it does it qualify /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif ?

[Stefano]

It would have been very unlikely that such a vehicle would have been sold to the public as a new vehicle, through a new car dealership so the scenario of when the work was done wouldn't apply IMO.

Tim,
Can you add a few more phone lines and is the Red Wagon still for sale? /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

[AutoInsane]

Gee Tim I kind of feel clairvoyant about the e-mail I sent you the other day!

Congrats to seller and new owner!

[NWYENKO]

Pictures?? /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Jim

[moparts]

Man is this like an Elvis sighting? /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Copolocator is back??? /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif woooouwooouwooo or was he really ever gone??? /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Any way good to see that you are still kicking.

[hvychev]

I heard a vicious rumor that was written on the Supercar Registy bathroom wall that copolocator and MotownMadman are one and the same! /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Isn't it weird that MotownMadman joined the site I think it was literly the same day that copolocator signed off? /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Just Kidding. Glad to see you back Tim!

[MotownMadman]

I will take that as a compliment, Tim and I think a lot alike but we are not one and the same, neat rumor though!
Motown /ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

[whitetop]

Kevin
I would hope you flip those fuel pumps around so the motor is at the top. At the very least put a new seal kit in them. Holley's instruction sheets says it is absolutey verboten to install them that way. Would give me the willies to think what would happen if fuel leaked down in an electrical motor. /ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif
Dave

[Stefano]

I pondered when he first posted, many moons ago "who are you the Copo Lone Ranger?" He pops in and out to help the COPO/Super Car needy and never leaves before he steals a kiss from a fair damsel in distress.

We don't know it,but he is always there watching and waiting to help. No one has seen him without his mask as he travels in cognito. He was long ago driven underground due to his missunderstood good intentions.

He travels with a side kick named Kevin who is identified by the little Red Wagon he is always pulling behind him.

I just want to know if you kissed "SuperCars" with the same enthusiasm as you did Nancy Gibb at the Vette Fest?

We can only hope that someday he will reveal his true inentity and come out of hiding. Untill the next time.

Hi Ho Silver.

[MotownMadman]

Stefano, you are a poet and didnt know it, I am sure tim will jump into a phone booth and return when you least expect it!
Motown

[SuperCars]

Looks like Stefano is not only a poet but a comedian too.

NWYenko, hi Jim, I'll get pictures out when it is all detailed to our liking. See you in Arizona.

Hey Tim, I think it would be a good feature car. Rarely do magazine writers want to fly as far away as the NW though.

Whitetop, Dave, I'll check out those fuel pumps, don't need the Osama Bin Laden option on a Motion car.

[copolocater]

Stephano this is Alfred.Copolocater and locater junior are in the copolocatermobil on a secret copo mission.They've recieved a very important copo message from a very high source and have been asked to retrieve another copo in distress.He has sent you a private message that only you can decipher using your secret MIDDLE FINGER decoder ring that he sent you.Here it is @#$%HYW%YHHHSDRT^. Remember to activate you just extend the middle finger and look and it should start working. /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[Stefano]

Holy Decoder rings Alfred, it works!

[MotownMadman]

Somebody start passing out the Prozac before its too late! /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif
Motown /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[Belair62]

I think it may be the cause of Lysurgic Acid Dithalemide. Have to check with Timothy Leary for correct spelling.

[MotownMadman]

If I am not mistaken, I believe the middle word is Strycnine, therefore giving the proper letters of L.S.D., but I am not Timothy Leary so I cant be sure, but Strycnine is in there somewhere, or some similar Poison! /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif Motown /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif

[Belair62]

MM.....and Stefano...LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) is one of the major drugs making up the hallucinogen class. LSD was discovered in 1938 and is one of the most potent mood-changing chemicals. It is manufactured from lysergic acid, which is found in ergot, a fungus that grows on rye and other grains.Check the back yard of these guys for gardens !!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

[copolocater]

So thats what Stefano puts in your drink when you show up to take a look at his cars.When I walked by the garage into the house when I first arrived they were copos.After some water and coversation we went out to look and they had yenko stripes.My head was a little woosy but I think on the radio was a comercial for some chevrolet dealer called Douglass.I was confused so I didn't buy anything. /ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

[Belair62]

That was a close one COPOLOCATOR...when the stuff wears off the stripes disappear !

[Stefano]

Many people have told me that I need to be medicated, but it was only their professional opinions.

Bob,
The legal library at Joliet is very exhuastive. I am glad to see you spent some time there during you last visit /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[Belair62]

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[Mr70]

I enter this topic and start reading,only to slowly back away and leave. /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif

[Rat_Pack]

Hey COPO, I found this picture of the car you are thinking of in south Georgia. This car used to belong to a guy I worked with and he sold it to someone down around Augusta. This is the same car that is in the magazine article above. I knew I had a couple of pictures of it.

BTW sixtiesmuscle what happened to this car? Have you restored it?. I should have never passed on that car. Oh well maybe next time I will be a little wiser /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif..............RatPack..................... ..

[sixtiesmuscle]

I think this was covered in another post, but, Kevin S. purchased the car, and, is having the restoration finished.

Rat Pak, any more pics, love that day 2 car! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif I passed on it as well!

[SuperCars]

I'll post some pictures in a couple weeks when it is done. Mike had most of the hard work already done when I acquired it, with the exception of paint. Originally a Hugger Orange car from the factory, it was re-painted 3 additional different colors in it's life; white, blue, with black having been the last color. In the magazine articles you can see it was re-painted white with the owners name/logo etc. Motion Performance did the very extensive (3 pages of invoices) 427 ZLX 650 HP Phase III conversion, but did not re-paint it. Therefore, I chose to put it back to it's original Factory color of Hugger Orange, as the white re-paint was not included in the Motion invoices.

[JoeC]

What year did Motion do the conversion? I may have an article on that car.

[SuperCars]

Joe, the magazine articles are already posted on the first page of this thread.

[bbdon]

One is already posted, but maybe there was more than one feature on the car? By the way, after looking at this other article, since it's a Motion, maybe you could call it Passionate Persimmon instead or Hugger Orange.
This was previously posted, and it's not about this particular Camaro.
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[Rat_Pack]

Belk, here are some pictures of the car as I looked at it in 1993 when Lee owned the car. These were taken at his Dad's house in North Georgia and the car at that time had not been moved since the mid seventies. The paint scheme it has is the one that Joel told me was "the ugliest paint schemes they had ever done." That coming from a man that had some weird off the wall stuff during the eighties: Motion Iroc and Monte SS come to mind. When I looked at the car there was a seperate invoice for the paint work and I believe it was around $600............RatPack............

Troy, cool pic! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif It says 18 downloaded, but only 1 appeared? Thanks. Dave

[Belair62]

I think that number is the amount of people on this site who have looked at the picture Dave.

[Rat_Pack]

Another picture.................RatPack.........

[SuperCars]

Troy, As you can see in the magazine article (http://www.sonic.net/bbdon/free/zlx5.jpg) it was painted white with owner's names/logo, which like Joel says was pretty ugly? But it wasn't painted by Motion from what I have. The set of 3 Motion Invoices total up to one combined total on the third page with no inclusion or price for any paint work. I assume an outside shop must have done full re-paints for Motion, or the customer shopped it out himself. That must explain why you saw a separate invoice.

When owners make color changes like the White, then Blue, and then this Black with red stripes, I don't consider that as any Historical value to what Motion did. It would be like an owner changing a 69 Yenko Camaro's color to Red and you wouldn't restore it as a Red Yenko as it has no Yenko historical value (plus Incorrect).

[Rat_Pack]

Dave, Belair is correct. Here is another one...........RatPack.........................

[JChlupsa]

I like the front end paint combo with the SS and the scoop paint but that rear stripe would have been gone a long time ago. Guess thats why Chevy dropped it from their stripe options for having a rear stripe around the rear of the cars. But restoring it as a collector car I would have to keep the stripe in place. any of that make sence

[SuperCars]

This Black with red stripes was kind of neat, but just a later owner re-paint. When the resto shop stripped the paint off of the car, it was black over blue, then blue over white (http://www.sonic.net/bbdon/free/zlx5.jpg), as this white was over the original factory Hugger Orange. The different owner's color change re-paints wouldn't have any collector car significance pertaining to Motion Performance.

[JoeC]

Due to NHRA rule changes the 1969 Camaro body got popular again in the mid 70s. Motion ran a red white and blue 69 Camaro in the mid 70s.

Thanks Belair! Didn't realize that. Troy, cool pics. Kevin, cool car. Are you going to go with any stripe scheme?

[SuperCars]

Dave, thanks, but you'll have to wait for the pictures. Now get busy and finish my net.

Kevin, have you filled out your credit app. for us yet? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SuperCars]

You saying that blank check I mailed you wasn't any good? Next time put a few less zeros in it, it's only a net I'm buying, not a car.

[Rat_Pack]

<font color="blue">Troy, cool pics. Kevin, cool car. </font>

Dave, thanks. I have been going through a bunch of these old pictures and just came across those that I forgot that I had. The car is way too cool and glad sixtiesmuscle was able to obtain it before it rotted away. Now it has gone onto another collector who likes to have the biggest and baddest hot rods in the USA. Kevin, enjoy that car and paint it however you feel is correct...........RatPack..........

ps: I think I would paint it back white with "SEMI HEMI" on the sides like it was when it was taken to MP. Not many people could say that they owned a magazine car from 1974!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[SuperCars]

Thanks Troy, if it were someone famous like Grumpy Jenkins with a white car, I would've painted it white with the Grump's name for sure. But I felt this was an unknown private racer that chose to re-paint it a different color, and put his name all over the car. So, it was a toss-up between restoring it to the original factory Hugger Orange, or to the white color it was in the magazine photo. Since the key historical items to me were how the car left GM and what Motion Performance did to it, I chose to go that way; and not to how the private owners modified it afterwards.

[Kim_Howie]

Kevin that makes a lot more sense. Neat car. Kim /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif